from a note I wrote to a friend in the southwest, which has numerous ancient sites, too, many better known and better protected than those in the Midwest: > Still raining here and the cats would have spent the whole day in > my bed under the quilt but for my driving an hour and a half north to > an archaeology fair and forcing them into the cold kitchen where they > are safe while I'm gone. Wisconsin has more Indian mounds than > anywhere in the world, some quite large ones, but many, many in > south-eastern WI. This lecture included a tour but because of rain > and mud we got out of the vehicles only once. It was amazing. Right > along the road, a quarter mile of mounds, many round or conical, just > humping along on top of a ridge that defined a stream, between it and > the road. One panther style mound visible and from the graphic > accompanying our handout, about 6 more stretched out on this ridge > further off. In private hands, of someone who values it enough to mow > the grass there so we could see the shapes, but stories circulated in > the group of all the new construction, especially the 300,000 dollar > houses which took out several mounds in a town I didn't know. > How long will these mounds survive? Pressure constantly from > Urban Sprawl. The abysmal failure to educate people to not destroy > the past. Imagine! These home builders are so out of it they > destroyed thousand year old artifacts to build their oversize homes > instead of being so intensely proud of what they'd acquired, > artifacts they could have chosen to protect, showcase, and preserve. > And it was raining the whole time and this group of wet adults and > one pre-kindergartener walked reverently thru American history in a > 3-dimensional shape. Marvelous day. > Ashley This event described in part above was the Horicon Marsh archaeology fair, which I would have posted to the WI list if I'd heard of it before Thursday. Upcoming events at Horicon include Animal Medicine on October 14, the fall migration ( geese? ) on October 20, the Niagara escarpment and later, the WI ice age, on October 27. For more information contact: http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/land/wildlife/reclands/horicon/ A reminder: lecture in Lake Park Pavilion, Milwaukee, 7 pm October 17, by the authors of <Indian Mounds of Wisconsin>, free and with free parking.

Debbie, The only closest name to SAULT/SALT is SALZMAN. Sorry. Janice

That's ok, thanks for checking Janice.. I appreciate it. Blessings, Debbie -----Original Message----- From: j.l.hackbarth@att.net [mailto:j.l.hackbarth@att.net] Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 4:32 PM To: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [WiMilwau] Re: Granville Debbie, The only closest name to SAULT/SALT is SALZMAN. Sorry. Janice ============================== Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!

Hello, Could you kindly look up Martha Heindorf and Paul Heindorf and August Henschell in the 1912 Thanks in advance Carolyndirectory of Milwaukee ----- Original Message ----- From: Jenny <jenny@bethurem.com> To: <WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 4:32 AM Subject: [WiMilwau] Lookup offer > Hi all, > > I have films at the FHC for a couple more weeks so I thought I'd offer to > do some lookups. The two films are > > The 1912 Milwaukee city directory, and > > The 1900 Wisconsin Soundex R236 Nellie thru R255 Guy > > If you'd like a lookup please email me PRIVATELY at jenny@bethurem.com and > put "Milwaukee Lookup" in the subject. I will do them in the order I > recieve them. Please keep in mind that the local FHC is only open 20 > hours/week and I'm at work 7 of those hours so it might take me a couple of > weeks to get to your lookup. > > Jenny > > > ============================== > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > If you know how to reduce these risks. > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html >

You'd think I'd learn never to send email at 3 in the morning! I actually have the soundex for the 1920 Wisconsin census R236 Nellie thru R255 Guy, not the 1900 soundex. Jenny

Hi all, I have films at the FHC for a couple more weeks so I thought I'd offer to do some lookups. The two films are The 1912 Milwaukee city directory, and The 1900 Wisconsin Soundex R236 Nellie thru R255 Guy If you'd like a lookup please email me PRIVATELY at jenny@bethurem.com and put "Milwaukee Lookup" in the subject. I will do them in the order I recieve them. Please keep in mind that the local FHC is only open 20 hours/week and I'm at work 7 of those hours so it might take me a couple of weeks to get to your lookup. Jenny

I had no trouble at all reading the screen. Dave >Mary, > Thanks for this posting. I had just heard of it at the FEEFHS conference last weekend but hadn't gotten around to trying the site. Found several people for whom I'd been looking for death dates . It's got lots of information posted already. > Unfortunately, I had to print out whatever I was interested in. The screen for me, on a Mac with Netscape as the browser, was unreadable. The type face is mostly in a yellow ink against a grey background, the results page also, so to read the dates and places of burial and so on, I was forced to print it out. > Is it my computer and its settings, or do others have an enormous problem reading both the messages/ instruction page and then the results on the next page? > >Regards, >Ashley > >tepalmer@execpc.com wrote: > >> Dear List, >> >> The Milwaukee Archdiocese has put cemetery information on its web site. You can search by surname and also find the names of others buried in the same plot. It provides information on date of death, date of burial, age, marital status and address at time of death, funeral home, name of cemetery and location of grave. >> >> So far, I have found information on persons buried at Calvary, Holy Trinity, and Holy Cross cemeteries. There may be others. It says that more data is going to be added. >> >> This valuable resource is at >> http://www.cemeteries.org/genealogy/genealogy01.asp >> >> Mary Palmer >> >> ============================== >> Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >> Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. >> http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > >============================== >Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history >learning and how-to articles on the Internet. >http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > __________________________________________________________________________ Get free email with the family history touch (e.g., you@familytreemail.com) at www.familytreemagazine.com

HI There, I am wondering if there is any information in this book about any SAULT or SALT families in Milwaukee? Thanks, Blessings, Debbie -----Original Message----- From: j.l.hackbarth@att.net [mailto:j.l.hackbarth@att.net] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 9:08 PM To: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WiMilwau] Re: Granville Hi! Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. My aunt passed away and her funeral was the other night, plus I was sick for a day with a type of an ear infection. Anyway. . . Nenow is listed in the Town of Granville book. On the 1880 census Frank Nenow, age 21, RR laborer, of Pommern, and Otto Nenow, age 23, RR laborer, of Pommern are listed with the Jacob Steinmetz family. The explanation was given, that Steinmetz was running a hotel, and these railroad workers were staying at the hotel. The railroad ran near the hotel, so it was logical that they stay there. Beerbaum's are listed, but with the Hackbarth family. Wilhelmine Hackbarth married August Beerbaum and they lived in Menomonee Falls. Salzman is listed: "Information on the Dehling family from St. Peter's Lutheran Church records, Trinity Lutheran Church of South Mequon and Kenneth Salzman, Shawano, Wisconsin, a descendant." Klett is listed under miscellaneous "K" families: Godfry Klett, age 47, farmer, from Germany Jane, age 33, from Germany Fred K., age 17, from Germany Antone, age 15, from Germany Rinhart, age 7, from Germany They lived next to the Benjamin Ewers. The information that I have on the Beerbaum family is this: August Herman Beerbaum born 1839 in Pommerania married 30 June 1867 in Town of Granville, Wisconsin at St. Peter's church to Wilhelmine Caroline Hackbarth. His father is Peter Beerbaum, and mother was Engel (this was her first name, no surname was listed.) Their children: "Henry" Heinrich Herman Beerbaum, born 23 May 1868 in Town of Granville, Wis. Wilhelmine Beerbaum, born 9 Jan 1870 in Town of Granville, married Charles H. Hackbarth 26 Dec 1891. She died 15 Mar 1957. August Beerbaum Martin Beerbaum Does that help you any? > Hi Janice: > Thanks for the addresses of the two cemeteries. > > I would be interested in the book if I knew that my family was mentioned. The > names would be Niepow/Neipow/Ninpo/Ninow, etc., > Bierbaum, Beerbaum, Baerbaum, etc. > Saltzmann, Salzman, etc. > Klett > > Any help you can give me will be appreciated. Thanks > Marcie > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > ============================== Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history learning and how-to articles on the Internet. http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library

Hi! Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. My aunt passed away and her funeral was the other night, plus I was sick for a day with a type of an ear infection. Anyway. . . Nenow is listed in the Town of Granville book. On the 1880 census Frank Nenow, age 21, RR laborer, of Pommern, and Otto Nenow, age 23, RR laborer, of Pommern are listed with the Jacob Steinmetz family. The explanation was given, that Steinmetz was running a hotel, and these railroad workers were staying at the hotel. The railroad ran near the hotel, so it was logical that they stay there. Beerbaum's are listed, but with the Hackbarth family. Wilhelmine Hackbarth married August Beerbaum and they lived in Menomonee Falls. Salzman is listed: "Information on the Dehling family from St. Peter's Lutheran Church records, Trinity Lutheran Church of South Mequon and Kenneth Salzman, Shawano, Wisconsin, a descendant." Klett is listed under miscellaneous "K" families: Godfry Klett, age 47, farmer, from Germany Jane, age 33, from Germany Fred K., age 17, from Germany Antone, age 15, from Germany Rinhart, age 7, from Germany They lived next to the Benjamin Ewers. The information that I have on the Beerbaum family is this: August Herman Beerbaum born 1839 in Pommerania married 30 June 1867 in Town of Granville, Wisconsin at St. Peter's church to Wilhelmine Caroline Hackbarth. His father is Peter Beerbaum, and mother was Engel (this was her first name, no surname was listed.) Their children: "Henry" Heinrich Herman Beerbaum, born 23 May 1868 in Town of Granville, Wis. Wilhelmine Beerbaum, born 9 Jan 1870 in Town of Granville, married Charles H. Hackbarth 26 Dec 1891. She died 15 Mar 1957. August Beerbaum Martin Beerbaum Does that help you any? > Hi Janice: > Thanks for the addresses of the two cemeteries. > > I would be interested in the book if I knew that my family was mentioned. The > names would be Niepow/Neipow/Ninpo/Ninow, etc., > Bierbaum, Beerbaum, Baerbaum, etc. > Saltzmann, Salzman, etc. > Klett > > Any help you can give me will be appreciated. Thanks > Marcie > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

Mary, Thanks for this posting. I had just heard of it at the FEEFHS conference last weekend but hadn't gotten around to trying the site. Found several people for whom I'd been looking for death dates . It's got lots of information posted already. Unfortunately, I had to print out whatever I was interested in. The screen for me, on a Mac with Netscape as the browser, was unreadable. The type face is mostly in a yellow ink against a grey background, the results page also, so to read the dates and places of burial and so on, I was forced to print it out. Is it my computer and its settings, or do others have an enormous problem reading both the messages/ instruction page and then the results on the next page? Regards, Ashley tepalmer@execpc.com wrote: > Dear List, > > The Milwaukee Archdiocese has put cemetery information on its web site. You can search by surname and also find the names of others buried in the same plot. It provides information on date of death, date of burial, age, marital status and address at time of death, funeral home, name of cemetery and location of grave. > > So far, I have found information on persons buried at Calvary, Holy Trinity, and Holy Cross cemeteries. There may be others. It says that more data is going to be added. > > This valuable resource is at > http://www.cemeteries.org/genealogy/genealogy01.asp > > Mary Palmer > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

Fantastic site! My new favorite of the week. Dave >Dear List, > >The Milwaukee Archdiocese has put cemetery information on its web site. You can search by surname and also find the names of others buried in the same plot. It provides information on date of death, date of burial, age, marital status and address at time of death, funeral home, name of cemetery and location of grave. > >So far, I have found information on persons buried at Calvary, Holy Trinity, and Holy Cross cemeteries. There may be others. It says that more data is going to be added. > >This valuable resource is at >http://www.cemeteries.org/genealogy/genealogy01.asp > >Mary Palmer > > >============================== >Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. >http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > __________________________________________________________________________ Get free email with the family history touch (e.g., you@familytreemail.com) at www.familytreemagazine.com

Mary: I found this site on 10/1...I couldn't believe it! I found my father's entire family back 3 generations! I had some but the rest was a blessing! Thank you to the Milwaukee Archdiocese! Lori

Dear List, The Milwaukee Archdiocese has put cemetery information on its web site. You can search by surname and also find the names of others buried in the same plot. It provides information on date of death, date of burial, age, marital status and address at time of death, funeral home, name of cemetery and location of grave. So far, I have found information on persons buried at Calvary, Holy Trinity, and Holy Cross cemeteries. There may be others. It says that more data is going to be added. This valuable resource is at http://www.cemeteries.org/genealogy/genealogy01.asp Mary Palmer

Reposted. Please send list postings to Wimilwau-L@rootsweb.com for immediate automatic posting. Thanks, Bob Fay ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: Bohlbuster@aol.com Date sent: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 01:33:33 EDT Subject: Needing Cemetary Assistance in Milwaukee To: WIMILWAU-admin@rootsweb.com I have been told that Bob of Brookfield is particularly resourceful in providing assistance in the oldest cemetaries in Milwaukee. The reason I am interested in the Milwaukee cemetaries is that I am trying to locate the cemetary where my grandparents were buried and secure whatever information that may be inscribed on the gravestone. BACKGROUND INFORMATION: My great-grandfather's name was Johann Carl Friedrich Grundemann better known as "Carl Grundemann". He and his first wife, Fredrika (nee: Henke) Grundemannn, came to the U.S. from Germany sometime during 1857 and moved to Milwaukee. She died sometime after giving birth to 2nd daughter in Dec 1858 and before Nov 1861. Carl remarried to Wilhelmina Panzram on 30 Nov 1861 and the minister's name was Rev. Fred Lochner per marriage certificate. Carl & Wilhelmina Grundemann had 3 more children. Carl died in a grain elevator accident (drowned in a bin of wheat, we think) approximately 1865. Wilhelmina Grundemann remarried to Martin Helwig on 13 Feb 1866 and the family moved to southern Minnesota sometime after that. I noted that on the marriage certificate of both of Wilhelmina's marriages that the pastor was Rev. Fred Lochner. According to the book, "History of Milwaukee", Rev. Fred Lochner was the minister of the Trinity Evangelical Lutheran Church on corner of Prairie and Nineth Streets in Milwaukee from 1850 to 1876. As far as I can tell, the Trinity Lutheran Church is still at the same location which current address is: 1046 N. 9th Street Milwaukee, WI 52233. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW: I think that the name of the minister and his church should be a big clue as to the whereabouts of the cemetary where Johann Carl Friedriche Grundemann (Carl Grundemann) and his first wife, Fredrika Grundemann are buried. Like I said before, the best estimate of the time of her death is during Dec 1858 through mid-1861. Carl Grundemann died approximately 1865, we think. If their cemetary can be located (assuming they are buried in the same cemetary, perhaps together), I would like to know any possible information that is inscribed on the headstone(s) and any possible information or records maintained by the administrative office for the cemetary. I want to thank you at this time for your time and effort in this project. I have been looking for my great-grandparents for a long time, and I am hoping that this request for look-up assistance may help me provide much more information about my grandparents than I have presently. Sincerely, Roy A. Bohlman 11488 Pine Drive Gulfport, MS 39503 Tele: 228 832-2745 E-Mail: bohlbuster@aol.com ------- End of forwarded message -------

Here's the link to find locations for FHCs worldwide. You must select a country. After that, your best bet is to search by county rather than city. Searching by city brings up only the Calumet FHC within Milwaukee proper. Searching by county brings up the Hales Corners branch as well. http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp Mary Popovich Phoenix

Hi folks, First, thanks to all with the FHC info. Birmingham and Eisenberg are very knowledgeable on the Indian Mound cultures and I had the chance to meet them at a booksigning at the Kenosha Museum earlier this year. There are many quite well preserved Indian Mounds at Mound Cemetery at Washington Avenue and West Blvd in Racine. The original survey of Indian Mounds in the Wisconsin was by Increase Lapham and showed many more in the area but those outside of the cemetery have been destroyed. According to the book by Birmingham and Eisenberg mounds were so numerous in Wisconsin that "opening Indian Mounds was a popular Sunday afternoon activity during the late nineteenth century" (p.34) And for those interested in the mammoth skeletons found in Paris township, Kenosha county, there are Indian mounds noted near the mammoth site in the original mound survey of the area. The mammoth skeletons are about 10,000 years old and some mounds are believed to date to a similar prehistoric date. Also, the mammoth skeletons are on display at Kenosha's recently opened new museum on the lake. (don't need to go to Egypt for ancient history after all!) Birmingham is the State Archaeologist in the Division of Historic Preservation, and Eisenberg is a forensic anthropologist and coordinator of the burial sites preservation program, both with the State Historical Society of Wisconsin. You may remember Eisenberg's name in connection with the issue with the cemetery that the MMSD wanted to disrupt last year. Bob Fay On 9 Oct 2001, at 18:21 Ashley Tiwara <WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com> wrote: > The free lecture on Indian Mounds in Wisconsin, which was to have > been offered the week of the September 11 bombings, has been > rescheduled. > Lake Park Friends in Milwaukee is bringing in the authors of the > recent book about Wisconsin mounds, Robert Birmingham and Leslie > Eisenberg. Eisenberg just returned from New York and was quoted in > today's Milwaukee Journal in an article about the difficulties of > identifying the many dead there in the World Trade Center collapse. She > acts as a forensic pathologist for the State Historical Society and > volunteered her time for several weeks to assist in the extraordinary > efforts necessary following this disaster in New York. Birmingham also > works for the SHS of Wisconsin, as the state anthropologist. > Please mark your calendar for 7 pm on October 17. That's next > Wednesday. The lecture will be given in the community room of Lake Park > Pavilion, where the Bistro restaurant occupies the first floor. > The Pavilion is off the east end of Newberry Blvd, a few blocks from > UWM. Parking is free, the lecture is free too. For more information, > please call Delores, past president of the Friends, at 414) 332-0994. > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

The free lecture on Indian Mounds in Wisconsin, which was to have been offered the week of the September 11 bombings, has been rescheduled. Lake Park Friends in Milwaukee is bringing in the authors of the recent book about Wisconsin mounds, Robert Birmingham and Leslie Eisenberg. Eisenberg just returned from New York and was quoted in today's Milwaukee Journal in an article about the difficulties of identifying the many dead there in the World Trade Center collapse. She acts as a forensic pathologist for the State Historical Society and volunteered her time for several weeks to assist in the extraordinary efforts necessary following this disaster in New York. Birmingham also works for the SHS of Wisconsin, as the state anthropologist. Please mark your calendar for 7 pm on October 17. That's next Wednesday. The lecture will be given in the community room of Lake Park Pavilion, where the Bistro restaurant occupies the first floor. The Pavilion is off the east end of Newberry Blvd, a few blocks from UWM. Parking is free, the lecture is free too. For more information, please call Delores, past president of the Friends, at 414) 332-0994.

Bob, www.Familysearch.org shows the following: Milwaukee Wisconsin 9600 W. Grange Avenue Hales Corners, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin, United States Phone: (414) 425-4182 Hours: T-Th 8:30am-3:30pm, 6:30pm-9pm; F 8:30am-3:30pm; Sat 12pm-3:30pm. Closed: 2 weeks over Christmas & New Years. AJ

Marcie, Are you anywhere near a college or university with a German department? I'd suggest taking your certificate or a zerox of it to someone there, who would be very familiar with German Gothic handwriting. At the FEEFHS conference last weekend, one workshop on German Gothic turned up lots of information helpful to me or anyone else attempting to read old manuscripts from Europe. The lower-case h for instance looks to me like an f and comes above and below the line. The capital S looks like our capital L. It's almost entirely different from what I thought Gothic handwriting looked like and I did buy two primers on how to deal with it, after the presentation. I think you need an expert to read it to you, but that would be possible at your local college, or maybe the local German fraternal organization. Hang on, Ashley Spud-z wrote: > Hi Vikki: > Thanks for taking the time to do the Niepow lookup and sending the information to me. I certainly appreciate it. > > Unfortunately, I have none of the names you wrote of. I checked the given names also. I have not given up on this at this time. I have a old yellowed copy of a birth record written in German. The surname is not written as Niepow but more like the names you sent me. An individual that lives in Germany looked at this record and she said it is all written in old German and she couldn't read old German. Also, during the reign of Hitler old German was discontinued. She did say that she knew the last letters of the name did not end in po. So I feel that there might be a chance that the information you have uncovered may be my family. > > I have information Frederich William Niepow (1858-1941) b. in Silver Creek, NY., m Bertha Bierbaum b. in Pommern. You have a Frank & Otto Nenow that were born in Pommern. Are there any Bierbaum/Baerbaum's listed in the book that you have? > > Louisa Niepow, the ancestor I wrote of in my first email had 10 siblings, 6 born before her birth & 4 after. I have all of them as being born in Milwaukee but now feel that is incorrect & that some of the siblings were born in Granville also. > > Thanks again for your help. If you find any Bierbaum's I would appreciate knowing about them. > > Marcie > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

Shari My uncle used to work at Gridley dairy in Milwaukee, I believe that they were purchased by Borden. You may want to try the Borden Co. Ken in North Carolina Nosey9999@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know where I could get a photo of the Gridley Dairy, circa > 1915-1920, located in Milwaukee at about 14th & National Avenue? > > TIA! > > Shari > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp