We are now able to share these jpegs on the various surname message boards just by adding it as an attachment. If you still have that photo Shirley can you please consider adding it to the Winn message board? I have heard that William was in South Carolina, but find this William Winn about the same time Richard goes to Tennesee. Regards, Gaila snip > I sent you a jpeg of the picture I have of Richard Wynne. > Supposedly, according to a letter written in 1929 by a gr gr > uncle of mine, we are descended from Richard's brother William > (who was in South Carolina, contrary to what has been stated on > the Winn list recently). After much research and tramping through > the undergrowth to find an old cemetery outside of Winnsboro, SC, > I came to the conclusion that this gr gr uncle, who enjoyed his > drink occasionally, was having a pipedream. > Shirley Winn Williams > >

Hello I am trying to find out who the William Winn was in Crawford County, Georgia in the early 1820's. I have always wondered if Richard's brother went to Georgia and is the father or grandfather of my Mary Winn who married William Reese Busby? Can you share what was said by your gr-gr-uncle? Thanks Gaila ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley Williams" <winnfam@cox.net> To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 5:36 AM Subject: [WINN] RE: WINN-D Digest V03 #193 > I sent you a jpeg of the picture I have of Richard Wynne. > Supposedly, according to a letter written in 1929 by a gr gr > uncle of mine, we are descended from Richard's brother William > (who was in South Carolina, contrary to what has been stated on > the Winn list recently). After much research and tramping through > the undergrowth to find an old cemetery outside of Winnsboro, SC, > I came to the conclusion that this gr gr uncle, who enjoyed his > drink occasionally, was having a pipedream. > Shirley Winn Williams > > -----Original Message----- > From: R.Smart [mailto:rsmart@olypen.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:40 AM > To: Shirley Williams > Subject: Re: [WINN] Portrait of Richard Winn > > > what jpeg do you mean? > > >

I posted this message last year and would like to post it again: Is anyone doing research on the Winns in Clermont/Brown Co. Ohio? I have good reason to connect my William Winn Jr. to his father William Winn in Clermont Co.: My line goes back through William Winn b.17 May 1803 in KY -> his father William Winn b. 1759 Loudon Co., VA, d.1822 Clermont Co, OH. (His parents, Thomas and Mary Winn, went from Loudoun Co,VA to KY in 1784 when Thomas and his brothers George and Owen each received adjoining land in Fayette Co, KY by treasury warrants #383, 382, & 372: Fayette Co., KY, clerk's office, Old Survey Book No. A, pp. 401-403). I believe my William to be the elder William's son for the following reasons: 1. One of William Jr's sons, Richard Byrd Winn, names William Winn of KY and OH as his grandfather in a letter 21 July 1929. 2. William Sr owned land next to Aaron Osborne in Clermont Co, OH, and William Jr. married Phebe Osborne, Aaron's daughter. 3. William Sr had a sister Frankey who m. Archibald Harris. William Jr. and Phebe had as a witness at their marriage Nancy Harris, a daughter of Archibald and Frankey Harris. 4. William Sr was a gunsmith and William Jr was a gunsmith. When Richard Byrd Winn made a declaration for Civil War Invalid Pension, he stated: "Father residing 8 miles NE of Greenfield, was then engaged in farming but was by trade a gunsmith." The Greene Co, IL Historical and Genealogical Society has the following: "12 Jan 1922, Another O T Remembers: I remember when William Winn and his son George had a gun shop in a log cabin, on what has since been known as the Fred Fishback Farm and they lived in another cabin on the place. They made "hair trigger" rifles, and everybody who could afford it had a Winn rifle." 5. William Jr went to IN with Thomas Winn, Wm Sr's son who was also a gunsmith. 6. William Jr and his son George Washington Winn signed the Civil War widow pension papers of Elizabeth Howard, daughter of Wm Sr's daughter Jane Winn who m. Samford Shipman. I wish, however, that I had a land record or something to tie my William to his father, William Sr. Does anyone have any information on this Winn family? Sincerely yours, Shirley Winn Williams

Wasn't it called RockHill? I'm not quite sure. I've tried finding pictures online but haven't had any luck. Would love to see it, Cicely (whichever house it is!). I'm a decendant of Minor III, if anyone has pictures of him they could share I'd appreciate it. Caren Sullivan ----- Original Message ----- From: DEANNA AMES <tdames@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:31 pm Subject: Fw: [WINN] Portrait of Richard Winn > Cicely, > Which house are you referring? I have tried to find out if the > house in > Fauquier Co. VA is still there. I believe it was called > Greystone. It > would be nice to know if the house is still lived in today. > > Thanks. Deanna > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <vcwbjm@earthlink.net> > > To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:44 PM > > Subject: Re: [WINN] Portrait of Richard Winn > > > > > > > I just got a photo of the original house built by Minor Winn I in > > Virginia. It has an addition built by Minor Winn II. I'd love to > see a > > portrait of Richard. Are there any of his other soldier > brothers, John, > > William and Minor III? > > > > > > Cicely Wynne > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: The Thill Group Inc <ttg-inc@comcast.net> > > > Sent: Oct 29, 2003 2:19 PM > > > To: WINN-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [WINN] Portrait of Richard Winn > > > > > > Good point, before I left for the Great Race this summer I > kept having > > > dreams we would have a house fire while I was gone. We went > out and > bought > > a > > > fireproof safe largest they had at Home depot [200.00] and put > all my > > > genealogy "can't replace" items in there.... then we got a > exterior hard > > > drive that you just plug in and copied my whole C drive on my > computerso > > > not to loose anything and put it in the safe too. But my > larger items I > > > couldn't put in the safe [like my seventh ggfather's 1710 > rifle, all my > > > books] so it went in the trunk of my car that was left in the > drivewayin > > my > > > backyard that is security fenced [so if house burned maybe car > wouldn't?] > > > ..... I would hope that everyone would have a fire proof safe > to put > > things > > > in like we did [passports birth certificates etc.]. > > > Cuz B > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gaila & James Merrington" <gaila@merrington.net> > > > To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:15 PM > > > Subject: Re: [WINN] Portrait of Richard Winn > > > > > > > > > > Rootsweb also has Archives and you can save a jpeg of > Tombstones so > > easily > > > > in the archives, I did several last night for Georgia > Genweb, I have a > > > photo > > > > of Richard Winn's house, but never saw the portrait of the > photo Randy > > > > shared with us. The more places we save the information, > the more > > likely > > > > the information is too survive. When I see how those houses are > burning > > > > down in California at the moment, you just hope they scanned > in their > > > family > > > > photos and sent CDs to family and friends. Randy- thanks > again for > > > sharing. > > > > Gaila > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Cicely, Which house are you referring? I have tried to find out if the house in Fauquier Co. VA is still there. I believe it was called Greystone. It would be nice to know if the house is still lived in today. Thanks. Deanna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <vcwbjm@earthlink.net> > To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:44 PM > Subject: Re: [WINN] Portrait of Richard Winn > > > > I just got a photo of the original house built by Minor Winn I in > Virginia. It has an addition built by Minor Winn II. I'd love to see a > portrait of Richard. Are there any of his other soldier brothers, John, > William and Minor III? > > > > Cicely Wynne > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: The Thill Group Inc <ttg-inc@comcast.net> > > Sent: Oct 29, 2003 2:19 PM > > To: WINN-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [WINN] Portrait of Richard Winn > > > > Good point, before I left for the Great Race this summer I kept having > > dreams we would have a house fire while I was gone. We went out and bought > a > > fireproof safe largest they had at Home depot [200.00] and put all my > > genealogy "can't replace" items in there.... then we got a exterior hard > > drive that you just plug in and copied my whole C drive on my computer so > > not to loose anything and put it in the safe too. But my larger items I > > couldn't put in the safe [like my seventh ggfather's 1710 rifle, all my > > books] so it went in the trunk of my car that was left in the driveway in > my > > backyard that is security fenced [so if house burned maybe car wouldn't?] > > ..... I would hope that everyone would have a fire proof safe to put > things > > in like we did [passports birth certificates etc.]. > > Cuz B > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gaila & James Merrington" <gaila@merrington.net> > > To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [WINN] Portrait of Richard Winn > > > > > > > Rootsweb also has Archives and you can save a jpeg of Tombstones so > easily > > > in the archives, I did several last night for Georgia Genweb, I have a > > photo > > > of Richard Winn's house, but never saw the portrait of the photo Randy > > > shared with us. The more places we save the information, the more > likely > > > the information is too survive. When I see how those houses are burning > > > down in California at the moment, you just hope they scanned in their > > family > > > photos and sent CDs to family and friends. Randy- thanks again for > > sharing. > > > Gaila > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I went to Yahoo, then clicked on "people finder" and then entered Winn and Colorado and they came up with 1 Stephen Winn, 2 Steve Winns and a Ryan Winn. Give that a try. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Marmar3828@juno.com> To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:18 AM Subject: [WINN] Looking for Father > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Winn > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FgWBAEB/709 > > Message Board Post: > > I am looking for my Father I have never met he is living in Denver Colorado or close around. His name Is Steven Ryan WInn. I am 15 years old and have never met him. I have been looking for him for now (with the help of my mom) for 10 years. If anyone can help me please e-mail me. Thanks Sara > >

Cousins, Thanks to Shirley Winn who sent me a better picture of Richard Winn's portrait at Winnsboro, SC. This is a blow up from a scan of a small photograph her father took while visiting there. If I ever get a better one, I'll post a hi-res version there also. To download it, go to: http://www.ancestor-rescue.com/Misc/RichardWinn.htm Randy C. Smart www.ancestor-rescue.com

I sent you a jpeg of the picture I have of Richard Wynne. Supposedly, according to a letter written in 1929 by a gr gr uncle of mine, we are descended from Richard's brother William (who was in South Carolina, contrary to what has been stated on the Winn list recently). After much research and tramping through the undergrowth to find an old cemetery outside of Winnsboro, SC, I came to the conclusion that this gr gr uncle, who enjoyed his drink occasionally, was having a pipedream. Shirley Winn Williams -----Original Message----- From: R.Smart [mailto:rsmart@olypen.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:40 AM To: Shirley Williams Subject: Re: [WINN] Portrait of Richard Winn what jpeg do you mean?

Sharing-- Although this is not a Winn letter, I thought since we are sharing, some of you might enjoy this. It is a transcript of a letter that my 2nd ggf wrote to my ggf, before he married my ggm. My 2nd ggf, George L. Douglass was at Harpers Ferry and this is his account of events on Oct 19, 1859. The notations on the bottom show letter handed down to my father. I now have the letter. I shared this with some historians at Shepherd College, and it was published in a Civil War magazine called "Columbiad." The Shepherd College people told me it helped clarify several points that have been a bone of contention. An example is the men with "blackened faces". Apparently historians have argued about how many, etc. Any, enjoy-- Mary Winn Anderson 19 Oct 1859 Kearsley Carter Esq. My Dear Sir: I found two letters from you, on my arrival here last Saturday, had intended writing to you Monday, but we had scarcely finished breakfast when Sarah came running in, out of breath--stating that news had come, that about 300 armed men, with blackened faces, had taken possession of the Armory at Harpers Ferry, and a party of union had, Sunday night, visited Lewis Washingtons Farm and ____(Aslops?), and taken them, with their Negroes, prisoners, to the Ferry--Of course the town was thrown into a state of intense excitement. The volunteer company went down at 10 o=clock on the cars to Halltown at which place the track had been partially torn up,-while every few minutes squads of men, with all sorts of weapons, were seen galloping over the Turnpike. The volunteers marched across to the Potomac and crossed in boats, and going down to the lower end of the Bridge, drove the enemy from it--who had taken possession of the watch house, a small building just inside the Armory gate on t! he left had side. Another squad of the enemy were in possession of Hall=s Rifle works on the Shenandoah--Another in the arsenal opposite the Winchester Ticket Office--and another occupied a small building at the far end of the Armory. Possession of these points having been taken in the night, no true estimate could be formed of their members.--However, they were reputed to be 300. It not being supposed possible that a less number could undertake such a feat. During Monday, probably 500 armed men from Winchester, Martinsburg and Shepherdstown had assembled around Page 2 the ferry and by night troops from Fredericktown, Baltimore, and the marines from Washington (80) had arrived. The latter marching in the Armory gate opposite the watchhouse remained in that position all night. During Monday, the party of the enemy at Halls Factory, being fired upon too hotly, attempted to cross the Shenandoah, they consisted of about six, five of whom were killed in the River by persons on the ______ side, and one, a Negro man from Chambersburg, PA., taken prisoner, and brought here to jail that night. He had a Sharps rifle, and used it freely. The small party of the enemy at the building at the far end of the armory, were driven from their position, and one attempting to cross the Potomac, shot dead. The enemy in the arsenal were also driven from their position Monday, retreating to the watchhouse in the armory yard, a room about 20 feet square, filled with fire engines & hose, and it having two large doors fronting in the yard, constituted the site of ing! ress. And Monday at dark the enemy were all confined to that point. Tuesday at 7 2 am the marines were ordered to take the building. They advanced and plied their guns on the door, but finding them insufficient, a squad picked up a ladder, and making a battering ram, with two blows smashed in the door, and shot down the inmates consisting of 5 men, one of whom was a Negro, and another Brown, the leader of the enterprise.-Lewis Washington and others, who were prisoners, made a narrow escape, but were fortunately uninjured. It turned out, that the whole invading party consisted of 14 white men and five free Negroes from the free states--19 in all. Three of whom are captured unhurt, (1 Negroes & 1 white)- and two others mortally Page 3 wounded and Brown the leader badly wounded but not mortally. The two badly wounded will no doubt die, and Brown will with another white man and two Negroes, no doubt undergo the penalty of the law, even if they are not executed by the mob, of which there is some danger. About noon (Tuesday) Gov Wise arrived with a company from Richmond-About the time I arrived there with Andrew Hunter in a buggy. He and Wise and some others were occupied all the afternoon in examining the prisoners, Brown, a distinguished Bleeding Kansas man, frankly stated the object and purpose of the enterprise, and I suppose from all I can learn, that he stated the truth. He said that the scheme was all arranged two years ago in Canada, and it was intended to make Maryland and Virginia free states. In proof of which he drew from his pocket the proposed constitution, in a printed pamphlet, providing for the new government, a senate and house of representatives, and other offices. This he intended publishi! ng as soon as he established his power at the Ferry; He was elected Commander in Chief of all the forces. He had rented or bought two years ago, a farm in Maryland 3 or 4 miles from the Ferry, to facilitate his purposes. He said that he had brought to the neighborhood, arms for 2000 men and had them subject to his order for another 1000. All his party were armed with Sharps rifles, which are not made or kept at the ferry. Emissaries had for two years been all through this, and surrounding counties, preparing the Negroes for freedom; He expected as soon as he raised his standard at the Ferry, that vast numbers of the Negroes would join him, for whom he had prepared a large lot of Page 4 formidable looking lances. (They not being used to fire arms). He also expected a great number of white men (not slave holders) to join him, for whom Sharps rifles and revolvers were prepared. All of his party were killed or taken as before stated, except one, named Cook, who remained at Bolivar adjoining the Ferry, and was a Kansas man also.-About daylight on Monday, before the county was aroused, he crossed the bridge with perhaps 10 to 20 Negroes, into Maryland with two wagons, one of which came from Washington=s farm. And during Monday and Tuesday morning he kept up a fire from the mountain down on the people at the ferry, with Sharps rifles creating a diversion in favor of his friends at the Ferry. As it was supposed there were a number on the mountain.-No one joined them either white or black, and the miserable wretches met the fate they ought to have foreseen.-Thus far, Cook has escaped the parties in pursuit, but it is still thought he will be captured. The Gov offer! ed a reward of $1000 for him dead or alive. One of the prisoners a Negro man, brought to this jail Monday night. The other five, two of whom are mortally wounded, are in custody of the marines still at the armory. There is much excitement still, and much talk of executing them summarily; but it is hoped by the (discreet?) men in the community, that they may be left for the action of the law. Brown had two sons with him, one of whom was killed Monday, and the other is mortally wounded. While I was at the Ferry Tuesday, a party returned from Maryland, having come upon a camp from which a white man and a dozen Page 5 Negroes had just fled, it was 2 or 3 miles distant. They found Washington=s wagon there, and another--and a number of boxes of Sharps rifles unopened, and a large chest, which probably contained munitions of war. (They, Brown=s party) also had a large number of new pickaxes and spades, having pretended to discover copper ore in the mountain. This was to cover their real objects) The boxes were marked _____, and the words Springfield & (Iowa?) Were erased I came back after dark; after that, another party returned with more rifles____ having discovered another encampment, where they also found many papers, being the correspondence with other parties at a distance who were privy to the (inroad?). It was supposed the writers used fictitious names. One of them states that Gerritt Smith had deposited $100 to Browns credit. Ed Moore wad down there last night and heard it all read.-This morning the volunteers went down in the cars, to bring the prisoners up to jail.-But the cars ret! urned without them, and it is said the Governor thought best to retain them, from the information that was obtained last night (probably from the captured papers)-I cannot think however, that there are any other parties of this sort in the neighborhood, or likely to be soon, or they would have thrown a larger force into the Ferry at first-And it seems to me that Wise, who is not only a Fire Eater, but crack to boot-wants Page 6 to have sufficient force, to take the prisoners from the marines, to try them under Virginia laws for insurrection, which is death. In case the President demands their trial under U.S. laws. The Gov is about as crazy I think as Brown. But we will know more in a day or two. Plunder was certainly not the object of Brown=s party. They were all deluded Fanatics; and really believed, incredible as it seems, to me; that the erection of his banner at the Ferry, would cause the Negroes and white men, panting for liberty to flock to his standard; and thus, slavery would at once be ended. He said also that he expects assistance from N. And S. Carolina and Georgia. I can now scarcely realize that this strange narrative is not all a dream. The insurgents killed only five men, a marine, Poor Beckham, and that fine large yellow man who exchanged baggage named Hayward, whom all travelers knew and liked. Also a man named Burleigh of the Ferry, and Mr. Geo W. Turner, ______s brother-in-law, formerly of the U.S. Army and wounded Saml Young badly in the arm (of this place) and several of the Martinsburg men--and a marine slightly. The marine was killed when the charge on the watch house was made. Hayward was killed early Monday morning, while the enemy had the bridge. He had approached to see whether the train rom the west could get through, was retiring. They ordered him to stop supposing him a spy. As he did not obey they shot him down. He said before his death that evening that he did not think they would have shot him if they had known who he was. Turner stopped Monday morning Page 7 on his way to the ferry at Rutherford=s gate, and said would stop again on his return. He was shot dead, while in the street leading down from Bolivar about 100 yards rom the water, or engine (house?). Burleigh was shot in the same street, lower down. Mr. Beckham was shot on the platform of B&O Road. A water tank stands about 20 feet from the tavern, up that road. He stepped into the open space between the tavern and tank, against the remonstrance of his friends, saying, Aif he had 20 men he would go and take the outlaws@, when he was shot dead.-His death and that of Hayward, seem to be most regretted. They were all shot Monday except the marine. Poor Turner was brought up from the Ferry Tuesday evening in his bloody clothes, and at the request of his friends was stopped at Rutherfords, where he was properly decked and coffined and buried in the Episcopal yard. Brown=s party, were evidently fanatics of the most virulent (sort?). They were not blood thirsty, and did not show any design to shed blood unnecessarily. Hayward was shot because he did not stop, and they thought him a spy. Burleigh and Turner were shot because they had guns, and were evidently going to attack them. The marine was shot assailing the house. And Beckham was no doubt killed because Hunter=s (?) Son, and another, had just run across to the tank with arms to shoot from behind it, and he making his appearance immediately after, was probably short before it was known who he was, or what he was about. Washington, and many others that they had taken prisoners were not treated with any cruelty whatever, and were kept as hostages for their safety, in case they were whipped. They sent out word that they would kill the prisoners, if they were pressed to extremity. This was to deter their assailants. Page 8 Some of their prisoners were allowed to go to their meals, on parolee, and returned. Brown told Hunter, his object in taking Washington was that they had taken his Negroes and did not want him to fire the alarm too soon, and being a popular man, thought they could use him for their own safety, if emergency required it. Brown told all about his own motives and purposes, and said he expected no mercy, that he thought he was doing God=s service, and was prepared to die. He would make no disclosures about other confederates, than those with him. Hunter says he is one of the most interesting witnesses he as ever examined, that he is a very prepossessing man, very intelligent and clear headed on all other points. And he takes him to be a candid, truth telling man. His age about 50 years. He and that man Cook have been about the Ferry and county, and understand all the localities, but have strangely mistaken the people both white and black, allbeit, Harpers Ferry is a hard and bad ! place_______________________ many of which are bad enough to join and sympathize with him. His party had a large number of Sharps rifles, and other excellent new weapons. Mr. A. Kennedy was married on the 11th to Miss Cook of Clark Co. He and John both went down to the Ferry, Monday & Tuesday. Thomas was willing to go Monday, but he and I staid at home to take care of the household Old Aunt Polly being frightened nearly to death for fear the abolitionists would come and take her. I have told you all I know and more too, about this strange business. It effects on the country may be serious. While it will greatly exasperate the south; if it is prudently handled politically, and the men tried regularly by law it will open the eyes of the honest part of the (black) Republicans, to the dangerous consequences certain to result from giving strength to the abolition movements. For things they may say may condemn such proceedings. Yet, when they Page 9 nullify the Laws of Congress and naturally the Constitution itself, they must see that in doing so, to assail slave territory, they are preparing the way for dissolution of the Union, and general ruin. It is no matter, now the motives of such Journals, as the ____ Journal may be disguised, under the name of opportunists, or other appellations. They are giving indirect aid and comfort to the enemy whose growing power, if fast driving our Happy Country to destruction. But enough of all this. Please give the enclosed note of Brooks ____ Kendall to Dr. green or to Tom who I hope is well again. I expect to be in ____ the latter part of next week, and hope to find you all well; Sally mentions in a letter I received yesterday that the baby is well and so much improved that I would not know him. But it is late and I am tired writing and you are I suppose of reading this long narrative. So I will bid you fond night. Yours truly, Geo L. Douglass P.S. The fighting was over when I went down, but not the danger. I have not seen so many drunken men in 30 years, many of whom were armed, and quarrels and fights going on all the time to the great danger of sight seers like myself. The marines (80)could have whipped several Regiments of such crowds. I do not know that the volunteers were guilty of this disgraceful conduct, as the parties were not in uniform though armed. Sheffield Ala Sept 15th 1899 My Dear Willie I found this letter to which I referred, from your Grandfather written Octo 19th 1859. Thinking you would prize it, and that it would be of interest not only to your children but to your grandchildren I send it to you--for preservation. Your affect Father K. Carter The notation below in handwriting of Ellerbe W. Carter. Description of battle of Harpers Ferry 1859 Written by Geo L. Douglass great grandfather of Ellerbe W. Carter

Dear Mary, How wonderful to have such a document survive. I love to hear about such things being found and kept for the future generations to understand the history of our families and our country. Thanks for sharing! Cuz Becky ttg-inc@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "marywinn" <marywinn@cfl.rr.com> To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:00 AM Subject: [WINN] Sharing--Harpers Ferry Letter > Sharing-- > > Although this is not a Winn letter, I thought since we are sharing, some of you might enjoy this. It is a transcript of a letter that my 2nd ggf wrote to my ggf, before he married my ggm. My 2nd ggf, George L. Douglass was at Harpers Ferry and this is his account of events on Oct 19, 1859. The notations on the bottom show letter handed down to my father. I now have the letter. I shared this with some historians at Shepherd College, and it was published in a Civil War magazine called "Columbiad." The Shepherd College people told me it helped clarify several points that have been a bone of contention. An example is the men with "blackened faces". Apparently historians have argued about how many, etc. > > Any, enjoy-- > > Mary Winn Anderson

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FgWBAEB/709.1 Message Board Post: I have an Uncle Ralph Winn living in the Denver area. He has no knowledge of a Steven Ryan Winn. He did a few searches and looked in the phone book and doesn't see anything for someone under that name. Sorry and good luck.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Winn Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FgWBAEB/709 Message Board Post: I am looking for my Father I have never met he is living in Denver Colorado or close around. His name Is Steven Ryan WInn. I am 15 years old and have never met him. I have been looking for him for now (with the help of my mom) for 10 years. If anyone can help me please e-mail me. Thanks Sara

Rootsweb also has Archives and you can save a jpeg of Tombstones so easily in the archives, I did several last night for Georgia Genweb, I have a photo of Richard Winn's house, but never saw the portrait of the photo Randy shared with us. The more places we save the information, the more likely the information is too survive. When I see how those houses are burning down in California at the moment, you just hope they scanned in their family photos and sent CDs to family and friends. Randy- thanks again for sharing. Gaila

Dear Randy, What your saying is correct and should be known... but I think that most of us were trying [and failing] to give a solution in the situation you laid out. Which if I understand right [could be major-ly mistaken], that you could not take the photo off the wall, and lay it on a scanner, basically all that could be done was a "drive by shooting" with a camera. ... so with that thought, that is why most of us were talking about using a camera or some such equipment, that could be hand held and would not upset the place. Of course the ultimate would be to take it and get a good scan off of it.. but I didn't think that was possible..... But going away from that subject, moving on to pictures in general I totally agree with what your saying..but I was a bit surprised that you scan at 300 because I scan all of my photos at 640 dpi [you were saying ppi, but my scanner doesn't give that option] of course keeping those in a separate file then the rest because of the size... then for web work when it is needed I lower that to the 190 range for ease of loading. Cuz Becky ttg-inc@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.Smart" <rsmart@olypen.com> To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:31 PM Subject: [WINN] Computer graphics vrs. photographs > Cousins, > > I've tried just about everything and still much-prefer scanning from the > original for archival work. Let me see if I can explain. Many people, even > those working with computers, misunderstand the differences between computer > graphics, printed graphics, and photographs. > > Your computer screen can only display 72-90 pixels per inch. To print a > quality photograph, you should use graphics that are at least 300 ppi per > inch. Of course the subject matter maks a difference. > > A digital photo (obtaining a good exposure) of Richard Winns portrait is > fine if all the decendants ever want to do is look at these results on a > monitor. With a good digital camera, you'll be throwing away detail to thin > the graphic so it will transmit faster over the Internet. It will look very > good to the human eye on a monitor which is backlit. BUT (and this is a big > but to me) you can't print this graphic worth a darn. Which means much of > the detail that was in the original, is not there anymore. > > The same is true for pictures published in books. They are printed in such a > way so they look like a photograph to the human eye by using small dots > leaving large spaces in between. However, it doesn't have the same level of > detail as did the original. The pattern I saw when looking close at the > Richard Winn Portrait makes me pretty sure it was commercially printed in > this way. > > If you take a 300 dpi scan from the original graphic and optimize it with > Photoshop, you can print it as good or better than the original and you can > zoom in on details with a computer and good monitor that weren't > distinquishable with the naked eye. > > I do historical and family research and pixel-level repairs to get all I can > from my family portraits. I even keep the original high-density scans of > family portraits in a separate folder on my CDs because someday someone > better at this than I am may want to try to do a better job--or technology > may improve part of the process. > > I hope this helps dispell the misconception that might arrise as you hear > someone, who knows much more about the media than you do, say adigital photo > would be better. They are thinking it would do for computer use but be > aware, they wouldn't be better from an archival standpoint. > > Randy C. Smart > www.ancestor-rescue.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Thill Group Inc" <ttg-inc@comcast.net> > To: <> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 2:50 PM > Subject: Re: [WINN] Portrait of Richard Winn > > > > I was thinking the same thing Jack, > > or even a video camera that allows for "still's" > > Cuz B > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jack Wynn" <jwynn@mindspring.com> > > To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:52 PM > > Subject: Re: [WINN] Portrait of Richard Winn > > > > > > > Any visitor would do better taking a digital picture of the portrait. > > > > > > Jack Wynn > >

I would also. Marilyn C. robertlcapps@cox.net

cool ----- Original Message ----- From: <michael.winn@springs.com> To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [WINN] Portrait of Richard Winn > > Folks, > > I am new to the group, but, I live in South Carolina about 30 miles from > Winnsboro, named after my gggggf. I don't > have a digital camera, but, when I get one, I will get together some photos > of various portraits and post them. > > Mike Winn > > > > > "The Thill Group > Inc" To: WINN-L@rootsweb.com > <ttg-inc@comcast cc: > .net> Subject: Re: [WINN] Portrait of Richard Winn > > 10/29/2003 11:00 > AM > Please respond > to WINN-L > > > > > > > Dear Randy, > I don't live in that direction or I would help you out, maybe one of > the > cuz's will volunteer to go by and get one for you. I wanted to thank you > for > sharing the picture that you did find, with out it we would not know about > it at all. I wish more on the list would share their "finds". > Should their "finds" be a census, a letter, a bible, a picture etc... > every thing we put on this list is archived for others to find, that is how > we "find" each other. > Also I have a website that is majority Wynn's [mainly my line, but has > all spellings] and I have photo's on there also. Some are people, some are > tombstones. Del C., and Leo are great ones to share tombstones with me. I > am > getting ready to split the pictures to have my line and then have the rest > so it is easier for people to get to the people they are interested in. > Should any one have pictures they wish to share send them my way. > Again just wanted to thank you for sharing, that was sure sweet of you. > Hugs Cuz Becky > ttg-inc@comcast.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R.Smart" <rsmart@olypen.com> > To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:40 AM > Subject: Re: [WINN] Portrait of Richard Winn > > > > A digital photo would be better than what I have but not nearly the > "best" > > that I expect for archiving. > > > > As a photoshop expert, I'm volunteering to work on this portrait if I can > > get a good 300 dpi scan (can be overlapping) in full color. I can get the > > most out of it that can be gotten but need the detailed scan to make it > > worth my trouble. I would share copies with anyone interested and keep a > > copy on the web. > > > > Randy C. Smart > > > > > > > > >

Yes, I would like a copy of the portiait too please.

Nope. But I'm very picky. Why not overlapping scans? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Wynn" <jwynn@mindspring.com> To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [WINN] Computer graphics vrs. photographs > Randy; > > Great advice for most who have never scanned nor dealt with digital > photographs but I'd be willing to wager dinner that the photo in > discussion is beyond the size that would be easily scanned therefore > a good digital photo (preferably saved in "TIFF" format) would offer > the best opportunity for a reasonable archival print either enhanced > or unenhanced. Wouldn't you agree? > > Jack Wynn >

Randy; Great advice for most who have never scanned nor dealt with digital photographs but I'd be willing to wager dinner that the photo in discussion is beyond the size that would be easily scanned therefore a good digital photo (preferably saved in "TIFF" format) would offer the best opportunity for a reasonable archival print either enhanced or unenhanced. Wouldn't you agree? Jack Wynn >Cousins, > >I've tried just about everything and still much-prefer scanning from the >original for archival work. Let me see if I can explain. Many people, even >those working with computers, misunderstand the differences between computer >graphics, printed graphics, and photographs. > >Your computer screen can only display 72-90 pixels per inch. To print a >quality photograph, you should use graphics that are at least 300 ppi per >inch. Of course the subject matter maks a difference. > >A digital photo (obtaining a good exposure) of Richard Winns portrait is >fine if all the decendants ever want to do is look at these results on a >monitor. With a good digital camera, you'll be throwing away detail to thin >the graphic so it will transmit faster over the Internet. It will look very >good to the human eye on a monitor which is backlit. BUT (and this is a big >but to me) you can't print this graphic worth a darn. Which means much of >the detail that was in the original, is not there anymore. > >The same is true for pictures published in books. They are printed in such a >way so they look like a photograph to the human eye by using small dots >leaving large spaces in between. However, it doesn't have the same level of >detail as did the original. The pattern I saw when looking close at the >Richard Winn Portrait makes me pretty sure it was commercially printed in >this way. > >If you take a 300 dpi scan from the original graphic and optimize it with >Photoshop, you can print it as good or better than the original and you can >zoom in on details with a computer and good monitor that weren't >distinquishable with the naked eye. > >I do historical and family research and pixel-level repairs to get all I can >from my family portraits. I even keep the original high-density scans of >family portraits in a separate folder on my CDs because someday someone >better at this than I am may want to try to do a better job--or technology >may improve part of the process. > >I hope this helps dispell the misconception that might arrise as you hear >someone, who knows much more about the media than you do, say adigital photo >would be better. They are thinking it would do for computer use but be >aware, they wouldn't be better from an archival standpoint. > >Randy C. Smart >www.ancestor-rescue.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "The Thill Group Inc" <ttg-inc@comcast.net> >To: <> >Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 2:50 PM >Subject: Re: [WINN] Portrait of Richard Winn > > > > I was thinking the same thing Jack, > > or even a video camera that allows for "still's" > > Cuz B > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jack Wynn" <jwynn@mindspring.com> >> To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [WINN] Portrait of Richard Winn >> >> >> > Any visitor would do better taking a digital picture of the portrait. >> > >> > Jack Wynn

Would suggest you date identify the photo also to help id it. Example: maryellensmithwynnb10231845 Mary Ellen [Smith] Wynn born 10/23/1845 Becky ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.Smart" <rsmart@olypen.com> To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:16 PM Subject: [WINN] Portrait Protection > Gaila, > > You're welcome. > > You might consider scanning your most important pictures in Color (even the > black and white photos) at 300 (or greater) ppi as TIffs and save them > separately on the CD in a folder named RawScans. You'll have more of the > picuture's data that way. > > Another sugestion, if I might offer: Name your computer files with > "LastnameFirstnameDetails.filetype" always using Maiden names and details > about resolution, subject matter, etc. This will have many benefits > including sorting them logically in your computer, DVD player, etc. > > Randy C. Smart > >