Just came across this in Omitted Chapter's from Hotten's: Barbados 6 Jan 1679 Coll. Christopher Lyne's Regiment of Foot, Column Headings: Masters of Families; The names of the Men; and House Keepers and 'Ffreemen. Rich. Wynn - under the last col. Think he found his way to Va.? -------

Brian, Has it ever been proven that John Winn married Elizabeth Minor? Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Winn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:34 PM Subject: [WINN] calling Miles and all Welsh Wynn-Winn experts (again) >I have not seen any responses to my email from a month ago. I do not >recall > seeing this forum 'debate' the accuracy of the 'Wise Footsteps' book, but > I > am inclined to change my line from a less than tenuous connection to the > Welsh Winns through John Wynne to the Wise suggested line. Any thoughts . > . > . anyone? > > Below are my current chart (which I know is wrong) and my earlier email > regarding the Wise Footsteps. > > Thanks > > Brian Winn > > - - - - - > > Direct Descendants of John * Ap Maurice > > 1 John * Ap Maurice 1523 - 1559 > ... +Ellen * Lloyd - Unknown > 2 John * Wynne 1553 - 1625/26 > .......... +Sarah * Sidney Gerard 1560 - 1632 > .... 3 [2] Owen * Wynne 1586 - 1660 > ................ +[1] Grace * Williams 1611 - 1652/53 > ........... 4 [3] John * Winn 1627 - 1694 > ................. +[4] Elizabeth * Minor 1630 - 1726 > ...................... 5 [5] Richard * Winn, Sr. 1670 - 1716 > ............................. +[6] Sarah Unknown 1678 - 1707 > ............................. 6 [7] Richard * Winn, Jr. 1701 - 1748 > ................................... +[8] Phoebe * Wilkes 1705 - 1731 > .................................. 7 [9] John Joseph * Winn, Sr. 1729 - > 1781 > ........................................ +[10] Susannah * Epes Irby 1730 - > 1795 > ................................... 8 [11] John Joseph * Winn, Jr. 1759 - > 1838 > > > > From: "Brian Winn" <> > Subject: calling Miles and all Welsh Wynn-Winn experts > Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:35:04 -0800 > > > Has anyone taken a look at this? Someone was nice enough to send me this > section from the book. > > The following account from 'Wise Footsteps' is a very plausible effort to > connect the Winns to Wales. I found a couple of references to Robert Wynne > as the Uncle of the John Wynne of Gwydir. Unfortunately, I did not get any > sources for this section. Does anyone have this? It is listed as being in > the SLC Library > > Brian Winn > > > > " Evan (Jevan) said to be son of Meredydd ap Jevan, born c. 1540; had a > son: > > "Sir Robert Wynne, born c. 1570, was of Conway, Wales, who in the late > 1500's built Plas Mawr mansion in Conway which is now used to house the > Royal Cambrian Academy of Arts and is open for tours. The famous Wynn bed, > built in 1570, is housed at the Castle Hotel and can be requested when > making reservations. A son was: > > "Captain Thomas Wynne, born 1590/92, died 1625; came to Virginia, 1611, > with > his kinsman, Owen Wynne; married probably Dorothy Hines (?Vines) and > received large tracts of land in York and Warwick counties. Two sons were: > Richard Wynne; married Joan____; [and] > > "Captain John Winn, born c. 1632, Virginia; died c. 1694; patented land in > Westmoreland Co., Virginia, 1654; married Elizabeth Minor, daughter of > John > Minor and his wife, Ellinor. Two sons were: > Richard Winn; married Ann Cocke > Minor Winn; married Ann Byrd > > "Richard Winn, born 1672, most likely in Westmoreland Co., Virginia; died > 1748, Virginia; married (1st.) Sarah ____; married (2nd.) Ann Cocke. They > lived in Middlesex Co., Virginia." (citing for Richard the Winn-Jarvis > Book). Wise Footsteps from England and Ireland; Ancestral Study of Wise > and > Allied Families pages 158-60 >

I have not seen any responses to my email from a month ago. I do not recall seeing this forum 'debate' the accuracy of the 'Wise Footsteps' book, but I am inclined to change my line from a less than tenuous connection to the Welsh Winns through John Wynne to the Wise suggested line. Any thoughts . . . anyone? Below are my current chart (which I know is wrong) and my earlier email regarding the Wise Footsteps. Thanks Brian Winn - - - - - Direct Descendants of John * Ap Maurice 1 John * Ap Maurice 1523 - 1559 ... +Ellen * Lloyd - Unknown 2 John * Wynne 1553 - 1625/26 .......... +Sarah * Sidney Gerard 1560 - 1632 .... 3 [2] Owen * Wynne 1586 - 1660 ................ +[1] Grace * Williams 1611 - 1652/53 ........... 4 [3] John * Winn 1627 - 1694 ................. +[4] Elizabeth * Minor 1630 - 1726 ...................... 5 [5] Richard * Winn, Sr. 1670 - 1716 ............................. +[6] Sarah Unknown 1678 - 1707 ............................. 6 [7] Richard * Winn, Jr. 1701 - 1748 ................................... +[8] Phoebe * Wilkes 1705 - 1731 .................................. 7 [9] John Joseph * Winn, Sr. 1729 - 1781 ........................................ +[10] Susannah * Epes Irby 1730 - 1795 ................................... 8 [11] John Joseph * Winn, Jr. 1759 - 1838 From: "Brian Winn" <> Subject: calling Miles and all Welsh Wynn-Winn experts Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:35:04 -0800 Has anyone taken a look at this? Someone was nice enough to send me this section from the book. The following account from 'Wise Footsteps' is a very plausible effort to connect the Winns to Wales. I found a couple of references to Robert Wynne as the Uncle of the John Wynne of Gwydir. Unfortunately, I did not get any sources for this section. Does anyone have this? It is listed as being in the SLC Library Brian Winn " Evan (Jevan) said to be son of Meredydd ap Jevan, born c. 1540; had a son: "Sir Robert Wynne, born c. 1570, was of Conway, Wales, who in the late 1500's built Plas Mawr mansion in Conway which is now used to house the Royal Cambrian Academy of Arts and is open for tours. The famous Wynn bed, built in 1570, is housed at the Castle Hotel and can be requested when making reservations. A son was: "Captain Thomas Wynne, born 1590/92, died 1625; came to Virginia, 1611, with his kinsman, Owen Wynne; married probably Dorothy Hines (?Vines) and received large tracts of land in York and Warwick counties. Two sons were: Richard Wynne; married Joan____; [and] "Captain John Winn, born c. 1632, Virginia; died c. 1694; patented land in Westmoreland Co., Virginia, 1654; married Elizabeth Minor, daughter of John Minor and his wife, Ellinor. Two sons were: Richard Winn; married Ann Cocke Minor Winn; married Ann Byrd "Richard Winn, born 1672, most likely in Westmoreland Co., Virginia; died 1748, Virginia; married (1st.) Sarah ____; married (2nd.) Ann Cocke. They lived in Middlesex Co., Virginia." (citing for Richard the Winn-Jarvis Book). Wise Footsteps from England and Ireland; Ancestral Study of Wise and Allied Families pages 158-60

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Winn Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FgWBAEB/834.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Richard Winn appears to be in my main line. Would like more info on siblings and children.

Re hampton co--meant to say South Carolina. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Prytherch" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [WINN] Re: William J. Winn > There is a Northampton County in NC, but no Hampton Co. I checked my NC > Atlas to be sure. Northampton Co. borders the VA line, Hertford Co., > Bertie Co., Halifax Co. , and a smidgen of Warren Co.in NC. Its longest > borders are with VA, Halifax Co. and Hertford Co. in NC. > > I can't seem to find my NC Road Atlas which might show a small place like > Horsegall. It's not in my NC Gazetteer, though. > > Jo Prytherch > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Winn" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:05 AM > Subject: Re: [WINN] Re: William J. Winn > > >> According to Rootsweb, Horsegall is in Hampton Co., NC. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jo Prytherch" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [WINN] Re: William J. Winn >> >> >>> Don't know about Horsegall, but there is a town of Beaufort and a county >>> of Beaufort in NC. Beaufort the town is in Carteret Co. The county >>> seat for Beaufort the county is Washington. >>> >>> There is also a Beaufort in South Carolina. >>> >>> Jo Prytherch >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 5:25 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WINN] Re: William J. Winn >>> >>> >>>> what state is horsegall and beaufort in please ? >>>> >>> >> >> >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FgWBAEB/841 Message Board Post: Looking for information about family of Caldonia Winn, married John J. Hughes, Washington Co., AR. Buried in Welston, Lincoln Co., OK.

There is a Northampton County in NC, but no Hampton Co. I checked my NC Atlas to be sure. Northampton Co. borders the VA line, Hertford Co., Bertie Co., Halifax Co. , and a smidgen of Warren Co.in NC. Its longest borders are with VA, Halifax Co. and Hertford Co. in NC. I can't seem to find my NC Road Atlas which might show a small place like Horsegall. It's not in my NC Gazetteer, though. Jo Prytherch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Winn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [WINN] Re: William J. Winn > According to Rootsweb, Horsegall is in Hampton Co., NC. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jo Prytherch" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:25 PM > Subject: Re: [WINN] Re: William J. Winn > > >> Don't know about Horsegall, but there is a town of Beaufort and a county >> of Beaufort in NC. Beaufort the town is in Carteret Co. The county seat >> for Beaufort the county is Washington. >> >> There is also a Beaufort in South Carolina. >> >> Jo Prytherch >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 5:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [WINN] Re: William J. Winn >> >> >>> what state is horsegall and beaufort in please ? >>> >> > >

I am a Missouri Winn (now Wynne) and have numerous family photos taken in Salisbury studio. I don;t know those names, but I'll check. I'm tied up until March 1 on a project so it will be a while before I can check. > [Original Message] > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 2/12/2006 10:05:24 AM > Subject: [WINN] Missouri Winns > > I have in my family pictures a photo of 3 young people named Winn. They are > Georgia, Gertie, and Oscar. The photos were taken at a studio in Salisbury, > Missouri. > > I'm wondering if anyone can identify this family for me. I have come to > believe they may have been friends of my family rather than family, but am not > certain. > > Thanks > Janet

According to Rootsweb, Horsegall is in Hampton Co., NC. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Prytherch" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [WINN] Re: William J. Winn > Don't know about Horsegall, but there is a town of Beaufort and a county > of Beaufort in NC. Beaufort the town is in Carteret Co. The county seat > for Beaufort the county is Washington. > > There is also a Beaufort in South Carolina. > > Jo Prytherch > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: [WINN] Re: William J. Winn > > >> what state is horsegall and beaufort in please ? >> >

Don't know about Horsegall, but there is a town of Beaufort and a county of Beaufort in NC. Beaufort the town is in Carteret Co. The county seat for Beaufort the county is Washington. There is also a Beaufort in South Carolina. Jo Prytherch ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [WINN] Re: William J. Winn > what state is horsegall and beaufort in please ? >

This person (Daniel Outlaw Wynn) goes back to George Wynns b abt 1675 and Rose Bush b about 1685, who moved from VA to NC. Dennis and I both descend from these Wynns. Jo Prytherch ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Thill Group Inc" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:53 AM Subject: Re: [WINN] Dinwiddie, Surry, Sussex counties in Va. > Dear Sheri, > There is a Daniel Outlaw Wynn b. 5/3/1862 d. 2/19/1932 he was born in > Piedmont, Wayne County MO... he was married July 1888 Dodge City, Ford > County, KS to Charlotte Isibell Powell b. 5/4/1856 Dodge City, Ford Cty., > KS and died 8/9/1929 > They had the following kids.... > > Descendants of Daniel Outlaw Wynn > . John Wynn b: 1887 > . Leroy Wynn b: Apr 13, 1889 in Joplin, Jasper Cty., MO > .... +Audrey Ophelia Chevers b: Mar 27, 1892 > . Francis Carl [Corbet] Wynn b: Jan 09, 1894 in Webb City, Jasper Cty., > MO > . James Walter Wynn b: Feb 1895 in Jackson, MO > . Virgie May Wynn b: Jul 31, 1897 in Patterson, Wayne Cty., MO > . Minta Wynn b: Aug 1901 in Levesy, Jackson Cty., MO > .... +Walter Fredrick Stewart b: Sep 12, 1900 in Cordell, Washita Cty., > OK > > Sources: > Dennis Wynn, [email protected] > > 1870 US Census, Logan Twp., Wayne Cty, MO,, Pg 24, Enumeration Date 20th > July, 1870, Post Office Greenville. > 175/178 Wynn, John 28 M W House Carpenter 1200/628, TN > Pg 24 > 175/178 Wynn Susannah 29 F W Keeping House TN > Wynn Joseph 10 M W At Home MO > Wynn Daniel 8 M W MO [Daniel Outlaw Wynn] > Wynn Jane 5 F W MO [Nancy Jane Wynn] > Wynn John 3 M W MO > Wynn Araminta 3/12 F W MO. > > 1880 US Census, Logan Twp., Wayne Cty., MO, District 190, Page 3C, > Enumeration District 190, Enumeration Date 2nd June 1880 > 22/23 Wynn Jno W. W M 38 M. Farmer TN NC TN > Wynn, Josiphene W F 29 Wife M. Keeping House TN -- -- > Wynn, Outlaw W M 18 Son S. At Home MO TN TN > Wynn, Nancy J. W F 13 Daughter S. At Home MO TN TN > Page 4 Wynn, John W M 12 Son S At Home Attended School MO TN TN > Wynn, Arminta W F 10 Daughter S Attended School MO TN TN > Wynn, Armitta W F 5 Daughter S Attended School MO TN TN > Wynn, Minnie J. W F 2 Daughter S MO TN TN. > > Don't know if this helps. > Hugs Cuz B > ---- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: [WINN] Dinwiddie, Surry, Sussex counties in Va. > > >> does anyone know anything about moses winn from tn into mo? looks like he >> was the son of a john winn in wayne co mo in 1840s -50s moses married > racheal >> lucinda >> >> sheri >> >

what state is horsegall and beaufort in please ?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FgWBAEB/232.298.3.1.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Am looking for William A. Wynn b. 1868 in KY d. 1912 supposedly in CO of pneumonia. He is my grandfather. My father, James L. Wynn, b. 1904 in K.C. Kansas. William's family moved to MO before 1870. Any help would be appreciated. Patricia F. Wynn-Askay

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FgWBAEB/232.298.3.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi: I have been searching for my grandfather, William Alexander Wynn, b. 1868;d.1912. His father was Louis F. Wynn, b. 1819. Born in KY and moved to MO Louis parents were from VA. Louis married Sarah Sproul. Please e-mail me if you have any information about dates on the W A Wynn tomb stone in MO. My father was James Louis Wynn, b. 1904 and d. 1999 here in Van Nuys, CA. Thank you, Patricia F. Wynn-Askay

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Winn Wynn Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FgWBAEB/232.298.3.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi, My grandparaents are John Jefferson and Hattie Mae Sauls Wynn, and are buried at Winn cemetary at Horsegall in cemetary there. I believe Barney is a brother, or cousing, uncle or something to my grandfather. There is also very old plot listed W A winn(Wynn) (there is two W A Wynns, but hte old one is in plot behind first set of plots in cemetary. Do you have picture of Barney I could get? I'll keep you informed on othere info I have. Gerald Winn of Beaufort has alot of info back to Revolutionary War.

Janet, I have a Georgia Walsie Winn b. ca. 1877 in Sturgeon, MO, which is about 50 miles or so from Salisbury. She was a daughter of George Anthony Winn and Jeanette Davis Sims, both from Boone Co. MO. I have four siblings listed for Georgia but none are Gertie or Oscar -- so I doubt if this is the same Gerogia you're looking for, but thought I'd give you the info anyway just in case. My best, Julie Zapf ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:04 AM Subject: [WINN] Missouri Winns >I have in my family pictures a photo of 3 young people named Winn. They >are > Georgia, Gertie, and Oscar. The photos were taken at a studio in > Salisbury, > Missouri. > > I'm wondering if anyone can identify this family for me. I have come to > believe they may have been friends of my family rather than family, but > am not > certain. > > Thanks > Janet >

Wonder if they are related, like cousins? Hugs Cuz B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Zapf" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [WINN] Missouri Winns > Janet, > > I have a Georgia Walsie Winn b. ca. 1877 in Sturgeon, MO, which is about 50 > miles or so from Salisbury. She was a daughter of George Anthony Winn and > Jeanette Davis Sims, both from Boone Co. MO. I have four siblings listed > for Georgia but none are Gertie or Oscar -- so I doubt if this is the same > Gerogia you're looking for, but thought I'd give you the info anyway just in > case. > > My best, > Julie Zapf > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:04 AM > Subject: [WINN] Missouri Winns > > > >I have in my family pictures a photo of 3 young people named Winn. They > >are > > Georgia, Gertie, and Oscar. The photos were taken at a studio in > > Salisbury, > > Missouri. > > > > I'm wondering if anyone can identify this family for me. I have come to > > believe they may have been friends of my family rather than family, but > > am not > > certain. > > > > Thanks > > Janet > > > >

Dear Sheri, There is a Daniel Outlaw Wynn b. 5/3/1862 d. 2/19/1932 he was born in Piedmont, Wayne County MO... he was married July 1888 Dodge City, Ford County, KS to Charlotte Isibell Powell b. 5/4/1856 Dodge City, Ford Cty., KS and died 8/9/1929 They had the following kids.... Descendants of Daniel Outlaw Wynn . John Wynn b: 1887 . Leroy Wynn b: Apr 13, 1889 in Joplin, Jasper Cty., MO .... +Audrey Ophelia Chevers b: Mar 27, 1892 . Francis Carl [Corbet] Wynn b: Jan 09, 1894 in Webb City, Jasper Cty., MO . James Walter Wynn b: Feb 1895 in Jackson, MO . Virgie May Wynn b: Jul 31, 1897 in Patterson, Wayne Cty., MO . Minta Wynn b: Aug 1901 in Levesy, Jackson Cty., MO .... +Walter Fredrick Stewart b: Sep 12, 1900 in Cordell, Washita Cty., OK Sources: Dennis Wynn, [email protected] 1870 US Census, Logan Twp., Wayne Cty, MO,, Pg 24, Enumeration Date 20th July, 1870, Post Office Greenville. 175/178 Wynn, John 28 M W House Carpenter 1200/628, TN Pg 24 175/178 Wynn Susannah 29 F W Keeping House TN Wynn Joseph 10 M W At Home MO Wynn Daniel 8 M W MO [Daniel Outlaw Wynn] Wynn Jane 5 F W MO [Nancy Jane Wynn] Wynn John 3 M W MO Wynn Araminta 3/12 F W MO. 1880 US Census, Logan Twp., Wayne Cty., MO, District 190, Page 3C, Enumeration District 190, Enumeration Date 2nd June 1880 22/23 Wynn Jno W. W M 38 M. Farmer TN NC TN Wynn, Josiphene W F 29 Wife M. Keeping House TN -- -- Wynn, Outlaw W M 18 Son S. At Home MO TN TN Wynn, Nancy J. W F 13 Daughter S. At Home MO TN TN Page 4 Wynn, John W M 12 Son S At Home Attended School MO TN TN Wynn, Arminta W F 10 Daughter S Attended School MO TN TN Wynn, Armitta W F 5 Daughter S Attended School MO TN TN Wynn, Minnie J. W F 2 Daughter S MO TN TN. Don't know if this helps. Hugs Cuz B ---- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [WINN] Dinwiddie, Surry, Sussex counties in Va. > does anyone know anything about moses winn from tn into mo? looks like he > was the son of a john winn in wayne co mo in 1840s -50s moses married racheal > lucinda > > sheri >

Dear Earl Earl, Sure wish you were coming along... one day we will meet. As to the Great Race.. nope but my dad just sent his 32 Plymouth from the Great Race to OKC along with my brother's 40 Ford pickup by car carrier. Rusty [car carrier guy] was the same one that brought the car back from Florida after the Great Race. They will be stored for a week until my folks move up there. Glad you got to meet your wife's family that sounds like a Great reunion! Hugs Cuz B ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 3:16 PM Subject: [WINN] Re: WINN-D Digest V06 #17 > Cuz B, > > Thanks for thinking of me. I'd love to go, but my schedule doesn't work. We > went to Germany last summer for my wife's family reunion. Had dinner with 190 > Schembs, and only about 10 spoke English. It was a great trip (except for the > 13 hour return flight). No more steerage on long flights! I'm sure ya'll will > have a great time. > > I had my hopes up on the Virginia Winns for a while, but no luck yet. I have > every confidence that the connection will be found, but when. You have done a > great job of keeping the interest up. Thanks. > > Any more Great Race attempts in the works? > > Cux Earl Earl >

Dear Cuz Janet, I have a Oscar Edward Winn b. 8/22/1909 in Danville, IL who was one of I think 15 kids... one of the girls has a middle name Gertrude.. which could be a Gertie.... but I don't see a Georgia sibling.... Don't know if that is a connection or not. The family information I found in the: Cushman Genealogy and General History, by Alvah W. Burt, 1942, Press of W.M. Mitchell Printing Co.. Cuz Becky ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:04 AM Subject: [WINN] Missouri Winns > I have in my family pictures a photo of 3 young people named Winn. They are > Georgia, Gertie, and Oscar. The photos were taken at a studio in Salisbury, > Missouri. > > I'm wondering if anyone can identify this family for me. I have come to > believe they may have been friends of my family rather than family, but am not > certain. > > Thanks > Janet >