This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MaggieJones24 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.winn/1688/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Volume 1 - John Cotton and Elizabeth Stone Family (453 pages - 684 allied families) Volume 2 - Mary Cotton and Owen Winn Family (640 pages - 1153 allied families) Volume 4 - Elizabeth Cotton and John Batsell Family (636 pages - 1037 allied families) These books are available now in PDF format with supplemental material documents. The following volumes will be available in October of this year. Volume 5 - Henry Cotton and Mary Winn Family (187 pages - 278 allied families) Volume 6 - Sarah Cotton and Thomas Halbert Family Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kentuckywinn Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.winn/1687.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Jesse Winn was the son of John Winn, Jr. and Mary Bowles. John Winn, Jr. son of John Winn and Mary Pledger. Mary Bowles was the daughter of Thomas Bowles and (mother's name unknown). Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: andreww258 Surnames: Winn, Austin, Brown, Bowles, Snead, Harris, Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.winn/1687/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I received this report from a fellow researcher and I am re posting this report WITH PERMISSION. Feel free to command about the accuracy or inaccuracy of this research. JESSE WINN was born 15 Jul 1789 in Hanover Co. Virginia, and died 11 Oct 1849 in Hanover Co. Virginia. He married ELIZA AUSTIN Sept 1811 in Hanover Co. Va, daughter of JOHN AUSTIN and MARY. She was born 02 May 1791 in Hanover Co. Virginia, and died 08 Nov 1842 in Hanover Co. Virginia. Notes for JESSE WINN: Two children died young: Mary Bowles Winn ( Source: Richmond Enquirer, March 14, 1834, p 3, c 6,) and Jane Frances Winn. Mary born October 2 1827 and died March 3 1834. Her sister Jane Frances born Sept 1 1829 and died March 1 1834. Source: bible records Chancery decree, 21 October 1835, in Hanover Circuit Superior Court, Jesse Winn, administrator of the estate of John Richardson v. Judith Richardson, widow of John Richardson, and et al. Also Thompson W. Pulliam v. Francis W. Scott, late administrator of John Richardson deceased, and et al. Also includes bonds and other papers related to the case, but which are dated later. Served with the 74th Va. Militia in 1812 Jesse is mentioned many times in "Hanover Co., Va Superior Court Records Vol 1 1809-1826 - 1815-1826, p. 51-juror, p. 58- Jesse Winn ass of John F Brown and who sues for the benefit of Lydall Bowles...Plt against Fleming Brown...Deft in debt ect....p.63-juror, p66. Jesse Winn ass of Robert Snead who was assne of William Ely Harris Exr of Moses Harris decd...Plt against John Starke, Barrett White, and George Mann...Deft in Debt. Def. failing to appear, Plaint to recover against the defendant and Turpin Kilby the bail $ 285.90 plus cost. Def. and bail in mercy etc. Judgm. of $52.27 at 6% interest from 14 Aug. 1815 plus costs. [Margin note] $10.12 Ecx issued May 3 returnable 1 July and delivered to John Stark DS. and returned satisfied. also pp. 69, 71-75, 80-1, 104, 111, 118, 121 127, 168, 175-6, 188, 191, 194, 224-5, 237 Obit for : Winn, Jesse, Capt. Place of residence at time of death: Hanover County, Virginia. Richmond Enquirer (Richmond, Va. October 16, 1849, page 1, column 7. Jesse Winn (ca. 1788-1849) and his son William R. Winn (b. 1828). Jesse Winn, father and William R. Winn, son. Both were attorneys, and Jesse Winn also served as sheriff of Hanover County. Source: Papers, 1764-1965, of the Shelton, Winn, and Oliver families of Hanover County, Virginia, Winn, Jesse Hanover County 1836/01/29 Withdrawal receipt for petition from Jesse Winn. Winn, Jesse Hanover County 1837/01/17 Receipt for a petition from Jesse Winn praying for a restoration of forfeited lands. ELIZA AUSTIN: Richmond Whig & public advertiser (Richmond, Va. : 1833 : Semiweekly) Title Died- On Nov. 8, in Hanover County, Mrs. Eliza Winn, consort of Capt. Jesse Winn. (p. 1, c. 7) Publication Friday, October 11, 1842. JESSE WINN and ELIZA AUSTIN: Marriage: Sept 1811, Hanover Co. Va Children of JESSE WINN and ELIZA AUSTIN: JOHN JOSEPH5 WINN, b. 05 Mar 1815. SARAH ANN WINN, b. 01 Sept 1817, Hanover Co. Virginia. THOMAS GUSTAVUS WINN, b. 24 Nov 1824, Hanover Co. Virginia; d. Sept 1876, Richmond , Virginia. WILLIAM ROBERT WINN, b. 04 Dec 1825, Hanover Co. Virginia; d. 11 Jul 1876, Hanover Co Virginia. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Jesse was the son of John Winn, Jr. and Mary Bowles. -----Original Message----- From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gc-gateway@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 9:59 AM To: WINN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WINN] Jesse Winn and Eliza Austin, Virginia 1789-1850 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: andreww258 Surnames: Winn, Austin, Brown, Bowles, Snead, Harris, Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.winn/1687/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I received this report from a fellow researcher and I am re posting this report WITH PERMISSION. Feel free to command about the accuracy or inaccuracy of this research. JESSE WINN was born 15 Jul 1789 in Hanover Co. Virginia, and died 11 Oct 1849 in Hanover Co. Virginia. He married ELIZA AUSTIN Sept 1811 in Hanover Co. Va, daughter of JOHN AUSTIN and MARY. She was born 02 May 1791 in Hanover Co. Virginia, and died 08 Nov 1842 in Hanover Co. Virginia. Notes for JESSE WINN: Two children died young: Mary Bowles Winn ( Source: Richmond Enquirer, March 14, 1834, p 3, c 6,) and Jane Frances Winn. Mary born October 2 1827 and died March 3 1834. Her sister Jane Frances born Sept 1 1829 and died March 1 1834. Source: bible records Chancery decree, 21 October 1835, in Hanover Circuit Superior Court, Jesse Winn, administrator of the estate of John Richardson v. Judith Richardson, widow of John Richardson, and et al. Also Thompson W. Pulliam v. Francis W. Scott, late administrator of John Richardson deceased, and et al. Also includes bonds and other papers related to the case, but which are dated later. Served with the 74th Va. Militia in 1812 Jesse is mentioned many times in "Hanover Co., Va Superior Court Records Vol 1 1809-1826 - 1815-1826, p. 51-juror, p. 58- Jesse Winn ass of John F Brown and who sues for the benefit of Lydall Bowles...Plt against Fleming Brown...Deft in debt ect....p.63-juror, p66. Jesse Winn ass of Robert Snead who was assne of William Ely Harris Exr of Moses Harris decd...Plt against John Starke, Barrett White, and George Mann...Deft in Debt. Def. failing to appear, Plaint to recover against the defendant and Turpin Kilby the bail $ 285.90 plus cost. Def. and bail in mercy etc. Judgm. of $52.27 at 6% interest from 14 Aug. 1815 plus costs. [Margin note] $10.12 Ecx issued May 3 returnable 1 July and delivered to John Stark DS. and returned satisfied. also pp. 69, 71-75, 80-1, 104, 111, 118, 121 127, 168, 175-6, 188, 191, 194, 224-5, 237 Obit for : Winn, Jesse, Capt. Place of residence at time of death: Hanover County, Virginia. Richmond Enquirer (Richmond, Va. October 16, 1849, page 1, column 7. Jesse Winn (ca. 1788-1849) and his son William R. Winn (b. 1828). Jesse Winn, father and William R. Winn, son. Both were attorneys, and Jesse Winn also served as sheriff of Hanover County. Source: Papers, 1764-1965, of the Shelton, Winn, and Oliver families of Hanover County, Virginia, Winn, Jesse Hanover County 1836/01/29 Withdrawal receipt for petition from Jesse Winn. Winn, Jesse Hanover County 1837/01/17 Receipt for a petition from Jesse Winn praying for a restoration of forfeited lands. ELIZA AUSTIN: Richmond Whig & public advertiser (Richmond, Va. : 1833 : Semiweekly) Title Died- On Nov. 8, in Hanover County, Mrs. Eliza Winn, consort of Capt. Jesse Winn. (p. 1, c. 7) Publication Friday, October 11, 1842. JESSE WINN and ELIZA AUSTIN: Marriage: Sept 1811, Hanover Co. Va Children of JESSE WINN and ELIZA AUSTIN: JOHN JOSEPH5 WINN, b. 05 Mar 1815. SARAH ANN WINN, b. 01 Sept 1817, Hanover Co. Virginia. THOMAS GUSTAVUS WINN, b. 24 Nov 1824, Hanover Co. Virginia; d. Sept 1876, Richmond , Virginia. WILLIAM ROBERT WINN, b. 04 Dec 1825, Hanover Co. Virginia; d. 11 Jul 1876, Hanover Co Virginia. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: sthang11 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.winn/92.106.108.120.248.250.252.255/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Are You Katherine Josephine Billebault. I have been trying to place where you belong in the Family Tree, Your Annie Laurie Winn was the sister to my husband 2 great grandmother, Emley Elizabeth Phillips. If you are I would like information on who you married. my email address is sthang11@aol.com Annette Ditto Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: oclarke11 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.winn/1686/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Seeking info on these lines. 1. ? b abt 1780 in Caroline Co. Need his name & the names of his parents & siblings. Also need the name of his wife & parents & siblings for her. Have the following children for Mr. Winn: Sallie b abt 1800 marr Henry D. Goodloe son of John Goodloe & Bety Haskins. Need children for Henry & Sallie. Ann b abt 1800 marr John Haskins Goodloe brother to Henry. Also need children for John & Ann. 2. Ilith b abt 1930 in King George Co marr Chastine Gillespie Trigger son of Charles Brown Trigger Sr. & Sarah Alice morgan. Need Ilith's parents & siblings & children for her & Chastine. 3. Margaret J. b abt 1915 in Amelia Co marr Walter Scott Clarke Jr. 23 Dec 1933. Need her parents & siblings & children for hr & Walter who was the son of Walter Sr. & Nora Ann her last name not known. 4. T. W. ( need his name ) b abt 1850 in Amelia marr Martha J. Need parents & siblings for them. Their dau Mary Ann b abt 1870 marr Theodore E. Clarke 28 Jan 1903. need their children. He was the son of George Rowland or George Rowlett Clarke & Elizabeth Ice or Lawson. Any help appreciated. Ollie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: oclarke11 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.winn/1685/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Seeking info on these lines. 1. ? b abt 1780 in Caroline Co. Need his name & the names of his parents & siblings. Also need the name of his wife & parents & siblings for her. Have the following children for Mr. Winn: Sallie b abt 1800 marr Henry D. Goodloe son of John Goodloe & Bety Haskins. Need children for Henry & Sallie. Ann b abt 1800 marr John Haskins Goodloe brother to Henry. Also need children for John & Ann. 2. Ilith b abt 1930 in King George Co marr Chastine Gillespie Trigger son of Charles Brown Trigger Sr. & Sarah Alice morgan. Need Ilith's parents & siblings & children for her & Chastine. 3. Margaret J. b abt 1915 in Amelia Co marr Walter Scott Clarke Jr. 23 Dec 1933. Need her parents & siblings & children for hr & Walter who was the son of Walter Sr. & Nora Ann her last name not known. 4. T. W. ( need his name ) b abt 1850 in Amelia marr Martha J. Need parents & siblings for them. Their dau Mary Ann b abt 1870 marr Theodore E. Clarke 28 Jan 1903. need their children. He was the son of George Rowland or George Rowlett Clarke & Elizabeth Ice or Lawson. Any help appreciated. Ollie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rlwynne_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.winn/1661.2.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: With respect to the records of Virginia that remained after the Revolutionary War to the American Civil War; it is also noteworthy that prior to the hostilities of the Civil War all Virginia counties were instructed to move thier county records to the Confederate Capitol of Richmond. The thinking was that the Union forces would or could not ever reach Richmond under any forseeable contigincy and that county records would be secure in Richmond. Richmond all but burned to the ground and most county records were lost. In the case of York Co. one Bolivar Sheild was responsible for the re location of the York Co. record to Richmond. Sheild realized that there was not enough time to relocate the entire Yord Co. record dating to the early 1630's to Richmond in advance of the Union attack on the Peninsula. With some foresight he buried the entire record in a ice house under various levels of materials and it is through his foresight that many original colonial York Co., Virginia records survive. I'm not sure why this subject heading is still used - the subject material has drifted far from the subject heading and it continues the error that George Winn (should be Wynne or Winne) was alive in 1634 and that he was active as a draper when he died in 1610. The only reason to include a date of 1634 is that his son Edmund is recorded with George in the London Visitations of 1634 but he is certainly deceased by that time proven by his will. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: andreww258 Surnames: Winn Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.winn/1661.2.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The following article is of interest: "Bible records can be, and have been, altered, and are not sacrosanct." http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nvjack/best_evidence_genealogy.htm In looking at some Winn bible records I see mostly modern handwriting. Especially the Winn family Bible record, 1789-1859. acc. 42064, Material 13 leaves. Same pen, same handwriting for 70 years, no crossed out letters or entrees. I find it peculiar that so many wills for this family are missing. We do know what happened to the will for the Winns in Louisa County. It was willfully destroyed because former slave Peter suit for his freedom. (Check the Court records for Louisa County) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: happymompqb Surnames: Quinn, Whitney, Edwards Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.winn/1684/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I need information on James QUINN, born in Ireland (?) app 1850 and married to Georgianna Whitney (Born 1855 d, 1892 Boston) They had 4 sons-Arthur, Albert, Edwin, and George. I do not have a marriage record for James & Georgianna, or a birth or death record for James. Georgianna is the daughter of David Whitney from Stow Maine, and she died in Boston, MA- Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: happymompqb Surnames: WINN, EDWARDS, QUINN Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.winn/1683/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for more information on Elizabeth WINN born 1820 in Temple NH. She married Supply Wheeler Edwards. The only information I find on her is in the Temple History... I need her parents names etc., Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi, I am trying to track down Honora ("Nora" or "Hanna") Winn Donnelly Williams (about 1827-after 1880), the widow of Elisha Williams. Nora and her son Terrance Williams were living in Chatham, Morris County, New Jersey in the 1880 census. Where is Nora buried? She was Catholic. Nora was my husband's great-great-grandmother. I would like to know more about her history. She is the real mystery in our genealogy. Here's how my husband's family genealogy relates to Nora. My husband's direct male line goes back to Michael Donnelly (about 1822-1850) who immigrated from Ireland to Newark, Essex County, New Jersey. I would love to know from where in Ireland he comes and who his parents were. In 1849 he and Honora ("Nora") Winn Donnelly Williams (about 1827-after 1880) (the daughter of William Winn), also from somewhere in Ireland, had a son, Thomas John Donnelly (1849-1928), who was christened at Saint John Roman Catholic Church in Newark, Essex County, New Jersey. A year after the birth of their baby, in 1850, Michael Donnelly, died of dysentery at age 28. Michael Donnelly was buried at Saint John Roman Catholic Church in Newark. His remains and the remains of other poor Irish immigrants were later moved to nearby Saint Michael and ultimately to Holy Cross Cemetery in North Arlington, Bergen County, New Jersey where they lie under a large Celtic cross that marks the spot where those buried at Old Saint John Roman Catholic Church in Newark between 1835 and 1910 were re-buried at Holy Cross in 1960. Somehow Michael's son Thomas became the foster son of farmers John and Mary Dardis from Ireland (I do not know where), in Jennings County, Indiana. After 1870 widower John Dardis and his foster son Thomas Donnelly joined the rest of the Dardis family in Madison County, New York. Thomas pursued a career as a train conductor. Two years after Michael's death, in 1852, Thomas' mother Nora married Elisha Williams at Saint John Roman Catholic Church in Newark, Essex County, New Jersey. Their children included Elizabeth, Terrance, and Honora Williams, and maybe others. Where is Nora buried? Michael and Nora's son Thomas John Donnelly married Honora ("Nora") Heffernan Donnelly (1861-1958) in 1881 in Cazenovia, Madison County, New York. She was the youngest child of Irish immigrants Thomas Heffernan (1815-1864) and Ellen Dugan Heffernan (1817-1898) from Rossmore and Holy Cross in County Tipperary in Ireland. I would appreciate any information on the Donnelly and/or Williams and/or Winn families or even suggestions as to how to pursue further information. Thanks, Sharlotte Donnelly, donnelly@one.net http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/d/o/n/Sharlotte--N-Donnelly/

In a message dated 7/10/2010 3:29:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, winn-request@rootsweb.com writes: I gather that the author of this is stephwm1, but as there is no signature I wonder who this is. Earl Ferguson Message: 1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 17:35:12 -0000 From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WINN] George Winn of London, Draper 1634 To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1278696912.475285@rootsweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: stephwm1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.winn/1661.2.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Robert, Thank you for your recollection of a bible and other records used to construct the Winn descendant chart in "Ancestors and Descendants of John Quarles Winn and his wife Mary Liscome Jarvis, Baltimore." Your response led me to review the sources cited by the authors in that volume. Forgive me if it seems a bit redundant, but I would like to comment on the descendant chart in the context of those sources. Looking at page 147 of that volume, the authors listed Richard Winn of Middlesex County as First Generation. The christening records of Christ's Church, Middlesex County, were cited to establish the names and birth dates of Richard Winn's children (including an infant son Richard born in 1701 and an infant son John born in 1705). The names provided by the christening records establish that persons with those names were christened in Middlesex County, but the records provide no information about where those individuals later lived or died. The children of Richard Win! n could have remained in Middlesex, returned to England, or moved to any number of counties surrounding Middlesex. On page 147, the authors of "Winn/Jarvis" listed John Winn (m. Mary Pledger) and Richard Winn (m. Mrs. Phoebe Pledger) of Chickahominy Swamp in Hanover County as Second Generation, sons of Richard Winn of Middlesex County. No sources were cited, and no proof or explanation was offered as to why the authors thought John Winn and Richard Winn of Hanover County were the same persons as the infant sons born to Richard Winn in Middlesex County. By current standards of genealogy it is not enough to plug in names that match, and especially if those names are common given names and those names also occur in different counties. The parents of John Winn and Richard Winn of Hanover County were not established by the authors of "Winn/Jarvis." On pages 147-148, the authors listed John Winn (Second Generation) and wife, Mary Pledger, with a family of children (Third Generation). The source for the children's names was cited as an "Opinion" by Chief Justice Marshall on the resettlement of John Winn's estate "at one time in the possession of John Farmer Winn of Richmond, but now lost." It stands to reason that information from the Marshall opinion was passed down in the Winn family, and the authors' use of that information may have been substantially accurate. It's possible that a record of the opinion may still be extant amongst Justice Marshall's papers. Page 148 includes a citation of a bible record that contributed to the authors' documentation of Generation III. The bible appears to have been a Bowles Family Bible, as it listed the births of Thomas Bowles' two daughters who intermarried with two sons of John Winn and Mary Pledger. The source was cited simply as "(Bible)." Some of this may not be of particular interest to you, Robert, but for descendants of the Group K in the Winn DNA Project it is imperative to examine the validity of the premise that Richard Winn of Middlesex County was the proven ancestor of any individuals in Group K. For Group K, the earliest proven family groupings are Minor Winn/m. Margaret Conner, Richard Winn/m. Mrs. Phebe Pledger, John Winn/m. Mary Pledger, Daniel Winn/m. Sarah, and John Winn/m. Ann Stone. The original topic of George Winn, Draper, and your responses on the topic are all interesting. I have read the entire thread and always enjoy learning about earlier EWynne/Wynn/Winn families in England and Wales. Early records and the lapses in those records pose many pitfalls for our Wynne/Wynn/Winn research. Thanks again for your comments.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: stephwm1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.winn/1661.2.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Robert, Thank you for your recollection of a bible and other records used to construct the Winn descendant chart in "Ancestors and Descendants of John Quarles Winn and his wife Mary Liscome Jarvis, Baltimore." Your response led me to review the sources cited by the authors in that volume. Forgive me if it seems a bit redundant, but I would like to comment on the descendant chart in the context of those sources. Looking at page 147 of that volume, the authors listed Richard Winn of Middlesex County as First Generation. The christening records of Christ's Church, Middlesex County, were cited to establish the names and birth dates of Richard Winn's children (including an infant son Richard born in 1701 and an infant son John born in 1705). The names provided by the christening records establish that persons with those names were christened in Middlesex County, but the records provide no information about where those individuals later lived or died. The children of Richard Win! n could have remained in Middlesex, returned to England, or moved to any number of counties surrounding Middlesex. On page 147, the authors of "Winn/Jarvis" listed John Winn (m. Mary Pledger) and Richard Winn (m. Mrs. Phoebe Pledger) of Chickahominy Swamp in Hanover County as Second Generation, sons of Richard Winn of Middlesex County. No sources were cited, and no proof or explanation was offered as to why the authors thought John Winn and Richard Winn of Hanover County were the same persons as the infant sons born to Richard Winn in Middlesex County. By current standards of genealogy it is not enough to plug in names that match, and especially if those names are common given names and those names also occur in different counties. The parents of John Winn and Richard Winn of Hanover County were not established by the authors of "Winn/Jarvis." On pages 147-148, the authors listed John Winn (Second Generation) and wife, Mary Pledger, with a family of children (Third Generation). The source for the children's names was cited as an "Opinion" by Chief Justice Marshall on the resettlement of John Winn's estate "at one time in the possession of John Farmer Winn of Richmond, but now lost." It stands to reason that information from the Marshall opinion was passed down in the Winn family, and the authors' use of that information may have been substantially accurate. It's possible that a record of the opinion may still be extant amongst Justice Marshall's papers. Page 148 includes a citation of a bible record that contributed to the authors' documentation of Generation III. The bible appears to have been a Bowles Family Bible, as it listed the births of Thomas Bowles' two daughters who intermarried with two sons of John Winn and Mary Pledger. The source was cited simply as "(Bible)." Some of this may not be of particular interest to you, Robert, but for descendants of the Group K in the Winn DNA Project it is imperative to examine the validity of the premise that Richard Winn of Middlesex County was the proven ancestor of any individuals in Group K. For Group K, the earliest proven family groupings are Minor Winn/m. Margaret Conner, Richard Winn/m. Mrs. Phebe Pledger, John Winn/m. Mary Pledger, Daniel Winn/m. Sarah, and John Winn/m. Ann Stone. The original topic of George Winn, Draper, and your responses on the topic are all interesting. I have read the entire thread and always enjoy learning about earlier EWynne/Wynn/Winn families in England and Wales. Early records and the lapses in those records pose many pitfalls for our Wynne/Wynn/Winn research. Thanks again for your comments. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rlwynne_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.winn/1661.2.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: stephwm1- I suppose it depends on whether or not you trust "Winn - Jarvis" to be accurate and I'm fairly certain it is not accurate in every detail. However, the two authors of the book were well educated and respected ordained ministers who had in thier possession (wish I knew where it all ended up) various family papers and family bibles upon which to draw thier family tree. This material does not appeared to have survived or it has been deposited in an institution and not catalogued. Since the line of Richard Winn and that of Minor Winn is almost certainly not of my line I stay in the background and rarely speak on these two lines as there are others closer to the solution than I. What prompted my initial response was regarding "George Winn of London, Draper 1634" of which almost all is incorrect. George Wynne never spelled his name Winn and he never lived in 1634. He was a Merchant Tailor and Draper to Elizabeth I until her death in 1603. Both he and his son Edmund bough! t Virginia Company stock and the son Edmund appears to have made many crossings to supply Jamestowne in exchange for which he recieved a "particular plantation" of 500 acres. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: stephwm1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.winn/1661.2.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Robert, I have read a number of your postings over the years, and I've enjoyed them as being well-investigated, well-thought and well written. It is a pleasure to communicate with persons who care enough to stay involved in Wynne/Wynn/Winn genealogy. Thanks for your response to my post, and I hope my reply will clarify my earlier remarks regarding the missing link between the Hanover County Winn families and Richard Winn of Middlesex. Group KE in the Winn DNA Project is comprised of kits of descendants of Hanover Co. VA Winn families of two men, Richard Winn (m. Phebe, widow of Pledger) and John (m. Mary Pledger). The Group KE data is currently listed on the Winn DNA Project website as KE, desc. of Richard Winn of Middlesex County. The reason for this is because the lineage info was taken off the descendant chart in the Winn/Jarvis book. If you ask around you will find that no one can independently verify and produce paper trail evidence that Richard Winn and John Winn of Hanover County were sons of Richard Winn of Middlesex County. The problem is that there are no DNA kits in the Winn DNA Project with a proven paper trail back to Richard Winn of Middlesex - those paper trails only offer proof back to Richard Winn and John Winn of Hanover County, Virginia. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Coroinn Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.winn/1661.2.1.1.1.1.1.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I hate replying on here and to this threqad but here goes. The Winn surname project is part of FTDNA. There is also a small group on ancestry. Please contact me as the admin on the projects at GramereC@aol.com. I am traveling the next few weeks but will be home then for a few weeks. The groups being discussed all have different YDNA types. It will be easier to answer specifics in e-mail. Connie Cole Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rlwynne_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.winn/1661.2.1.1.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm not sure what this subject heading is all about. If it is concerning the George Wynne who was Draper to Elizabeth I then the date is incorrect. George Wynne died in 1610 and was suceeded by his son Edmund Wynne later spelled Winne and by 1667 Winn. With respect to "Winn-Jarvis" what you mention is correct. However, the Y DNA of Minor Winn is identical to that of Richard Winn of Middlesex. So no one is saying that the Holy Grail of a paper trail for these two apparently separate lines has been conclusively established. On the other hand both lines are intimately related either here in America or over the seas confimed by Y DNA test results. Robert Wynne Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: stephwm1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.winn/1661.2.1.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In response to Larry Guinn's inquiry about the name of the company doing DNA tests for descendants of Minor Winn & Margaret Conner of VA: The company most often used by those and other members of the Winn DNA Project is Family Tree DNA. In response to earlier discussion on this feed, it is my understanding that Minor Winn is the first known generation for that line. No established paper trail exists between Minor Winn and Richard Winn of Middlesex Co. VA (or any other progenitor), as Minor Winn first appeared in Caroline Co. VA c1732 and was last recorded in Fauquier County. Richard Winn of Middlesex County had two sons named Richard and John, christened in Christ's Church of Middlesex Co. VA in 1701 and 1705, respectively. No further records of positive identification have been found for the two sons. This brings me to comment on a topic that I've studied for some time. In 1932. "Ancestors and Descendants of John Quarles Winn and his wife Mary Lipscomb Jarvis" was published as a book of genealogy for a Winn family with roots in Hanover County, Virginia. A descendant chart for Richard Winn of Middlesex County was included, and it listed Richard's two sons as John Winn and Richard Winn of Hanover County. Richard and John, bearing those common given names, were an easy match for the names of Richard Winn's sons on the Middlesex christening records. Presumably, that was the basis upon which the authors charted the two as sons of Richard Winn of Middlesex. The Winn/Jarvis descendant chart is problematic for us today because the authors posed no additional proofs that Richard Winn and John Winn in Hanover County were the same persons as the infants by those names christened in Middlesex County. Richard Winn and John Winn showed up in Hanover County in 1733, nearly thirty years ! after the Middlesex christening records. No records from the intervening years between 1705 and 1733 have been found to document a family tie between Winn groups in Middlesex and Hanover, but burned records in those two counties and surrounding counties have decimated paper trails of Wynne/Wynn/Winn families in tidewater Virginia. By current genealogy standards, further proof would be needed to show that Richard Winn and John Winn in Hanover County were the same persons as the infants bearing those names christened in Middlesex County. Only then could the parent/child determination be made. The authors of Winn/Jarvis can hardly be faulted for their work --as all genealogists know, the next generation back from the brick wall is always conjecture. The sketchy history of Winns in early Hanover County, Virginia, reveals three families. John Winn and wife, Elizabeth; Richard Winn and wife, Phebe, widow of Pledger; and John Winn and wife, Mary Pledger. In 1733, set of Hanover County deeds were transacted between John Winn (& wife Elizabeth) and Richard Winn (& wife Phebe, widow of Pledger); and both deeds were witnessed by the as-yet-unmarried pair, John Winn and Mary Pledger. The set of deeds offers tangible evidence that John Winn and wife Elizabeth were a third Winn couple living in Hanover County. Were they the rightful parents of Richard Winn (m. Phebe, widow of Pledger) and John Winn (m. Mary Pledger), or is there another explanation for their relationship? Later records of Hanover & Amelia Counties provide evidence that Richard Winn & Phebe Pledger produced several children born c1730-1740, and John Winn & Mary Pledger produced a family of children born c1738-1755. Any information that would shed light on the abo! ve family relationships is welcome. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: foundem Surnames: Winn, Quarles Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.winn/1682/mb.ashx Message Board Post: "Ancestors and descendants of John Quarles Winn and his wife Mary Liscome Jarvis" can now be viewed on Heritage Quest. You must have a library card and your library must be a subscriber to view this book on your computer in the comfort of your home. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.