Thank you very much for the link Ellen, I have read in alot of posted messages about "The Fire" and had no clue what everyone was talking about. lol Good information to know. Sandy -----Original Message----- >From: wimilwau-request@rootsweb.com >Sent: Jan 3, 2007 1:01 AM >To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com >Subject: WIMILWAU Digest, Vol 2, Issue 2 > > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Milwaukee orphanages since 1848 (Mary R. Frank) > 2. Wisconsin vital records must be updated - article in today's > Milwaukee J-S (Mary R. Frank) > 3. Mary's complaints, unwisely sent on-list (JQMagie@aol.com) > 4. Re: Mary's complaints, unwisely sent on-list (Drhomanjr@aol.com) > 5. Re: Wisconsin vital records must be updated - article in > today's M... (GipCWoman@aol.com) > 6. census-Deja 1890? (sandisgifts70665@peoplepc.com) > 7. Re: census-Deja 1890? (Ellen- (Milwaukee)) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 08:54:43 -0600 >From: "Mary R. Frank" <mrfrank@uwm.edu> >Subject: Re: [WIMILWAU] Milwaukee orphanages since 1848 >To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <459A7233.1020102@uwm.edu> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >John, while I'm appreciative of the information you share, the >editorializing about people's motives is unfair. Not only was this a >holiday period (many of us being offline), but also, many of us don't >have (or are unaware of having) orphans in our tree. Furthermore, why >do you so often think that every time someone doesn't answer a question >that it's because they are uninterested or somehow negligent? How can >we answer a question we know nothing about? Hunh? Who is it that you >think is refusing to give away all this information, anyway? I don't >know about other people on this list, but I'm here to share, when I can, >and to learn when I don't know something. There's no big genealogy guru >out here, that I know of, who can just magically answer people's >questions. It takes research, and research takes time. Some of us have >more time than others, or more opportunity to share (living in >Milwaukee, I count myself blessed to have the chance to look things up >for myself and others, time permitting). Impugning people's motives is >tediously unhelpful and makes what used to be a very friendly list a >difficult place to be. > >By the way, I did copy a list of the orphanages listed in the 1910 >Wright's directory, and have emailed Ken that I'd be happy to send him a >copy of the 2-page list. If anyone else wants a copy, they can contact >me off the list. > >mrf > > >JQMagie@aol.com wrote: >> Here on the WiMilwau list apparently the only way to successfully deliver a >> message is to just keep repeating it. So below is a duplicate of some >> Milwaukee orphanage info I posted over a year ago (in turn, a repeat of much older >> posted info from me.) >> >> St. Aemillian-Lakeside, Inc. (http://www.st-al.org/history.htm) at 8901 W. >> Capitol Drive in Milwaukee has told me that almost all records on Milwaukee >> orphans since the 1840s is at their campus and/or the adjoining St. Rose >> campus. I'm unclear on their policies on sharing this info. But why so few >> WiMilwau listers apparently seem interested in all this remains a mystery to me >> .................John (in metro Chicago) >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: Milwaukee orphanages since 1848 >> Date: 12/8/2005 4:15:08 A.M. Central Standard Time >> From: JQMagie@aol.com >> To: JanThatcher@charter.net, WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com >> >> Many thanks for your note below, Janet. Actually I've been somewhat >> surprised that, as far as I know, no one else has expressed any interest in my >> WiMilwau posting of Dec. 2 on Milwaukee orphanages, plus my follow-up posting of >> Dec. 5. >> >> In an old scrapbook begun in the late 1840s by my Milwaukee >> great-great-grandmother Sarah Ann Eldred (nee Higby), 1802-1879, there are many ancient >> Milwaukee newspaper clippings on her helping organize the Milwaukee Protestant >> Orphan Asylum in 1849 and on the subsequent substantial volunteer involvement in >> that institution by both her and her children. Sarah and her husband, >> Elisha Eldred, 1796-1860, a leading early Milwaukee real estate and railroad >> developer, had moved to Milwaukee in 1842 from the Cooperstown, NY, area. >> >> I TOO became curious about what had happened to the above orphanage, plus >> St. Aemillian and St. Rose (both originally Roman Catholic), and I was >> surprised to find that all three continue to exist OVER 150 YEARS LATER-- even though >> their mission today is essentially no longer the custodial care of orphans >> (now mostly in foster homes). St. Aemillian was actually located south of >> Milwaukee (in St. Francis, WI) from 1854 to 1930-- and presumably several other >> Milwaukee County localities had separate orphan homes. >> >> I suggest you first check out the helpful website of St. Aemillian-Lakeside >> (http://www.st-al.org), including the list of staff, and then call them at >> 800-840-1880 or 414-463-1880. I haven't yet visited their main campus at 8901 >> West Capitol Drive in Milwaukee, and I just noticed that they maintain branch >> facilities at Racine, Waukesha, West Bend, and Sheboygan-- all outside of >> Milwaukee County ......John >> __________________________________________________ >> >> -----Original message----- >> On 12/7/05, at 11:26:49 PM CST, JanThatcher@charter.net writes >> >> I noticed the following posting on the Milwaukee Rootsweb list. >> >> .....Your post was incredibly important to me because I did not know what >> happened to this institution. It looks like it was renamed Lakeside Children's >> Center in 1943 and then merged with St. Aemilian-Lakeside. >> >> Do you have any idea how I would I go about seeing if there are any records >> for my ancestors that have been kept by the surviving institution of St. >> Aemilian-Lakeside? >> >> Janet in California >> >> >> >> >> Subject: [WiMilwau] Milwaukee orphanages since 1848 >> Date: 12/5/2005 2:59:45 A.M. Central Standard Time >> From: JQMagie@aol.com >> To: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com >> >> St. Aemilian-Lakeside, Inc. >> >> There are probably many people who know more about all this than I do, but I >> feel confident that almost all Milwaukee area BOYS in orphanages since >> the late 1840s were tied to what is now known as St. Aemilian-Lakeside-- a >> 1989 merger of two large institutions, one Catholic and one Protestant. >> >> Also, my guess is that most Milwaukee area GIRLS in orphanages since 1848 >> were tied to what is now St. Rose Youth & Family Center-- now an >> independent, >> nonsectarian, nonprofit organization that was formerly tied to the Milwaukee >> Catholic Archdiocese and known in the 19th century as St Rose Orphan >> Asylum. >> But maybe there have been other Milwaukee female orphanages over the years, >> including possibly St. Vincent. >> >> St. Rose Youth & Family Center, Inc. >> >> http://www.strosecenter.org >> 3801 N. 88th St., Milwaukee, WI 53222 >> Phone: (414) 466-9450 >> >> I just checked a map and see that both St. Aemilian-Lakeside and St. Rose >> now adjoin each other (with the same zip code) on a single large campus >> southwest of Capitol Drive and 88th Street, Milwaukee. >> >> In the 1890s and for many years thereafter, St. Rose was located at the NW >> corner of North and Lake Drive, just east the Milwaukee Protestant Orphan >> Asylum (renamed Lakeside Children's Center in 1943). Meanwhile, from >> 1854-1930, >> St. Aemillian was located South of Milwaukee on the big extant lakeside >> campus of St. Francis Seminary ......John >> >> >> >> >> >> Subj: Milwaukee orphanages since 1849 >> Date: 12/2/2005 7:27:35 A.M. CST >> From: JQMagie >> To: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com >> >> I've been meaning to reiterate the following. St. Aemilian-Lakeside, Inc, >> of Milwaukee, to which my Eldred and Magie ancestors supported, especially >> in >> its early years, in extensive volunteer labor and substantial financial >> assistance, apparently remains an incredibly important repository of >> Milwaukee >> orphanage records since 1849. >> >> http://www.st-al.org >> >> St. Aemilian-Lakeside, Inc. >> 8901 West Capitol Drive, Milwaukee, WI 53222 >> (414) 463-1880 or (800) 840-1880 >> (414) 463-2770 fax >> >> The Milwaukee Protestant Orphan Asylum that my family helped organize in >> 1849 was formerly in a large 1887 building at the NE corner of Prospect and >> North avenues in Milwaukee. In 1943, as foster care became more important, >> it >> was renamed "Lakeside Children's Center." St. Aemilian's Orphan Asylum had >> been founded by Milwaukee's Roman Catholic Archdiocese in 1850. And the >> two >> large and ancient institutions formally merged on January 1, 1989, as ST. >> AEMILIAN-LAKESIDE, INC-- a private, not-for-profit, non-sectarian, >> residential >> treatment center for boys. I'm not clear on this-- but I think that, while >> the >> emphasis over the years at both institutions has been on boys, this may no >> longer be true. >> >> >> >> >> Subj: Re: [WIMILWAU] Help >> Date: 12/30/2006 5:31:16 P.M. Central Standard Time >> From: milwaukee@linkstothepast.com >> To: wimilwau@rootsweb. >> >> ......I have a list of orphanages on my site. It is an early list, some of >> them were still in existence in 1910, but I don't have a current list to help >> you for the 1910 time period. >> http://linkstothepast.com/milwaukee/mkebenev.html >> >> Good Luck in your search. >> Ellen- >> >> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** >> >> On 12/30/2006 at 5:21 PM K Wilhelm wrote: >> >> >>> Ellen >>> >>> I greatly appreciate your interest and help, however, the father John died >>> in August of 1910 and the boys, my father Fred and Uncle Roland were later >>> sent to an orphanage. I am trying to trace them to an orphanage since they >>> fall off the radar screen until my father joins the Navy around 1919. Am >>> trying to fill that gap. >>> >>> Thanks again and have a Happy and Healthy New Year. >>> >>> Ken in NC ......... >>> >>> >>>> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** >>>> >>>> On 12/26/2006 at 8:39 AM K Wilhelm wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I am looking for a list of orphanages that were operating in Milwaukee in >>>>> the 1910 period. My father, Frederick Wilhelm, and his younger brother >>>>> Roland, ages 10 and 7 were sent to an orphanage after their fathers' >>>>> death in May of 1910. As the story goes their stay was as brief as >>>>> possible since they were not happy there and they ran away. >>>>> >>>>> I have searched census records to no avail, perhaps the count was >>>>> completed before their attendance, and am certain they were gone >>>>> before the next census. >>>>> Any help would be gratefully appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Ken Wilhelm >>>>> Pinehurst, NC >>>>> >> _____________________________________________________________________________ >> >> (PS from JQM to Ken: sadly my older brother Peter M. Magie of 490 Central >> Dr., Southern Pines, NC 28387, died of cancer on 9/23/2002 in adjoining >> Pinehurst, NC) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WIMILWAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 15:27:36 -0600 >From: "Mary R. Frank" <mrfrank@uwm.edu> >Subject: [WIMILWAU] Wisconsin vital records must be updated - article > in today's Milwaukee J-S >To: Milwaukee Genealogy List <WIMILWAU@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <459ACE48.108@uwm.edu> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > U.S. leaves Wisconsin with cradle, grave costs > > > State required to update old birth and death records > > >http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=547975 > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:13:09 EST >From: JQMagie@aol.com >Subject: [WIMILWAU] Mary's complaints, unwisely sent on-list >To: mrfrank@uwm.edu, wimilwau@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <cb1.7aff8f5.32cc32f5@aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > >Mary-- I feel you have, very intelligently & clearly, added a lot of value >to this WiMilwau list over the past few years. But I also feel that your >personal attack on me today (below) is VERY out of place as an ON-LIST WiMilwau >post. You might have decided today to add some harmony to the WiMilwau list, >instead of going in your own very different direction. > >I view much (but not all) of what you say below as goofy, unreasonable, and >unfair (as I will explain later off-list). But, more importantly, I think >you would have been wise, as well as much more courteous, had your complaints >been sent (at least initially) to me privately-- i.e., OFF-LIST. > >You say nothing below, positive or negative, about the SUBSTANCE of my >somewhat long-winded 12/31/06 "Milwaukee orphanages since 1848" post. Instead of >criticizing the MESSAGE (which might well have been helpful), you have >disagreeably decided to complain vigorously about the MESSENGER (i.e., me). > >I have no idea whose or what motives you feel I've been "impugning." But >perhaps, Mary, you feel that in my 12/31/06 post, I was somehow criticizing >YOU. So let me assure you that was not my intention whatsoever. Yet I do wish >that those that are voluntarily or officially in charge of websites that >provide Milwaukee County genealogical resources would be more willing to accept >updated info-- while I'm mindful that we are all providing volunteer labor, >which has its own slow pace. > >While I remain busy with ongoing holiday activities and out-of-town >visitors, I do intend, Mary, to respond to your unfair attacks below in more detail, >WHEN time permits. But I do not plan to dignify them with any more on-list >discussion. My response will be OFF-LIST, even though this is a courtesy you >didn't extend to me today. And hopefully I'll see no more posts about all >this from you until you at least get my private response. > >Mary, etc.-- let's try to lighten up a bit, turn off the anger (and hurt?) >for at least a few minutes, and at least pretend that the holiday season >hasn't ended. > >I've been contributing to the WiMilwau RootsWeb off and on (mostly the >latter) for some six years-- far longer than you, I suspect. And I've always felt >I had very good relations with other listers, until a few months ago--when >some guy mysteriously and disagreeably started complaining, frequently when I >posted something new, "what does that have to do with genealogy." Finally I >sent him an annoyed OFF-LIST note to him, which then resulted in more ON-LIST >abuse from him-- and possibly your complaint below as well. I really feel >sad and mystified why this guy seems so mad at me. And your moral support in >this matter would have been nice-- but was clearly missing. > >I'm an occasionally grumpy Senior Citizen who's been working on and off on >genealogy for over forty years, along with other family members. We have over > 10,000 people in our database, and there are very few mysteries left >relating to my family and cousins over the past few hundred years (including >Milwaukee relatives going back to the mid-1830s). > >Thus my involvement in this WiMilwau list stems almost entirely from my >desire to post general genealogy ideas and help less experienced genealogists in >their own research (as time permits). > >Maybe I've stepped on a few toes in doing the above, although I'm not clear >how. But, if so, I certainly apologize. > >I feel that four or five years ago people on this seem to have had much more >fun-- and also were more "Renaissance" in their approach to history and >other interests. So I feel sad that some people on the current WiMilwau list >seem to have so little sense of humor. Yes, my impression is that too many >WiMilwau listers take themselves far too seriously .............John (in >metro Chicago) > >______________________________________________________________________________ >___ > > > >Subj: Re: [WIMILWAU] Milwaukee orphanages since 1848 >Date: 1/2/2007 8:55:59 A.M. Central Standard Time >From: mrfrank@uwm.edu >Reply-to: wimilwau@rootsweb.com >To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com > >John, while I'm appreciative of the information you share, the >editorializing about people's motives is unfair. Not only was this a >holiday period (many of us being offline), but also, many of us don't >have (or are unaware of having) orphans in our tree. Furthermore, why >do you so often think that every time someone doesn't answer a question >that it's because they are uninterested or somehow negligent? How can >we answer a question we know nothing about? Hunh? Who is it that you >think is refusing to give away all this information, anyway? I don't >know about other people on this list, but I'm here to share, when I can, >and to learn when I don't know something. There's no big genealogy guru >out here, that I know of, who can just magically answer people's >questions. It takes research, and research takes time. Some of us have >more time than others, or more opportunity to share (living in >Milwaukee, I count myself blessed to have the chance to look things up >for myself and others, time permitting). Impugning people's motives is >tediously unhelpful and makes what used to be a very friendly list a >difficult place to be. > >By the way, I did copy a list of the orphanages listed in the 1910 >Wright's directory, and have emailed Ken that I'd be happy to send him a >copy of the 2-page list. If anyone else wants a copy, they can contact >me off the list. > >mrf >______________________________________________________________________________ >___ > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:43:12 EST >From: Drhomanjr@aol.com >Subject: Re: [WIMILWAU] Mary's complaints, unwisely sent on-list >To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <417.1269e298.32cc4810@aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > >I always did love a good cat fight! Get er done girls! > >;>) > >Me > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:43:46 EST >From: GipCWoman@aol.com >Subject: Re: [WIMILWAU] Wisconsin vital records must be updated - > article in today's M... >To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <bbb.b2b4292.32cc5642@aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Thank you for sharing this.... > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:58:28 -0600 >From: <sandisgifts70665@peoplepc.com> >Subject: [WIMILWAU] census-Deja 1890? >To: <wimilwau@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <001001c72eeb$6ecb7bd0$229894ce@yourc8bh3jaglt> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Is there not a 1890 census for Milw. Wi,? >Mt gr. grand parents are on the NY pass. list as arriving 4/12/1881. >with children Franz age 4 b. abt. 1877 poland Germany >Martha Deja age 11 months b. abt. 1880 poland Germany > >I have Michael & Anastasia on 1900 census in Milw Wi. >but Franz & Martha must have been moved out by that time, as they are not on it. >Is there any way to find out where they went? >Thank you for any help I can get on this. Sandy > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:04:35 -0600 >From: "Ellen- (Milwaukee)" <milwaukee@linkstothepast.com> >Subject: Re: [WIMILWAU] census-Deja 1890? >To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <200701022204350093.0107B6DD@mail2.onyourmark.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >There is not an 1890 Census for much of the country. > >Here is an article on why. > >http://linkstothepast.com/milwaukee/1890cens.html > >Ellen- > > >*********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > >On 1/2/2007 at 9:58 PM sandisgifts70665@peoplepc.com wrote: > >>Is there not a 1890 census for Milw. Wi,? >>Mt gr. grand parents are on the NY pass. list as arriving 4/12/1881. >>with children Franz age 4 b. abt. 1877 poland Germany >>Martha Deja age 11 months b. abt. 1880 poland Germany >> >>I have Michael & Anastasia on 1900 census in Milw Wi. >>but Franz & Martha must have been moved out by that time, as they are not >>on it. >>Is there any way to find out where they went? >>Thank you for any help I can get on this. Sandy >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>WIMILWAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the WIMILWAU list administrator, send an email to >WIMILWAU-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the WIMILWAU mailing list, send an email to WIMILWAU@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WIMILWAU-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of WIMILWAU Digest, Vol 2, Issue 2 >************************************** Take Care & God Bless You. ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com