I very seldom reply to this list--though I faithfully read and contribute off site, I have to remark on these comments of late--I don't care about your personal difficulties with other site members. PLEASE STOP. Let's keep this professional. I love family history and think the bickering and insults are silly. ----- Original Message ----- From: <wimilwau-request@rootsweb.com> To: <wimilwau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:01 AM Subject: WIMILWAU Digest, Vol 2, Issue 2 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Milwaukee orphanages since 1848 (Mary R. Frank) > 2. Wisconsin vital records must be updated - article in today's > Milwaukee J-S (Mary R. Frank) > 3. Mary's complaints, unwisely sent on-list (JQMagie@aol.com) > 4. Re: Mary's complaints, unwisely sent on-list (Drhomanjr@aol.com) > 5. Re: Wisconsin vital records must be updated - article in > today's M... (GipCWoman@aol.com) > 6. census-Deja 1890? (sandisgifts70665@peoplepc.com) > 7. Re: census-Deja 1890? (Ellen- (Milwaukee)) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 08:54:43 -0600 > From: "Mary R. Frank" <mrfrank@uwm.edu> > Subject: Re: [WIMILWAU] Milwaukee orphanages since 1848 > To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <459A7233.1020102@uwm.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > John, while I'm appreciative of the information you share, the > editorializing about people's motives is unfair. Not only was this a > holiday period (many of us being offline), but also, many of us don't > have (or are unaware of having) orphans in our tree. Furthermore, why > do you so often think that every time someone doesn't answer a question > that it's because they are uninterested or somehow negligent? How can > we answer a question we know nothing about? Hunh? Who is it that you > think is refusing to give away all this information, anyway? I don't > know about other people on this list, but I'm here to share, when I can, > and to learn when I don't know something. There's no big genealogy guru > out here, that I know of, who can just magically answer people's > questions. It takes research, and research takes time. Some of us have > more time than others, or more opportunity to share (living in > Milwaukee, I count myself blessed to have the chance to look things up > for myself and others, time permitting). Impugning people's motives is > tediously unhelpful and makes what used to be a very friendly list a > difficult place to be. > > By the way, I did copy a list of the orphanages listed in the 1910 > Wright's directory, and have emailed Ken that I'd be happy to send him a > copy of the 2-page list. If anyone else wants a copy, they can contact > me off the list. > > mrf > > > JQMagie@aol.com wrote: > > Here on the WiMilwau list apparently the only way to successfully deliver a > > message is to just keep repeating it. So below is a duplicate of some > > Milwaukee orphanage info I posted over a year ago (in turn, a repeat of much older > > posted info from me.) > > > > St. Aemillian-Lakeside, Inc. (http://www.st-al.org/history.htm) at 8901 W. > > Capitol Drive in Milwaukee has told me that almost all records on Milwaukee > > orphans since the 1840s is at their campus and/or the adjoining St. Rose > > campus. I'm unclear on their policies on sharing this info. But why so few > > WiMilwau listers apparently seem interested in all this remains a mystery to me > > .................John (in metro Chicago) > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Milwaukee orphanages since 1848 > > Date: 12/8/2005 4:15:08 A.M. Central Standard Time > > From: JQMagie@aol.com > > To: JanThatcher@charter.net, WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Many thanks for your note below, Janet. Actually I've been somewhat > > surprised that, as far as I know, no one else has expressed any interest in my > > WiMilwau posting of Dec. 2 on Milwaukee orphanages, plus my follow-up posting of > > Dec. 5. > > > > In an old scrapbook begun in the late 1840s by my Milwaukee > > great-great-grandmother Sarah Ann Eldred (nee Higby), 1802-1879, there are many ancient > > Milwaukee newspaper clippings on her helping organize the Milwaukee Protestant > > Orphan Asylum in 1849 and on the subsequent substantial volunteer involvement in > > that institution by both her and her children. Sarah and her husband, > > Elisha Eldred, 1796-1860, a leading early Milwaukee real estate and railroad > > developer, had moved to Milwaukee in 1842 from the Cooperstown, NY, area. > > > > I TOO became curious about what had happened to the above orphanage, plus > > St. Aemillian and St. Rose (both originally Roman Catholic), and I was > > surprised to find that all three continue to exist OVER 150 YEARS LATER-- even though > > their mission today is essentially no longer the custodial care of orphans > > (now mostly in foster homes). St. Aemillian was actually located south of > > Milwaukee (in St. Francis, WI) from 1854 to 1930-- and presumably several other > > Milwaukee County localities had separate orphan homes. > > > > I suggest you first check out the helpful website of St. Aemillian-Lakeside > > (http://www.st-al.org), including the list of staff, and then call them at > > 800-840-1880 or 414-463-1880. I haven't yet visited their main campus at 8901 > > West Capitol Drive in Milwaukee, and I just noticed that they maintain branch > > facilities at Racine, Waukesha, West Bend, and Sheboygan-- all outside of > > Milwaukee County ......John > > __________________________________________________ > > > > -----Original message----- > > On 12/7/05, at 11:26:49 PM CST, JanThatcher@charter.net writes > > > > I noticed the following posting on the Milwaukee Rootsweb list. > > > > .....Your post was incredibly important to me because I did not know what > > happened to this institution. It looks like it was renamed Lakeside Children's > > Center in 1943 and then merged with St. Aemilian-Lakeside. > > > > Do you have any idea how I would I go about seeing if there are any records > > for my ancestors that have been kept by the surviving institution of St. > > Aemilian-Lakeside? > > > > Janet in California > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [WiMilwau] Milwaukee orphanages since 1848 > > Date: 12/5/2005 2:59:45 A.M. Central Standard Time > > From: JQMagie@aol.com > > To: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com > > > > St. Aemilian-Lakeside, Inc. > > > > There are probably many people who know more about all this than I do, but I > > feel confident that almost all Milwaukee area BOYS in orphanages since > > the late 1840s were tied to what is now known as St. Aemilian-Lakeside-- a > > 1989 merger of two large institutions, one Catholic and one Protestant. > > > > Also, my guess is that most Milwaukee area GIRLS in orphanages since 1848 > > were tied to what is now St. Rose Youth & Family Center-- now an > > independent, > > nonsectarian, nonprofit organization that was formerly tied to the Milwaukee > > Catholic Archdiocese and known in the 19th century as St Rose Orphan > > Asylum. > > But maybe there have been other Milwaukee female orphanages over the years, > > including possibly St. Vincent. > > > > St. Rose Youth & Family Center, Inc. > > > > http://www.strosecenter.org > > 3801 N. 88th St., Milwaukee, WI 53222 > > Phone: (414) 466-9450 > > > > I just checked a map and see that both St. Aemilian-Lakeside and St. Rose > > now adjoin each other (with the same zip code) on a single large campus > > southwest of Capitol Drive and 88th Street, Milwaukee. > > > > In the 1890s and for many years thereafter, St. Rose was located at the NW > > corner of North and Lake Drive, just east the Milwaukee Protestant Orphan > > Asylum (renamed Lakeside Children's Center in 1943). Meanwhile, from > > 1854-1930, > > St. Aemillian was located South of Milwaukee on the big extant lakeside > > campus of St. Francis Seminary ......John > > > > > > > > > > > > Subj: Milwaukee orphanages since 1849 > > Date: 12/2/2005 7:27:35 A.M. CST > > From: JQMagie > > To: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com > > > > I've been meaning to reiterate the following. St. Aemilian-Lakeside, Inc, > > of Milwaukee, to which my Eldred and Magie ancestors supported, especially > > in > > its early years, in extensive volunteer labor and substantial financial > > assistance, apparently remains an incredibly important repository of > > Milwaukee > > orphanage records since 1849. > > > > http://www.st-al.org > > > > St. Aemilian-Lakeside, Inc. > > 8901 West Capitol Drive, Milwaukee, WI 53222 > > (414) 463-1880 or (800) 840-1880 > > (414) 463-2770 fax > > > > The Milwaukee Protestant Orphan Asylum that my family helped organize in > > 1849 was formerly in a large 1887 building at the NE corner of Prospect and > > North avenues in Milwaukee. In 1943, as foster care became more important, > > it > > was renamed "Lakeside Children's Center." St. Aemilian's Orphan Asylum had > > been founded by Milwaukee's Roman Catholic Archdiocese in 1850. And the > > two > > large and ancient institutions formally merged on January 1, 1989, as ST. > > AEMILIAN-LAKESIDE, INC-- a private, not-for-profit, non-sectarian, > > residential > > treatment center for boys. I'm not clear on this-- but I think that, while > > the > > emphasis over the years at both institutions has been on boys, this may no > > longer be true. > > > > > > > > > > Subj: Re: [WIMILWAU] Help > > Date: 12/30/2006 5:31:16 P.M. Central Standard Time > > From: milwaukee@linkstothepast.com > > To: wimilwau@rootsweb. > > > > ......I have a list of orphanages on my site. It is an early list, some of > > them were still in existence in 1910, but I don't have a current list to help > > you for the 1910 time period. > > http://linkstothepast.com/milwaukee/mkebenev.html > > > > Good Luck in your search. > > Ellen- > > > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > > > On 12/30/2006 at 5:21 PM K Wilhelm wrote: > > > > > >> Ellen > >> > >> I greatly appreciate your interest and help, however, the father John died > >> in August of 1910 and the boys, my father Fred and Uncle Roland were later > >> sent to an orphanage. I am trying to trace them to an orphanage since they > >> fall off the radar screen until my father joins the Navy around 1919. Am > >> trying to fill that gap. > >> > >> Thanks again and have a Happy and Healthy New Year. > >> > >> Ken in NC ......... > >> > >> > >>> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > >>> > >>> On 12/26/2006 at 8:39 AM K Wilhelm wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> I am looking for a list of orphanages that were operating in Milwaukee in > >>>> the 1910 period. My father, Frederick Wilhelm, and his younger brother > >>>> Roland, ages 10 and 7 were sent to an orphanage after their fathers' > >>>> death in May of 1910. As the story goes their stay was as brief as > >>>> possible since they were not happy there and they ran away. > >>>> > >>>> I have searched census records to no avail, perhaps the count was > >>>> completed before their attendance, and am certain they were gone > >>>> before the next census. > >>>> Any help would be gratefully appreciated. > >>>> > >>>> Ken Wilhelm > >>>> Pinehurst, NC > >>>> > > ____________________________________________________________________________ _ > > > > (PS from JQM to Ken: sadly my older brother Peter M. Magie of 490 Central > > Dr., Southern Pines, NC 28387, died of cancer on 9/23/2002 in adjoining > > Pinehurst, NC) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WIMILWAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 15:27:36 -0600 > From: "Mary R. Frank" <mrfrank@uwm.edu> > Subject: [WIMILWAU] Wisconsin vital records must be updated - article > in today's Milwaukee J-S > To: Milwaukee Genealogy List <WIMILWAU@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <459ACE48.108@uwm.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > U.S. leaves Wisconsin with cradle, grave costs > > > State required to update old birth and death records > > > http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=547975 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:13:09 EST > From: JQMagie@aol.com > Subject: [WIMILWAU] Mary's complaints, unwisely sent on-list > To: mrfrank@uwm.edu, wimilwau@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <cb1.7aff8f5.32cc32f5@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > Mary-- I feel you have, very intelligently & clearly, added a lot of value > to this WiMilwau list over the past few years. But I also feel that your > personal attack on me today (below) is VERY out of place as an ON-LIST WiMilwau > post. You might have decided today to add some harmony to the WiMilwau list, > instead of going in your own very different direction. > > I view much (but not all) of what you say below as goofy, unreasonable, and > unfair (as I will explain later off-list). But, more importantly, I think > you would have been wise, as well as much more courteous, had your complaints > been sent (at least initially) to me privately-- i.e., OFF-LIST. > > You say nothing below, positive or negative, about the SUBSTANCE of my > somewhat long-winded 12/31/06 "Milwaukee orphanages since 1848" post. Instead of > criticizing the MESSAGE (which might well have been helpful), you have > disagreeably decided to complain vigorously about the MESSENGER (i.e., me). > > I have no idea whose or what motives you feel I've been "impugning." But > perhaps, Mary, you feel that in my 12/31/06 post, I was somehow criticizing > YOU. So let me assure you that was not my intention whatsoever. Yet I do wish > that those that are voluntarily or officially in charge of websites that > provide Milwaukee County genealogical resources would be more willing to accept > updated info-- while I'm mindful that we are all providing volunteer labor, > which has its own slow pace. > > While I remain busy with ongoing holiday activities and out-of-town > visitors, I do intend, Mary, to respond to your unfair attacks below in more detail, > WHEN time permits. But I do not plan to dignify them with any more on-list > discussion. My response will be OFF-LIST, even though this is a courtesy you > didn't extend to me today. And hopefully I'll see no more posts about all > this from you until you at least get my private response. > > Mary, etc.-- let's try to lighten up a bit, turn off the anger (and hurt?) > for at least a few minutes, and at least pretend that the holiday season > hasn't ended. > > I've been contributing to the WiMilwau RootsWeb off and on (mostly the > latter) for some six years-- far longer than you, I suspect. And I've always felt > I had very good relations with other listers, until a few months ago--when > some guy mysteriously and disagreeably started complaining, frequently when I > posted something new, "what does that have to do with genealogy." Finally I > sent him an annoyed OFF-LIST note to him, which then resulted in more ON-LIST > abuse from him-- and possibly your complaint below as well. I really feel > sad and mystified why this guy seems so mad at me. And your moral support in > this matter would have been nice-- but was clearly missing. > > I'm an occasionally grumpy Senior Citizen who's been working on and off on > genealogy for over forty years, along with other family members. We have over > 10,000 people in our database, and there are very few mysteries left > relating to my family and cousins over the past few hundred years (including > Milwaukee relatives going back to the mid-1830s). > > Thus my involvement in this WiMilwau list stems almost entirely from my > desire to post general genealogy ideas and help less experienced genealogists in > their own research (as time permits). > > Maybe I've stepped on a few toes in doing the above, although I'm not clear > how. But, if so, I certainly apologize. > > I feel that four or five years ago people on this seem to have had much more > fun-- and also were more "Renaissance" in their approach to history and > other interests. So I feel sad that some people on the current WiMilwau list > seem to have so little sense of humor. Yes, my impression is that too many > WiMilwau listers take themselves far too seriously .............John (in > metro Chicago) > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __ > ___ > > > > Subj: Re: [WIMILWAU] Milwaukee orphanages since 1848 > Date: 1/2/2007 8:55:59 A.M. Central Standard Time > From: mrfrank@uwm.edu > Reply-to: wimilwau@rootsweb.com > To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com > > John, while I'm appreciative of the information you share, the > editorializing about people's motives is unfair. Not only was this a > holiday period (many of us being offline), but also, many of us don't > have (or are unaware of having) orphans in our tree. Furthermore, why > do you so often think that every time someone doesn't answer a question > that it's because they are uninterested or somehow negligent? How can > we answer a question we know nothing about? Hunh? Who is it that you > think is refusing to give away all this information, anyway? I don't > know about other people on this list, but I'm here to share, when I can, > and to learn when I don't know something. There's no big genealogy guru > out here, that I know of, who can just magically answer people's > questions. It takes research, and research takes time. Some of us have > more time than others, or more opportunity to share (living in > Milwaukee, I count myself blessed to have the chance to look things up > for myself and others, time permitting). Impugning people's motives is > tediously unhelpful and makes what used to be a very friendly list a > difficult place to be. > > By the way, I did copy a list of the orphanages listed in the 1910 > Wright's directory, and have emailed Ken that I'd be happy to send him a > copy of the 2-page list. If anyone else wants a copy, they can contact > me off the list. > > mrf > ____________________________________________________________________________ __ > ___ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:43:12 EST > From: Drhomanjr@aol.com > Subject: Re: [WIMILWAU] Mary's complaints, unwisely sent on-list > To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <417.1269e298.32cc4810@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > I always did love a good cat fight! Get er done girls! > > ;>) > > Me > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:43:46 EST > From: GipCWoman@aol.com > Subject: Re: [WIMILWAU] Wisconsin vital records must be updated - > article in today's M... > To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <bbb.b2b4292.32cc5642@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Thank you for sharing this.... > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:58:28 -0600 > From: <sandisgifts70665@peoplepc.com> > Subject: [WIMILWAU] census-Deja 1890? > To: <wimilwau@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001001c72eeb$6ecb7bd0$229894ce@yourc8bh3jaglt> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Is there not a 1890 census for Milw. Wi,? > Mt gr. grand parents are on the NY pass. list as arriving 4/12/1881. > with children Franz age 4 b. abt. 1877 poland Germany > Martha Deja age 11 months b. abt. 1880 poland Germany > > I have Michael & Anastasia on 1900 census in Milw Wi. > but Franz & Martha must have been moved out by that time, as they are not on it. > Is there any way to find out where they went? > Thank you for any help I can get on this. Sandy > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:04:35 -0600 > From: "Ellen- (Milwaukee)" <milwaukee@linkstothepast.com> > Subject: Re: [WIMILWAU] census-Deja 1890? > To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <200701022204350093.0107B6DD@mail2.onyourmark.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > There is not an 1890 Census for much of the country. > > Here is an article on why. > > http://linkstothepast.com/milwaukee/1890cens.html > > Ellen- > > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 1/2/2007 at 9:58 PM sandisgifts70665@peoplepc.com wrote: > > >Is there not a 1890 census for Milw. Wi,? > >Mt gr. grand parents are on the NY pass. list as arriving 4/12/1881. > >with children Franz age 4 b. abt. 1877 poland Germany > >Martha Deja age 11 months b. abt. 1880 poland Germany > > > >I have Michael & Anastasia on 1900 census in Milw Wi. > >but Franz & Martha must have been moved out by that time, as they are not > >on it. > >Is there any way to find out where they went? > >Thank you for any help I can get on this. Sandy > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >WIMILWAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the WIMILWAU list administrator, send an email to > WIMILWAU-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the WIMILWAU mailing list, send an email to WIMILWAU@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WIMILWAU-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of WIMILWAU Digest, Vol 2, Issue 2 > ************************************** >