Hi: I have a Rose or Rosa Schulz b. 1840 m. August Breitenbach. I was wondering if you would happen to have her in your family. Looking for her parents or siblings. Thanks, June of Ca.

Mary- Thanks for sharing that link. What a huge task to have to deal with. I think I'll ask at the courthouse in Racine to see how they're dealing with it. I thought I had heard that they have been already working on this. I had heard that the DMV was also asking for another increase in license plate renewals, something like double the current costs. John in Racine WI Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 15:27:36 -0600 > From: "Mary R. Frank" <mrfrank@uwm.edu> > Subject: [WIMILWAU] Wisconsin vital records must be updated - article > in today's Milwaukee J-S > To: Milwaukee Genealogy List <WIMILWAU@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <459ACE48.108@uwm.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > U.S. leaves Wisconsin with cradle, grave costs > > > State required to update old birth and death records > > > http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=547975

Sandy, where did you find them in the 1900 census (under what spelling)? I saw a Michael and Anna Deja on Ancestry for 1910 and 1920, but not for 1900. I assume these are not your Michael and Anastasia? 1910: Michael Deja 58 Anna Deja 55 Laudislava Deja 21 Bernard Deja 18 Helen Deja 13 And again in 1920: Michail Deja 68 Anna Deja 64 Helen Deja 22 Expanding on what John wrote, it looks like Martha married someone named Frank Hegna. John wrote: > Sandy- > > As Ellen stated, the 1890 Census is extremely limited. Another option, if > you belong to a library, is to order the 1895 and 1905 Wisconsin State > Census for Milwaukee County on microfilm, and manually search for your > folks. If a library isn't readily available to you, you can order the same > film through a local Family History Center. There is a rental charge for > ordering through the FHC. If you are in Wisconsin, or better yet, the > greater Milwaukee area, these films may already be available for free > viewing. > > It looks like Martha married on Sep 16, 1896 in Milwaukee. That explains > her. Then there's a marriage for a Frank Deja on Nov 26, 1900 in Manitowoc > County and one for a Frank Deja on Sep 10, 1899 in Portage County. If either > one is your Franz, that would explain his whereabouts for the 1900 census. > By ordering Martha's marriage cert, you may get more answers and other > variations of the surname DEJA. > > John in Racine WI > > Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:04:35 -0600 > >> From: "Ellen- (Milwaukee)" <milwaukee@linkstothepast.com> >> Subject: Re: [WIMILWAU] census-Deja 1890? >> To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <200701022204350093.0107B6DD@mail2.onyourmark.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> There is not an 1890 Census for much of the country. >> >> Here is an article on why. >> >> http://linkstothepast.com/milwaukee/1890cens.html >> >> Ellen- >> >> >> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** >> >> On 1/2/2007 at 9:58 PM sandisgifts70665@peoplepc.com wrote: >> >> >>> Is there not a 1890 census for Milw. Wi,? >>> Mt gr. grand parents are on the NY pass. list as arriving 4/12/1881. >>> with children Franz age 4 b. abt. 1877 poland Germany >>> Martha Deja age 11 months b. abt. 1880 poland Germany >>> >>> I have Michael & Anastasia on 1900 census in Milw Wi. >>> but Franz & Martha must have been moved out by that time, as they are not >>> on it. >>> Is there any way to find out where they went? >>> Thank you for any help I can get on this. Sandy >>> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WIMILWAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

FYI, I did read the post on orphanages, my mom was in one in the 1920s. The info included in the posting didn't have any info on Guardian Angel Orphanage in Elm Grove. As far as attacking the list and members - please stop. As my mother used to tell me, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. Flaming is just not necessary. Terri H.

Sandy- As Ellen stated, the 1890 Census is extremely limited. Another option, if you belong to a library, is to order the 1895 and 1905 Wisconsin State Census for Milwaukee County on microfilm, and manually search for your folks. If a library isn't readily available to you, you can order the same film through a local Family History Center. There is a rental charge for ordering through the FHC. If you are in Wisconsin, or better yet, the greater Milwaukee area, these films may already be available for free viewing. It looks like Martha married on Sep 16, 1896 in Milwaukee. That explains her. Then there's a marriage for a Frank Deja on Nov 26, 1900 in Manitowoc County and one for a Frank Deja on Sep 10, 1899 in Portage County. If either one is your Franz, that would explain his whereabouts for the 1900 census. By ordering Martha's marriage cert, you may get more answers and other variations of the surname DEJA. John in Racine WI Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:04:35 -0600 > From: "Ellen- (Milwaukee)" <milwaukee@linkstothepast.com> > Subject: Re: [WIMILWAU] census-Deja 1890? > To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <200701022204350093.0107B6DD@mail2.onyourmark.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > There is not an 1890 Census for much of the country. > > Here is an article on why. > > http://linkstothepast.com/milwaukee/1890cens.html > > Ellen- > > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 1/2/2007 at 9:58 PM sandisgifts70665@peoplepc.com wrote: > > >Is there not a 1890 census for Milw. Wi,? > >Mt gr. grand parents are on the NY pass. list as arriving 4/12/1881. > >with children Franz age 4 b. abt. 1877 poland Germany > >Martha Deja age 11 months b. abt. 1880 poland Germany > > > >I have Michael & Anastasia on 1900 census in Milw Wi. > >but Franz & Martha must have been moved out by that time, as they are not > >on it. > >Is there any way to find out where they went? > >Thank you for any help I can get on this. Sandy

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Blanche, are your Schulz's from Milwaukee by any chance? One of my Milwaukee families that I haven't spent much time researching back beyond 1880 or so is that of my great-grandma Buchholz (she was my dad's maternal grandmother). Great Grandma Buchholz was born Louisa Schulz. Her father's name was Ludwig. At the moment I can't recall her mother's name because I haven't looked at the line in awhile. Louisa was supposedly born in Milwaukee, though it would have been before birth certificates. I know there were other Schulz men listed on the church records of her children's baptisms, but again, I haven't researched. I believe one of the men was a William Schulz, but there were a large number of William Schulz's here (nevermind William Schultz's). Just wondering if your Schulz name is connected to Milwaukee. mrf blanche7schulz@netscape.net wrote: > > Blanche Schulz > >

I am the lucky owner of a large group photo of 22 gentlemen who worked at the Val Blatz brewery in Milwaukee in 1887. All the men are identified. My own great-grandfather's name is misspelled on it. Here are the names, as listed. If you recognize someone as your ancestor please email me privately with the namnes and I will email you the best photo I can take with my digital camera. Here is the list; G Altmann C Frosch J Himmelbach H Frank J Dietz F Brandl A Blesch A Geringer J Gogeisel J Hoegerl C Sauppe M Beckman A Vierthaler H Jaekle A Braun H Schwarten G Schwemmer F Buchel L Bachmeier M Michels F Muehlbauer A Voelkel All the Best, Peg

I am getting tired of all the bickering. Lets get back to business. Where is the list manager? This is beyond ridiculous!! I'd say it's time to get to quite playing one upmanship. Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: <blanche7schulz@netscape.net> To: <WIMILWAU@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [WIMILWAU] Mary's complaints, unwisely sent on-list > John, > > Get a life. > > Blanche Schulz > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading > spam and email virus protection. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WIMILWAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you very much for the link Ellen, I have read in alot of posted messages about "The Fire" and had no clue what everyone was talking about. lol Good information to know. Sandy -----Original Message----- >From: wimilwau-request@rootsweb.com >Sent: Jan 3, 2007 1:01 AM >To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com >Subject: WIMILWAU Digest, Vol 2, Issue 2 > > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Milwaukee orphanages since 1848 (Mary R. Frank) > 2. Wisconsin vital records must be updated - article in today's > Milwaukee J-S (Mary R. Frank) > 3. Mary's complaints, unwisely sent on-list (JQMagie@aol.com) > 4. Re: Mary's complaints, unwisely sent on-list (Drhomanjr@aol.com) > 5. Re: Wisconsin vital records must be updated - article in > today's M... (GipCWoman@aol.com) > 6. census-Deja 1890? (sandisgifts70665@peoplepc.com) > 7. Re: census-Deja 1890? (Ellen- (Milwaukee)) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 08:54:43 -0600 >From: "Mary R. Frank" <mrfrank@uwm.edu> >Subject: Re: [WIMILWAU] Milwaukee orphanages since 1848 >To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <459A7233.1020102@uwm.edu> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >John, while I'm appreciative of the information you share, the >editorializing about people's motives is unfair. Not only was this a >holiday period (many of us being offline), but also, many of us don't >have (or are unaware of having) orphans in our tree. Furthermore, why >do you so often think that every time someone doesn't answer a question >that it's because they are uninterested or somehow negligent? How can >we answer a question we know nothing about? Hunh? Who is it that you >think is refusing to give away all this information, anyway? I don't >know about other people on this list, but I'm here to share, when I can, >and to learn when I don't know something. There's no big genealogy guru >out here, that I know of, who can just magically answer people's >questions. It takes research, and research takes time. Some of us have >more time than others, or more opportunity to share (living in >Milwaukee, I count myself blessed to have the chance to look things up >for myself and others, time permitting). Impugning people's motives is >tediously unhelpful and makes what used to be a very friendly list a >difficult place to be. > >By the way, I did copy a list of the orphanages listed in the 1910 >Wright's directory, and have emailed Ken that I'd be happy to send him a >copy of the 2-page list. If anyone else wants a copy, they can contact >me off the list. > >mrf > > >JQMagie@aol.com wrote: >> Here on the WiMilwau list apparently the only way to successfully deliver a >> message is to just keep repeating it. So below is a duplicate of some >> Milwaukee orphanage info I posted over a year ago (in turn, a repeat of much older >> posted info from me.) >> >> St. Aemillian-Lakeside, Inc. (http://www.st-al.org/history.htm) at 8901 W. >> Capitol Drive in Milwaukee has told me that almost all records on Milwaukee >> orphans since the 1840s is at their campus and/or the adjoining St. Rose >> campus. I'm unclear on their policies on sharing this info. But why so few >> WiMilwau listers apparently seem interested in all this remains a mystery to me >> .................John (in metro Chicago) >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: Milwaukee orphanages since 1848 >> Date: 12/8/2005 4:15:08 A.M. Central Standard Time >> From: JQMagie@aol.com >> To: JanThatcher@charter.net, WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com >> >> Many thanks for your note below, Janet. Actually I've been somewhat >> surprised that, as far as I know, no one else has expressed any interest in my >> WiMilwau posting of Dec. 2 on Milwaukee orphanages, plus my follow-up posting of >> Dec. 5. >> >> In an old scrapbook begun in the late 1840s by my Milwaukee >> great-great-grandmother Sarah Ann Eldred (nee Higby), 1802-1879, there are many ancient >> Milwaukee newspaper clippings on her helping organize the Milwaukee Protestant >> Orphan Asylum in 1849 and on the subsequent substantial volunteer involvement in >> that institution by both her and her children. Sarah and her husband, >> Elisha Eldred, 1796-1860, a leading early Milwaukee real estate and railroad >> developer, had moved to Milwaukee in 1842 from the Cooperstown, NY, area. >> >> I TOO became curious about what had happened to the above orphanage, plus >> St. Aemillian and St. Rose (both originally Roman Catholic), and I was >> surprised to find that all three continue to exist OVER 150 YEARS LATER-- even though >> their mission today is essentially no longer the custodial care of orphans >> (now mostly in foster homes). St. Aemillian was actually located south of >> Milwaukee (in St. Francis, WI) from 1854 to 1930-- and presumably several other >> Milwaukee County localities had separate orphan homes. >> >> I suggest you first check out the helpful website of St. Aemillian-Lakeside >> (http://www.st-al.org), including the list of staff, and then call them at >> 800-840-1880 or 414-463-1880. I haven't yet visited their main campus at 8901 >> West Capitol Drive in Milwaukee, and I just noticed that they maintain branch >> facilities at Racine, Waukesha, West Bend, and Sheboygan-- all outside of >> Milwaukee County ......John >> __________________________________________________ >> >> -----Original message----- >> On 12/7/05, at 11:26:49 PM CST, JanThatcher@charter.net writes >> >> I noticed the following posting on the Milwaukee Rootsweb list. >> >> .....Your post was incredibly important to me because I did not know what >> happened to this institution. It looks like it was renamed Lakeside Children's >> Center in 1943 and then merged with St. Aemilian-Lakeside. >> >> Do you have any idea how I would I go about seeing if there are any records >> for my ancestors that have been kept by the surviving institution of St. >> Aemilian-Lakeside? >> >> Janet in California >> >> >> >> >> Subject: [WiMilwau] Milwaukee orphanages since 1848 >> Date: 12/5/2005 2:59:45 A.M. Central Standard Time >> From: JQMagie@aol.com >> To: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com >> >> St. Aemilian-Lakeside, Inc. >> >> There are probably many people who know more about all this than I do, but I >> feel confident that almost all Milwaukee area BOYS in orphanages since >> the late 1840s were tied to what is now known as St. Aemilian-Lakeside-- a >> 1989 merger of two large institutions, one Catholic and one Protestant. >> >> Also, my guess is that most Milwaukee area GIRLS in orphanages since 1848 >> were tied to what is now St. Rose Youth & Family Center-- now an >> independent, >> nonsectarian, nonprofit organization that was formerly tied to the Milwaukee >> Catholic Archdiocese and known in the 19th century as St Rose Orphan >> Asylum. >> But maybe there have been other Milwaukee female orphanages over the years, >> including possibly St. Vincent. >> >> St. Rose Youth & Family Center, Inc. >> >> http://www.strosecenter.org >> 3801 N. 88th St., Milwaukee, WI 53222 >> Phone: (414) 466-9450 >> >> I just checked a map and see that both St. Aemilian-Lakeside and St. Rose >> now adjoin each other (with the same zip code) on a single large campus >> southwest of Capitol Drive and 88th Street, Milwaukee. >> >> In the 1890s and for many years thereafter, St. Rose was located at the NW >> corner of North and Lake Drive, just east the Milwaukee Protestant Orphan >> Asylum (renamed Lakeside Children's Center in 1943). Meanwhile, from >> 1854-1930, >> St. Aemillian was located South of Milwaukee on the big extant lakeside >> campus of St. Francis Seminary ......John >> >> >> >> >> >> Subj: Milwaukee orphanages since 1849 >> Date: 12/2/2005 7:27:35 A.M. CST >> From: JQMagie >> To: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com >> >> I've been meaning to reiterate the following. St. Aemilian-Lakeside, Inc, >> of Milwaukee, to which my Eldred and Magie ancestors supported, especially >> in >> its early years, in extensive volunteer labor and substantial financial >> assistance, apparently remains an incredibly important repository of >> Milwaukee >> orphanage records since 1849. >> >> http://www.st-al.org >> >> St. Aemilian-Lakeside, Inc. >> 8901 West Capitol Drive, Milwaukee, WI 53222 >> (414) 463-1880 or (800) 840-1880 >> (414) 463-2770 fax >> >> The Milwaukee Protestant Orphan Asylum that my family helped organize in >> 1849 was formerly in a large 1887 building at the NE corner of Prospect and >> North avenues in Milwaukee. In 1943, as foster care became more important, >> it >> was renamed "Lakeside Children's Center." St. Aemilian's Orphan Asylum had >> been founded by Milwaukee's Roman Catholic Archdiocese in 1850. And the >> two >> large and ancient institutions formally merged on January 1, 1989, as ST. >> AEMILIAN-LAKESIDE, INC-- a private, not-for-profit, non-sectarian, >> residential >> treatment center for boys. I'm not clear on this-- but I think that, while >> the >> emphasis over the years at both institutions has been on boys, this may no >> longer be true. >> >> >> >> >> Subj: Re: [WIMILWAU] Help >> Date: 12/30/2006 5:31:16 P.M. Central Standard Time >> From: milwaukee@linkstothepast.com >> To: wimilwau@rootsweb. >> >> ......I have a list of orphanages on my site. It is an early list, some of >> them were still in existence in 1910, but I don't have a current list to help >> you for the 1910 time period. >> http://linkstothepast.com/milwaukee/mkebenev.html >> >> Good Luck in your search. >> Ellen- >> >> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** >> >> On 12/30/2006 at 5:21 PM K Wilhelm wrote: >> >> >>> Ellen >>> >>> I greatly appreciate your interest and help, however, the father John died >>> in August of 1910 and the boys, my father Fred and Uncle Roland were later >>> sent to an orphanage. I am trying to trace them to an orphanage since they >>> fall off the radar screen until my father joins the Navy around 1919. Am >>> trying to fill that gap. >>> >>> Thanks again and have a Happy and Healthy New Year. >>> >>> Ken in NC ......... >>> >>> >>>> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** >>>> >>>> On 12/26/2006 at 8:39 AM K Wilhelm wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I am looking for a list of orphanages that were operating in Milwaukee in >>>>> the 1910 period. My father, Frederick Wilhelm, and his younger brother >>>>> Roland, ages 10 and 7 were sent to an orphanage after their fathers' >>>>> death in May of 1910. As the story goes their stay was as brief as >>>>> possible since they were not happy there and they ran away. >>>>> >>>>> I have searched census records to no avail, perhaps the count was >>>>> completed before their attendance, and am certain they were gone >>>>> before the next census. >>>>> Any help would be gratefully appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Ken Wilhelm >>>>> Pinehurst, NC >>>>> >> _____________________________________________________________________________ >> >> (PS from JQM to Ken: sadly my older brother Peter M. Magie of 490 Central >> Dr., Southern Pines, NC 28387, died of cancer on 9/23/2002 in adjoining >> Pinehurst, NC) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WIMILWAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 15:27:36 -0600 >From: "Mary R. Frank" <mrfrank@uwm.edu> >Subject: [WIMILWAU] Wisconsin vital records must be updated - article > in today's Milwaukee J-S >To: Milwaukee Genealogy List <WIMILWAU@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <459ACE48.108@uwm.edu> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > U.S. leaves Wisconsin with cradle, grave costs > > > State required to update old birth and death records > > >http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=547975 > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:13:09 EST >From: JQMagie@aol.com >Subject: [WIMILWAU] Mary's complaints, unwisely sent on-list >To: mrfrank@uwm.edu, wimilwau@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <cb1.7aff8f5.32cc32f5@aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > >Mary-- I feel you have, very intelligently & clearly, added a lot of value >to this WiMilwau list over the past few years. But I also feel that your >personal attack on me today (below) is VERY out of place as an ON-LIST WiMilwau >post. You might have decided today to add some harmony to the WiMilwau list, >instead of going in your own very different direction. > >I view much (but not all) of what you say below as goofy, unreasonable, and >unfair (as I will explain later off-list). But, more importantly, I think >you would have been wise, as well as much more courteous, had your complaints >been sent (at least initially) to me privately-- i.e., OFF-LIST. > >You say nothing below, positive or negative, about the SUBSTANCE of my >somewhat long-winded 12/31/06 "Milwaukee orphanages since 1848" post. Instead of >criticizing the MESSAGE (which might well have been helpful), you have >disagreeably decided to complain vigorously about the MESSENGER (i.e., me). > >I have no idea whose or what motives you feel I've been "impugning." But >perhaps, Mary, you feel that in my 12/31/06 post, I was somehow criticizing >YOU. So let me assure you that was not my intention whatsoever. Yet I do wish >that those that are voluntarily or officially in charge of websites that >provide Milwaukee County genealogical resources would be more willing to accept >updated info-- while I'm mindful that we are all providing volunteer labor, >which has its own slow pace. > >While I remain busy with ongoing holiday activities and out-of-town >visitors, I do intend, Mary, to respond to your unfair attacks below in more detail, >WHEN time permits. But I do not plan to dignify them with any more on-list >discussion. My response will be OFF-LIST, even though this is a courtesy you >didn't extend to me today. And hopefully I'll see no more posts about all >this from you until you at least get my private response. > >Mary, etc.-- let's try to lighten up a bit, turn off the anger (and hurt?) >for at least a few minutes, and at least pretend that the holiday season >hasn't ended. > >I've been contributing to the WiMilwau RootsWeb off and on (mostly the >latter) for some six years-- far longer than you, I suspect. And I've always felt >I had very good relations with other listers, until a few months ago--when >some guy mysteriously and disagreeably started complaining, frequently when I >posted something new, "what does that have to do with genealogy." Finally I >sent him an annoyed OFF-LIST note to him, which then resulted in more ON-LIST >abuse from him-- and possibly your complaint below as well. I really feel >sad and mystified why this guy seems so mad at me. And your moral support in >this matter would have been nice-- but was clearly missing. > >I'm an occasionally grumpy Senior Citizen who's been working on and off on >genealogy for over forty years, along with other family members. We have over > 10,000 people in our database, and there are very few mysteries left >relating to my family and cousins over the past few hundred years (including >Milwaukee relatives going back to the mid-1830s). > >Thus my involvement in this WiMilwau list stems almost entirely from my >desire to post general genealogy ideas and help less experienced genealogists in >their own research (as time permits). > >Maybe I've stepped on a few toes in doing the above, although I'm not clear >how. But, if so, I certainly apologize. > >I feel that four or five years ago people on this seem to have had much more >fun-- and also were more "Renaissance" in their approach to history and >other interests. So I feel sad that some people on the current WiMilwau list >seem to have so little sense of humor. Yes, my impression is that too many >WiMilwau listers take themselves far too seriously .............John (in >metro Chicago) > >______________________________________________________________________________ >___ > > > >Subj: Re: [WIMILWAU] Milwaukee orphanages since 1848 >Date: 1/2/2007 8:55:59 A.M. Central Standard Time >From: mrfrank@uwm.edu >Reply-to: wimilwau@rootsweb.com >To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com > >John, while I'm appreciative of the information you share, the >editorializing about people's motives is unfair. Not only was this a >holiday period (many of us being offline), but also, many of us don't >have (or are unaware of having) orphans in our tree. Furthermore, why >do you so often think that every time someone doesn't answer a question >that it's because they are uninterested or somehow negligent? How can >we answer a question we know nothing about? Hunh? Who is it that you >think is refusing to give away all this information, anyway? I don't >know about other people on this list, but I'm here to share, when I can, >and to learn when I don't know something. There's no big genealogy guru >out here, that I know of, who can just magically answer people's >questions. It takes research, and research takes time. Some of us have >more time than others, or more opportunity to share (living in >Milwaukee, I count myself blessed to have the chance to look things up >for myself and others, time permitting). Impugning people's motives is >tediously unhelpful and makes what used to be a very friendly list a >difficult place to be. > >By the way, I did copy a list of the orphanages listed in the 1910 >Wright's directory, and have emailed Ken that I'd be happy to send him a >copy of the 2-page list. If anyone else wants a copy, they can contact >me off the list. > >mrf >______________________________________________________________________________ >___ > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:43:12 EST >From: Drhomanjr@aol.com >Subject: Re: [WIMILWAU] Mary's complaints, unwisely sent on-list >To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <417.1269e298.32cc4810@aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > >I always did love a good cat fight! Get er done girls! > >;>) > >Me > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:43:46 EST >From: GipCWoman@aol.com >Subject: Re: [WIMILWAU] Wisconsin vital records must be updated - > article in today's M... >To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <bbb.b2b4292.32cc5642@aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Thank you for sharing this.... > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:58:28 -0600 >From: <sandisgifts70665@peoplepc.com> >Subject: [WIMILWAU] census-Deja 1890? >To: <wimilwau@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <001001c72eeb$6ecb7bd0$229894ce@yourc8bh3jaglt> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Is there not a 1890 census for Milw. Wi,? >Mt gr. grand parents are on the NY pass. list as arriving 4/12/1881. >with children Franz age 4 b. abt. 1877 poland Germany >Martha Deja age 11 months b. abt. 1880 poland Germany > >I have Michael & Anastasia on 1900 census in Milw Wi. >but Franz & Martha must have been moved out by that time, as they are not on it. >Is there any way to find out where they went? >Thank you for any help I can get on this. Sandy > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:04:35 -0600 >From: "Ellen- (Milwaukee)" <milwaukee@linkstothepast.com> >Subject: Re: [WIMILWAU] census-Deja 1890? >To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <200701022204350093.0107B6DD@mail2.onyourmark.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >There is not an 1890 Census for much of the country. > >Here is an article on why. > >http://linkstothepast.com/milwaukee/1890cens.html > >Ellen- > > >*********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > >On 1/2/2007 at 9:58 PM sandisgifts70665@peoplepc.com wrote: > >>Is there not a 1890 census for Milw. Wi,? >>Mt gr. grand parents are on the NY pass. list as arriving 4/12/1881. >>with children Franz age 4 b. abt. 1877 poland Germany >>Martha Deja age 11 months b. abt. 1880 poland Germany >> >>I have Michael & Anastasia on 1900 census in Milw Wi. >>but Franz & Martha must have been moved out by that time, as they are not >>on it. >>Is there any way to find out where they went? >>Thank you for any help I can get on this. 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There is not an 1890 Census for much of the country. Here is an article on why. http://linkstothepast.com/milwaukee/1890cens.html Ellen- *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 1/2/2007 at 9:58 PM sandisgifts70665@peoplepc.com wrote: >Is there not a 1890 census for Milw. Wi,? >Mt gr. grand parents are on the NY pass. list as arriving 4/12/1881. >with children Franz age 4 b. abt. 1877 poland Germany >Martha Deja age 11 months b. abt. 1880 poland Germany > >I have Michael & Anastasia on 1900 census in Milw Wi. >but Franz & Martha must have been moved out by that time, as they are not >on it. >Is there any way to find out where they went? >Thank you for any help I can get on this. Sandy > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WIMILWAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is there not a 1890 census for Milw. Wi,? Mt gr. grand parents are on the NY pass. list as arriving 4/12/1881. with children Franz age 4 b. abt. 1877 poland Germany Martha Deja age 11 months b. abt. 1880 poland Germany I have Michael & Anastasia on 1900 census in Milw Wi. but Franz & Martha must have been moved out by that time, as they are not on it. Is there any way to find out where they went? Thank you for any help I can get on this. Sandy

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Mary-- I feel you have, very intelligently & clearly, added a lot of value to this WiMilwau list over the past few years. But I also feel that your personal attack on me today (below) is VERY out of place as an ON-LIST WiMilwau post. You might have decided today to add some harmony to the WiMilwau list, instead of going in your own very different direction. I view much (but not all) of what you say below as goofy, unreasonable, and unfair (as I will explain later off-list). But, more importantly, I think you would have been wise, as well as much more courteous, had your complaints been sent (at least initially) to me privately-- i.e., OFF-LIST. You say nothing below, positive or negative, about the SUBSTANCE of my somewhat long-winded 12/31/06 "Milwaukee orphanages since 1848" post. Instead of criticizing the MESSAGE (which might well have been helpful), you have disagreeably decided to complain vigorously about the MESSENGER (i.e., me). I have no idea whose or what motives you feel I've been "impugning." But perhaps, Mary, you feel that in my 12/31/06 post, I was somehow criticizing YOU. So let me assure you that was not my intention whatsoever. Yet I do wish that those that are voluntarily or officially in charge of websites that provide Milwaukee County genealogical resources would be more willing to accept updated info-- while I'm mindful that we are all providing volunteer labor, which has its own slow pace. While I remain busy with ongoing holiday activities and out-of-town visitors, I do intend, Mary, to respond to your unfair attacks below in more detail, WHEN time permits. But I do not plan to dignify them with any more on-list discussion. My response will be OFF-LIST, even though this is a courtesy you didn't extend to me today. And hopefully I'll see no more posts about all this from you until you at least get my private response. Mary, etc.-- let's try to lighten up a bit, turn off the anger (and hurt?) for at least a few minutes, and at least pretend that the holiday season hasn't ended. I've been contributing to the WiMilwau RootsWeb off and on (mostly the latter) for some six years-- far longer than you, I suspect. And I've always felt I had very good relations with other listers, until a few months ago--when some guy mysteriously and disagreeably started complaining, frequently when I posted something new, "what does that have to do with genealogy." Finally I sent him an annoyed OFF-LIST note to him, which then resulted in more ON-LIST abuse from him-- and possibly your complaint below as well. I really feel sad and mystified why this guy seems so mad at me. And your moral support in this matter would have been nice-- but was clearly missing. I'm an occasionally grumpy Senior Citizen who's been working on and off on genealogy for over forty years, along with other family members. We have over 10,000 people in our database, and there are very few mysteries left relating to my family and cousins over the past few hundred years (including Milwaukee relatives going back to the mid-1830s). Thus my involvement in this WiMilwau list stems almost entirely from my desire to post general genealogy ideas and help less experienced genealogists in their own research (as time permits). Maybe I've stepped on a few toes in doing the above, although I'm not clear how. But, if so, I certainly apologize. I feel that four or five years ago people on this seem to have had much more fun-- and also were more "Renaissance" in their approach to history and other interests. So I feel sad that some people on the current WiMilwau list seem to have so little sense of humor. Yes, my impression is that too many WiMilwau listers take themselves far too seriously .............John (in metro Chicago) ______________________________________________________________________________ ___ Subj: Re: [WIMILWAU] Milwaukee orphanages since 1848 Date: 1/2/2007 8:55:59 A.M. Central Standard Time From: mrfrank@uwm.edu Reply-to: wimilwau@rootsweb.com To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com John, while I'm appreciative of the information you share, the editorializing about people's motives is unfair. Not only was this a holiday period (many of us being offline), but also, many of us don't have (or are unaware of having) orphans in our tree. Furthermore, why do you so often think that every time someone doesn't answer a question that it's because they are uninterested or somehow negligent? How can we answer a question we know nothing about? Hunh? Who is it that you think is refusing to give away all this information, anyway? I don't know about other people on this list, but I'm here to share, when I can, and to learn when I don't know something. There's no big genealogy guru out here, that I know of, who can just magically answer people's questions. It takes research, and research takes time. Some of us have more time than others, or more opportunity to share (living in Milwaukee, I count myself blessed to have the chance to look things up for myself and others, time permitting). Impugning people's motives is tediously unhelpful and makes what used to be a very friendly list a difficult place to be. By the way, I did copy a list of the orphanages listed in the 1910 Wright's directory, and have emailed Ken that I'd be happy to send him a copy of the 2-page list. If anyone else wants a copy, they can contact me off the list. mrf ______________________________________________________________________________ ___

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John, while I'm appreciative of the information you share, the editorializing about people's motives is unfair. Not only was this a holiday period (many of us being offline), but also, many of us don't have (or are unaware of having) orphans in our tree. Furthermore, why do you so often think that every time someone doesn't answer a question that it's because they are uninterested or somehow negligent? How can we answer a question we know nothing about? Hunh? Who is it that you think is refusing to give away all this information, anyway? I don't know about other people on this list, but I'm here to share, when I can, and to learn when I don't know something. There's no big genealogy guru out here, that I know of, who can just magically answer people's questions. It takes research, and research takes time. Some of us have more time than others, or more opportunity to share (living in Milwaukee, I count myself blessed to have the chance to look things up for myself and others, time permitting). Impugning people's motives is tediously unhelpful and makes what used to be a very friendly list a difficult place to be. By the way, I did copy a list of the orphanages listed in the 1910 Wright's directory, and have emailed Ken that I'd be happy to send him a copy of the 2-page list. If anyone else wants a copy, they can contact me off the list. mrf JQMagie@aol.com wrote: > Here on the WiMilwau list apparently the only way to successfully deliver a > message is to just keep repeating it. So below is a duplicate of some > Milwaukee orphanage info I posted over a year ago (in turn, a repeat of much older > posted info from me.) > > St. Aemillian-Lakeside, Inc. (http://www.st-al.org/history.htm) at 8901 W. > Capitol Drive in Milwaukee has told me that almost all records on Milwaukee > orphans since the 1840s is at their campus and/or the adjoining St. Rose > campus. I'm unclear on their policies on sharing this info. But why so few > WiMilwau listers apparently seem interested in all this remains a mystery to me > .................John (in metro Chicago) > > > > > Subject: Re: Milwaukee orphanages since 1848 > Date: 12/8/2005 4:15:08 A.M. Central Standard Time > From: JQMagie@aol.com > To: JanThatcher@charter.net, WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com > > Many thanks for your note below, Janet. Actually I've been somewhat > surprised that, as far as I know, no one else has expressed any interest in my > WiMilwau posting of Dec. 2 on Milwaukee orphanages, plus my follow-up posting of > Dec. 5. > > In an old scrapbook begun in the late 1840s by my Milwaukee > great-great-grandmother Sarah Ann Eldred (nee Higby), 1802-1879, there are many ancient > Milwaukee newspaper clippings on her helping organize the Milwaukee Protestant > Orphan Asylum in 1849 and on the subsequent substantial volunteer involvement in > that institution by both her and her children. Sarah and her husband, > Elisha Eldred, 1796-1860, a leading early Milwaukee real estate and railroad > developer, had moved to Milwaukee in 1842 from the Cooperstown, NY, area. > > I TOO became curious about what had happened to the above orphanage, plus > St. Aemillian and St. Rose (both originally Roman Catholic), and I was > surprised to find that all three continue to exist OVER 150 YEARS LATER-- even though > their mission today is essentially no longer the custodial care of orphans > (now mostly in foster homes). St. Aemillian was actually located south of > Milwaukee (in St. Francis, WI) from 1854 to 1930-- and presumably several other > Milwaukee County localities had separate orphan homes. > > I suggest you first check out the helpful website of St. Aemillian-Lakeside > (http://www.st-al.org), including the list of staff, and then call them at > 800-840-1880 or 414-463-1880. I haven't yet visited their main campus at 8901 > West Capitol Drive in Milwaukee, and I just noticed that they maintain branch > facilities at Racine, Waukesha, West Bend, and Sheboygan-- all outside of > Milwaukee County ......John > __________________________________________________ > > -----Original message----- > On 12/7/05, at 11:26:49 PM CST, JanThatcher@charter.net writes > > I noticed the following posting on the Milwaukee Rootsweb list. > > .....Your post was incredibly important to me because I did not know what > happened to this institution. It looks like it was renamed Lakeside Children's > Center in 1943 and then merged with St. Aemilian-Lakeside. > > Do you have any idea how I would I go about seeing if there are any records > for my ancestors that have been kept by the surviving institution of St. > Aemilian-Lakeside? > > Janet in California > > > > > Subject: [WiMilwau] Milwaukee orphanages since 1848 > Date: 12/5/2005 2:59:45 A.M. Central Standard Time > From: JQMagie@aol.com > To: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com > > St. Aemilian-Lakeside, Inc. > > There are probably many people who know more about all this than I do, but I > feel confident that almost all Milwaukee area BOYS in orphanages since > the late 1840s were tied to what is now known as St. Aemilian-Lakeside-- a > 1989 merger of two large institutions, one Catholic and one Protestant. > > Also, my guess is that most Milwaukee area GIRLS in orphanages since 1848 > were tied to what is now St. Rose Youth & Family Center-- now an > independent, > nonsectarian, nonprofit organization that was formerly tied to the Milwaukee > Catholic Archdiocese and known in the 19th century as St Rose Orphan > Asylum. > But maybe there have been other Milwaukee female orphanages over the years, > including possibly St. Vincent. > > St. Rose Youth & Family Center, Inc. > > http://www.strosecenter.org > 3801 N. 88th St., Milwaukee, WI 53222 > Phone: (414) 466-9450 > > I just checked a map and see that both St. Aemilian-Lakeside and St. Rose > now adjoin each other (with the same zip code) on a single large campus > southwest of Capitol Drive and 88th Street, Milwaukee. > > In the 1890s and for many years thereafter, St. Rose was located at the NW > corner of North and Lake Drive, just east the Milwaukee Protestant Orphan > Asylum (renamed Lakeside Children's Center in 1943). Meanwhile, from > 1854-1930, > St. Aemillian was located South of Milwaukee on the big extant lakeside > campus of St. Francis Seminary ......John > > > > > > Subj: Milwaukee orphanages since 1849 > Date: 12/2/2005 7:27:35 A.M. CST > From: JQMagie > To: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com > > I've been meaning to reiterate the following. St. Aemilian-Lakeside, Inc, > of Milwaukee, to which my Eldred and Magie ancestors supported, especially > in > its early years, in extensive volunteer labor and substantial financial > assistance, apparently remains an incredibly important repository of > Milwaukee > orphanage records since 1849. > > http://www.st-al.org > > St. Aemilian-Lakeside, Inc. > 8901 West Capitol Drive, Milwaukee, WI 53222 > (414) 463-1880 or (800) 840-1880 > (414) 463-2770 fax > > The Milwaukee Protestant Orphan Asylum that my family helped organize in > 1849 was formerly in a large 1887 building at the NE corner of Prospect and > North avenues in Milwaukee. In 1943, as foster care became more important, > it > was renamed "Lakeside Children's Center." St. Aemilian's Orphan Asylum had > been founded by Milwaukee's Roman Catholic Archdiocese in 1850. And the > two > large and ancient institutions formally merged on January 1, 1989, as ST. > AEMILIAN-LAKESIDE, INC-- a private, not-for-profit, non-sectarian, > residential > treatment center for boys. I'm not clear on this-- but I think that, while > the > emphasis over the years at both institutions has been on boys, this may no > longer be true. > > > > > Subj: Re: [WIMILWAU] Help > Date: 12/30/2006 5:31:16 P.M. Central Standard Time > From: milwaukee@linkstothepast.com > To: wimilwau@rootsweb. > > ......I have a list of orphanages on my site. It is an early list, some of > them were still in existence in 1910, but I don't have a current list to help > you for the 1910 time period. > http://linkstothepast.com/milwaukee/mkebenev.html > > Good Luck in your search. > Ellen- > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 12/30/2006 at 5:21 PM K Wilhelm wrote: > > >> Ellen >> >> I greatly appreciate your interest and help, however, the father John died >> in August of 1910 and the boys, my father Fred and Uncle Roland were later >> sent to an orphanage. I am trying to trace them to an orphanage since they >> fall off the radar screen until my father joins the Navy around 1919. Am >> trying to fill that gap. >> >> Thanks again and have a Happy and Healthy New Year. >> >> Ken in NC ......... >> >> >>> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** >>> >>> On 12/26/2006 at 8:39 AM K Wilhelm wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I am looking for a list of orphanages that were operating in Milwaukee in >>>> the 1910 period. My father, Frederick Wilhelm, and his younger brother >>>> Roland, ages 10 and 7 were sent to an orphanage after their fathers' >>>> death in May of 1910. As the story goes their stay was as brief as >>>> possible since they were not happy there and they ran away. >>>> >>>> I have searched census records to no avail, perhaps the count was >>>> completed before their attendance, and am certain they were gone >>>> before the next census. >>>> Any help would be gratefully appreciated. >>>> >>>> Ken Wilhelm >>>> Pinehurst, NC >>>> > _____________________________________________________________________________ > > (PS from JQM to Ken: sadly my older brother Peter M. Magie of 490 Central > Dr., Southern Pines, NC 28387, died of cancer on 9/23/2002 in adjoining > Pinehurst, NC) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WIMILWAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I found this and it isn't the right one but thought I would put it online so it is "out there" Name of Groom: Ernst Mellier Father: Ferdinand Mellier Mother: Friederike nee Strelow Occupation: Laborer Residence: Milwaukee, WI Place of Birth: Boltenhagen, Pommeran, Germ Name of Bride: Lina Caesar Father: Freidrich Caesar Mother: Sophia nee Block Place of Birth: Dillman, Milwaukee Co., WI Date of Marriage: December 24, 1898 Place of Marriage: 1190 24th St., Milwaukee, Milwaukee Co., WI Type of Service: Lutheran Rites Witnesses: Albert Heiser, Carl Heiser Minister: J. F. Rubel, Minister of the Gospel Address: Corner of Hadley and 23rd St., Milwaukee, WI Date of Certificate: December 24, 1898 Date of Registration: December 29, 1898 The information is located in the Register of Deeds office, Milwaukee County courthouse, Milwaukee, WI, volume 81, page 196, document No. 2977.

I checks the Chicago papers which lists many lists of service men killed in IL, IA, IN & WI. No dice. Sorry. Dale -----Original Message----- From: wimilwau-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wimilwau-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Drhomanjr@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 12:09 PM To: WIMILWAU@rootsweb.com; milwaukee@linkstothepast.com; gendiva@charter.net Subject: [WIMILWAU] Obituary Help Please, John R. HOMAN Killed WWII 1943 Greetings fellow listers, I am looking for assistance in finding an obituary for: 2lt John R Homan, USAAF WWII, who was killed when his B-17 went down in the North Sea on 19 August 1943. His body was never recovered. He is listed on the web site that lists casualties from Wisconsin (the name escapes me at the moment, but I think it is Milwaukee links to the past). I believe he was born in the Menasha area possibly in 1919. I am looking for leads to who his birth parents are. Does he have siblings, etc. Menasha city directory listings from 1941-1944 of any HOMAN's would be helpful too. His name is listed on the memorial for the missing of WWII in Holland. Any help is appreciated. Happy New Year David R. Homan Email: drhomanjr@aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WIMILWAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi David: I looked in the census for 1930 in Menasha, Winnebago County, Wisconsin and I found your John R. Homan as follows: Homan, Adolph - head age 59 - b. Wisconsin (Father b. Germany, Mother b. Germany - Occupation Machinest, working in Machine Shop Homan, Louise, age 42, b. Wisconsin (Father b. Wi. Mother b. Wi. Occ. keeping house Homan, John, age 10, b. Wi. Homan, Marion, age 7, b. Wi. Mills, Nannie, age 53 b. Indiana, Lodger, F. Virginia, M. Indiana, Occ. Housekeeper I Also found this Military Record that might help you: World War II and Korean Conflict Veterans Interred Overseas Name: John R. Homan Inducted from: Wisconsin Rank: Second Lieutenant Combat: 427th Bomber Squadron 303rd Bomber Death date: 19 Aug 1943 Monument: The Netherlands Last Known Status: Missing U. S. AWARDS: Purple Heart Medal Air Medal David, hope this helps you out, if I can look anything else up for you please let me know. Sincerely, June of California