old Grand Avenue, Milwaukee-- originally known as Spring Street-- renamed Grand Avenue in the 1870s and West Wisconsin Avenue in 1927. To Bob of Brookfield, etc.-- I got intrigued by your Kneeland family questions-- and (fortunately or unfortunately) the following has evolved into another one of my long-winded memos. I typed up the following to e-mail you off-list-- but I've concluded it had enough general interest to send to WiMilwau list as a whole. Hopefully I'm GIVING something for a change, rather than just RECEIVING (the former is reportedly more blessed). Hopefully also my present memo doesn't arrive with any horrible diseases, such as anthrax, small pox, badtrans B, leprosy, melissa, bubonic plague, hybris, etc. Yesterday, thanks be to God, Housecall.antivirus.com (surprisingly) certified me to be AS CLEAN AS A WHISTLE. Many thanks again, Bob, for all your wonderful lookups at Milwaukee's Forest Home Cemetery. And hopefully someone will find a few helpful odds & ends below. I've now looked at what online evidence I could quickly find, and I feel fairly certain that Moses Kneeland (b. 2 Apr 1809? in CT) and James Kneeland (b. 12 Feb 1816 in NY), both buried at Forest Home, are HALF BROTHERS, both children of David Kneeland Jr. (b. 23 Aug 1772 in CT)-- but by different mothers (see below). The 1840 Census seems to show both James and Moses living in rural Genesee County in western NY state-- only about 15 miles apart. And the 1850 Census locates James in Milwaukee's 3rd Ward (where my ancestor Elisha Eldred was then living at the NE corner of Jackson and Michigan), while Moses was located west of the Milwaukee River-- in Milwaukee's 4th Ward (where Elisha moved in 1859). Also, Moses' full brother Joel seems to have then been living close to Moses in 1850, while their older full brother Sylvester Kneeland remained in upstate NY. My copies of Henry F. Walling's valuable 1858 Milwaukee County landownership map (I printed these out from Library of Congress microfiche several years ago) shows much of the 4th Ward land to the southwest of St. James Episcopal Church, SW corner of 9th & Spring (now W. Wisconsin Ave.), was then owned by James Kneeland. The present St. James Church (stone) was begun in 1867, but I've read that the older adjoining frame church continued to be used as a parish house until the 1920s. My recollection is that a 1870s map also shows a large open area labeled "Kneeland's Park" on this James Kneeland property. My 1858 map copies also shows that a six city block area bounded by modern State & Wisconsin on the north & south, and 14th & 16th on the east & west, was then owned by Elisha (now mostly Marquette University land), and Elisha built his big new house at the south end of this rugged and heavily forested property in 1858-1859-- about halfway between modern Wisconsin & Wells. This home (I have an old antebellum photo of it) was occupied by the Levi J. Kellogg family beginning in 1867 and unfortunately demolished about 1900. Maybe you'll recognize some of the other KNEELANDs listed below, especially in Ancestry.com's online 1860 WI census. ........John (in Chicago) =================================================== http://familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp [IGI parent searches:] KNEELAND Father: David Kneeland [Jr.], Mother: Statira Williams Exact Spelling: Off Film Number: 456238 Results: International Genealogical Index/North America (7 matches) 1. Statira Williams KNEELAND - F Birth: Jan 1799 Marlboro, Hartford, Connecticut 2. Julia KNEELAND - F Birth: 17 Nov 1800 Marlboro, Hartford, Connecticut 3. Sylvester W. KNEELAND - M Birth: 27 May 1803 Marlboro, Hartford, Connecticut 4. Joel KNEELAND - M Birth: 19 Jan 1805 Marlboro, Hartford, Connecticut 5. Olivia KNEELAND - F Birth: 3 Apr 1807 Marlboro, Hartford, Connecticut 6. Moses KNEELAND - M Birth: 2 Apr 1809 Marlboro, Hartford, Connecticut 7. Phila KNEELAND - F Birth: 27 Oct 1810 Marlboro, Hartford, Connecticut _______________________________________________ Father: David Kneeland [Jr.], Mother: Catherine Pierson Exact Spelling: Off Film Number: 1761064 Results: International Genealogical Index/North America (3 matches) 1. James KNEELAND - M Birth: 12 Feb 1816 Leroy, Genesee, New York 2. David Pierson KNEELAND - M Birth: 10 Nov 1818 Leroy, Genesee, New York 3. Caroline Catherine KNEELAND - F Birth: 24 Jun 1821 Leroy, Genesee, New York =================================================== http://familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp David KNEELAND [JR.] Birth: 23 Aug 1772 Marlboro, Hartford, Connecticut Father: David KNEELAND Mother: Mercy Pepoon KNEELAND IGI Film Number: 456238 ______________________________________ [first wife of David Kneeland Jr.] Statira WILLIAMS Sex: F Birth: 10 Apr 1777 Marlboro, Hartford, Connecticut Father: Lt. Thomas WILLIAMS IGI Film Number: 170687 ________________________ Statira WILLIAMS Spouse: David KNEELAND Jr. Marriage: Abt. 1798 Hartford Co., Connecticut IGI Film Number: 456238 ______________________________________ [second wife of David Kneeland Jr.] Catherine PIERSON (AFN: 1208-DZB) Birth: 1791 Duanesburg [NY?] Father: Joseph PIERSON (AFN: 1208-DDS) Mother: Sarah WATEROUS (AFN: 1208-D2Q) Marriage(s): Spouse: M HANNA (AFN: 1208-DG7) Spouse: D KNEELAND (AFN: 1208-DVP) Spouse: BATCHELDER (AFN: 1208-DX4) Catherine PIERSON (AFN: 1208-DZB) FamilySearch™ Ancestral File v4.19 ________________________ Catherine PIERSON Spouse: DAVID KNEELAND JR Marriage: Abt. 1815 Genesee Co., New York IGI Film Number: 1761064 ============================================= http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=nycen&gs=kneeland US CENSUS: 1820 KNEELAND DAVID Ontario County NY 196 Geneseo 1830 KNEELAND DAVID Livingston County NY 006 Geneseo 1840 KNEELAND JAMES Genesee County NY 625 Elba 1840 LIVELAND MOSES Genesee County NY 381 Le Roy 1850 KNEELAND JAMES Milwaukee County WI 344 Milwaukee Cty 3rd Ward 1850 KNEELAND JOEL Milwaukee County WI 365 Milwaukee Cty 4th Ward 1850 KNEELAND JOHN Milwaukee County WI 397 Milwaukee 5th Ward [related?] 1850 KNEELAND MOSES Milwaukee County WI 363 Milwaukee Cty 4th Ward 1860 KNEELAND BURR Milwaukee County WI 794 7 W. Milwaukee 1860 KNEELAND CORNELIA P. Milwaukee County WI 271 4 W. Milwaukee 1860 KNEELAND ELLEN Milwaukee County WI 793 7 W. Milwaukee 1860 KNEELAND EMOS C.~ Milwaukee County WI 856 7 W. Milwaukee 1860 KNEELAND FRANCES Milwaukee County WI 793 7 W. Milwaukee 1860 KNEELAND HANNAH Milwaukee County WI 856 7 W. Milwaukee 1860 KNEELAND MOSES Milwaukee County WI 793 7 W. Milwaukee ======================================================= [copy of info sent to another WiMilwau lister, August 2001] Milwaukee address system, 1865-1930---> addresses along numbered streets west of the Milwaukee River (according to 1868 Milwaukee directory) -- for example, Fifth Street: 17 Menomonee River 41 Fowler (now St. Paul Ave) 81 Clybourn (still Clybourn St) 121 Sycamore (now Michigan St) 161 Grand Ave. (now Wisconsin Ave) 201 Wells (still Wells St) 241 Cedar (now Kilbourn Ave) 281 State (Tamarack in 1850s) 321 Prairie (now Highland Ave) 361 Chestnut (now Juneau Ave) _________________________________ Some residents of the Grand Ave. (now W. Wisconsin Ave.) area in 1891 (mostly nonresidential in 2001): http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1890milwwi&gs=buck http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1890milwwi&gs=kneeland [etc.] 1891 Milwaukee Elite Directory: Mr. James S. Buck; Mrs. James S. Buck 113 Fourteenth St. Mr. P. Cudahy*; Mrs. P. Cudahy* 1305 Grand Ave. Mrs. William Cudahy* 211 Fourteenth St. Gen. H. C. Hobart; Mrs. H. C. Hobart; Miss Jennie Mower 1200 State St. Mr. B. J. Johnson***; Mrs. B. J. Johnson; Miss Carrie Johnson; Miss Belle Scott 112 Thirteenth St. Mrs. Helen Kellogg [widow Levi Kellogg**]; Mrs. George Godfrey 1416 Grand Ave. [1859 Elisha Eldred House] Mr. H. B. Kellogg; Mrs. H. B. Kellogg; Miss Lilly Kellogg 1416 Grand Ave. Dr. Byron Kilbourn; Misses Kilbourn North Lake, Wis. Miss Cornelia Kneeland; Mrs. Hans Crocker 223 Tenth St. Mr. James Kneeland; Mrs. Gregory Tenth and Grand Ave. Mr. S. D. Luscombe; Mrs. S. D. Luscombe 1504 Grand Ave. Mrs. Alexander Mitchell; Mr. Wm. Crosby; Mrs. Wm. Crosby Jacksonville, Florida Mr. John L. Mitchell; Mrs. John L. Mitchell 183 Ninth St. [Alex Mitchel hose, enlarged 1873] Mr. Geo. W. Mitchell; Mrs. Geo. W. Mitchell Plankinton House Mr. Wm. Mitchell 1103 Grand Ave. Mr. G. W. Ogden; Mrs. G. W. Ogden 138 Eighteenth St. Mr. Henry M. Ogden; Mrs. Henry M. Ogden 2228 State St. Mr. J. Oscar Ogden****; Mrs. J. Oscar Ogden; Miss Alberta; Miss Daisy; Miss Lettie Ogden 198 Eleventh St. Mr. John Plankinton; Mrs. John Plankinton; Miss Elizabeth Plankinton 1503 [also 1505] Grand Ave. [1858 James H. Rogers House, enlarged] Mr. William Plankinton; Mrs. William Plankinton 1527 Grand Ave. [Miss Lizzie Plankinton house, 1432 Grand Ave.-- vacant in 1891] Mr. C. C. Rogers; Mrs. C. C. Rogers 97 Eighteenth Mr. C. D. Rogers; Mrs. C. D. Rogers; Miss Alice; Miss Fannie 909 Grand Ave. Mr. George J. Rogers; Mrs. George J. Rogers; Dr. Fred. C. Rogers; Mr. J. H. Rogers 173 Twenty-First St. Mr. Henry G. Rogers; Mrs. Henry G. Rogers; Miss Laura Rogers 144 Eighth St. Mr. W. P. Rogers; Mrs. W. P. Rogers 1201 Grand Ave. Mr. Edward A. Wadhams***; Mrs. Edward A. Wadhams 187 Twenty-Fifth St Mr. Daniel J. Wells; Mr. Charles Norris; Mrs. Charles Norris 1906 Grand Ave. ___________________________________ other 1891 Milwaukee Elite listings, but somewhat outside the above area: Mr. Frederick Pabst; Mrs. Frederick Pabst; Miss Marie Pabst; Miss Emma Pabst; Mr. Gustave Pabst; Mr. Fred Pabst, Jr. 828 Chestnut St. Mr. Ernst G. Miller*; Mrs. Ernst G. Miller*; Mr. Frederick A. Miller* Cor. 36th and Cedar Sts. Mr. Alfred Uihlein 545 Fifth St. Mr. August Uihlein; Mrs. August Uihlein 332 Galena St. Mr. Jacob Best*****; Mrs. Jacob Best 254 Thirteenth St. ___________________________________ A few notes-- plus more questions for Bob (Bob probably wonders if JQM will EVER stop asking questions): * Likely Roman Catholics (many are very nice!). I believe at least one of these CUDAHYs is buried in Wauwatosa. Are all three above buried there too-- and at what cemetery?? Also, where are Fred and Ernst MILLER buried? Was Fred the founder of Miller Brewing?? Also, I suspect Holy Trinity (adjoining St. Adalberts) is now Milwaukee's oldest Catholic cemetery. Is that correct? ** In 1867 Levi KELLOGG (1817-1873?, bur. Forest Home) + his wife Helen and growing family (at 493 Milwaukee) and JQM's widowed ancestor Mrs. Elisha ELDRED (at 1416 Spring [Grand Ave.] traded houses. Are the Kelloggs related to Louise Phelps Kellogg, 1861-1942 [FH 12-5-15], who is honored in Forest Home's Halls of History? *** Burdette J. JOHNSON, founder of what became the Palmolive Co., which (along with Armour & Co, meat packers) had early ties to Wadhams-Magie Oil Co., founded 1883, and later Magie Bros. Oil Co. (now a Franklin Park, IL, division of Conoco)-- founded 1888 and originally located in a building erected in 1888 and still standing at 56 Fifth St. (now 422 N. Fifth St.), Milwaukee. Also in 1888, Edward A. Wadhams (1846-1916--buried FH 106-0-35) founded Wadhams Oil (later absorbed by Mobil Oil), which later built some of the distinctive Chinese pagoda service stations that still survive in the Milwaukee area. **** Joseph Oscar OGDEN was a first cousin of brothers G W & H M Ogden (listed above) and also a first cousin of JQM's great-grandfather Jonathan Magie (a Ward 7 resident in 1891) and also Malvina Belle Ogden (wife of P D Armour, meat packer). The P D Armour family moved from Milwaukee to Chicago in 1877, probably taking several hundred meat packing jobs with them. You sent me a biography of J. Oscar, who was briefly a Milwaukee dry goods partner of Jonathan Magie about 1849-1850-- but he otherwise seems to have had "little visible means of support," other than his wealthy Cincinnati father, James Kilborn Ogden (1793-1869). ***** the 1890 Milwaukee Directory lists Jacob BEST (father-in-law of Capt. Fred Pabst?) as Treasurer of the <<Wisconsin Anti-Prohibition Publishing Co.>> at 457 E. Water St.