I'm forwarding this email newsletter to the List for two reasons: 1) It contains an excellent review of the two online 1900 censuses from ancestroy.com and genealogy.com. The review gives you a good comparison so you know what to expect before you "buy." Note that Heritage Quest is indexing the 1910 census, but starting with CT and NY. Hopefully, they'll get around to WI someday. 2) There's an article about the "Russians to America" CD. My understanding is that the index includes everyone who was noted as having come from Russia, which would include not onlyRussians, but also Poles, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Belarussians, etc., who were part of the Russian Empire. The index apparently goes up to 1895, so it overlaps a bit with the Ellis Island index, and of course covers the other ports as well. The index was done under Ira Glazier, so presumably it would work very much like the Germans to America Index. Mary Popovich -----Original Message----- From: info@avotaynu.com <info@avotaynu.com> To: Nu? What's New <nuwhatsnew@burst.sparklist.com> Date: Sunday, July 22, 2001 4:24 PM Subject: Nu? What's New? Vol. 2, No. 15 >*********************************************************** > Nu? What's New? > News About Jewish Genealogy > from Avotaynu > Vol. 2, No. 15 - July 22, 2001 > Gary Mokotoff, Editor >************************************************************ > >U.S. censuses are the highlight of this edition of "Nu? What's >New?" The complete 1900 census is on the Internet--both images and >index. Now available on CD-ROM is an index to the 1910 census for >Connecticut with plans to make New York City and New York State >available shortly. > >Indexed 1900 Census Now Available Online from Genealogy.Com >=========================================================== >The first online 20th-century U.S. census--images and index--the >1900 census--is now available at Genealogy.com. Every evidence is >that it is a well-thought-out system. > >The index does not include all persons, just heads of households >and members of the household whose surnames differ from the head of >household. These are typically in-laws, boarders or servants. The >index is organized by state; you search one state at a time. There >are a number of search options--exact name (given and last name), >last name only, or browse the index. When specifying a given name, >there is a valuable feature that is an attempt to show all persons >who have variants of the given name. For example, requesting all >persons named Abraham Goldstein displays persons named Abe >Goldstein as well. A search for David Goldsteins also displayed >persons named Dave Goldstein, yet a search for Jacob Goldstein did >not show persons named Jack. There is no wildcard option. > >It is possible to browse the index. Keying a surname (or partial >surname) brings you to the place in the index where the surname >starts, and then it is possible to browse forward or backward in >the index. This is a very valuable feature when the exact spelling >of a given name is not known (Abram, Abe, Abraham). For example, >browsing for the surname Goldstein brings you to the first person >in the census named Goldstein. It is then possible to browse >forward examining all persons named Goldstein in the index. >Browsing backwards uncovered the surnames Goldsteim, Goldstei, >Goldsteen, and Goldstean. The browse feature is also a useful tool >for valid spelling variants of a surname. For example, Tartasky, >Tartatsky, Tartacki and Tartazky are all variants of the same >surname. Browsing with a search argument of Tarta displays the >index starting at all persons whose name starts with "Tarta". > >Clicking on an index item brings up the image of the page on which >the name appears. Images are very crisp and large (242K), and can >be saved. Important note: Typically U.S. census sheets are two >physical pages, the first with numbered lines 1-50, the second >number 51-100. A not-so-conspicuous note at the top and bottom of >each page view states "Important: If your ancestor is not on the >image below, try viewing the Next Image. Some census pages are on >multiple images." > >Response time was excellent. > >No system is perfect. There are some considerations in using the >system. There is no soundex search option. This is ameliorated >somewhat by the browse feature. Being only a partial index has some >disadvantages. If two boarders (perhaps siblings) have the same >surname, the index only includes the first person. If a recently >arrived immigrant was a boarder with a relative with the same >surname (a brother, for example), the immigrant would not be in the >index. These two examples can be real cases to researchers who may >not have known the circumstance of their ancestor's living >arrangements in 1900. The fact is there were 75 million people >enumerated in the 1900 census, and a complete index would have at >least quadrupled the effort and could not be economically >justified. > >The method of scanning the records is a subject of controversy. >Genealogy.com provides images with only two "colors": black and >white. Advantage: faint images are enhanced. Ancestry.com uses a >gray scale technique. Faint images remain faint but readable, and >darkened areas retain their underlying images. In comparing two >identical census pages at the Genealogy.com and Ancestry.com sites, >the gray-scale technique is preferable. For example, on one page, >information was crossed out and overwritten. The Genealogy.com >image was undecipherable; the Ancestry.com image was readable. > >The 1900 census is valuable to Jewish genealogists because it >includes the year an immigrant ancestor arrived in the U.S. and the >person's naturalization status. The 1900 census database is a fee- >based service. The cost is $14.99 per month or $79.99 for annual >service. The census is located at >http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/1900census.html. > > >Index to the 1910 Census for >New York City, New York State, Connecticut >========================================== >Heritage Quest has indexed the 1910 census for Connecticut and is >in the process of completing the indexing of New York City and New >York State. The indexes are available on three separate CDs. The >U.S. government indexed only selected states of this census; New >York and Connecticut were not included. Many ancestors of Jewish >Americans came to the U.S. during the period 1900-1910, and >researchers typically do not know where these immigrants lived >during this time. Even if the street address is known, the census >was organized by a unique Enumeration District coding, and there >are a limited number of finding aids to convert street addresses >into Enumeration Districts. > >Data for each person in the index includes surname, given name, >age, sex, race and birthplace (usually country or state only). Also >included in order to identify where the person lives is county, >locality, roll number, part and page number. A valuable feature is >that any data field can be used by the search engine. The search >engine has many search features--too many to enumerate here--but >does have exact match, include and exclude facilities. Multiple >search parameters in an "and" relationship are allowed. > >The Connecticut CD costs $29.95 and is now available through >Avotaynu at http://www.avotaynu.com/cds.htm. The New York State CD >has a planned cost of $49.95, and the New York City CD will cost >$59.95. They will be available within the next few months. Watch >future editions of "Nu? What's New?" for the availability of the >New York CDs. > > >New Beginners Guide to Jewish Genealogy: >"Discovering Your Jewish Ancestors" >======================================= >Heritage Quest has published a new beginners guide to Jewish >genealogy titled "Discovering Your Jewish Ancestors" by Barbara >Krasner-Khait. > >The 300-page book is rich with illustrations and examples taken >from the author's personal experience. It starts with an overview >of Jewish history and other background factors that are required to >understand how to do Jewish genealogical research. This is followed >by chapters on how to find records of ones ancestors. Special >topics such as rabbinic and Sephardic genealogy, colonial research, >and the Holocaust are covered. Getting help through organized >Jewish genealogy and the Internet are described in depth. The book >has numerous Internet addresses reflecting the trend toward using >the Internet for genealogical research. It includes an extensive >topical bibliography. The book will be reviewed in a future edition >of AVOTAYNU. > >Cost for the softcover version is $24.95. Avotaynu offers it at >http://www.avotaynu.com/books/Krasner-Khait.htm. The site also >shows the complete Table of Contents. A hardcover version at $49.95 >is available at the Heritage Quest site: >http://www.heritagequest.com. > > >"Russians to America" CD Has Flaw >================================= >Avotaynu has discovered a significant flaw in the "Russian to >America" CD. It will not hinder its value if you are aware of the >problem. For a large batch of records, if the surname (last name) >is at least nine characters in length, only the first eight >characters appear in the database. For example, Goldstein appears >as Goldstei, Goldschmidt appears as Goldschm. The problem is masked >by the fact that there are records in the database where the full >name is presented. If you are searching for a person whose surname >is nine characters or greater, perform a second search on just the >first eight characters. It is a good research technique anyway to >browse records above and below the area where you expect to find >information to account for random errors. The CD is an index to >about 430,000 immigrants to America who came from Russia in the >period 1855-1895. Additional information about the contents of the >CD can be found at http://www.avotaynu.com/cds.htm. > > >"From Generation to Generation" Back in Print >=========================================== >Arthur Kurzweil's landmark beginner's guide to Jewish genealogy. >"From Generation to Generation" is back in print and sporting a new >cover. Cost of the hardcover version is $25.00. Sadly, it is a >reprint of the 1994 book rather than an update. Consequently, >factual information such as the list of Jewish Genealogical >Societies is as of 1994 with incorrect mailing addresses. Avotaynu >is listed at its address in Teaneck, New Jersey, where we have not >been located for the past six years. But the appeal of Kurzweil's >writing style remains. You can order the book at >http://www.avotaynu.com/catalog.htm. > > >Summer Issue of AVOTAYNU >======================== >The Summer issue of AVOTAYNU will be mailed later this week. It is >rich with articles by experts in their respective fields. Topics >include unexpected genealogical resources at the Central Archives >for the History of the Jewish People by Hadassah Assouline, >archivist of CAHJP; an update on Jewish emigration through Hamburg >by Juergen Sielemann of the Hamburg City Archives; a report on the >trend toward creating a common database of Holocaust victims by >Peter Lande; Mexican-U.S. border crossings by Claire Prechtel- >Kluskens of the U.S. National Archives; the Central and East >European map collection of the U.S. Library of Congress by Stephen >Paczolt, of the Geography and Map Division of the LOC; and history >of the Jews of Transylvania by Romanian history professor and >AVOTAYNU Contributing Editor, Ladislau Gyemant. > >Among the other topics are strategies for using the Ellis Island >database by Gary Mokotoff; and new resources in Israel found by >AVOTAYNU editor, Sallyann Sack, on her annual trek to Israel. > >You can subscribe to AVOTAYNU at >http://www.avotaynu.com/journal.htm. > > >Reminder: Jewish Genealogical Research Trip to Salt Lake City >============================================================= >If you failed to have your genealogical "fix" for the year because >you did not attend the very successful International Conference on >Jewish Genealogy held recently in London, consider spending a week >doing research in Salt Lake City in October. Every year, veteran >professional genealogist Eileen Polakoff and myself take a group of >Jewish genealogists to Salt Lake City. This year's dates are >October 25 - November 1. Experience levels range from absolute >beginners to advanced researchers all of whom take advantage of >Eileen and my expertise in record searching and the 2.4 million >microfilm reels of records at the Family History Library. >Additional information can be found at >http://www.avotaynu.com/slctrip.htm. > > >Avotaynu Book Offerings Has New Look >===================================== >We all suffer the frustration of trying to use the Internet to >order merchandise by going to the seller's Home Page and not >finding how to locate the goods you want. Avotaynu now sells more >than 60 books of interest to persons researching their Jewish >family history, and I have struggled for a long time as to how to >present these books. About a year ago, I happened on an Internet >site in Romania that presents numerous books in a readable fashion >that does not take an enormous amount of download time. I finally >have implemented the design, and now you can see all books we sell >at a new site: http://www.avotaynu.com/allbooks.htm. > > >Peter Lande -- Consummate Volunteer -- The Sequel >================================================ >No, I did not have advanced information, but by a remarkable >coincidence, just four days after the last edition of "Nu, What's >New?" in which I lauded the volunteer efforts of Peter Lande, he >was given the "Lifetime Achievement Award" of the International >Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies at the annual >Conference on Jewish Genealogy held in London from July 8-13. > > >Miscellany >========== >It has been reported by Family Tree Magazine that Senator Orrin >Hatch (of Utah, of course) has introduced a resolution in the U.S. >Senate to make October Family History Month. Information can be >found at http://www.familytreemagazine.com/famhistmonth.asp. > >For those interested in the impact of DNA testing on genealogy, >Dick Eastman's column at Ancestry.com has a number of articles. His >weekly column appears at >http://www.ancestry.com/library/view/columns/eastman/eastman.asp. > >************************************************************ >To be added or removed from this mailing list, go on >the Internet to http://www.avotaynu.com/nuwhatsnew.htm > >Back issues are available at http://www.avotaynu.com/nu.htm. > >To subscribe to AVOTAYNU, The International Review of Jewish >Genealogy, go to http://www.avotaynu.com/journal.htm. > >To order books from our catalog, go to >http://www.avotaynu.com/catalog.htm > >Copyright 2001, Avotaynu, Inc. All rights reserved > >Send requests to reproduce portions of "Nu? What's New?" to >info@avotaynu.com >************************************************************ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to nuwhatsnew as: busia@mindspring.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-nuwhatsnew-59867B@burst.sparklist.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 7/18/01, Coralie writes: > Subj: [WiMilwau] 1890 Census > Date: 7/18/01 6:56:23 PM Central Daylight Time > From: CoralieJA@aol.com > Reply-to: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com > To: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com > > If you seek records from this census, you well may be out of luck. The > census records--except for an extremely small subset--burned in a fire > many years ago. This is very frustrating to all of us who seek family > from that era. > > Coralie J. Allen > seeking Quackenbush, Bartz, Jackson in Milwaukee County ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Coralie and other listers-- First, thanks to Coralie for YOUR thanks in your kind off-list note earlier today. And I apologize for now including a revised version, in my present on-list posting, of some of the stuff that I sent you off-list yesterday. Maybe many of you are aware of the following. But I especially wanted to emphasize now that, even though almost all of the 1890 US Federal Census was destroyed long ago (as Coralie points out above), an impressive project is now underway to create an "1890 Census Substitute." Ancestry.com writes that they, with the aid of the US National Archives, have now begun providing an online substitute for the missing 1890 census. <<More than 20 million records have been identified for inclusion in the collection and additions will be made regularly as they become available for posting. It will include fragments of the original 1890 census that survived the fire, special veterans schedules, several Native American tribe censuses for years surrounding 1890, state censuses (1885 or 1895), city and county directories, alumni directories, and voter registration documents.>> See more at: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/census/1890sub/main.htm The above URL now primarily leads the researcher to persons listed in all Ancestry.com's online directories of ca. 1890. And hundreds of these volumes are now online, including directories for New York City (#1 US city in population in 1890), Philadelphia (#3), Brooklyn (#4) [absorbed by NYC in 1898], St. Louis (#5), Boston (#6), and Baltimore (#7). Chicago (#2) and Cleveland (#11) seem to be the only major cities in 1890 that are still not represented by online directories of ca. 1890. Yet Milwaukee is covered by TWO directory compilations that frame a three year period: 1889-1891. See: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4749.htm -- plus (of limited value)---> http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/5259.htm Below, in response Coralie's research focus, are examples of some of the goodies one can print out by signing up for Ancestry.com's current FREE offer: <<Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial..... Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB.>> Also included below is some sample (Quackenbush) Census data, mostly for 1860. This too is a printout (abridged) from Ancestry.com-- and some Wisconsin counties may be missing from this. Unfortunately Ancestry seems to include no Federal Census data at all for WI in 1870 and 1880, even though Ancestry's data does include (for example) IL & MN Census data for 1870, plus much additional data for IL & MN in 1880. Personally I prefer freebies, and I'm only rarely an Ancestry.com member. And once again I find myself about to send out a far more long-winded posting than I had originally intended. Sorry. .......John (in Chicago) ------------------------------------------ http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/census/1890sub/main.htm ----> main link to the 1890 CENSUS SUBSTITUTE ======================================================== http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/3581.htm EAU CLAIRE, WI-- DIRECTORIES: Name, Business Name, Occupation, Residence, City, State, Year Edward C QUACKENBUSH Eau Claire Street Railway Co clerk 411 1/2 S Barstow Eau Claire WI 1889, 1890 Edward QUACKENBUSH C A Dewey driver Eau Claire WI 1891, 1892 Edward QUACKENBUSH E C St Ry car operator 116 Niagara Eau Claire WI 1893 ======================================================== http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4749.htm MILWAUKEE, WI-- DIRECTORIES: QUACKENBUSH -- 1 match in 1890 only 1889 Directory: [QUACKENBUSH- no listing] John HAGERTY [owner] saloon and boarding house 200 E. Water r. same. 1890 Directory: R. QUACKENBUSH laborer r. 200 E. Water John HAGERTY, Jr. [owner] saloon and boarding house 200 E. Water r. same [200 E. Water in 1890 refers to a location on what is now N. Water St., probably close to its intersection with modern E. St. Paul Ave. There were no Bartz or Jackson listings at 200 E. Water in 1889 + 1890.] _________________________________________________________ JACKSON -- 1808 matches in 1889 + 1890 [Mostly references to Jackson St. in downtown Milwaukee ---> omitted (mercifully)!] If you're looking for Mrs. Benjamin B. Jones (nee Nancy or "Fanny" Jackson, 1811-1895), or even Mrs. John J. Collier (Magdalena Quackenbush, born 1705), JQM has more on both!!] Mrs. Fanny Jones [nee Jackson] r. 356 Jefferson Milwaukee 1889 Mrs. Fanny Jones [nee Jackson] r. 351 Van Buren Milwaukee 1890 _________________________________________________________ GARTZ -- 0 matches _________________________________________________________ BARTZ -- 26 matches ---> 1889 Milwaukee Directory: August Bartz house-mover r. rear 1803 Vliet. Charles Bartz laborer r. 1088 24th. Edward H. Bartz clerk 5 Grand avenue r. 436 Jackson. Frank Bartz carver r. 270 16th. Frederick Bartz laborer r. 1088 24th. Frederick Bartz laborer r. 1462 Kinnikinnic avenue Frederick Bartz teamster r. e. s. 23d, between North avenue & Elm. Herman Bartz r. 363 Rogers. John Bartz laborer r. 763 3d avenue John Bartz tanner r. rear 618 Lloyd. Ludwig Bartz house-mover r. 270 16th. Ludwig Bartz laborer r. e. s. 23d, between North avenue & Elm. Martin Bartz tanner r. 1091 N. Water. 1890 Milwaukee Directory: August Bartz house-mover 309 16th. Charles Bartz laborer r. 1088 24th. Edward H. Bartz clerk 5 Grand avenue r. 436 Jackson. Frank Bartz carver r. 270 16th. Frederick Bartz laborer r. 1462 Kinnickinnic avenue Gottlieb Bartz laborer r. 774 23d. Herman Bartz carpenter r. 363 Rogers. John Bartz laborer r. 763 3d avenue John Bartz lanner r. 695 3d. Louis Bartz house-mover 276 16th r. same. Louis Bartz laborer r. 774 26d. Martin Bartz laborer r. 974 Donsman. Otto Bartz laborer r. 2603 Bismarck. ____________________________________________________________________ ============================================================ http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/3581.htm WISCONSIN CENSUS, 1860-most + 1890-veterans Year, Surname, Given Name, County, State, Page, Township etc., Database, ID# _______________________________________________________ Federal Census, Wisconsin-- 1860: 1860 QUACKENBUSH AUGUSTINE Columbia County WI 517 Pacific WI456152944 1860 QUACKENBUSH P. Columbia County WI 240 Dekorra WI456152966 1860 QUACKENBUSH J. H. Grant County WI 049 Boscobel WI456152953 1860 QUACKENBUSH JAMES R. Green Lake Co. WI 983 Mackford WI456152956 1860 QUACKENBUSH JOHN Green Lake County WI 982 Mackford WI456152958 1860 QUACKENBUSH HENRY Jackson County WI 1095 Manchester WI456152948 1860 QUACKENBUSH JOHN H. Jackson County WI 1093 Manchester WI456152960 1860 QUACKENBUSH JOSEPH Jackson County WI 1118 Melrose WI456152961 1860 QUACKENBUSH TANY Jefferson County WI 231 Jefferson WI4561529691 1860 QUACKENBUSH EZRA La Crosse County WI 009 Barre WI456152946 1860 QUACKENBUSH HIRAM La Crosse County WI 009 Barre WI456152951 1860 QUACKENBUSH JOSEPH La Crosse County WI 195 Neshonoc WI456152962 1860 QUACKENBUSH EMILY Racine County WI 842 Rochester WI456152945 1860 QUACKENBUSH GERTRUDE Racine County WI 636 Burlington WI456152947 1860 QUACKENBUSH LAMBERT Racine County WI 841 Rochester WI456152963 1860 QUACKENBUSH HENRY Rock County WI 689 Turtle WI456152949 1860 QUACKENBUSH RICHARD Rock County WI 161 Bradford WI456152967 1860 QUACKENBUSH W. Sauk County WI 445 Baraboo WI456152970 1860 QUACKENBUSH JACOB Walworth County WI 296 Hudson WI456152954 1860 QUACKENBUSH LUKE Walworth County WI 453 Sharon WI456152964 1860 QUACKENBUSH NANCY Walworth County WI 454 Sharon WI456152965 1860 QUACKENBUSH SOLON Walworth County WI 501 Spring Prairie WI456152968 1860 QUACKENBUSH ISAAC Waukesha County WI 187 Vernon WI456152952 1860 QUACKENBUSH JACOB Wood County WI 940 Dexter WI456152955 _______________________________________________________ Wisconsin-- 1890 Veterans Schedule: 1890 QUACKENBUSH DELEVAN P. Jackson County WI 005 E.D. 143 Black River WI09627753 1890 QUACKENBUSH ERNEST Jackson County WI 001 E.D. 150 Manchester WI09627754 1890 QUACKENBUSH JOHN -DEC- Jackson County WI 002 E.D. 150 Manchester WI09627757 1890 QUACKENBUSH MARIAH -W- Jackson County WI 002 E.D. 150 Manchester WI09627758 1890 QUACKENBUSH ABNER La Crosse County WI 001 E.D. 170 La Crosse WI09627752 1890 QUACKENBUSH JAMES Milwaukee County WI 092 N.W. Branch Ntl Home WI09627756 1890 QUACKENBUSH ISAAC Vernon County WI 001 E.D. 250 Bergen Township WI09627755 ____________________________________________________________________ ============================================================

Thanks so much for responding Shelley!! Pam

Does anyone if there are any sites such as ISTG or Ellis Island that have tracked ship lists for RETURNEES to Europe, especially Germany, in the late 1800 or early 1900's?? Thanks for any help!! Pam ______________________________________________________ "Changing the World, One Book at a Time. . . . Invest in Our World's Future with FUN books for all ages. . . .. Check out www.UBAH.com/R0094, or www.makereadingfun.com, or www.usborne.com/quicklinks

Thanks Coralie for taking the time to answer!! Yes, that's too bad, that was sure a key year!! Pam ______________________________________________________ "Changing the World, One Book at a Time. . . . Invest in Our World's Future with FUN books for all ages. . . .. Check out www.UBAH.com/R0094, or www.makereadingfun.com, or www.usborne.com/quicklinks

Mary: Could you explain please how the Cleveland Library site works for an obit. I typed in Johnston and get na. Pat B

Hi to Cheryl, etc.-- when doing genealogy research, I feel it's always wise to avoid (like the Plague) the "Genealogy" word, except when addressing pets and trusted & very close human relatives. Almost no other word seems to frighten library and cemetery staffers more than the G word. For example, Milwaukee Public Library patrons should NEVER define their queries as a "genealogy" questions (God forbid!) when talking to MPL's Ready Reference (414-286-3011) or Humanities (414-286-3061) staff. And only card-carrying City of Milwaukee Library patrons that scrupulously avoid the G word can use the online Ready Reference query form <http://www.mpl.org/Files/Ask/index.htm>. All Library patrons should instead define their queries as a searches, say, for famous (or infamous) persons-- or maybe even suspected homicides! (all this might even excite the interest of bored librarians). Also, when doing genealogy research at cemetery offices, it's often a good idea to vaguely define your visit as essentially a search for pricey cemetery space for a wealthy relative whose health is rapidly declining. Then you may succeed in slipping in a few brief, but carefully crafted, "history" (NOT "genealogy") questions. Or am I being too cynical?? .........John (in Chicago) _______________________________________________________ <<Subj: Re: [WiMilwau] obit info: Milwaukee Public Library Date: 7/19/01 7:02:49 AM Central Daylight Time From: clbarnett_99@yahoo.com (Cheryl Barnett) To: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com --- JQMagie@aol.com wrote: > To Ashley, etc.-- why deal with Milwaukee's > newspaper publishers at all?? <snip> These are great links, but Ready Reference/Ask a Librarian does not respond to questions about genealogy. And, the online subscription to the Milwaukee Journal is available only if you live in the City of Milwaukee (not County of Milwaukee) and can reconfigure your proxy server. So, there are restrictions on the use of these resources. _______________________________________________________

--- JQMagie@aol.com wrote: > To Ashley, etc.-- why deal with Milwaukee's > newspaper publishers at all?? <snip> These are great links, but Ready Reference/Ask a Librarian does not respond to questions about genealogy. And, the online subscription to the Milwaukee Journal is available only if you live in the City of Milwaukee (not County of Milwaukee) and can reconfigure your proxy server. So, there are restrictions on the use of these resources. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

To Ashley, etc.-- why deal with Milwaukee's newspaper publishers at all?? ------------------------------- http://www.mpl.org/files/great/great.cfm keyword: death notice ----> <<Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (via web from NewsBank) This NewsBank web subscription product provides full-text coverage of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and is the best online source for researching local articles from 1990 to the present. Death Notices since June 16, 1995 are included. Here is the link for a tipsheet for using Milwaukee Journal/Sentinel via web (from NewsBank)...... Library subscription. Only available for use within City of Milwaukee libraries. >> for more info, the Milwaukee Public Library staff tells me to use the following inquiry form at: http://www.mpl.org/Files/Ask/index.htm or call the Milwaukee Public Library via their Ready Reference phone: 414-286-3011 or via their Humanities phone: 414-286-3061 My understanding is that Milwaukee Public Library staff gives high priority to info requests from card-carrying Milwaukee library patrons (this presumably includes YOU, Ashley), medium priority to other Wisconsin residents, and LOW priority to aliens (like me). I'm also told that MPL's Humanities Division has copies of many Milwaukee newspaper death notices and obits prior to June 16, 1995-- but apparently this stuff has all been collected by volunteers and is of uneven quality. The Humanities staff tells me that MPL is willing to send out duplicates of all the above as long as it is reimbursed for copying costs. .......John (in Chicago) _________________________________________________________ <<Subj: [WiMilwau] Journal online obits go back to 1997 Date: 7/18/01 10:59:53 PM Central Daylight Time From: grubisic@netwurx.net (Ashley Tiwara) Reply-to: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com To: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel actually has obituaries going back to 1997 in its online computer files but it seems to be a matter of chance which ones are there. If you do have an obit occurring in 1997 or 1998, it is worth trying to punch it in at the site...... Ashley>> _________________________________________________________

The only bad thing about Journal/Sentinel obits is they started to charge people to print them, so many haven't had an obit to be printed. <sigh> ~Cherie At 11:11 PM 7/18/01 -0500, you wrote: >The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel actually has obituaries going back to 1997 >in its online computer files but it seems to be a matter of chance which >ones are there. If you do have an >obit occurring in 1997 or 1998, it is worth trying to punch it in at the >site. I've found many in that time period. Unfortunately, my aunt's >brother wasn't one I was able to >access. Quite a few of her other relatives were there though, and I was >thus able to access names she'd never mentioned to me. > >Ashley > >tepalmer@execpc.com wrote: > > > I thought this information might be of interest. The Milwaukee County > Genealogical Society will do obituary look ups (as well as other > research) for a $5.00 fee per each request. > > > > Information can be found on their web site http://www.execpc.com/~mcgs/ > > > > Also The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on line can be searched for > obituaries from April, 1999 to the present. The web site is > http://www.jsonline.com/ > > > > Hope this helps some of you. > > Mary > > > > ============================== > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp ::::::::::::::*`^i^ `*:::::::::::::: His providence rises before the dawn. :::::::::::::::*`^i^`*:::::::::::::: ---------- HONL Congregated Genealogy Austria/Bohemia/Germany/Prussia http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thehonls/ Cherie's Tree currently contains 610 individuals, in 224 family groups Some surnames that are included are: ADAMS - Milwaukee, Milwaukee, WI ARZT - Kendall, WI (Monroe County) BARTOSCH - Rathsdorf, Austria, (now) Skuhrov, Czech Republic EIRSCHELE - Rathsdorf, Austria, (now) Skuhrov, Czech Republic * Monroe County, WI HONL - Rathsdorf, Austria, (now) Skuhrov, Czech Republic *Milwaukee, WI (Milwaukee County) * Kendall, WI (Monroe County) * Tomah, WI (Monroe County) * Sparta, WI (Monroe County) * Oakdale TWP, WI (Monroe County) * Clifton, WI (Monroe County)* Ellsworth, WI (Pierce County) * River Falls, WI (Pierce & St. Croix Counties) * Sand Point, ID (Bonner County) * Green Acres, WA ( Spokane County) HOWSER - Germany * Pennsylvania * Ohio * Yazoo City, Mississippi (Yazoo County) * Paw Paw, Michigan (Van Buren County) * Quincy, IL (Adams County) * Milwaukee, WI (Milwaukee County) HUBERTY - Vermillion TWP, MINN (Dakota County) * Hastings, MINN (Dakota County) JONAS - Weiskirchen, Merzig, Saarland, Germany * Sehlem, Germany * River Falls, WI (Pierce County) * Milwaukee, WI (Milwaukee County) LAMEREAUX - Canada * Milwaukee, WI (Milwaukee County) * Michigan * MATTHEWS - See HOWSER MATZKE - Rathsdorf, Austria, (now) Skuhrov, Czech Republic * Monroe County, WI ROCK - Villiage of Kirf, Saarland, Germany * Saarburg, Germany * Big River, WI (Pierce County) * Trimbelle Town, WI (Pierce County) * Fond Du Lac County, WI SCHWARZ - Weiskirchen, Merzig, Saarland, Germany SIMON - Weiskirchen, Merzig, Saarland, Germany * Wadrill, Merzig, Saarland, Germany* Sitzerath, Merzig, Saarland, Germany * Town of Mequon, WI (Ozaukee County) * Town of Oak Grove, WI (Pierce County), Milwaukee, WI (Milwaukee County) * River Falls, WI (Pierce & St. Croix Counties) * Prescott, WI (Pierce County) WEBER - Weiskirchen, Merzig, Saarland, Germany * Town of Oak Grove, WI (Pierce County) * (Multiple spellings apply) Honl Surname & Mailing Lists: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/h/honl.html Simon Mailing List: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/s/simon.html ~~~~~~~*^i^*~~~~~~

Would anyone out there with an 1880 Census CD be willing to do a lookup?? I can email names privately. Thank you!! Pam ______________________________________________________ "Changing the World, One Book at a Time. . . . Invest in Our World's Future with FUN books for all ages. . . .. Check out www.UBAH.com/R0094, or www.makereadingfun.com, or www.usborne.com/quicklinks

Is there someone on the list who might be looking up records soon that would be willing to do a lookup?? The name would be Wilhelm Streese, marriage date of 31 July 1882, Oconto County, Volume 1, Page 0235. .. Thank you in advance for any help. Sincerely, Pam ______________________________________________________ "Changing the World, One Book at a Time. . . . Invest in Our World's Future with FUN books for all ages. . . .. Check out www.UBAH.com/R0094, or www.makereadingfun.com, or www.usborne.com/quicklinks

The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel actually has obituaries going back to 1997 in its online computer files but it seems to be a matter of chance which ones are there. If you do have an obit occurring in 1997 or 1998, it is worth trying to punch it in at the site. I've found many in that time period. Unfortunately, my aunt's brother wasn't one I was able to access. Quite a few of her other relatives were there though, and I was thus able to access names she'd never mentioned to me. Ashley tepalmer@execpc.com wrote: > I thought this information might be of interest. The Milwaukee County Genealogical Society will do obituary look ups (as well as other research) for a $5.00 fee per each request. > > Information can be found on their web site http://www.execpc.com/~mcgs/ > > Also The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on line can be searched for obituaries from April, 1999 to the present. The web site is http://www.jsonline.com/ > > Hope this helps some of you. > Mary > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

I thought this information might be of interest. The Milwaukee County Genealogical Society will do obituary look ups (as well as other research) for a $5.00 fee per each request. Information can be found on their web site http://www.execpc.com/~mcgs/ Also The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on line can be searched for obituaries from April, 1999 to the present. The web site is http://www.jsonline.com/ Hope this helps some of you. Mary

Coralie, Saw that you are researching people in Milwaukee County. Don't think I ever heard from you so maybe you don't have a need for the research I have done and am willing to do at historic Forest Home Cemetery. As I have mentioned so often, I do quite a bit of Milwaukee City & County historic reading. To date I have taken 19 volumes and have written down all surnames found in each, all given names and/or initials as the author/editor saw fit to include plus the maiden names of all wives that are given. With my volunteering Fridays at Forest Home I have been able to find quite a bit of information for quite a few people which in turn sometimes leads into more because of information I found out; for instance, Funeral Homes who helped with the services. In most instances we also have lifetime dates and up to and around the 1920's can often even find out what the cause of death was. At about that time the funeral directors stopped furnishing that information to cemeteries for some reason. But, as I have stated on this message board, because of time, I only do this for people who furnish given names as well as surnames. You did not do this so normally I would not have written this letter. I do so to let you and others know that for any help I can provide, this information is necessary. You can imagine with Smith's, Johnson's, Schmidt's, even Carlson and the like, how much time it would take me to write down just the lifetime dates for the many that are buried at Forest Home. I don't have that time for I am only there for about 7 hours on Friday's. If you or anyone else desire that help I might be able to provide, it takes only a few more strokes of your fingers to put down a few given names with your surnames. For instance, just yesterday there was a query about McNary. Well, not only will I probably find him and his family at Forest Home for the inquierer is sure they are buried there but I also found two biographical sketches in one of the volumes of history: one about Rev. McNary and his family plus another about another member of his family. He would not be getting that information, probably, if he had not included the first name for I would have just passed it by. Honest, I am not trying to be critical of you, I just want to help people but to do so, I would like them to help me in this way. AND THE MORE THE MERRIER. Bob of Brookfield

If you seek records from this census, you well may be out of luck. The census records--except for an extremely small subset--burned in a fire many years ago. This is very frustrating to all of us who seek family from that era. Coralie J. Allen seeking Quackenbush, Bartz, Jackson in Milwaukee County

I have a request for somebody buried at Holy Trinity there, if you would. And a map would be great! I had a couple, but have misplaced them. PETER JONAS BLK 3 LOT 72 North Half Date of Death: Dec 27, 1937 Holy Trinity was established in 1865, and that is where they were burying German people. Then they established St. Adalbert's in 1888, where they buried Polish people. Of course most of that has changed. I have family in both sides of German and Bohemian decent. Regards, ~Cherie Honl At 05:51 AM 7/18/01 -0700, you wrote: >After four phone calls and two visits to St. >Adelbert's cemetery, I managed to get an answer to my >question about the unblessed section. Posting to the >list for archival purposes: > >The unblessed section is section 102, just west of the >railroad tracks and just north of Howard Avenue. It's >clearly marked section 102 both on the map and by a >sign in the section. Most of the graves do not have >headstones. > >I'll be going back to St. Adelbert's this weekend >(weather permitting). If anyone would like a >headstone photo or cemetery map, let me know. > >Cheryl > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > >============================== >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >your heritage! >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog ::::::::::::::*`^i^ `*:::::::::::::: His providence rises before the dawn. :::::::::::::::*`^i^`*:::::::::::::: ---------- HONL Congregated Genealogy Austria/Bohemia/Germany/Prussia http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thehonls/ Cherie's Tree currently contains 610 individuals, in 224 family groups Some surnames that are included are: ADAMS - Milwaukee, Milwaukee, WI ARZT - Kendall, WI (Monroe County) BARTOSCH - Rathsdorf, Austria, (now) Skuhrov, Czech Republic EIRSCHELE - Rathsdorf, Austria, (now) Skuhrov, Czech Republic * Monroe County, WI HONL - Rathsdorf, Austria, (now) Skuhrov, Czech Republic *Milwaukee, WI (Milwaukee County) * Kendall, WI (Monroe County) * Tomah, WI (Monroe County) * Sparta, WI (Monroe County) * Oakdale TWP, WI (Monroe County) * Clifton, WI (Monroe County)* Ellsworth, WI (Pierce County) * River Falls, WI (Pierce & St. Croix Counties) * Sand Point, ID (Bonner County) * Green Acres, WA ( Spokane County) HOWSER - Germany * Pennsylvania * Ohio * Yazoo City, Mississippi (Yazoo County) * Paw Paw, Michigan (Van Buren County) * Quincy, IL (Adams County) * Milwaukee, WI (Milwaukee County) HUBERTY - Vermillion TWP, MINN (Dakota County) * Hastings, MINN (Dakota County) JONAS - Weiskirchen, Merzig, Saarland, Germany * Sehlem, Germany * River Falls, WI (Pierce County) * Milwaukee, WI (Milwaukee County) LAMEREAUX - Canada * Milwaukee, WI (Milwaukee County) * Michigan * MATTHEWS - See HOWSER MATZKE - Rathsdorf, Austria, (now) Skuhrov, Czech Republic * Monroe County, WI ROCK - Villiage of Kirf, Saarland, Germany * Saarburg, Germany * Big River, WI (Pierce County) * Trimbelle Town, WI (Pierce County) * Fond Du Lac County, WI SCHWARZ - Weiskirchen, Merzig, Saarland, Germany SIMON - Weiskirchen, Merzig, Saarland, Germany * Wadrill, Merzig, Saarland, Germany* Sitzerath, Merzig, Saarland, Germany * Town of Mequon, WI (Ozaukee County) * Town of Oak Grove, WI (Pierce County), Milwaukee, WI (Milwaukee County) * River Falls, WI (Pierce & St. Croix Counties) * Prescott, WI (Pierce County) WEBER - Weiskirchen, Merzig, Saarland, Germany * Town of Oak Grove, WI (Pierce County) * (Multiple spellings apply) Honl Surname & Mailing Lists: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/h/honl.html Simon Mailing List: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/s/simon.html ~~~~~~~*^i^*~~~~~~

Dear Fellow Listers This past March, I read an Ancestry Quick Tip, and have had no success in trying to get an understanding of its content. March 22, 2001. Carol Haywood states that her great uncle, who was emigrating from Germany, "had filed a declaration of intent giving a date of entry in 1852". She also mentions a " DI index" which has his port of entry as New Orleans. What are these both, and how can we access them? In looking at cemetery records for a number of my relatives, I see that Wendler was listed as funeral director in Milwaukee over the years 1925 - 1945. Where are their office records now because I don't see them still listed? Not in El Trasho Basket, I hope!! Thank you for your help. Kathy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

After four phone calls and two visits to St. Adelbert's cemetery, I managed to get an answer to my question about the unblessed section. Posting to the list for archival purposes: The unblessed section is section 102, just west of the railroad tracks and just north of Howard Avenue. It's clearly marked section 102 both on the map and by a sign in the section. Most of the graves do not have headstones. I'll be going back to St. Adelbert's this weekend (weather permitting). If anyone would like a headstone photo or cemetery map, let me know. Cheryl __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

Regarding newspapers -- the Cleveland Public Library kept a card file of death notices going back about 100 years. I don't know whether they scanned them in or had someone key them in, but they're all online -- complete death notices listing various relatives, funeral homes, etc., fully searchable online by surname or keyword! Wish the Milwaukee Public Library would do something similar. If you had relatives in Cleveland . . . http://dxsrv4.cpl.org/WebZ/Authorize?sessionid=0&next=/html/obit.html&dbchoi ce=1:dbname=necr&bad=html/authofail.html&style=noframe Mary Popovich