This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FgWBAEB/838.1 Message Board Post: I have information now that Peter George Winn was born 13 Apr 1833 in Monroeville, Ohio which is in Huron County. Still seeking additional information.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FgWBAEB/842.1 Message Board Post: Hi Chris, This is a very useful list of Winn/Wynne emigrants but the sources are a bit cryptic. PRO is clear but the others? Could you list what the acronyms stand for, please? Thanks. Myles

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FgWBAEB/842 Message Board Post: Some Wynn Emigrants, 1600 10 August 1635. Persons to be embarked (from London) to Virginia by the Safety, Mr. John Graunt: Christopher Wynn 20; John 21 August 1635. Persons to be transported (from London) to Virginia by the George, Mr. John Severne, after examination by the Minister of Gravesend: John Wynn 25; 12 May 1660. Robert Wynn of London, merchant aged 22, deposes that on 23 September 1657 his then master John White of London, merchant, became a creditor of Robert Hooper of London, merchant, and their bond went to Daniel Farvacks of London, merchant, as bailee. Thomas Seaman of London, gent aged 60, deposes that on 12 November 1658 Farvacks, at the request of Robert Hooper who now resides in Barbados, became his bailee in an action brought by John White. Thomas Mayhew, citizen and grocer of London aged 66, deposes that Robert Hooper, Daniel Farvacks and Richard Batson of London, merchants, signed a financial obligation to George Wilmer Esq of Stratford le Bow, Middlesex, on 30 October 1658. John Farvacks aged 26, and Daniel Farvacks aged 56, both merchants of London, depose similarly. Mr. John Lear and Mr. Gregory Mathews of Barbados, merchants, appointed attornies. (MCD 10). 8 May 1675-5 June 1675. Shippers by the Society, Mr. Benjamin Moore, bound from London for New England: Jane Bodley, George Pochin, Robert Wynn, . (PRO: E190/62/5). 30 September 1675. The following apprenticed in Bristol: David Jones to Robert Wynn, 5 years Maryland or Virginia; Thomas Palmer to Richard Roberts, 4 years Virginia; Henry Fish to Ellis Pearle, 4 years Barbados. (BR). 6 October 1675. The following apprenticed in Bristol: Bridgett Morgan to Robert Wynn, 5 years Virginia; 13 October 1675. The following apprenticed in Bristol: Alexander Richards to Robert Wynn, 4 years 18 October 1675. The following apprenticed in Bristol: 4 years Virginia by Exchange, Mr. Richard Speed; Anne Ireland to Robert Wynn, 4 years Virginia by William & Anne. (BR). 22 October 1675. The following apprenticed in Bristol: Griffin Evans to Robert Wynn, 4 years Virginia by William & Anne. (BR). 23 October 1675. The following apprenticed in Bristol: Joseph Poynt to Henry Lewis, 5 years Virginia by William & Anne; John Wynn to William Druett, 4 years Virginia by Lilly. (BR). 3-26 March 1677. Shippers by the John & Thomas, Mr. Thomas Jenner, bound from London for New England: Stoph Maberly, James Gouldham, John Wase, Spencer Pigott, Robert Wynn, (PRO: E190/72/1). 11 March 1677-9 April 1677. Shippers by the Recovery, Mr. Edward Clements, bound from London for Virginia: John Harwood, Edward Hulls, Thomas Griffith, Robert Wynn, David Conguard, Abraham Jesson, Joseph Butts, Sir John Peake. (PRO: E190/80/1). 2-9 July 1677. Shippers by the Elizabeth, Mr. Jeremiah Jackson, bound from London for New England: Francis Fox, Robert Wynn, Thomas Elkin. (PRO: E190/72/1). 15 August 1677-25 September 1677. Shippers by the Providence, Mr. Andrew Boone, bound from London for New York: Moses Rusdon, William Antleby, Anthony Poole, Edward Merryweather, Andrew Willett, Abraham Jesson, John Richardson, William Mead, Daniel Ingoll, Benjamin Hewling, William Crowch, Robert Wynn, Christopher Dynot, James Walklin, Henry Smith, Edward Man, Humphrey Nicholson, Thomas Leeds, James Hayes, John Harwood, Jeremiah Horman, Thomas Batting, Edward Thornburgh, Alexander Hosea, William Smith, Samuel Groome, John Essington. (PRO: E190/72/1). 13 January 1679. Newgate prisoners reprieved to be transported to Barbados. London: Jane Vosse alias Stephens, spinster; Jane Sadler, spinster; Elizabeth Carleton, spinster; James Powell; William Rowlandson; Sarah Demerick alias Davis, spinster; Elizabeth Staines, spinster; Dorothy Clarke alias Atkinson, spinster; Elizabeth Allen, spinster, alias wife of Edward Allen; Susan Banser alias Greene, spinster; Jane Middleton, spinster. Middlesex: Elizabeth Courtney alias Holcroft of St. Martin in the Fields, spinster; John Spittle of the same; Alice Morgan of St. Giles in the Fields, spinster; Mary Kiteley, spinster, alias wife of Edward Woodden, of Whitechapel; Beatrice Breeden of Shoreditch, spinster; Thomas Gregory of Chiswick; Anne alias Mary Wynn, wife of Thomas Wynn of Paddington; Thomas Quinton alias Humpston alias Humpton of St. Andrew Holborn; John Leake of Whitechapel; Edward Preston of Hanwell; Mary Penryn, wife of Benjamin Penryn, alias Mary White alias Fowler alias Taffe of Isleworth; Robert Peters of Islington. (PRO: C66/3205/31). 27 January 1680-11 March 1680 & 24 September 1680-8 October 1680. Shippers by the Dolphin, Mr. John Foye, bound from London for New England: Joseph Hyde, John Gould, Symon Wynn, Thomas Tryon, 10-21 October 1681. Shippers by the Genoa Merchant, Mr. John Wynn, bound from London for Virginia: John Smith, William Dingley, Charles Dyos, Thomas Falkner, James Warburton, Mathew Robinson. (PRO: E190/99/1). 9 September 1682-14 October 1682. Shippers by the Augustine, Mr. Zachary Taylor, bound from London for Virginia: Elizabeth Gibbon, John Putteford, Arthur North, William Goddard, Henry Loads, George Richards, Thomas Wynn. (PRO: E190/106/1, 132/1). TJohn Wynn, bound from London for Virginia: Charles Dyos, John Mann, William Shackerley, Francis Wheeler, Joseph Pile, William Paggen, James Harris, Edward Ellis, Arthur North, Micajah Perry, Francis Quarterman, Robert Bristow. (PRO: E190/106/1, 132/1). 4 January 1683. Shipper by the Genoa Merchant, Mr. John Wynn, bound from London for Virginia: Thomas Hogg. (PRO: E190/115/1). 20-29 August 1683. Shippers by the Assistance, Mr. James Strong, bound from London for Virginia: Richard Wynn, John Harwood, Thomas Adams. (PRO: E190/115/1). 22 September 1683-17 October 1683. Shippers by the Genoa Merchant, Mr. John Wynn, bound from London for Virginia: Thomas Curtis, Jeremiah Bradfield. (PRO: E190/115/1). 15 September 1684-1 October 1684. Shippers by the Genoa Merchant, Mr. John Wynn, bound from London for Virginia: John Crofts, Jacob Bridgwater, Benjamin Bradley, Thomas Mundin, Thomas Cudden, John Cooper, William Penn. (PRO: E190/124/1). 26 September 1684. The following apprenticed in London: John Gibbons, son of Henry G. of Mells, Somerset, mealman, deceased, to John Wynn, mariner, 6 years Virginia (LMWB14/19). 1 October 1684. The following apprenticed in London: Elizabeth Hamden of London, widow, to John Wynn, 5 years Virginia; Joshua Cross, son of Joshua C., Doctor of Laws, deceased, to Samuel Hanson, merchant, 4 years Barbados; Bridget Greenaway, daughter of William G., waterman, deceased, to Francis and Elizabeth Edwin, 7 years Virginia. (LMWB14/23). 9-23 September 1685. Shippers by the Genoa Merchant, Mr. John Wynn, bound from London for Virginia: William Fenton, John Crofts, Jacob Bridgwater, Thomas Cudden, John Cooper, Micajah Perry, William Penn. (PRO: E190/126/5). 17 August 1686. Shipper by the Thomas & Richard, Mr. Thomas Wynn, bound from London for Carolina: Samuell Burdett. (PRO: E190/139/1). 16 August 1690. Shippers by the Thomas & Rebecca, Mr. Thomas Wynn, bound from London for Carolina: Charles Fossett, Samuell Burdett. (PRO: E190/148/6). 15-20 September 1698. The following apprenticed in Liverpool to serve Henry Browne in Virginia: Charles Ellis of Macclesfield, [Cheshire], 5 years; Edward Thornicroft of Sutton, Cheshire, 5 years; John Davies of Denbighshire, grocer, 4 years; Humphrey Howell of Merioneth, 4 years; John Wynn of Denbighshire, 5 years; (LTB). 19 October 1698. The following apprenticed in Liverpool to go to Virginia by the Loyalty, Mr. Henry Browne: Ralph Kettle of Warmingham, Wynn of Ruthin, Denbighshire, 5 years; (LTB).

Thank you, I have no idea who Miles is. I've been printing everything out so I can have it to look at. I want to find pictures of my grandma as they say I look like her, I only have ones from before I was 5 years old. Thank you for all your help. Roberta --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

Roberta, First off, glad to meet ya and second forget everything you think you know about Captain George. He is not the child of John Minor and Elizabeth Minor. If you can go back and read Miles' finding for all of this. Maybe Miles will post it again for you. I have been researching this "old goat" for over 20 years and have never found anything further than he was born in Bertie Co. NC or Isle of Wight Co. NC. This is not right!. Records show that he came into Chowan Co. NC on a ship, I'll have to find the information that Jo sent (she is also researching this line). My line is also John Daniel, I'll find out from Jo if I can give her private e-mail address. She has lots of information, she's smarter than me, she keeps everything in order. By the way, I am going to research Richard's line and see if I can find anything. I do know that our line from Captain George was supposedly from Wales, but where is the 64 dollar question! Since I lost my computer and had to buy a new one, I don't have it on the hard drive, when I get the information from Miles again I am going to put it all on CD and then I know it won't get lost. So for Jo and Miles - please post the sites where Roberta and I can find all of this good information. Thanks. Marilyn

Thank you cuz Marilyn. I am 11 from George and Rose Bush Winn. My grandmother was Ollie Augusta Winn. G & Rose son John Daniel Winn is my line. You call him Capitian George, I only have him as born in 1675, an died in 1750. His mothers name was Elizabeth Eleanor Minor, her father was John Minor, mother Ellenor. I have othing on his father. If you have any info I would be ever so happy to receive anything you have to help me add more info. I'm working on this for my dad, brother and sister, plus trying to find info on my mothers line. Nice meeting you. Roberta capps family <[email protected]> wrote: Welcome Cuz Roberta, this is my line from George and Rose Bush Winns. May you have more success than I have had with Captain George. Marilyn --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars.

Myles, thanks for reminding us of the various facts here. Do you think there is any way that the Richard Winn b. 1670 (or '72) could have been the father of Minor Winn ? Or perhaps an uncle or elder brother ? The fact that this group of Winn's clearly spell their name identically, and emanate from places Minor Winn probably passed through, makes me feel like we are getting *warm.* I know this sounds ridiculous, but I have a sensation of "peace" when thinking of that Richard Winn as being my Richard's grandfather, or namesake/closely-related-kin of some sort. Lastly, do you know of anyone who is already on this Richard Winn's trail, even if it is just a scant reference on another forum ?? Many Thanks, Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myles Johnson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [WINN] calling Miles and all Welsh Wynn-Winn experts (again) > Hi Brian, > Sorry about my late response to your request for comments. I'll respond > by commenting on various parts of your message. > > You wrote: > > >I have not seen any responses to my email from a month ago. I do not recall > >seeing this forum 'debate' the accuracy of the 'Wise Footsteps' book, ... > > > Maybe I disremember but I thot I had commented on Wise's book. If not, > let me say that it is not to be taken as gospel because he does not > really know the source materials and did no research himself about these > purported Welsh connections. He relied soley on fitting together various > mis-informed accounts. I wrote to Col Wise and got a nice reply, > explaining his ources. He took on faith what others wrote. > > > but I > >am inclined to change my line from a less than tenuous connection to the > >Welsh Winns through John Wynne to the Wise suggested line. Any thoughts . . > >.. anyone? > > > Good thinking. > > > > >Below are my current chart (which I know is wrong) and my earlier email > >regarding the Wise Footsteps. > > > >Thanks > > > >Brian Winn > > > > - - - - - > > > >Direct Descendants of John * Ap Maurice > > > >1 John * Ap Maurice 1523 - 1559 > >.... +Ellen * Lloyd - Unknown > > 2 John * Wynne 1553 - 1625/26 > >........... +Sarah * Sidney Gerard 1560 - 1632 > >..... 3 [2] Owen * Wynne 1586 - 1660 > >................. +[1] Grace * Williams 1611 - 1652/53 > > > > > Error No.1. Owen & Grace Wynn had chn but none came to America or Va., > so drop everything before this. > > >............ 4 [3] John * Winn 1627 - 1694 > >.................. +[4] Elizabeth * Minor 1630 - 1726 > > > > > Error No. 2. John Winn did not, in my opinion based on research in > county records, marry Elizabeth Minor. This is a speculation I have > tried to trace back and I think the originator was a Maaud E. Wood, a > careless "genealogist" from Phila. Pa., who plainly says in one of her > reports that she is making a guess about this and about Richard being a > son of this John=Eliz. marriage. She added a couple other 'Winns' to the > family, as well. There are absolutely no records that doc. any children > for this, in my opeinon, fabricated marriage. W. Avery Miner is the > usually cited source of this fabrication and he states in his "sources" > that he got the info from WFKA's collecton of undocumented accounts > ---in other words, probably from "sources" repeating Wood's speculation. > W.W. Smith is sometime also given as a source but his correspondence > with Wood proves he got this idea from her. > > Drop John Winn and start this line with the Richard Winn below. No one, > to my knowledge, has proven an ancestry for this Richard but he is a > primary Va. Wynne/Winn ancestor. All his descendants should be focussing > on finding his ancestry. He either was an immigrant for was within two > generations of having a family in Wales or England. > > >....................... 5 [5] Richard * Winn, Sr. 1670 - 1716 > >.............................. +[6] Sarah Unknown 1678 - 1707 > >.............................. 6 [7] Richard * Winn, Jr. 1701 - 1748 > >.................................... +[8] Phoebe * Wilkes 1705 - 1731 > >................................... 7 [9] John Joseph * Winn, Sr. 1729 - > >1781 > >......................................... +[10] Susannah * Epes Irby 1730 - > >1795 > >.................................... 8 [11] John Joseph * Winn, Jr. 1759 - > >1838 > > > > > > > > > Also, someone needs to research and write a genealogy for this man. I > think the only ones now are in some articles which don't really provide > as much info or discussion as is needed. He is the ancestor of a whole > lot of Wynne/Winns. > > ______________________________

Welcome Cuz Roberta, this is my line from George and Rose Bush Winns. May you have more success than I have had with Captain George. Marilyn

Welcome Roberta, good luck in your search. Marilyn

Hello, Is there anyone that is working on Winn/e from New York. My Winn, Rebecca was born in NY (I believe in Guilderland), Albany County, Married James Chase, my 2 gr grandfather. They married about 1824 as a daughter was born about 1825. I found a son (family search.org) born 1828 and christened in NY. I believe because of the naming of James and Rebecca's children that she is the daughter of Nicholas and Alida (Vrooman) Winn. James Chase b. 1797 d 8 Oct 1869 married about 1824 Rebecca Winne b. 19 Feb 1803 d 9 Mar 1884 Elizabeth L <1825> Nicholas 14 Sept 1828 Alida Jane 19 Nov 1829 Emeline <1834> Mary <1936> James Henry 17 Jun 1840 my great grandfather All Nicholas Winne's I have found have no Rebecca and all the Rebecca Winne's I have found have not married a James Chase. Any help welcomed, Thank You in advance. Genealogy is my Hobby, I collect ancestors !

Hi Brian, Sorry about my late response to your request for comments. I'll respond by commenting on various parts of your message. You wrote: >I have not seen any responses to my email from a month ago. I do not recall >seeing this forum 'debate' the accuracy of the 'Wise Footsteps' book, ... > Maybe I disremember but I thot I had commented on Wise's book. If not, let me say that it is not to be taken as gospel because he does not really know the source materials and did no research himself about these purported Welsh connections. He relied soley on fitting together various mis-informed accounts. I wrote to Col Wise and got a nice reply, explaining his ources. He took on faith what others wrote. > but I >am inclined to change my line from a less than tenuous connection to the >Welsh Winns through John Wynne to the Wise suggested line. Any thoughts . . >.. anyone? > Good thinking. > >Below are my current chart (which I know is wrong) and my earlier email >regarding the Wise Footsteps. > >Thanks > >Brian Winn > > - - - - - > >Direct Descendants of John * Ap Maurice > >1 John * Ap Maurice 1523 - 1559 >.... +Ellen * Lloyd - Unknown > 2 John * Wynne 1553 - 1625/26 >........... +Sarah * Sidney Gerard 1560 - 1632 >..... 3 [2] Owen * Wynne 1586 - 1660 >................. +[1] Grace * Williams 1611 - 1652/53 > > Error No.1. Owen & Grace Wynn had chn but none came to America or Va., so drop everything before this. >............ 4 [3] John * Winn 1627 - 1694 >.................. +[4] Elizabeth * Minor 1630 - 1726 > > Error No. 2. John Winn did not, in my opinion based on research in county records, marry Elizabeth Minor. This is a speculation I have tried to trace back and I think the originator was a Maaud E. Wood, a careless "genealogist" from Phila. Pa., who plainly says in one of her reports that she is making a guess about this and about Richard being a son of this John=Eliz. marriage. She added a couple other 'Winns' to the family, as well. There are absolutely no records that doc. any children for this, in my opeinon, fabricated marriage. W. Avery Miner is the usually cited source of this fabrication and he states in his "sources" that he got the info from WFKA's collecton of undocumented accounts ---in other words, probably from "sources" repeating Wood's speculation. W.W. Smith is sometime also given as a source but his correspondence with Wood proves he got this idea from her. Drop John Winn and start this line with the Richard Winn below. No one, to my knowledge, has proven an ancestry for this Richard but he is a primary Va. Wynne/Winn ancestor. All his descendants should be focussing on finding his ancestry. He either was an immigrant for was within two generations of having a family in Wales or England. >....................... 5 [5] Richard * Winn, Sr. 1670 - 1716 >.............................. +[6] Sarah Unknown 1678 - 1707 >.............................. 6 [7] Richard * Winn, Jr. 1701 - 1748 >.................................... +[8] Phoebe * Wilkes 1705 - 1731 >................................... 7 [9] John Joseph * Winn, Sr. 1729 - >1781 >......................................... +[10] Susannah * Epes Irby 1730 - >1795 >.................................... 8 [11] John Joseph * Winn, Jr. 1759 - >1838 > > > > Also, someone needs to research and write a genealogy for this man. I think the only ones now are in some articles which don't really provide as much info or discussion as is needed. He is the ancestor of a whole lot of Wynne/Winns.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FgWBAEB/815.1 Message Board Post: my old email was: [email protected] and the new one is: [email protected] Katy

Hello Roberta!! Welcome to the list. Everyone here is just wonderful. I'm certain that you'll find it's the best list you've ever ben on. Cuz Becky is a fount of information & if you'd like guidance on establishing good research skills, she's the one to talk to. I was lucky enough to "find" her early on and she's been my genealogical mentor. She got ahold of me before I developed bad research habits & it's all her fault that I'm such a source nut! Thank God for Becky!! No private email is too trivial to answer & no question is too silly, so if you've got anything you're curious about, just sing out. Again, welcome to the group! Lisa > [Original Message] > From: The Thill Group Inc <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 2/21/2006 3:47:20 PM > Subject: [WINN] New Member to the list > > Dear Cuz's > Welcome Roberta Bland who goes by Bobbie, she is descended from the > following line. > > Direct Descendants of George Wynns Winn > > 1 George Wynns Winn b: 1675 in Isle of Wight Cty., VA > .. +Rose Bush b: Abt. 1690 in Isle of Wight Cty., VA > . 2 John Daniel "John Daniel Wynns" Wynns b: 1708 in Chowan Precinct, > Bertie Cty, NC > ..... +Sarah VanPelt b: 1720 in NY or NYC New York > .... 3 John Augustus "John Augustus Wynns" Wynn b: 1740 in Bertie Cty., NC > ........ +Susanna b: 1750 > ....... 4 Child Wynn > .......... 5 William Augustus Winn > .............. +Martha Delilah Ann Medlin > ............. 6 Martin Winn b: 1786 in Maury Cty, TN > ................. +Jane [Jennie] Fulton b: 1795 in Cotton Cty., VA > ................ 7 Augustus [Gus] Washington Winn b: Sep 26, 1825 in Nr. > Blountsville, Blunt Cty., AL > .................... +Martha Jane Medlin b: Apr 27, 1832 in Henderson Cty., > TN > ................... 8 John Thomas Winn b: Apr 25, 1853 in Coal Hill, MS > ....................... +Lula Belle Fields b: Mar 15, 1863 in Van Buren, > Crawford Cty., AR > ...................... 9 Ollie Augusta Winn b: 1883 > > Hugs Cuz B > [email protected] > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/ > "Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might > as well dance !"

where was john joseph winn located ?

Roberta, nice to have you with us. Regards, Mary Winn Anderson ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Thill Group Inc" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 4:40 PM Subject: [WINN] New Member to the list > Dear Cuz's >

Dear Cuz's Welcome Roberta Bland who goes by Bobbie, she is descended from the following line. Direct Descendants of George Wynns Winn 1 George Wynns Winn b: 1675 in Isle of Wight Cty., VA .. +Rose Bush b: Abt. 1690 in Isle of Wight Cty., VA . 2 John Daniel "John Daniel Wynns" Wynns b: 1708 in Chowan Precinct, Bertie Cty, NC ..... +Sarah VanPelt b: 1720 in NY or NYC New York .... 3 John Augustus "John Augustus Wynns" Wynn b: 1740 in Bertie Cty., NC ........ +Susanna b: 1750 ....... 4 Child Wynn .......... 5 William Augustus Winn .............. +Martha Delilah Ann Medlin ............. 6 Martin Winn b: 1786 in Maury Cty, TN ................. +Jane [Jennie] Fulton b: 1795 in Cotton Cty., VA ................ 7 Augustus [Gus] Washington Winn b: Sep 26, 1825 in Nr. Blountsville, Blunt Cty., AL .................... +Martha Jane Medlin b: Apr 27, 1832 in Henderson Cty., TN ................... 8 John Thomas Winn b: Apr 25, 1853 in Coal Hill, MS ....................... +Lula Belle Fields b: Mar 15, 1863 in Van Buren, Crawford Cty., AR ...................... 9 Ollie Augusta Winn b: 1883 Hugs Cuz B [email protected] http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/ "Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might as well dance !"

Thank you. I'm Roberta Carolyn Marlow Bland: born Sept. 1st. 1944. My father is Robert Henry Marlow: b. Nov. 19th, 1924. My mother is Gertrude May Louisa Forsey Marlow: b. April 22nd, 1924. My fathers father is Henry Clark Marlow: b. Feb. 20th, 1875; d. Feb.1st, 1951, he married Ollie Augusta Winn: b. April 5th, 1883; d. May 2nd, 1951. Mary Winn <[email protected]> wrote: Roberta, nice to have you with us. Regards, Mary Winn Anderson ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Thill Group Inc" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 4:40 PM Subject: [WINN] New Member to the list > Dear Cuz's > --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars.

Could the Elisabeth Winn here b. 1703 by my missing Elizabeth? The dates don't match exactly, but they're close. My Elizabeth, b. abt 1717, m1 ___ Richards, m2 abt 1739 Thomas Fortson. Locations most often mentioned were Caroline and Spotsylvania Cos, VA. I have no documentation of this pair except that they were the parents of Thomas Fortson, Jr, b. 5/1/1742 in Caroline Co. which would have made her 39. Not much to go on, but I've been looking for this Winn connection for a long time. Anybody have any thoughts or info on this Elizabeth. Earl Ferguson In a message dated 2/20/2006 3:00:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: X-Message: #4 Date: 20 Feb 2006 08:58:50 -0700 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Winn family of Virginia Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Winn Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FgWBAEB/834.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Ed- By chance I had this paper on my desk. Please e-mail me privatly if you are looking for other information. Here is a quick run down on the Winn Branch of Virginia, Hanover Co ----------- Christ Church Parish, Virginia Births, 1653-1812 Mary Winn Richard Winn Sarah Winn 16 Dec 1696/7 Sarah Winn Richard Winn Sarah Winn 17 Jan 1698/9 John Winn son Richard Winn Sarah Winn 1704 Elizabeth Winn Daughter Richard Winn Sarah Winn 18 Apr 1703 Jane daughter Richard Winn Sarah Winn 15 Feb 1707 Thomas son Richard Winn Anne Winn 05 Mar 1716 08 Apr 1716 ---------------- Richard Winn lived in Middlesex co. Married 1, Sarah --- 2. Anne Cocke. Issue by Sarah: Mary, died young Sarah untr Richard babt Sept 28 1701 Elisabeth b April 18 1703 untraced John Sr. babt Jan 20 1705 died about 1789. Lived in Hanover Co had land in Goochland. Mary b. Febr 15 170? untr Jane, unrf (see Christ Parrish records) ----------- Richard Winn married (above) Phoebe, widow Pledger....desc untraced. His brother John married Mary..... they had Hezeciah John Jr. b. Dec 23, 1751 Thomas b. Dec 27, 1753 (Winnville familt bible) Peter Ann who married Nataniel Holman daughter who married John Glazebrook daughter who married Robert Snead daughter who married Robert Elliott Source: Ancell papers in "Historical Society of Virginia" in Richmond

No. Read this, in my opinion and some others, definitive piece from family research Myles Johnson. I wish were related to Welsh royalty but... WYNNE MYTHTAKES & WYNN WINNERS I. Wynne Mythtakes: Some errors commonly found in genealogies. a. That Peter, Thomas, Edmund, and Owen Wynne/Winne came to Va. among the earliest settlers. Each of the above does appear in the Records of the Virginia Company but Captain Peter Winne and a Hugh Winne are the only ones known to have arrived in Va. before 1620. Peter Winne, who had unknowingly been named as Deputy Governor, arrived in September 1608 after a long delay caused by a shipwreck. He died in the Spring of 1609, with no known issue. His family in England has not been established. This Hugh Winne is listed in the group arriving with Peter Winne; he is dsescribed as a tradesman, but nothing more is known of him. Thomas, Edmund, and Owen all appear only on the roll of "adventurers" (ie, investors). [Capt. John Smith, Travels ... in Virginia, v.I; A.Brown, Genesis of the U.S., p.1055] Thomas Wynne appears as "Captaine Thomas Winne" on a List of Adventurerers to Va., in 1620 having paid £25, but this means only that he was an investor, as were hundreds of other men. The identity of this Thomas Wynne is not known with certainty but his title of Captain suggests that he was the Sir Thomas Winne who was killed in the seige of Breda in 1625. [Kingsbury, Records of the Va. Company v.III.] Edmund Winne, also appearing as an adventurer, is the only Wynne recorded as having received a patent for land [Kingsbury,v.I:632] but while he was still in England; there is no record of him living in Va.. Brown identitfies him as a "merchant-tailor" and the son of a George Wynne [Brown, Genesis - p.1055]. His patent was in the Southampton Hundred (Charles City Co. area). George Wynne was servant & Draper to Queen Elizabeth I and Edmund was involved in several of the overseas trading ventures of the time. [Robert Wynne, "A London Wynne and The Virginia Company", Wynne News No.7 (March 1999).] Owen Winne, or "Captaine Owen Winne", is also in the Va. Company List of Adventurers, but again there is no record of his coming to Va., despite the fact that many books say so. It is possible that he was Owen Wynn, the son of Sir John Wynn of Gwydir, since Owen was in London about 1620 and could have invested in the new Va. project, but he is more likely associated with one of the various other Wynn/Wynne families of the time. His title of Captain also suggests he was not Sir John's son, as that Owen had no such title. [Kingsbury, v.III]. b. That Sir Owen Wynne (or Gwynn), son of Sir John Wynn, came to Va. and left issue in Virginia. This is the most frequently published error. There is no record of this Owen Wynne(or Gwynn) in Virginia. Sir John's son, Owen, spent his life managing the Gwydir properties for his father, then for his older brother, Sir Richard, who preferred life in London, and finally on his own after he became the 4th Baronet of Gwydir in 1649. He had only two children: a daughter who died early and a son, Richard Wynne, who succeeded him as the 5th Bart. There are several recent historical accounts of Owen and of the family of Gwydir, esp. J. G. Jones, The Wynn Family of Gwydir (1995)]. Several standard published accounts say Owen came to Va., had issue, and returned to Wales on becoming the 4th Baronet. His issue are sometimes given as Hugh Gwynn, the settler of Gwynn's Island, and sometime as John Winn, found later in Westmoreland Co. See the accounts on these below. One frequently cited "source" is F. Virkus, Compendium of American Genealogies, which is composed of individually submitted, unverified, amateur genealogies. As might be expected, of any undocumented compilation, it is a mixture of fact and fantasy. c. That a Winn/Wynne family of Va. descends from Sir John Wynn of Gwydir. Sir John Wynn (d.1626, aet 73) is famous as the author of The History of the Gwydir Family and one of the most prominent Welshmen of his day. Although he had twelve children - ten of whom were sons - his line ended with a grandson, Sir John Wynn (d.1719) who had no issue. No child or grandchild of this family ever emigrated to Va. Due to the prominence of Sir John Wynn, the common assumption was that any "Wynn/Wynne" had to be connected to him. In fact, there were a plethora of Wynn lines in Wales and England (usually 'Wynne' in England) by the early 1600's. Somewhat allied to this are the versions that link one or another Wynne/Winn in Virginia to the family of Robert Wynne of Conway. Robert Wynne was an uncle to Sir John Wynn and thus also of the famous Gwydir line. He had two sons, John & Thomas, both of whose families have been traced, though not definitively. John's only (?) son died young and John left his estate and the famous Plas Mawr mansion to Thomas' son, Robert Wynne II. Robert II had two sons, also, but no indication has ever been found that any of these generations came to Virginia. [For both Sir John & Robert of Conway, See Griffith, Pedigrees ] d. That a John Winn and Elizabeth Minor founded a Winn line in Virginia. One of the most frequently seen references is to a John Winn of Westmoreland Co., Va. who allegedly married an Elizabeth Minor and had various different sets of sons, depending on the writer's imagination. No such marriage is recorded. Elizabeth Minor was far too young and socially elevated to have been John Winn's wife. John Minor's will of 1699 does menion a daughter Elizabeth as his youngest daughter and clearly not yet married as she is given land in her own name. No evidence of any kind has been found to identify the English/Welsh family of John Winn, and, in fact, only a few documentary reference to him have been found at all. They begin with his appearance as a headright for a patent claim by Robert Vaulx in 1657 in Westmoreland. None of the few references to a man of this name testify to a family, marriage, children, or land ownership. This marriage was, in my view, created to provide a family of origin for those Winn lines where "Minor" was used. W. Avery Miner's book The Desc. of John Minor (1983) is frequently cited as a source for this Winn-Minor marriage but its origin is much older. W.A. Miner, in his source listing, clearly acknowledges that this information came from others with no documentation and refers the reader to Dennis R. Wynn, erstwhile head of The Wynne Family & Kinsman Assn. In fact, this alleged marriage probably originated with one Mame E. Wood (Phila.,Pa.). In Ms. Wood's correspondence with Dr. W.W. Smith in 1934-35 she describes her speculations about these early Wynne/Winns and it is clear she is not drawing her ideas from any earlier researcher. It was this Ms. Wood who proposed the idea (she admits it is unproven) of four sons ---- Thomas, John , Richard, & Obed --- were the sons of, first, an immigrant Thomas Wynne, then later, of John Winn of Westmoreland whom she believed married a "Miss Minor" to account for another son, Minor Winn. This speculation was taken in by Dr. Smith and passed on! to many of his correspondents. It is noteworthy that this John Winn=Eliz. Minor family does not appear in any publication before 1935. Another frequently encountered mythtake began as an attempt to account for the change in surname spelling from 'Wynn/Wynne' to 'Winn'. The usual version is thatat somepoint there was an argument or family dispute that ended with one line changing to "Winn'. There is no documentary basis for this story at all. One early writer (J.L.M. Curry, 1899) begins his account of the "Wynne or Winn" family of Va. with Minor Winn and suggests he was the immigrant founder of that line. This possibility probably should be explored further. II. What We DO Know About Winn/Wynnes in Virginia. a. Why the surname appears in various spellings. In the 1500's and into the 1600's, the Welsh culture increasingly came to reflect that of England, in part because of repressive anti-Welsh laws and in part because ambitious Welshmen began to adopt English ways to gain favor at Court. The traditional naming practice, based on identifying one's father [e.g, John ap Evan], was gradually shifting to the use of a family surname. "Wynne" seems to have appeared as early as the 1300's in England but, in that case, is probably not connected to the later Welsh "Wynn" at all. "Wynn", or Gwynn, became used as a surname by several Welsh families in the 1500's. One Welsh surname authority [Morgan & Morgan, Welsh Surnames] explains the variation from 'Gwynn' to 'Wynn' as a softening in Welsh usage. Collateral lines, even members of the same line, are found using either spelling. Robert Wynn (d.1598) of Conway is recorded as signing his name as Gwynn, Wynn, and Wynne all at various, successive points in his career. Because Welsh pronounces each letter, the "Wynne" form is not used in a Welsh-speaking context. It represents an anglicization of the surname used by those either living in England or wishing to identify themselves as allied with English customs. "Winn" does not normally appear in Wales because the "y" is a particular vowel in Welsh, with a unique pronunciation; the "i" is a different sound in Welsh. "Winn" does appear later in South Wales and is still more common there. But the subtle difference of the Welsh "y" would be lost in Virginia, and 'Winn' became the most common, phonetic way to spell the surname in America. Only a few lines chose to retain the "Wynne" or "Gwynn" forms. b. Wynn Winners: The Wynn/Wynne immigrants to 17th cent. Virginia known to have left descendants? The following list includes only those Wynne/Winns soming to Virginia. Others are well known settlers in Pennsylvania, Maryland, and the Carolinas. No links have been found among the lines in these different colonies. Robert Wynne, usually called Col. Robert Wynne, was born ca.1622, Canterbury, Eng. His ancestry has been traced back several generations in Canterbury. He was in Va. by 1658 when first named to the House of Burgesses from Charles City Co., which at that time included land on the south side of the James River (later, Prince George Co.). Col. Robert Wynne married Mary Frances (Sloman) Poythress, a widow, and had four children whose descendants spread south and west in Va. Robert Wynne's descemdamts form one of the largest, if not the largest, group of Wynne descendants. [See Ogburn, As I Was Told ... ,1958]. Hugh Gwynn arrived in Va. in 1621, settling in Charles River (later, York) Co. but by 1642 patented 1700 acres in Gloucester Co. His immediate issue are believed to include two sons, Hugh Gwynn and Rev. John Gwynn. There are several Gwynn lines that claim descent from this Gloucester/Mathews Co. family. His Gloucester co. land was what became known as "Gwynn's Island, and for some time as Governor's Island because Gov. Dunmore, who made the island a Loyalist bastion to fight American militia in 1775-76. No full account of this interesting family is known to me. There is a short article in Wm & Mary Quarterly, v.18:60.]. It is possible that he was the same Hugh recorded by Capt. Smith but more likely not; there would have been many 'Hugh Wynns' around at that time. Although widely published genealogies rarely get corrected, an exception is the one by Stella P. Hardy in Colonial Families of the Southern States of America,("Gwynn Family" pp.248-251), which was reviewed critically in the Va. Magazine of History & Biog., v.19, p.442. Anyone interested in this line should read that article. Richard Winn appears with a documented family in Middlesex Co. Christ Church records in the late 1600's. He married (1) Sara (----) and had 7 chn. between 1698-1712 ; m.(2) Ann Cocke and had a son, Thomas. Though appearing late in the century, he is believed to descend from some earlier immigrant Wynne. This line has been traced and has a number of descendants today. [See, D.W. Winn, Ancestors & Desc. of John Quarles Winn (1932); Dean Winn, Notes on the Winn Family of VA, SC, & GA (1935)]. Thomas Wynne, son of a Thomas Wynne from a Welsh Montgomeryshire family, is documented as having "gone to Virginia and had issue" by the College of Arms in a pedigree of this family. [Privately held pedigree. Copy provided to writer.] Thomas was possibly born in Istanbul where his father lived briefly as a "Turkey merchant". He would have arrived in Va. about 1635-45. This family is the one cited in The Wynne Diaries by Anne Fremantle, although she erroneously links the family to Sir John Wynn of Gwydir. A pedigree chart in Fremantle, exactly as in the College of Arms pedigree, says Thomas Wynne came to Va. and had issue. So far no record has been found to document his life or family in Virginia. Some elect to cite him as the father of John Winn (Westmoreland Co.), Richard Winn/Wynne (Middlesex Co.), or others lacking an immigrant ancestor. Recent evidence links this Wynne family to a Hill family that may have come to Virginia by 1620. Thomas' grandfather, Richard Wynne, moved before 1600 to Shrewsbury, and the Hill family were long residents of Salop (Shropshire) at the Court of Hills [Hiser website, 2002]. The heraldic Visitation of London (1664) records a marriage of one of Richard Wynne's daughters to John Hill, a London merchant from the Shropshire Hill family. An Edward Hill, believed to be related to John Hill, died in Elizabeth City Co., Va. in 1624 and is possibly the grandfather of the Capt. Thomas Hill (m. Mary Piersey, 1633) whose great-granddaughter, Lucy Hill Toplis, married John Wynne of York Co. about 1737. These links suggest that John Wynne (d.1772) could be a grandson of the Thomas Wynne who arrived about 1635-45. This Thomas Wynne, or possibly a son, would thus be the one who married a "Dorothea Vines or Hines" in York county. Research to verify or disprove these connections is being pursue! d. George Wynne, born about 1675, possibly in Isle of Wight Co., Va. married Rose Bush and had 7 children. He moved early to Bertie Co., N.C., where all his children were born. George is often cited as having been born in Va. but no parents have so far been identified. He might also have arrived as a child but, in any case, clearly left descendants. [J.B.Boddie, Historical Southern Families vol. II.] Other Wynne/Winns appear in 17th century records but have not yet been linked to any descendant family. Information extending, or correcting, this record would be appreciated by the writer. (c) Myles Johnson Washington, DC [email protected] Sources Alexander Brown, Genesis of the United States (Russell & Russell, NYC - 1890) 2 vol. J.L.M. Curry, "The Wynne or Winn Family", pp. 906-908 in Genealogies of Virginia Families (1899). Also in Va. Mag. of History & Biography, v.6, p.203. Ann Fremantle, The Wynne Diaries (Oxford Press 1935) 3. vols. J.E. Griffith, Pedigrees of Angelsey and Caernarvonshire Families (For author - 1914). Available in many genealogical libraries. The Harleian Society, Publications of the Harleian Society , vol. 92. 1940)."Visitation of London Pedigrees (1664)" Linda Hiser, website: geocities/heartland/acres/5516.html. "The Hill Family of England" & "The Hill Family of Virginia" (2002). J. Gwyfor Jones, The Wynn Family of Gwydir (Univ. of Wales, Aberystwyth - 1995). Susan M. Kingsbury, The Records of the Virginia Company of London (Gov. Printing Office, Wash. DC - 1906) 3 vols. W. Avery Miner (comp.), The Descendants of John Minor. LDS microfilm927.273. A1 No.4028. T.J. Morgan & Pryse Morgan, Welsh Surnames (Univ of Wales Press, 1985). Rubyn R. Ogburn, As I Was Told About the Origin of the Ogburn & Wynne Families (Dietz Press, Richmond, Va. - 1988). John Smith, The Travels, Adventures, & Observations of Captained John Smith (Franklin Press, Richmond, Va. 1819), 2 vol.. This famous book is available in reprinted editions. Mame E. Wood, Letters and works, 1934-37. Xeroxed copies in possession of M. Johnson. (c) Myles Johnson Washington, DC [email protected] Rev. March, 2003 - M. Johnson -----Original Message----- >From: capps family <[email protected]> >Sent: Feb 19, 2006 5:05 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [WINN] calling Miles and all Welsh Wynn-Winn experts (again) > >Brian, > >Has it ever been proven that John Winn married Elizabeth Minor? > >Marilyn > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brian Winn" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:34 PM >Subject: [WINN] calling Miles and all Welsh Wynn-Winn experts (again) > > >>I have not seen any responses to my email from a month ago. I do not >>recall >> seeing this forum 'debate' the accuracy of the 'Wise Footsteps' book, but >> I >> am inclined to change my line from a less than tenuous connection to the >> Welsh Winns through John Wynne to the Wise suggested line. Any thoughts . >> . >> . anyone? >> >> Below are my current chart (which I know is wrong) and my earlier email >> regarding the Wise Footsteps. >> >> Thanks >> >> Brian Winn >> >> - - - - - >> >> Direct Descendants of John * Ap Maurice >> >> 1 John * Ap Maurice 1523 - 1559 >> ... +Ellen * Lloyd - Unknown >> 2 John * Wynne 1553 - 1625/26 >> .......... +Sarah * Sidney Gerard 1560 - 1632 >> .... 3 [2] Owen * Wynne 1586 - 1660 >> ................ +[1] Grace * Williams 1611 - 1652/53 >> ........... 4 [3] John * Winn 1627 - 1694 >> ................. +[4] Elizabeth * Minor 1630 - 1726 >> ...................... 5 [5] Richard * Winn, Sr. 1670 - 1716 >> ............................. +[6] Sarah Unknown 1678 - 1707 >> ............................. 6 [7] Richard * Winn, Jr. 1701 - 1748 >> ................................... +[8] Phoebe * Wilkes 1705 - 1731 >> .................................. 7 [9] John Joseph * Winn, Sr. 1729 - >> 1781 >> ........................................ +[10] Susannah * Epes Irby 1730 - >> 1795 >> ................................... 8 [11] John Joseph * Winn, Jr. 1759 - >> 1838 >> >> >> >> From: "Brian Winn" <> >> Subject: calling Miles and all Welsh Wynn-Winn experts >> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:35:04 -0800 >> >> >> Has anyone taken a look at this? Someone was nice enough to send me this >> section from the book. >> >> The following account from 'Wise Footsteps' is a very plausible effort to >> connect the Winns to Wales. I found a couple of references to Robert Wynne >> as the Uncle of the John Wynne of Gwydir. Unfortunately, I did not get any >> sources for this section. Does anyone have this? It is listed as being in >> the SLC Library >> >> Brian Winn >> >> >> >> " Evan (Jevan) said to be son of Meredydd ap Jevan, born c. 1540; had a >> son: >> >> "Sir Robert Wynne, born c. 1570, was of Conway, Wales, who in the late >> 1500's built Plas Mawr mansion in Conway which is now used to house the >> Royal Cambrian Academy of Arts and is open for tours. The famous Wynn bed, >> built in 1570, is housed at the Castle Hotel and can be requested when >> making reservations. A son was: >> >> "Captain Thomas Wynne, born 1590/92, died 1625; came to Virginia, 1611, >> with >> his kinsman, Owen Wynne; married probably Dorothy Hines (?Vines) and >> received large tracts of land in York and Warwick counties. Two sons were: >> Richard Wynne; married Joan____; [and] >> >> "Captain John Winn, born c. 1632, Virginia; died c. 1694; patented land in >> Westmoreland Co., Virginia, 1654; married Elizabeth Minor, daughter of >> John >> Minor and his wife, Ellinor. Two sons were: >> Richard Winn; married Ann Cocke >> Minor Winn; married Ann Byrd >> >> "Richard Winn, born 1672, most likely in Westmoreland Co., Virginia; died >> 1748, Virginia; married (1st.) Sarah ____; married (2nd.) Ann Cocke. They >> lived in Middlesex Co., Virginia." (citing for Richard the Winn-Jarvis >> Book). Wise Footsteps from England and Ireland; Ancestral Study of Wise >> and >> Allied Families pages 158-60 >> >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Winn Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FgWBAEB/834.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Ed- By chance I had this paper on my desk. Please e-mail me privatly if you are looking for other information. Here is a quick run down on the Winn Branch of Virginia, Hanover Co ----------- Christ Church Parish, Virginia Births, 1653-1812 Mary Winn Richard Winn Sarah Winn 16 Dec 1696/7 Sarah Winn Richard Winn Sarah Winn 17 Jan 1698/9 John Winn son Richard Winn Sarah Winn 1704 Elizabeth Winn Daughter Richard Winn Sarah Winn 18 Apr 1703 Jane daughter Richard Winn Sarah Winn 15 Feb 1707 Thomas son Richard Winn Anne Winn 05 Mar 1716 08 Apr 1716 ---------------- Richard Winn lived in Middlesex co. Married 1, Sarah --- 2. Anne Cocke. Issue by Sarah: Mary, died young Sarah untr Richard babt Sept 28 1701 Elisabeth b April 18 1703 untraced John Sr. babt Jan 20 1705 died about 1789. Lived in Hanover Co had land in Goochland. Mary b. Febr 15 170? untr Jane, unrf (see Christ Parrish records) ----------- Richard Winn married (above) Phoebe, widow Pledger....desc untraced. His brother John married Mary..... they had Hezeciah John Jr. b. Dec 23, 1751 Thomas b. Dec 27, 1753 (Winnville familt bible) Peter Ann who married Nataniel Holman daughter who married John Glazebrook daughter who married Robert Snead daughter who married Robert Elliott Source: Ancell papers in "Historical Society of Virginia" in Richmond