Yes, Vliet is a somewhat major East-West Street in Milwaukee on the near northside. It is named after an early surveyor and townsman, Garrett Vliet. Bob of Brookfield

It is a street. I've driven down it when I have been to Milwaukee. Dave

Mary Popovitch's article was interesting regarding Milwaukee neighborhoods. I grew up a bit north of what they now call Brewer's Hill....around Third and Wright in the 1950's. We moved to the suburbs in the mid 1950s and I would say the area started looking like inner city blight way before the riots. About 15 years ago we spent a week in a cabin north of Milwaukee. On Sunday the visiting priest came to talk about his mission. Usually these missions are in South America or Africa. His mission was the inner city Catholic schools right in my old neighborhood! We talked to him a bit and told him I thought the area looked like a war zone with boarded up windows, etc. He said that at that time it looked much better than it had looked for a long time. A few month ago my brother and I drove through the area. Our house is still there. It looks bad. Around the corner on Second Street some of the house look great. I guess it's sort of a hit and miss thing. But in general the area is very run down. It was a great area. But all of Milwaukee is not run down. My dad grew up in Bay View. That is a well kept place and although I don't know what it used to look like, it looks good now and seems like it always did. Lake Drive looks like it never changes...but maybe the real estate doesn't change hands either. Is this off subject? Pray for Peace, Maxine

Jenny, Vliet is the name of the street. Looks odd on the printed page, but is pronounced, more or less...va leet. I'm sure someone will send you the Ward number. I don't have it. Good luck. At 05:11 AM 9/29/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all, >I came across the name of my ggreat-grandparents in the 1890 Milwaukee >city directory (Ancestry's online version) and I was hoping someone could >help me with the information it gives. Under a column labeled "Location >2" it lists "1309 Vliet." I assume this is an address but the name of the >street looks like it's abbreviated, does this ring a bell with >anyone? The complete listing given is > >John Reschlein, occupation - molder, Location 2 - 1309 Vliet., City - >Milwaukee, State - WI, year 1890 > >If this is an address, does anyone know what Ward and E.D. this location >would have been in in 1900? > >Thanks > > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > Pray for Peace, Maxine Capezza

Hi all, I came across the name of my ggreat-grandparents in the 1890 Milwaukee city directory (Ancestry's online version) and I was hoping someone could help me with the information it gives. Under a column labeled "Location 2" it lists "1309 Vliet." I assume this is an address but the name of the street looks like it's abbreviated, does this ring a bell with anyone? The complete listing given is John Reschlein, occupation - molder, Location 2 - 1309 Vliet., City - Milwaukee, State - WI, year 1890 If this is an address, does anyone know what Ward and E.D. this location would have been in in 1900? Thanks

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I started attending Marquette University in 1969 and that fall applied for a job at a neighborhood library on Walnut Street. I've always been relatively fearless, not to mention at least a little naive, and walked from my dorm at 11th & Wisconsin to the library (in late afternoon) and back (in early evening). I seem to recall both empty lots and new "low-income housing," mostly side-by-side duplexes and 4-plexes. This area was a center of urban renewal, possibly because of some minor rioting, but also because the area was already run-down. About 5 or 6 years ago, I drove through that neighborhood again and it seemed like the housing was either in a bad state of repair or had been torn down or boarded up. The neighborhood had deteriorated rapidly within about 20 years. I think I may have read about some scandal regarding shoddy workmanship or substandard materials being used. Sadly the neighborhood around 20th to 27th & Highland has also deteriorated. This was an area of mansions belonging to many of Milwaukee's captains of industry. Unfortunately, their size made them unsuitable for an average family, and so they were broken up into either apartments or taken over as frat houses for Marquette. Many of them were gone, boarded up or empty lots when I passed through. Milwaukee lost some fine architecture here. Now we have only photos and our memories and imaginations to help us visualize what life was like there 100+ years ago. Mary Popovich

Ashley -- many thanks for your apology of Weds. afternoon and your very thoughtful followup of early Thursday. I accept your apologies fully and very gratefully. It was immediately clear to me that your "Address change conversions" posting of earlier on Weds. (the one you appear to have mistakenly sent to the WiMilwau list, rather than me personally) was only semi-serious in tone. But I suspect that several listers took your seemingly heavy-duty tirade at face value-- and were unaware that there was a large element of pretend (or mock) indignation in your posting. So I'm glad that you clarified this publicly. Prior to 1987, when I started working on a centennial history of a family oil processing firm that had been founded in Milwaukee in 1888 (and then moved to the Chicago area in 1894), I believe I had visited Milwaukee only twice in my life-- and very briefly each time. Before that, in the late 1960s, I was administering some rush historic preservation projects in Nebraska and upstate New York. At that time, I certainly knew a lot about what was happening in the Chicago area, where I had grown up-- but almost nothing about goings-on in Milwaukee. I thought that recently someone told me that there was some significant rioting in Milwaukee in the late 1960s-- and I wondered whether this might partly explain why I had noticed (about two years ago) so many vacant lots west of I-43 on Cherry and Galena streets-- an area that had already become densely populated by the early 1860s. But you've lived your entire life in Wisconsin-- and, if you say that this Milwaukee rioting was actually rather minor, I must certainly defer to your superior (and personal) knowledge about these things. Thanks again for your recent postings. And now back to the more interesting stuff-- history and genealogy. ........John (in Chicago)

I am a first timer trying to trace my g grandfather who is listed on his sons birth certificate as being born in Milwaukee 1857+_ his name as listed on his sons social security application is Thomas James Cawley.......wifes name Bridget Jenney Murphy.....we have no other family that we know of that could help us find him....he had a son Thomas Andrew and we think a daughter named maybe Daisey..this is a big brick wall for me I guess and any help will be so great and exciting.... I have also seen it spelled Cawle Looking forward to hearing from someone.....

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume your family was Irish Catholic. In the 1850s there were only 2 parishes in Milwaukee your ancestor could have been baptized at: St. Gall's, which then was located right in what is now downtown Milwaukee (records go back to 1849), and the Cathedral (originally St. Peter the Apostle) of St. John the Evangelist (records go back to 1840). Since technically there were no birth certificates in Milwaukee County (any prior to 1872 were filed retroactively), you need to rely on the parish records. These are available on microfilm through the LDS family history centers nationwide, as well as at some other repositories in Milwaukee. Mary Popovich Busia's Roots, Genealogy

What I wrote yesterday, which I thought was private to a good friend, was thru carelessness both very damaging to the friend and posted publicly. I took a sentence out of context and added comments to it that were entirely mine, based on past history and my own reactions to it. This has hurt my friend deeply and that was never my intent. When we go thru life sticking oversized feet into our mouths, walking one-legged becomes difficult. John has been my good friend for a year and more. He's been endlessly helpful to others also. What had started as a quirkily humorous comment somehow got out of hand; in the rush to send it and go onto the next message, I didn't think clearly and found what was intended as private, and perhaps amusing, became public and painful. I did not intend harm yet it has been done. Somehow I keep thinking of America and our time of trial. What we do often impacts on others. Seldom has what started out as a shared odd humor come back at me with the other friend in pain from it. Yet all of us know the pain of injury that wasn't intended. I hope our country's future is less personally painful for all but I can see no easy resolution for the attacks of September 11. Unfortunately, what reads like an attack in my comments of yesterday also has been wounding and in this case it was inadvertent. I'd like to repeat that John has been my friend and a very helpful one. He is a big hearted, helpful friend to many on this list. I did not intend hurt with yesterday's message but have done more than irritate. I am sorry. Another friend wrote, counseling patience, and offering up a story about damages unintentionally inflicted. I don't have permission from him to quote this, but would like to think good intentions here on my part would allow it. "The world has been, is now, and I am sorry to say will probably always be race orientated. All we can do is live our lives with love for all mankind and hope that we will be able to influence a few here and there. " When we act without thought, as I did yesterday, the influence, however positive in its beginnings, becomes negative in its endings. I didn't look at the consequences and have done damage. One writes in haste, other people pay. With regret, Ashley Ashley Tiwara wrote: > Apologies to the list and to John. I thought I sent this privately and am > horrified to find it posted. When I got home last night, I found 471 e-mails, and > I've been working hard trying to clear them. Unfortunately, I became careless > about the address on this reply. I assure all it was unintentional and I will try > to be more careful. > > Embarassedly, > Ashley > > > Very very few buildings burned in Milwaukee at that time. Major amounts > > were torn down for the freeway and for development purposes. The power > > structure was then and remains now unilaterally white and male. > > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

To: Angela in N.Z. I recieved this from my son in Wisconsin today. Hope this helps you find your ancestors. Bill Haines Laguna Hills, Ca. There is an old cemetery on Northcape Rd and Ryan Drive (County trunk OO) which is technically Muskego. It is called "Luther Parker Cemetery". Originally called "Durham Hill Cemetery". It was given to early English neighbors by a man named Levi Guild, in 1836, and dedicated to Muskego's most illustrious pioneer and first European settler named Luther Parker. It is marked with an historical sign near the road now. It is overgrown with natural vegetation but the sign says that the original settlers buried their neighbors there amongst the wild flowers on the prairie and they are trying to keep it looking like it did at that time. They do a yearly burn off of the area in Spring and that is the best time to visit to view the gravesites. Do you think this is the cemetery she could be speaking of? It is very close to Hales Corners.

Apologies to the list and to John. I thought I sent this privately and am horrified to find it posted. When I got home last night, I found 471 e-mails, and I've been working hard trying to clear them. Unfortunately, I became careless about the address on this reply. I assure all it was unintentional and I will try to be more careful. Embarassedly, Ashley > Very very few buildings burned in Milwaukee at that time. Major amounts > were torn down for the freeway and for development purposes. The power > structure was then and remains now unilaterally white and male. >

John, i sometimes wonder if you are part of the 20th century. See below for an instance. Very very few buildings burned in Milwaukee at that time. Major amounts were torn down for the freeway and for development purposes. The power structure was then and remains now unilaterally white and male. This I suspect is not an issue which you have cause to be sensitive to. However, I have always had black, Negro, or African-American friends, and I am perhaps tired and irritable with all this quantity of mail: the riot in Milwaukee was negligible compared to other urban areas, with as I recall, 4 deaths, which may not have been riot related, and perhaps 4? buildings set on fire. As you know, times have changed, and Milwaukee now can have 4 murders and 4 arson fires in a day. I remind you that Chicago sometimes has those statistics in an hour. Gayle JQMagie@aol.com wrote: > Pam, etc.-- some time ago, I pointed out that the online Milwaukee > directories of 1889 and 1890 both list your possible ancestor Kasimir > (Casimere?) ZIPFEL at 1315 Cherry St. <see: > http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4749.htm>. > etc. > in the very unlikely event > that this Zipfel home still exists. I suspect that many old 9th Ward > buildings disappeared during the rioting following the 1968 assassination of > Martin Luther King, Jr. ........John > > ============================== > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > If you know how to reduce these risks. > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html

Also, the same volume of history answers another question I have seen posted to this site, where was the Town of Lake. The original border was from Lake Michigan down Greenfield Avenue to what is now 27th St., then straight south all of the way to College Avenue, then east back to Lake Michigan and finally up the shore line again to Greenfield Avenue. Bay View was originally a part of the Town of Lake. Over the years from 1859, Cudahy, St. Francis, & Milwaukee also took parts of it and finally the remainder consolidated with Milwaukee. Bay View also consolidated with the City of Milwaukee. Bob of Brookfield

Just started reading my 20th volume of Milwaukee City & County history, The Story of Bay View by Bernard C. Korn, principal of the high school. He states, on page 101: As early as 1850, Bishop Henni had provided for an orphanage to be operated by his diocese. This institution, first located in temporary quarters in Milwaukee and operated by the Sisters of Charity, was soon moved to the St. Francis site and placed under the Sisters of St. Francis. An "unpretentious fram house erected in 1854" was the first of many buildings to serve the orphanage, now known as St. Aemillanus Orphan Asylum, over the coming years. The Reverend M. M. Gerend later recalled, "In 1861 and 1866, the number of orpahsn having increased to about eighty-five, additions were built which again proved insufficient in 1973. Then a large brick building was put up at a cost of about $15,000." With the establishment of the orphanage at St. Francis, the religious community enjoyed its frist real growth. However, when Wisconsin's first institution for the training of Roman Catholic priests was also located there in the 1850's, the community's development was significantly enhanced.

Hello, Do you know if there are any history books referring to Fox Point Village? I was raised there during the early 1940's and moved away in 1948. I live in CA and have not been back and was wondering if the area has changed very much. What is today's population? The Fox Point website does not tell me much at all. Very much interested in my past, Alice

The 1889-1890 City Directories list August, Charles, Edward, Eva, Frank, Fred., George J., John, John, Joseph, Lena (widow of Geo.), Lorenz, Max, Nicholas, Philip, Otto, William. Which of these interest you? I can then provide occupations and street addresses. Mary Popovich

Would anyone know if there are /were any listings for present, or late 1800's directory(or inbetween) for a family named Schuster? There was at least a Bertha Schuster at one time in Milwaukee. . any info would be appreciated!! Pam

Our John Wierschem was born About July 30, 1815 in Rhineland (Kovich Govt. Coblenz, King IB, Germany) Prussia. He married Margaretha Landvogt, born Oct. 18, 1817 in Kover, Germany. Sons, Peter and Joseph were born in Germany in 1843. A son, Nicholas, and daughter, Catherine, were born in Chicago. I know there are Wierschem's in Milwaukee. In Iowa last week at a genealogy conference I met a Wierschem from northern Wisconsin who is undoubtedly kin. Can anyone help me on this? Joyce March in Kenosha, WI where John Wierschem's family lived and died.