~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 8/12/01 to JQMagie, Shari writes: << John...... Careful with using an address from 1890 and then comparing it to an address of today. Milwaukee re-numbered some or all of their streets in 1930...... Can't help you with any other information.       Shari >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Shari-- you make an important point, and many thanks for your note. Although I think I'm fairly knowledgeable about Milwaukee's changing address systems, even going back to the 1840s (see below my somewhat corrected WiMilwau posting of last January), nevertheless many listers probably aren't very conscious of all this. And frequent reminders, such as yours, are very worthwhile. I don't seem to have any info on the exact date that the old 1865 address system was replaced by the current system. Do you know, Shari, or does anyone else, whether this changeover occurred on some exact date in 1930-- or is 1930 just an approximation? Note (below) that the 1889 and 1890 Milwaukee directories that I quoted (below) gave no street addresses for the Milwaukee Orphan Asylum, but the 1889 directory located it specifically at the NE corner of Prospect and North avenues, and both remain important Milwaukee streets-- and the names of these two streets have probably remained the same since Milwaukee early history. A few days ago, here at my Chicago computer, I noticed that when I switched around the address star (or pointer) on Mapquest's online maps <http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py>, while checking various address guesses of mine, I could calculate the current address of the NE corner of Prospect & North, as roughly 2301 N Prospect Ave-- or 2200 E North Ave. Then I entered these two addresses on Switchboard.com's business "Search by Distance" page <http://www.switchboard.com/bin/cgidir.dll?func=dstsrch> and concluded that possible current occupants of the NE corner of North and Prospect included one or more of the four public service agencies that I listed in my "Milwaukee Orphan Asylum" posting of 8/10/01 (see revised duplicate below). Partly on the basis of kind responses from both Mary Popovich and Ashley Tiwara, one of the first two agencies listed below now seems more likely as a possible successor to the old Milwaukee Orphan Asylum. And to Bob of Brookfield---> where ARE you when I need you?!? My inquiry below now needs your wondrous expertise. ..........John ======================================================== << Subj: Milwaukee Orphan Asylum Date: 8/10/01 10:55:35 PM CDT From: JQMagie@aol.com To: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com __________________________________________________________ http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4749.htm 1889 Milwaukee Directory: Milwaukee Orphan Asylum n. e. corner Prospect avenue and North 1890 Milwaukee Directory: Milwaukee Orphan Asylum corner Prospect and North avs. Harriet Armour (widow M. G.) North avenue, n. w. corner Prospect avenue __________________________________________________________ Before my Ancestry.com 14-Day Trial freebie (see below) expired, I printed out the above Milwaukee directory listings for 1889 and 1890. I have an old family scrapbook that was begun in Milwaukee in the 1850s and that indicates that several ancestors and relatives of mine were very actively involved as officers and donors of the old Milwaukee Orphan Asylum, which appears to have been known as the Protestant Orphan Asylum in the 1870s-- and probably earlier. Like Forest Home Cemetery, it may have had ties to Milwaukee's St. Paul's Episcopal Church Switchboard.com and the Mapquest maps at Yahoo <http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py> suggests that the following agencies are now on or near the 1890 location of the Milwaukee Orphan Asylum. Does anyone know whether this Asylum still exists under some more "politically correct" name? Or is one of these agencies a descendant of this Asylum? (I forget what WIC means): WIC Programs 2220 E North Ave Milwaukee 53202 414-291-0572 Milwaukee Area Health Ctr 2220 E North Ave Milwaukee 53202 414-226-2432 Milwaukee Catholic Home 2330 N Prospect Ave Milwaukee 53211 414-220-8494 Columbia-St Mary's School 2330 N Prospect Ave Milwaukee 53211 414-220-8494 ...........John >> ======================================================== << Subj: [MILWAUKEE CO] City addresses since 1847 Date: 1/4/01 4:02:28 PM CDT From: JQMagie@aol.com To: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com City of Milwaukee ADDRESSES since 1847 from some notes I made about 12 years ago. ...... There seem to have been no radical changes between the first Milwaukee city directory in 1847 and 1865. But during the Civil War, on 1 Jan 1865, Milwaukee's city address system was substantially altered, apparently at the urging of the US Post Office in Washington, DC. And this 1865 system seems to have remained essentially intact until the current system was adopted about 1930. The main Milwaukee Public Library has good info on translating the City of Milwaukee's 1865-ca.1910 addresses into current addresses, but doesn't seem to have much on pre-1865 addresses. But one way of translating 1865 and pre-1865 addresses is through comparing 1865 addresses with those in the previous 1863 directory. Also helpful are late 19th century Milwaukee insurance atlases and the ancient tax assessment volumes (that go back to the 1840s)-- both also at the main Milwaukee Public Library and great (but little-known) supplements to the Milwaukee County Court House deeds. To illustrate changing addresses, see Milwaukee's principal business street in the 19th century--> now called Water St., but formerly known as EAST WATER ST. (present Plankinton Ave. was formerly WEST WATER ST.). In 1864 the present southeast corner of Wisconsin Ave. & Water St. was 188 East Water, but became 399 East Water in 1865 and has been 699 N. Water (or 201 E. Wisconsin) since ca. 1930. My g-g-grandfather Elisha Eldred established a real estate office there in the mid 1840s and, in early 1860 (a few months before his July 22 death), he sold this land to James B. Martin. Erected in late 1860, the ironclad Martin Block (also known as the Iron Block) was prefabricated in New York City and still stands at this corner-- and was recently restored to its old pre-Civil War grandeur. See nice early photo + info at: http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/wi/wi0000/wi0030/photos/170461pv.jpg http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/hh:@band(wi+milwaukee) [Milwaukee building #49 ?] >> ========================================================