on 7/26/01 11:01 AM, Robert W Cole at cculp2@juno.com wrote: > SCHULZE There are 40 Records: Schulze, A C 09 Aug 1861 J  250.00  St Louis Mo  Holy Trinity  View Complete Record Schulze, Adolph 22 Feb 1898 36  393.00        View Complete Record Schulze, Adolph 17 Jul 1854 C  217.00  Germany  Holy Ghost  View Complete Record Schulze, Ch/o Charles 23 Dec 1869 3  182.00        View Complete Record Schulze, Charles 20 May 1863 K  133.00     St Peter's  View Complete Record Schulze, Charles A 14 Jul 1900 39  253.00        View Complete Record Schulze, Edmond C 25 Feb 1899 37  251.00        View Complete Record Schulze, Edward 10 Dec 1889 23  277.00        View Complete Record Schulze, Elisa 26 Sep 1858 F  177.00  St Louis Mo  Holy Ghost  View Complete Record Schulze, Elizabeth 22 Feb 1881 11  78.00  Germany  St Peter's  View Complete Record Name Death Date Volume Page Birth Place Cemetery View Complete Record Schulze, Emilie 10 Jul 1875 6B  234.00        View Complete Record Schulze, Emma 27 Nov 1864 L  19.00     St Peter's  View Complete Record Schulze, Emma Eliz 27 Jul 1878 8  344.00        View Complete Record Schulze, Erstina W 24 Jul 1854 C  223.00  Germany  Lutheran  View Complete Record Schulze, Friedrich William 03 Aug 1878 8  352.00        View Complete Record Schulze, Friedrika 10 Apr 1880 10  155.00  Germany  St Mark  View Complete Record Schulze, Fritz 03 Feb 1890 24  342.00        View Complete Record Schulze, Geneva 12 Jun 1899 38  404.00        View Complete Record Schulze, Gottfried 12 Aug 1870 3  314.00        View Complete Record Schulze, Henry 09 Jun 1864 K  304.00     Holy Ghost  View Complete Record Schulze, Henry 23 Jun 1892 27  168.00        View Complete Record Schulze, Ida 07 Jul 1872 5  99.00        View Complete Record Schulze, Inf/o C F & Johanne 08 May 1883 14  404.00        View Complete Record Schulze, Inf/o Edward 22 Mar 1881 11  106.00  St Louis Mo  St Peter's  View Complete Record Schulze, John E 04 Aug 1879 9  692.00        View Complete Record Schulze, John H 15 May 1885 17  55.00        View Complete Record Schulze, John W 12 Nov 1893 29  275.00        View Complete Record Schulze, Juilia S 20 Jan 1896 33  29.00        View Complete Record Schulze, Leona 09 Nov 1893 29  274.00        View Complete Record Schulze, Louis 13 Jul 1895 32  401.00        View Complete Record Schulze, Louis W 27 Jan 1893 28  495.00        View Complete Record Schulze, Louisa 18 Feb 1898 36  388.00        View Complete Record Schulze, Mary Mathilda 23 Oct 1883 15  305.00        View Complete Record Schulze, Sarah W 11 May 1860 J  5.00     Holy Ghost  View Complete Record Schulze, Sophia 18 Aug 1870 3  318.00        View Complete Record Schulze, Theodore 04 Jan 1877 7  262.00        View Complete Record Schulze, Valentin 18 May 1868 2  93.00  St Louis Mo  Holy Ghost  View Complete Record Schulze, W Ludwig H 12 Sep 1873 6  118.00        View Complete Record Schulze, Wilhelm 07 Apr 1894 30  454.00        View Complete Record Schulze, Wilhelmine 03 Dec 1895 32  574.00        View Complete Record Hope this helps. Lon Mason in AZ

My uncle was an osteopath in Milwaukee in the 1910-1940 era (I think this is correct.) His name was Ernest (Ernie) Clifford Bond. His wife was Sadie Myrick and at the time I last have information he had two children, Clifford Myrick Bond and Marjorie Bond b. 1904 and 1906. I had heard that his offices were well known in Milwaukee at the time and I am just trying to uncover information regarding him, his business and his family. Does anyone have any information or connections that might help me with my research. I am from California. Marilyn Bond Trujillo

Is there someone on the list going to the courthouse soon to look up records soon that would be willing to do a additional lookup?? The name would be Wilhelm Streese, marriage date of 31 July 1882, Oconto County, Volume 1, Page 0235. .. Thank you in advance for any help. Sincerely, Pam ______________________________________________________ "Changing the World, One Book at a Time. . . . Invest in Our World's Future with FUN books for all ages. . . .. Check out www.UBAH.com/R0094, or www.makereadingfun.com, or www.usborne.com/quicklinks ______________________________________________________ "Changing the World, One Book at a Time. . . . Invest in Our World's Future with FUN books for all ages. . . .. Check out www.UBAH.com/R0094, or www.makereadingfun.com, or www.usborne.com/quicklinks

Incidentally, where can I find a cold Rhinegold (or Rheingold?, "the Lite Beer"). Is (or was) that a Wisconsin bier? Also how do I enter my daughter in the next Miss Rhinegold contest? I don't even like beer very much. But just ONE old-timey cold Rhinegold-- or otherwise an aging, but nice, Ms. Rhinegold-- sounds good to me right now, even though Chicago's hot heat is now moderating and annoying me less. ........John (in Chicago) PS: Chicago's Mayor Daley recommends that, during heat waves, we frequently check on the well-being of our elderly kith and kin. JQM suggests that at the same time, while they're somewhat defenseless, hit these geezers with some embarrassing genealogy questions. Otherwise, you may later regret your timidity.

Ashley-- your chitchat is distressing me and becoming off-topic. If you wish to discuss all this further, I suggest that I meet you at Milwaukee's Serb Hall during next Friday's Fish Fry. And feel free to bring some of your nicer Croat relatives. While almost all SERBS and CROATS are nice, I'll be there with some of my new Serb friends who don't do much chitchat in either Croatian or English-- or even Serbian or Macedonian. They all happen to be former ethnic cleansers who were closely associated with former Yugoslav President Milosevic. Hopefully we'll be able to straighten you out on some of your concerns. Also, Ashley, although I won't ask of which organizations you are a card-carrying member, I'm curious whether you ever followed-up on my kind and lively "obit" posting of 7/19/01 (see below)-- or have you even glanced at most of my helpful recent WiMIlwau postings (that Bob of Brookfield oddly describes as "dissertations")?? Probably not. And why, as requested in all your recent postings (see below), must I always reply to you ON-LIST, rather than off-list?? The latter would allow me to be more candid. Me smo zivi? [mi jesu ziv??]. Zbogom! And please have a nice day :) ..........John ______________________________________________________ In a message dated 7/25/01 2:35:34 PM Central Daylight Time, grubisic@netwurx.net writes: > Subj: [WiMilwau] G word: resources in Mo and IL and PA > Date: 7/25/01 2:35:34 PM Central Daylight Time > From: grubisic@netwurx.net (Ashley Tiwara) > Reply-to: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com > To: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com > > John and the list..... Transplanted Wisconsin families ought to keep their puny, > withered cheeseheads quiet about their former state, which appears to still be > locked into the 20th century record keeping system. To the dismay of family > researchers who want their answers NOW, and want them cheap, ______________________________________________________ <<Subj: obit info: Milwaukee Public Library Date: 7/19/01 12:34:42 AM Central Daylight Time From: JQMagie To: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com To Ashley..... for more info, the Milwaukee Public Library staff tells me to use the following inquiry form at: http://www.mpl.org/Files/Ask/index.htm or call the Milwaukee Public Library via their Ready Reference phone: 414-286-3011 or via their Humanities phone: 414-286-3061 My understanding is that Milwaukee Public Library staff gives high priority to info requests from card-carrying Milwaukee library patrons (this presumably includes YOU, Ashley), medium priority to other Wisconsin residents, and LOW priority to aliens (like me). I'm also told that MPL's Humanities Division has copies of many Milwaukee newspaper death notices and obits prior to June 16, 1995-- but apparently this stuff has all been collected by volunteers and is of uneven quality. The Humanities staff tells me that MPL is willing to send out duplicates of all the above as long as it is reimbursed for copying costs. .......John (in Chicago)>> ______________________________________________________

The house I grew up in had a crick in the back yard. My hubbie was raised eating breakfast, lunch & dinner. I had breakfast, dinner & supper! Our kids think I am nuts for some of the words I use, I explain that I am just trying to raise them right! hahahaha Also, in case anyone is interested, the surnames I am researching in Milwaukee, are Seelman, Merath, Bauman, Reynolds, Bradley, Mahoney, Delles & Ludowese(actually Ozaukee), Sebastian. Anyone else out there? Lori

Note to Ashley + other WI wildlife, relocated state birds, etc.-- I hope, Ashley, that you had a nice visit in Independence, MO. But if you were essentially looking for the BIG Mormon genealogy library, I wonder whether someone gave you some bum driving directions. The Reorganized Church of Latter Day Saints is now headquartered in Independence, MO (formerly Plano, IL), and their main library, I think, is still in Independence at 1001 W. Walnut Street. But, if you were trying to find the really BIG Mormon library, you made a few wrong turns. Instead you should have gone somewhat farther west---> to Salt Lake City, UT, the home of the other (and bigger) Church of Latter Day Saints and their very BIG genealogy library. Here in Illinois we are actually BETTER auto drivers partly because we generally abstain from driving, drunk or sober, while trying to balance large chunks of cheese on our heads. Also, compared to you cheeseheads, we spend more time driving autos than snowmobiles. We also tend to guzzle less Blatz, Pabst, Millers (oder die Müller?), etc., while driving ANY vehicle. US President Harry S Truman, "the Man from Independence" (and formerly a somewhat unsuccessful haberdasher there, reportedly), once wisely stated that: <<the only thing new in the world is the history you don't know.>> .........John (in Chicago) _______________________________________________________ > Subj: Re: [WiMilwau] avoiding the scary G word! > Date: 7/24/01 3:03:27 PM Central Daylight Time > From: grubisic@netwurx.net (Ashley Tiwara) > Reply-to: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com > To: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com > > Maxine, John, and the list, > A recommendation for library research: the Mid-Continental library in > Independence, MO..... Should you be there at the G*E*N*E*A*L*O*G*Y > library, the librarians actually expect you to ask questions..... _______________________________________________________

John and the list, The Mormon library is not the one I was at. The PUBLIC library is the one that zeroxes its collection of obituaries and does genealogy workshops. Oooh, for a sympathetic library system, or indeed, public records system, in Wisconsin. Some states are putting births, deaths, and marriages on line. Illinois, John, has started a web site, as has Pennsylvania, but you haven't got anyone there to look up, have you. Transplanted Wisconsin families ought to keep their puny, withered cheeseheads quiet about their former state, which appears to still be locked into the 20th century record keeping system. To the dismay of family researchers who want their answers NOW, and want them cheap, too. Ashley JQMagie@aol.com wrote: > Note to Ashley + other WI wildlife, relocated state birds, etc.-- > I hope, Ashley, that you had a nice visit in Independence, MO. But if > you were essentially looking for the BIG Mormon genealogy library, I wonder > whether someone gave you some bum driving directions. > The Reorganized Church of Latter Day Saints is now headquartered in > Independence, MO (formerly Plano, IL), and their main library, I think, is > still in Independence at 1001 W. Walnut Street. But, if you were trying to > find the really BIG Mormon library, you made a few wrong turns. Instead you > should have gone somewhat farther west---> to Salt Lake City, UT, the home of > the other (and bigger) Church of Latter Day Saints and their very BIG > genealogy library. > Here in Illinois we are actually BETTER auto drivers partly because we > generally abstain from driving, drunk or sober, while trying to balance large > chunks of cheese on our heads. Also, compared to you cheeseheads, we spend > more time driving autos than snowmobiles. We also tend to guzzle less Blatz, > Pabst, Millers (oder die Müller?), etc., while driving ANY vehicle. > US President Harry S Truman, "the Man from Independence" (and formerly a > somewhat unsuccessful haberdasher there, reportedly), once wisely stated > that: <<the only thing new in the world is the history you don't know.>> > .........John (in Chicago) > _______________________________________________________ > > > Subj: Re: [WiMilwau] avoiding the scary G word! > > Date: 7/24/01 3:03:27 PM Central Daylight Time > > From: grubisic@netwurx.net (Ashley Tiwara) > > Reply-to: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com > > To: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Maxine, John, and the list, > > A recommendation for library research: the Mid-Continental library in > > Independence, MO..... Should you be there at the G*E*N*E*A*L*O*G*Y > > library, the librarians actually expect you to ask questions..... > _______________________________________________________ > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog

I guess we are off subject...but, what about the word creek. I usually say "crik", down here they say "creeek"..like the ruf and roof. Now that I've been out of Wisconsin for so many years, I can spot a Wisconsin "accent" and tell the difference between Michigan and Minnesota...it's amazing.

Hello Actually here in northern Wisconsin, we only have 3 seasons, July, August and winter. Doug Subject: [WiMilwau] Wisconsin's 4 Seasons > Ashley neglected to remind us all of Wisconsin's 4 seasons: > > 1. Almost Winter > > > > > > > 2. Winter > > > > > > > 3. Still Winter > > > > > > > 4. Construction > > Go to the head of the class if you can both spell & pronounce Butte des > Morts and Kinnickinnic! > > Mary Popovich > Phoenix, AZ > Where the high today was 105 > Forecast high for Friday, July 27 - 110 > Ah, but it's a DRY heat ... > > > > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > >

Ashley neglected to remind us all of Wisconsin's 4 seasons: 1. Almost Winter 2. Winter 3. Still Winter 4. Construction Go to the head of the class if you can both spell & pronounce Butte des Morts and Kinnickinnic! Mary Popovich Phoenix, AZ Where the high today was 105 Forecast high for Friday, July 27 - 110 Ah, but it's a DRY heat ...

Love the posting. Lived in Racine/Milwaukee from birth till 18. Then Baltimore for 6 yrs, and now Florida for 11. Your notes are soooo true! After 16 yrs of marriage my hubbie still teases me about certain words: Bag (as in paper bag) = pronounced with a short a, eastern shore long a Dime (money) = pronounced diyem (or so he says that is how I say it) Bagel = same short a as bag You's guys = IT IS A WORD!!! Roof = I say Ruf he says roooooof What is with non-Wisconsiners? They need speech therapy, after their Friday Fish Fry at the Serb Hall in Milwaukee!!!! Thanks for the snickers! Lori S

Maxine, John, and the list, A recommendation for library research: the Mid-Continental library in Independence, MO, next to Kansas City, keeps its obituaries zeroxed and bound in books (local newspapers). If you know the name of your deceased relative, or if you have an exact or approximate date, it's very easy for the librarian to look it up for you and respond via internet or phone. Should you be there at the G*E*N*E*A*L*O*G*Y library, the librarians actually expect you to ask questions. Yeah, a whole library just for genealogy, and everything accessible, not in a basement storage room. They do workshops too. Ashley "Joseph J & Maxine M. Capezza" wrote: > To John, etc. > I substitute at our local library and I always resented the librarians > saying "genealogist" with that tone of distaste. Then, after receiving > several calls and visits from people saying "can you tell me my > history"...I get the idea why we have the reputation. Although I still > resent the attitude, I sometimes share it. > > When I sent to Wisconsin for a birth certificate (my own...to obtain a > passport) I had to fill out a form and tell them why I wanted it! This > surprised me as I was paying for it. What difference could it be to them > what I was going to do with it. But it seems if you want it for > genealogical purposes, it takes MUCH longer for them to send it, i.e. they > answer genealogical requests LAST. Now this isn't an attitude of an > individual but it seems to be the state's opinion of genealogists. > > Anyway, this is off topic (maybe)...just venting a little. Nothing we can > do about it, but be nice so everyone knows what good people we are. We are > preserving the past for generations to follow us. That's a good thing. > > Have a good day. > > Maxine Capezza > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

> This was apparently written by Carol Snyder, a Wisconsinite living in TX. > Most of us laugh at recognizing the neighbors. > > It's supposed to get cooler this afternoon, and > I did notice that I am not dripping on the keyboard as I type this, > Ashley > > > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:04:35 -0500 > > From: Carol Snyder ( and light editing from Ashley ) > > > You know you are from Wisconsin when... > > > > Your whole family wears green and gold to church on Sunday. > > You define summer as three months of bad sledding. ( Other definition is > > the two months allowed for highway construction ) > > Snow tires come standard on all your cars. > > You refer to the Packers as "we." > > You have gotten frostbitten and sunburned in the same week. > > You can identify an Illinois accent. ( This is the state to the > > south. They have accents, drive badly, and bring their jet ski's up here > > with them weekends ) > > You know what cow-tipping is. > > You learned to drive a tractor before the training wheels were off your > > bike. > > Down South to you means Chicago. > > Traveling coast to coast means going from La Crosse to Milwaukee. > > A brat is something you eat. > > You know that Eau Claire is not something you eat. > > You have no problem spelling Milwaukee. > > You consider Madison exotic. > > You got a passport to go to Minnesota. ( Where the state bird IS the > > mosquito. We only joke about it ) > > You don't have a coughing fit from one sip of Pabst Blue Ribbon. > > You can actually pronounce Oconomowoc. > > You know what a bubbler is. > > Your idea of creative landscaping is a statue of a deer next to your blue > > spruce. ( The Yuppies have either a cow or a flamingo ) ( The > > natural landscapers have a large--2 ton --rock and a tamarack, which is a > > native evergreen tree, but one that sheds its needles in fall ) > > Your neighbor throws a party to celebrate his new machine shed. > > You go out for fish fry every Friday. ( If you do this up North, you > > go to a supper club. Milwaukee goes to a tavern ) > > You can recognize someone from Illinois from their driving. > > You know how to polka. > > You drink soda and refer to your dad as "pop." > > Formal wear is blue jeans & a baseball cap. ( In winter, a sweater > > over the t-shirt. Most eating places and taverns say " No shoes, No shirt, > > No service" on the entry door. Formal places do not have this sign, it is > > thought unnecessary ) > > You were unaware there is a legal drinking age. > > Your 4th of July Family Picnic was moved indoors due to frost. > > You know where Waukesha is AND can pronounce it. > > You decided to have a picnic this summer because it fell on a weekend. > > You can visit Luxemburg, Holland, Belgium, Denmark, , New London & > > Poland all in one afternoon. ( On a different afternoon, Paris and New > > Berlin for canoeing. ) > > You only know three spices: salt, pepper, and ketchup. ( She forgot > > the steak sauce ) > > You design you Halloween costumes to fit over a snowsuit. > > You've seen mosquitoes with landing lights. > > You have more miles on your snowblower than your car. > > You enjoy driving in the winter because the potholes fill in with snow. > > Your sexy lingerie is tube socks and a flannel nightie. > > You owe more money on your snowmobile than on your car. > > The local paper covers major headlines on 1 page, but requires 4 pages for > > sports. ( Adults without children in school do sometimes go to the local > > football, basketball, baseball games for entertainment. What to do Friday > > night? Go to the game after the fish fry. ) > > At least twice a year, your kitchen doubles as a meat processing plant. > > Your snowblower gets stuck on the roof. > > You think the start of deer season is a national holiday. ( It actually > > is: the rest of the country calls it Thanksgiving ) > > You find 0 degrees a little chilly. (She moved to TX, remember? The > > southern part of the state thinks 15 is chilly. That's in 15 below. Up > > north, 30 is chilly. Yeah, 30 below. Southern wimps! 30 above is WARM, > > means spring comes next week) > > You know what to do with a Blatz. > > You actually understand these jokes. > > You forward them to all your Wisconsin friends. ( You think about putting > > this on the genealogy bulletin board but why should you warn the > > emigrants. Let them find out later like everyone else ) > > > > > > Carol Snyder > > University of Texas-Pan American > > Cataloging

To John, etc. I substitute at our local library and I always resented the librarians saying "genealogist" with that tone of distaste. Then, after receiving several calls and visits from people saying "can you tell me my history"...I get the idea why we have the reputation. Although I still resent the attitude, I sometimes share it. When I sent to Wisconsin for a birth certificate (my own...to obtain a passport) I had to fill out a form and tell them why I wanted it! This surprised me as I was paying for it. What difference could it be to them what I was going to do with it. But it seems if you want it for genealogical purposes, it takes MUCH longer for them to send it, i.e. they answer genealogical requests LAST. Now this isn't an attitude of an individual but it seems to be the state's opinion of genealogists. Anyway, this is off topic (maybe)...just venting a little. Nothing we can do about it, but be nice so everyone knows what good people we are. We are preserving the past for generations to follow us. That's a good thing. Have a good day. Maxine Capezza

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 7/23/01, Faith writes: > Subj: Re: [WiMilwau] 1890 Census Substitute > Date: 7/23/01 10:54:40 AM Central Daylight Time > From: blount@netnet.net (Faith A. Blount) > To: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com > > Does anyone know what states, cities or names did > survive the fire? Or do we have access to what is left? > Thanks, > Faith blount@netnet.net > > The Roots of my tree. > ACKERMANN, ARTHUR, BAXTER, > BLOUNT, CARTER, DAVISSON, EICH, FRIEND, > GLASSBURN, GREENE, ROEDER, > ROTH(E), SPINLER, STILTNER, > TRITT, WOODS. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JQMagie@aol.com> > To: <WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 11:45 PM > Subject: [WiMilwau] 1890 Census Substitute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Faith, etc.-- below is what Ancestry.com says about what survives of the 1890 US Census, and apparently Ancestry has already put much of this online: ______________________________________________________ http://ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/5445.htm <<These records have been extracted from the remaining population schedules for the 1890 Federal Census, which was destroyed by a fire at the Commerce Department in Washington, DC on 10 January 1921. The surviving fragments consists of 1,233 pages or pieces, including enumerations for Alabama, the District of Columbia, Georgia, Illinois, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, South Dakota, and Texas. The records of only 6,160 of the 62,979,766 people enumerated survived the fire........ The only surviving fragments are as follows: Alabama—Perry County District of Columbia—Q, S, 13th, 14th, RQ, Corcoran, 15th, SE, and Roggs streets, and Johnson Avenue Georgia—Muscogee County (Columbus) Illinois—McDonough County: Mound Township Minnesota—Wright County: Rockford New Jersey—Hudson County: Jersey City New York—Westchester County: Eastchester; Suffolk County: Brookhaven Township North Carolina—Gaston County: South Point Township, Ricer Bend Township; Cleveland County: Township No. 2 Ohio—Hamilton County (Cincinnati); Clinton County: Wayne Township South Dakota—Union County: Jefferson Township Texas—Ellis County: S.P. no. 6, Mountain Peak, Ovila Precinct; Hood County: Precinct no. 5; Rusk County: Precinct no. 6 and J.P. no. 7; Trinity County: Trinity Town and Precinct no. 2; Kaufman County: Kaufman. Fields in this database include: given name, surname, relationship, race, gender, age, birthplace, father's birthplace, and mother's birthplace. If you cannot find your family in this database, it may be useful to look at Ancestry.com's 1890 Census Subsitute. [This information comes from Loretto Dennis Szucs and Sandra Hargreaves Luebking, eds. "Research in Census Records." The Source: A Guidebook of American Genealogy, rev. ed. Ancestry, Inc.: Salt Lake City, 1997.] Source Information: Ancestry.com. 1890 U.S. Federal Census Fragment. [database online] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2001. Data imaged from: National Archives and Records Administration. 1890 United States Federal Census, M407, 3 rolls. Washington, DC: National Archives and Records Administration, 1962.>> ______________________________________________________ Also, Faith, you mention that you are researching CARTERs. This is of course a fairly common surname. So your links to MY Carters are a long shot. But I thought I'd mention that one of my g-g-grandfathers was Henry Kendall Carter (1802-1890). He was born in and died in the Hartford, CT, area-- but much of his adult was spent as a cotton broker in Macon, GA, and New Orleans, LA. He in turn was a g-g-grandson of the Rev. Thomas Carter (1609-1684), who was a 1633 graduate of Cambridge Univ. in England and, from 1642 to 1684, was the first Puritan minister of Woburn, MA. You also express an interest in ACKERMANs. And below, for what it's worth (probably not very much), is an abridged printout from my database on Ackermans: 1st Generation: David ACKERMAN #9220 b. 1615, AFN:8DF9-JF, m. 09 16 1641, Netherlands, Elizabeth BELLIER #9221, b. 01 24 1616, AFN:99XP-22, d. 1668, Harlem, NY, NY. 2nd Generation: David ACKERMAN b. 1653, Netherlands, bap. 10 05 1653, AFN:99XP-6Q, m. 03 13 1680, in New York, NY, NY, Hillegond VERPLANCK b. CIR 1660. David died 1714. 3rd Generation: Mary ACKERMAN b. 1690, New York, NY, NY, AFN:FHMR-1R, m. Swain OGDEN b. CIR 1687, Newark, Essex, NJ (son of David OGDEN and Elizabeth SWAIN), d. 04 20 1755, Hackensack, Bergen, NJ. Mary died 11 24 1756, Orange, Essex, NJ, bur. Main Street Cem., Orange, NJ. 4th Generation: Samuel OGDEN b. 05 20 1716, Hackensack, Bergen, NJ, AFN:B698-ZR, m. CIR 1766, in NJ, Phebe BALDWIN b. 1724, d. BEF 1789, Orange, Essex, NJ. Samuel died 1789, Orange, Essex, NJ. 5th Generation: Sarah OGDEN b. 1744, Orange, Essex, NJ, m. 10 10 1765, in Essex Co., NJ, John EDISON b. 1740, NJ, AFN:B68Z-7R, d. 1814, Port Burwell, ON, CAN, bur. Bayham Twp., Elgin Co., ON, CAN. Sarah died Port Burwell, ON, CAN, bur. Bayham Twp., Elgin Co., ON, CAN. John was a banker and Loyalist, who emigrated from the NYC area to Canada in 1783. Inventor Thomas Alva Edison (1847-1931) was one of John and Sarah's descendants. =================================================

Looking for descendants of Anthony Jurkowski & Agnes Koslakowicz (sometimes spelled Koslakiewicz). The were married at St. Stan's in 1877. Their children included: Josefa m. Apolloniaris Brzkala (also spelled Bronkalla) Anthony m. Mary Baldziekowski Anna m. Leon Karnowski Peter m. Rosalia Wojtal Joseph m. Anna Kabat Helena m. Alexander Bronk Mary Popovich

Looking for descendants of Peter Josef Beling (sometimes spelled Behling) and Marianna Wodowski. Their daughters were married from St. Josaphat parish: Antonia m. Frank Sabiniarz Marianna m. Frank Benski Augustina m. Julius Czyzkowski Rosalia m. John Gajewski Mary Popovich

Looking for descendants of Vincent KLECZKA and Theofila NAPIERALA who were married at St. Stan's and later were members of St. Josaphat parish. Mary Popovich

Does anyone know what states, cities or names did survive the fire? Or do we have access to what is left? Thanks, Faith blount@netnet.net The Roots of my tree. ACKERMANN, ARTHUR, BAXTER, BLOUNT, CARTER, DAVISSON, EICH, FRIEND, GLASSBURN, GREENE, ROEDER, ROTH(E), SPINLER, STILTNER, TRITT, WOODS. ----- Original Message ----- From: <JQMagie@aol.com> To: <WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 11:45 PM Subject: [WiMilwau] 1890 Census Substitute > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On 7/18/01, Coralie writes: > > > Subj: [WiMilwau] 1890 Census > > Date: 7/18/01 6:56:23 PM Central Daylight Time > > From: CoralieJA@aol.com > > Reply-to: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com > > To: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com > > > > If you seek records from this census, you well may be out of luck. The > > census records--except for an extremely small subset--burned in a fire > > many years ago. This is very frustrating to all of us who seek family > > from that era. > > > > Coralie J. Allen > > seeking Quackenbush, Bartz, Jackson in Milwaukee County > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > To Coralie and other listers-- > First, thanks to Coralie for YOUR thanks in your kind off-list note > earlier today. And I apologize for now including a revised version, in my > present on-list posting, of some of the stuff that I sent you off-list > yesterday. > Maybe many of you are aware of the following. But I especially wanted > to emphasize now that, even though almost all of the 1890 US Federal Census > was destroyed long ago (as Coralie points out above), an impressive project > is now underway to create an "1890 Census Substitute." > Ancestry.com writes that they, with the aid of the US National > Archives, have now begun providing an online substitute for the missing 1890 > census. <<More than 20 million records have been identified for inclusion in > the collection and additions will be made regularly as they become available > for posting. It will include fragments of the original 1890 census that > survived the fire, special veterans schedules, several Native American tribe > censuses for years surrounding 1890, state censuses (1885 or 1895), city and > county directories, alumni directories, and voter registration documents.>> > See more at: > http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/census/1890sub/main.htm > The above URL now primarily leads the researcher to persons listed in > all Ancestry.com's online directories of ca. 1890. And hundreds of these > volumes are now online, including directories for New York City (#1 US city > in population in 1890), Philadelphia (#3), Brooklyn (#4) [absorbed by NYC in > 1898], St. Louis (#5), Boston (#6), and Baltimore (#7). Chicago (#2) and > Cleveland (#11) seem to be the only major cities in 1890 that are still not > represented by online directories of ca. 1890. Yet Milwaukee is covered by > TWO directory compilations that frame a three year period: 1889-1891. See: > http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4749.htm > -- plus (of limited value)---> > http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/5259.htm > Below, in response Coralie's research focus, are examples of some of > the goodies one can print out by signing up for Ancestry.com's current FREE > offer: > <<Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial..... Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB.>> > Also included below is some sample (Quackenbush) Census data, mostly > for 1860. This too is a printout (abridged) from Ancestry.com-- and some > Wisconsin counties may be missing from this. Unfortunately Ancestry seems to > include no Federal Census data at all for WI in 1870 and 1880, even though > Ancestry's data does include (for example) IL & MN Census data for 1870, plus > much additional data for IL & MN in 1880. > Personally I prefer freebies, and I'm only rarely an Ancestry.com > member. And once again I find myself about to send out a far more > long-winded posting than I had originally intended. Sorry. .......John (in > Chicago) > > ------------------------------------------ > http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/census/1890sub/main.htm > ----> main link to the 1890 CENSUS SUBSTITUTE > ======================================================== > > http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/3581.htm > > EAU CLAIRE, WI-- DIRECTORIES: > > Name, Business Name, Occupation, Residence, City, State, Year > > Edward C QUACKENBUSH Eau Claire Street Railway Co clerk 411 1/2 S > Barstow Eau Claire WI 1889, 1890 > Edward QUACKENBUSH C A Dewey driver Eau Claire WI 1891, 1892 > Edward QUACKENBUSH E C St Ry car operator 116 Niagara Eau Claire > WI 1893 > ======================================================== > > http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4749.htm > > MILWAUKEE, WI-- DIRECTORIES: > > QUACKENBUSH -- 1 match in 1890 only > > 1889 Directory: > [QUACKENBUSH- no listing] > John HAGERTY [owner] saloon and boarding house 200 E. Water r. same. > > 1890 Directory: > R. QUACKENBUSH laborer r. 200 E. Water > John HAGERTY, Jr. [owner] saloon and boarding house 200 E. Water r. same > > [200 E. Water in 1890 refers to a location on what is now N. Water St., > probably close to its intersection with modern E. St. Paul Ave. There were > no Bartz or Jackson listings at 200 E. Water in 1889 + 1890.] > _________________________________________________________ > > JACKSON -- 1808 matches in 1889 + 1890 > [Mostly references to Jackson St. in downtown Milwaukee ---> omitted > (mercifully)!] > > If you're looking for Mrs. Benjamin B. Jones > (nee Nancy or "Fanny" Jackson, 1811-1895), > or even Mrs. John J. Collier (Magdalena Quackenbush, > born 1705), JQM has more on both!!] > > Mrs. Fanny Jones [nee Jackson] r. 356 Jefferson Milwaukee 1889 > Mrs. Fanny Jones [nee Jackson] r. 351 Van Buren Milwaukee 1890 > _________________________________________________________ > > GARTZ -- 0 matches > _________________________________________________________ > > BARTZ -- 26 matches ---> > > 1889 Milwaukee Directory: > August Bartz house-mover r. rear 1803 Vliet. > Charles Bartz laborer r. 1088 24th. > Edward H. Bartz clerk 5 Grand avenue r. 436 Jackson. > Frank Bartz carver r. 270 16th. > Frederick Bartz laborer r. 1088 24th. > Frederick Bartz laborer r. 1462 Kinnikinnic avenue > Frederick Bartz teamster r. e. s. 23d, between North avenue & Elm. > Herman Bartz r. 363 Rogers. > John Bartz laborer r. 763 3d avenue > John Bartz tanner r. rear 618 Lloyd. > Ludwig Bartz house-mover r. 270 16th. > Ludwig Bartz laborer r. e. s. 23d, between North avenue & Elm. > Martin Bartz tanner r. 1091 N. Water. > > 1890 Milwaukee Directory: > August Bartz house-mover 309 16th. > Charles Bartz laborer r. 1088 24th. > Edward H. Bartz clerk 5 Grand avenue r. 436 Jackson. > Frank Bartz carver r. 270 16th. > Frederick Bartz laborer r. 1462 Kinnickinnic avenue > Gottlieb Bartz laborer r. 774 23d. > Herman Bartz carpenter r. 363 Rogers. > John Bartz laborer r. 763 3d avenue > John Bartz lanner r. 695 3d. > Louis Bartz house-mover 276 16th r. same. > Louis Bartz laborer r. 774 26d. > Martin Bartz laborer r. 974 Donsman. > Otto Bartz laborer r. 2603 Bismarck. > ____________________________________________________________________ > ============================================================ > > http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/3581.htm > > WISCONSIN CENSUS, 1860-most + 1890-veterans > > Year, Surname, Given Name, County, State, Page, Township etc., Database, ID# > _______________________________________________________ > > Federal Census, Wisconsin-- 1860: > > 1860 QUACKENBUSH AUGUSTINE Columbia County WI 517 Pacific WI456152944 > 1860 QUACKENBUSH P. Columbia County WI 240 Dekorra WI456152966 > 1860 QUACKENBUSH J. H. Grant County WI 049 Boscobel WI456152953 > 1860 QUACKENBUSH JAMES R. Green Lake Co. WI 983 Mackford WI456152956 > 1860 QUACKENBUSH JOHN Green Lake County WI 982 Mackford WI456152958 > 1860 QUACKENBUSH HENRY Jackson County WI 1095 Manchester WI456152948 > 1860 QUACKENBUSH JOHN H. Jackson County WI 1093 Manchester WI456152960 > 1860 QUACKENBUSH JOSEPH Jackson County WI 1118 Melrose WI456152961 > 1860 QUACKENBUSH TANY Jefferson County WI 231 Jefferson WI4561529691 > 1860 QUACKENBUSH EZRA La Crosse County WI 009 Barre WI456152946 > 1860 QUACKENBUSH HIRAM La Crosse County WI 009 Barre WI456152951 > 1860 QUACKENBUSH JOSEPH La Crosse County WI 195 Neshonoc WI456152962 > 1860 QUACKENBUSH EMILY Racine County WI 842 Rochester WI456152945 > 1860 QUACKENBUSH GERTRUDE Racine County WI 636 Burlington WI456152947 > 1860 QUACKENBUSH LAMBERT Racine County WI 841 Rochester WI456152963 > 1860 QUACKENBUSH HENRY Rock County WI 689 Turtle WI456152949 > 1860 QUACKENBUSH RICHARD Rock County WI 161 Bradford WI456152967 > 1860 QUACKENBUSH W. Sauk County WI 445 Baraboo WI456152970 > 1860 QUACKENBUSH JACOB Walworth County WI 296 Hudson WI456152954 > 1860 QUACKENBUSH LUKE Walworth County WI 453 Sharon WI456152964 > 1860 QUACKENBUSH NANCY Walworth County WI 454 Sharon WI456152965 > 1860 QUACKENBUSH SOLON Walworth County WI 501 Spring Prairie WI456152968 > 1860 QUACKENBUSH ISAAC Waukesha County WI 187 Vernon WI456152952 > 1860 QUACKENBUSH JACOB Wood County WI 940 Dexter WI456152955 > _______________________________________________________ > > Wisconsin-- 1890 Veterans Schedule: > > 1890 QUACKENBUSH DELEVAN P. Jackson County WI 005 E.D. 143 Black River > WI09627753 > 1890 QUACKENBUSH ERNEST Jackson County WI 001 E.D. 150 Manchester > WI09627754 > 1890 QUACKENBUSH JOHN -DEC- Jackson County WI 002 E.D. 150 Manchester > WI09627757 > 1890 QUACKENBUSH MARIAH -W- Jackson County WI 002 E.D. 150 Manchester > WI09627758 > 1890 QUACKENBUSH ABNER La Crosse County WI 001 E.D. 170 La Crosse > WI09627752 > 1890 QUACKENBUSH JAMES Milwaukee County WI 092 N.W. Branch Ntl Home > WI09627756 > 1890 QUACKENBUSH ISAAC Vernon County WI 001 E.D. 250 Bergen Township > WI09627755 > ____________________________________________________________________ > ============================================================ > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >