Re: [WiMilwau] E. Milwaukee Avenue, Wauwatosa? ======================================================== Milwaukee view, David W. Moody, 1854: http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.gmd/g4124m.pm010443 Wauwatosa & Milwaukee view, Marr & Richards, 1892: http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.gmd/g4124w.pm010650 Milwaukee's St. John's Cathedral- detailed recent photo: http://www.msoe.edu/~reyer/mke/1847b.jpg Milwaukee's St. John's Cathedral: alternate recent photo: http://www.msoe.edu/~reyer/mke/1847b.html all US Library of Congress panoramic maps: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/pmhtml/panhome.html other Milwaukee area panoramic ("bird's-eye') maps at LC: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/gmd:@band(wisconsin+milwaukee) other Milwaukee panoramic ("bird's-eye') maps at LC (the alternate URL below may need to be spliced back together after being received from RootsWeb): http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/gmd:@FILREQ(@field(SUBJ+@band(Wisc onsin--Milwaukee+))+@FIELD(COLLID+citymap)) ======================================================== To Denver Penny, Brookfield Bob, and other WiMilwau listers-- Wohin führt diese Straße? "Wo letztlich die Verantwortung liegt." I've spoken of this before on this list, but if you want to see some 19th century (pre-airplane) images of what the Milwaukee area, including Wauwatosa, looked from an airplane, I recommend checking out one of the panoramic maps at: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/gmd:@band(wisconsin+milwaukee). Penny, I especially refer you to the nice Wauwatosa view that I've listed above. It might even reveal some detail on a new 1892 addition to a one the homes of your Hintz relatives. It might even show Ferdinand Hintz in his garden! What you do is first to paste the above Wauwatosa URL in your browser. After pressing GO, hopefully you are presented with a miniature version of this 1892 map. Click on this, and you should be provided with a larger version of the same map-- showing central Wauwatosa in the left foreground and, to the east and more distant, downtown Milwaukee and Lake Michigan. Then click on the center "zoom" position and the 640x480 "window size" (both just below the map)-- and then find the big diagonal road that extends upward (and somewhat leftward) from the botton center of the map. This is the ancient Watertown Plank Road (now Harwood Ave. in Wauwatosa). This highway was an old toll road that ran on top of long parallel logs (I think) and was completed about 1851-- and survived maintenance-free for about as long as modern highways do (not too long). This toll road linked the Milwaukee area with Watertown, WI, to the northwest. Where the road dead ends, just NE of downtown Wauwatosa, was the west end of the old Wauwatosa Plank Road (now Milwaukee Ave. in Wauwatosa), a western extension of old Vliet Street in downtown Milwaukee. In the 1850s, these expensive "plank roads" were soon surpassed in importance by the coming of railroads. Now move your pointer to the intersection of Wauwatosa's modern Milwaukee Ave. and Harwood Ave. They meet at about a 60 degree angle and a few blocks NE of downtown Wauwatosa on the Menomonee River. If you can't find this intersection, just click near the left center of the map. And, presto, you have moderately detailed 1892 bird's-eye view of central Wauwatosa. Also, if you and others want to see what downtown Milwaukee looked like in the 1850s, I also recommend your checking out what I think is one of the most enchanting mid 19th century bird's-eye views of any American city: David W. Moody's 1854 panoramic map of downtown Milwaukee. This colored lithograph (originally 42 x 74 cm) seems to be quite accurate and possesses incredible detail. ONLY the badges on the distant policemen are difficult to read. Regarding the Moody map, first paste in the Moody URL (listedabove) and then click on the miniature map. On the larger map that is opened up, find-- to the left of the top center-- what is still Milwaukee's Roman Catholic Cathedral (begun about 1847). Its spire (now taller) is the only structure (other than the distant ships) to extend above the Lake Michigan horizon line in the Moody lithograph. The large size of this church image, compared to other large churches shown (only a few survive) suggests to me that Moody may well have been Catholic! Then below the whole Moody map, click the 640x480 "window" (as before) and then, this time, click on the second to left "zoom" button. Then direct your pointer toward the bottom left of the Cathedral spire-- and, very carefully, do a FINAL click. What should be clearly shown is much of the same Cathedral detail that can still be seen today, even though the upper part of the spire was rebuilt in the 1892 and the sanctuary interior was almost totally gutted in a 1935 fire. Then compare this image with a recent photo of the Cathedral at one of the above URLs, especially: http://www.msoe.edu/~reyer/mke/1847b.jpg Also note the old small Milwaukee County Courthouse (with belfry) to the left of the Cathedral. This Courthouse (plus another County structure to the right of it) disappeared long ago, and this whole former County Courthouse block is now known as "Cathedral Square." Sadly, other than Lake Michigan and the Milwaukee River, not much else in this 1854 view still survives. But one of the buildings shown is the large US Hotel (begun in 1844) at the NE corner of modern N. Water and Clybourn. The 1854 Milwaukee directory suggests that my great-grandfather Jonathan Magie was living there when the hotel was destroyed by fire in late 1854. And I'm very happy he survived. This fire was several months before his 1855 marriage at old St. Paul's Episcopal Church (also shown in the Moody view) at the NE corner of Mason & Jefferson. Old St. Paul's was presumably demolished when present St. Paul's (NE corner of Knapp & Marshall) was built in the 1880s. Many thanks to Bob of Brookfield for your long checklists of Milwaukee bibliographical references on my Ogden, Armour, Higby, Magie, Higby, and Eldred relatives. I'm a bit overwhelmed by all this-- and I now sure have a lot of work cut out for me during my next visit (long delayed) to the main Milwaukee Public Library. I'm assuming that very few of these references are included in the official indexes appended to these historical volumes. Bob, is this CORRECT? More about all this, Bob, via private e-mail-- soon (I trust). Finally I might point out that I'm also writing the above for several relatives that have historical interests-- a few, like me, to almost an hysterical extent. And I'm sorry that my WiMilwau postings tend to be rather long-winded-- and probably less terrific than SOPORIFIC. ........John (in Chicago) ___________________________________________________ <<Subj: [WiMilwau] E. Milwaukee Avenue, Wauwatosa? Date: 7/6/01 6:27:07 PM Central Daylight Time From: pforden@dimensional.com (Penny Ford) Reply-to: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com To: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com I have not been able to locate the address of Ferdinand Hintz, my 2x great uncle, on Yahoo maps, etc. The address is 199 E. Milwaukee Avenue, Wauwatosa -- the year was 1931....... Penny Ziemer Ford>> ___________________________________________________ <<Subj: Re: [WiMilwau] E. Milwaukee Avenue, Wauwatosa? Date: 7/6/01 7:31:55 PM Central Daylight Time From: Gartzr@aol.com Reply-to: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com To: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com Penny ......got the street index from the Milwaukee Map Service, Inc. It covers both Milwaukee and Waukesha Counties. No East Milwaukee Ave. listed anywhere in either of the counties...... Bob of Brookfield>> ___________________________________________________ PS from JQM: all Wauwatosa address now seem to be tied to the City of Milwaukee system and range from 6200 to 8299 Milwaukee Ave. See: http://www.usps.gov/ncsc/lookups/lookup_zip+4.html