I've joined this list to help my Aunt Becky investigate the story of Arabella Jahn, my (maternal-maternal) great-grandmother's sister. She was the daughter of Henry and Arabella Jahn. Henry operated a barber shop in downtown Milwaukee at the turn of the century. Arabella may have taken her own life in 1908, after giving birth to a daughter out of wedlock. We suspect the girl was given up for adoption. The story my aunt has uncovered was written in the Milwaukee Journal at: http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/oct01/stincol14101301a.asp The newspaper story led another genealogical researcher to find a lying-in record that showed the father's name as Raymond Lamboy. - John

Catherine Schmid is almost certainly right that the Pabst Mansion is the one in your story. The history of the Pabst Mansion http://www.pabstmansion.com/history/ states that it was owned by the Archdiocese of Milwaukee from 1908 to 1975. Then for 3 years it was in danger of becoming a parking lot until purchased by Wisconsin Heritages, Inc. (not the City of Milwaukee) and opened to the public. Your grandmother remembers working there in 1908; however, the online history states that Captain Pabst died in 1904 and his wife in 1906 and the mansion was sold in 1908. Perhaps she worked for an heir? The Alfred Uihlein Mansion (the family that owned Schlitz) on 5th Street was demolished, if my memory serves, in the early 70s. A room from that mansion, however, was reconstructed in the Milwaukee County Historical Society Museum. A book entitled "Milwaukee Landmarks" by Richard W.E. Perrin, first published in 1968 and updated in 1979, does not mention any mansions from the Miller or Blatz families. (The appendix of this book has photos of houses demolished since the original publication.) As to who the noble Viscount was -- that's something that would be fun to research in the old newspapers of the day. I'm sure that there would have been mention of such a visitor in the society pages. The Milwaukee Sentinel is on microfilm at the Milwaukee Downtown Library. (The Journal is on microfilm too, but the Sentinel was "the" paper back then.) I understand you can order microfilms to be sent to your local library via interlibrary loan (assuming your local library has a microfilm reader). You would have a fairly narrow range of years to look for through, but it could take quite a while if you're like me and get caught up in looking through the ads and letters to the editor and all those other wonderful insights into life as it was almost a century ago! Mary Popovich Phoenix, AZ

Thank-you, Mary. I'll check with him, too! Regards, Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Popovich" <busia@mindspring.com> To: <WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [WiMilwau] Brookfield, WI / Okruhlica Golden Wedding Anniversary 1966 > I don't recall seeing an answer to this question. I found the following in > the online white pages: > > David F Okruhlica > 270 N 113th St > Milwaukee, WI 53226 > > Mary Popovich > Phoenix, AZ > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

On 6 Nov 2001, at 17:25 JQMagie@aol.com <WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I wonder how reliable these 35,000 BP dates are for South America > especially. > Sounds like a lot of unsubstantiated hype to me-- One person's unsubstantiated hype is another person's gospel truth. It depends on the criteria you require to prove substantiation. > > [Early human settlers] had too much fun petting the saber-toothed cats > > and collecting the hairs of the hairy mammoths........ > > Maybe we're getting increasingly off-topic. You're reading my mind here John. Try the list at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sewis/Mound_List.htm Then you'll be on topic and other subscribers will be interested. But my understanding is > that > saber-tooth cats were indeed relatively tame One can hardly imagine how a scientist came to a conclusion on the tameness of a wild carnivorous cat that became extinct thousands of years ago! the > > > date of the earliest human settlements in North America are about > > > 12,310 years ago. Apparently there are three sites proven to be of > > > that age by carbon dating and two of them are in Kenosha county. > A very helpful article above-- but where is the third site that's > NOT in > Kenosha County? New Mexico? My recollection is that it is at Clovis, New Mexico But I know relatively little about > Milwaukee's geology during the same time span-- and I soon hope to learn > more. Nevertheless, my suspicion is there WAS a final glacial advance > that may have stalled about 13,000 BP to the east of the present > Milwaukee River and then permanently retreated to the northeast. There lots of evidence that the last glacier, the "Wisconsin" period timeframe went farther south. How it stalled and sputtered and left the masses of rocks and how they were rearranged by the torrents melting off the glaciers is pretty localized though. That may be what you are observing. But very of these survive within the city of Chicago itself-- > maybe due partly to the former erosive action of lake water pouring > through the ancient Chicago Outlet and into the Mississippi drainage > system. Oh, I see. The morraines were there but got scrubbed away as the glacial torrents sought an outlet. Makes sense. Bob Fay > It was this Outlet, created by the scouring action of the escaping > waters > of "Lake Michigan," as they drilled southwesterly through several high > glacial moraines encircling Chicago, that led to Chicago's emergence as > one of the largest US cities. About 4000 years ago the lake waters that > formerly flowed through this Outlet began flowing over Niagara Falls > instead. But all that was needed was a primitive canal completed > through this outlet in 1848 to link the waters of New York City and New > Orleans-- and thereby launch Chicago as a major world transportation > hub. .........John (in Chicago)

Gimbel's in Milwaukee was part of the same department store chain as the Gimbel's in competition with Macy's in "Miracle on 34th Street." Mary Popovich

Perhaps this was the Pabst mansion? It is currently 'toured' and 'on display'. Just a thought. Perhaps those more informed on the details could add to this... Good luck! I loved the story! Catherine Rose Schmid ckschmid@tds.net

==================================================== > Subj: Re: [WiMilwau] humans in Milwaukee 13,500 years ago!? > Date: 11/5/01 9:39:24 PM Central Standard Time > From: grubisic@netwurx.net (Ashley Tiwara) > Reply-to: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com > To: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com > > John, > How did I happen to miss your long article posted to the WI-Milwaukee > list? I must have deleted it in my sleep early this morning. Stranger things have been known to happen (see below). > The glacial lake is always called Lake Chicago by archaeologists. > Lake Michigan is merely the present lake. Yes, Gayle, I know. And actually I referred to "Lake Chicago" in the initial draft of my posting yesterday. But this term seemed too technical, and so I decided to replace this with "Lake Michigan" (surrounded by quotation marks). Geologists say that the Lake Chicago period ended about 11,000 BP ("Before Present") and was followed by the Lake Chippawa low phase-- attested by the recently discovered Olson Drowned Forest and its tree stumps (ca. 8300 BP) that are located 80 feet below the present surface of Lake Michigan and several miles east of Chicago's north suburban shoreline. This low phase was followed by the higher Nipissing phase, ca. 6000-4000 BP, when "Lake Michigan" rose again (for reasons that I won't bore you with now) to about 25 feet above its present level and once again flowed into the Mississippi River to the southwest of the submerged site of Chicago's Loop. I think it's interesting to contemplate that at the time the Pyramids at Giza, Egypt, were being constructed (ca. 4700-4500 BP) most of Chicago and large sections of Milwaukee were apparently still submerged under what geologists call Lake Nipissing. > I cannot see why anyone who has read at all about prehistory would think > humans were only just arriving in North America at 12 or 13 thousand > years ago. Reliably dated sites exist down the coast of South America > including Chile at that time and earlier. Dates individually not given > credence exist in the thousands for sites in South and North America that > go back 35,000 and 40,000 years. ....... I've done very little reading recently on this interesting subject-- but I wonder how reliable these 35,000 BP dates are for South America especially. Sounds like a lot of unsubstantiated hype to me-- but I well be wrong, and I also suppose that some sort of Kon-Tiki expedition from, say, Africa to South America 35,000 years ago is theoretically possible. On the other hand, my understanding is that human occupation sites over 35,000 years old HAVE been reliably identified in Alaska and the Yukon. But partly because land access between the Yukon and the 48 US states was mostly blocked by vast ice sheets for thousands of years prior to about 13,000 BP, no reliable evidence of a pre-13,000 BP human presence in North America outside of Alaska and the Yukon has yet been found. At least, this is my nonprofessional impression of things. > [Early human settlers] had too much fun petting the saber-toothed cats > and collecting the hairs of the hairy mammoths........ Maybe we're getting increasingly off-topic. But my understanding is that saber-tooth cats were indeed relatively tame compared to the giant so-called "short-nosed bears" which perhaps originated in South America. These beasts were fast-moving and were apparently far more dangerous to humans than modern tigers and lions. However, due to the accelerated influx of humans and their domesticated dogs, etc.-- plus the Old World diseases imported by all of these new arrivals-- these nasty New World bears became extinct about 9,000 BP. > Robert W Fay wrote: > > > John and all, > > > > I'm not an archaeologist but from the local newspaper reports, the date > > of the earliest human settlements in North America are about 12,310 > > years ago. Apparently there are three sites proven to be of that age by > > carbon dating and two of them are in Kenosha county. They find it based > > on the existence of butchering marks on the bones of mammoths. Here > > is a newspaper article describing it. > > http://www.shsw.wisc.edu/kids/mammoth/news.htm A very helpful article above-- but where is the third site that's NOT in Kenosha County? New Mexico? > > Perhaps I'm wrong but doesn't the absence of moraines in Chicago > > indicate that the last glacier never reached that far south?...... I feel I have a reasonably good basic grasp of metro Chicago geology over the past 15,000 years or so. But I know relatively little about Milwaukee's geology during the same time span-- and I soon hope to learn more. Nevertheless, my suspicion is there WAS a final glacial advance that may have stalled about 13,000 BP to the east of the present Milwaukee River and then permanently retreated to the northeast. But actually there's plenty of significant glacial end moraines that still surround Chicago, and these extend down into southern Illinois and Indiana. But very of these survive within the city of Chicago itself-- maybe due partly to the former erosive action of lake water pouring through the ancient Chicago Outlet and into the Mississippi drainage system. It was this Outlet, created by the scouring action of the escaping waters of "Lake Michigan," as they drilled southwesterly through several high glacial moraines encircling Chicago, that led to Chicago's emergence as one of the largest US cities. About 4000 years ago the lake waters that formerly flowed through this Outlet began flowing over Niagara Falls instead. But all that was needed was a primitive canal completed through this outlet in 1848 to link the waters of New York City and New Orleans-- and thereby launch Chicago as a major world transportation hub. .........John (in Chicago)

Milwaukee Historian and Researchers, Today is my first day subscribing to the Milwaukee Rootsweb site. I have made a "query" on one section of rootsweb site but am worried that I might have posted it in the wrong place to get a response from people that know the history of the families living in Milwaukee during the early 1900's. I am posting the same message here to make sure the people that I think might know something of the history of the Milwaukee Beer Barons will have the opportunity to reply to my question. Forgive me if the same message comes up twice on your computer. Here goes: Subject: Wilwaukee Beer Baron Families Family Name: Anna Herbst Woldt Hembel My Question: When I visited my grandmother Anna Herbst Woldt Hembel in the summer of 1976, she told me the story of her going with her sister to work in Milwaukee Wisconsin at the home of a wealthy beer baron. Anna Herbst was born in Door County Wisconsin in 1889. Grandmother told me the name of the brewery that the family owned but I have forgotten the name. She said that the beer baron�s family home had been deeded to the city of Milwaukee and was open to the public (the date of the interview was 1976). The beer baron�s house was very grand with a complete wait-staff, butler, upstairs maids, downstairs maids, head housekeeper, cooks, gardeners and a chauffeur. The owner had a large study on the main floor. It was furnished with grand tables, large leather chairs and divans. One wall was covered from floor to ceiling with a bookcase filled with beer steins of every color, from every country and every size imaginable. Grandmother told me the following story about working in this home in Milwaukee; "One of my main jobs was to dust the steins everyday and to pour the one bottle of beer that the owner drank each day. I had to keep track of which stein was used the day before and pour the beer into the next stein in order on the shelf. I was instructed by the owner to take the full bottle of beer and tip in over into the bottom of the stein until it almost touched the bottom of the glass. Then as the beer emptied into the stein, I was told to slowly raise the bottle, keeping the mouth of the bottle submerged in the beer, until the bottle was empty and the stein full of beer. The owner didn't like a foam head to form on his beer and told me that was the only way to pour beer into a glass. It took almost a year to get through all the glasses before I started over again." She also told me the story of the house being prepared for the arrival of a Viscount and his family from Austria, whose daughter was engaged to the son of the family grandmother worked for. The staff had been working for days getting the house in order for their arrival. The mistress of the house had ordered new curtains and linens for all the rooms through out the house. Everything in the house was washed down, dusted, polished and waxed. At the downstairs entrance to the kitchen, the drive was lined with wagons and carriages delivering pheasants, quails, chickens, turkeys, lambs, fish, beef and pigs, fruits, vegetables and wines. The cooks baked all kinds of cakes, pasties, pies, puddings and breads. There was a large walk-in "pie safe / icebox" that had shelves that lined the walls to the ceiling and all of them were full of foods that had been prepared for the arrival of these very special guests. All of Milwaukee was talking about the "royalty that was coming to town" a! nd everyone wanted to get an invitation to at least one of the many parties that were being held in their honor. The Viscount arrived with a large party traveling with him. It was such a fun story to hear from my grandmother. Until that evening, I had never known that she worked as an "upstairs maid" in a grand house. My favorite TV program at the time was "Upstairs Downstairs". I could visualize vividly everything that grandmother was talking about; the house, the wait staff, the people attending the parties, their dress, everything! This setting that grandmother had lived a small part of her life was like an episode right out of the PBS television series "Upstairs Downstairs". Are there any "Milwaukee Wisconsin Beer Baron" history buffs out there who could help me connect this story to the name of the family that grandmother worked for at the turn of the century circa 1908? What is the Milwaukee Beer Baron family's name, what was the title and name of the family that their their son married, and what country was that titled family from??? It is such a great story about grandmother�s past that I wanted to make sure that I had all of my facts correct. Sandra Wright sandrawright2001@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume on Yahoo! Careers.

Here is a good site - in progress - to get some background information on Milwaukee. You may even want to contribute to it. http://134.48.55.172:8000/cuap/index.shtml It's being done by the University of Marquette. Pray for Peace, Maxine Capezza

Curious about Gimbal's store; could someone tell me if this was a chain or a sole store that happened to be in Milwaukee in the early 1900's? There was a Gimbal Bros in SF around the same time, could be just a coincidence but curious about this. . . . Thanks again!! Pam again ______________________________________________________

I don't have a specific date of death, wondering if anyone would mind checking at the library(or is there another place), index would be fine, and I will order a cert. . . . for a surname of Striese(or Streese), surname could be wither Wilhelm OR Johann or John; he seemed to go by Wilhelm on his child's baptismal cert and John on marriage cert. Thanks so much for any help!! Sincerely, Pam ______________________________________________________

Wondering if anyone going to the library (or LDS?) would mind doing a lookup of either or both 1905 or 1915 census for the address at 967 - 12th St. Could be a Leffmann, Hellberg name or anyone else!! Any help is GREATLY appreciated!! Sincerely, Pam ______________________________________________________

John, How did I happen to miss your long article posted to the WI-Milwaukee list? I must have deleted it in my sleep early this morning. The glacial lake is always called Lake Chicago by archaeologists. Lake Michigan is merely the present lake. I cannot see why anyone who has read at all about prehistory would think humans were only just arriving in North America at 12 or 13 thousand years ago. Reliably dated sites exist down the coast of South America including Chile at that time and earlier. Dates individually not given credence exist in the thousands for sites in South and North America that go back 35,000 and 40,000 years. The sum of these dates suggests to anyone logical that people from Asia moved into the Americas in waves and that this began at least 20,000 years ago. What, you think they all marched south at a pace of 20 miles a day so that they could get to Chile in 14,736 BP? Nonsense, they had too much fun petting the saber-toothed cats and collecting the hairs of the hairy mammoths to make blankets to want to make a forced march of the journey south. Hmm, I wonder how long felted mammoth blankets survive in burials? Or is weaving the older process? Ashley Robert W Fay wrote: > On 5 Nov 2001, at 8:04 JQMagie@aol.com <WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Ashley <grubisic@netwurx.net> just forwarded the following > > Wisconsin > > State Historical Society article, which is dated 1999 but may possibly > > have been revised in early 2001. > > 13,500 years ago seems like a surprisingly early date for proven > > human > > settlement in Wisconsin, and I wonder whether anybody knows whether this > > date has now been nationally accepted by archaeologists. > > John and all, > > I'm not an archaeologist but from the local newspaper reports, the date of > the earliest human settlements in North America are about 12,310 years > ago. Apparently there are three sites proven to be of that age by carbon > dating and two of them are in Kenosha county. They find it based on the > existence of butchering marks on the bones of mammoths. Here is a > newspaper article describing it. > http://www.shsw.wisc.edu/kids/mammoth/news.htm > > Kenosha, long time host to an incredibly small museum constructed from > in an abandoned stone Post Office building (moved by hand on rollers to > its present site in the early 1900's), has recently opened a new museum > which features those mammoth discoveries and several displays about > early human habitation on the edge of the last retreating glacier. They > must not have an official webpage yet but I found this: > http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/aug01/goulcol27082601a.asp > > Its located on the former site of the "Lakefront Plant" owned by > Chrysler, aka Renault, aka American Motors, aka Nash Motors, aka > Simmons Mattress. Its kind of an uncomfortable combination of art > museum and natural history museum. Theres an interesting traveling > display from the Great Lakes Maritime Museum on the second > all about 19th century maritime industry around Lake Michigan in > particular. > > One tires quickly though of the hype that surrounds every announcement > from that museum though as everything is preceded with the word > "Mammoth" ala "Mammoth Grand Opening" etc etc. > > > My guess, based mostly on my amateur reading of USGS maps > > <http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com>, is that in 13,500 BP, thick > > glaciation may have still have covered the NE section of Milwaukee. > > Also tiny "Lake Michigan" (then blocked to the north and east by > > retreating ice sheets) was about 60 feet higher than today and probably > > extended westward to about South 22nd St., north of Lincoln Ave. > > I don't remember the details but wasn't there a Lake Chicago at some > point in the local prehistory as well? > > Also, > > the southwestern shore of Milwaukee Bay then probably ran along the > > eastern edges of present Forest Home and St. Adalberts cemeteries-- both > > located on top of glacial moraine that has apparently remained mostly > > unaffected by lake and river erosion (also human intrusions) over the > > past 14,000 years or so. > > At the same time, almost all of the present site of Chicago would > > have > > been under proglacial "Lake Michigan" > > Perhaps I'm wrong but doesn't the absence of morraines in Chicago > indicate that the last glacier never reached that far south? There are > morraines north and north west of Chicago so they must have gotten > pretty close to the future city. > > -- which explains why Chicago and > > much of Illinois is so flat (a sad fact that webmaster Bob Fay has > > "cruelly" sneered at recently). > > Heck John. There was a Lake Chicago. Sadly, no Lake Illinois though. > > On a related subject (getting my plug in here) following some > conversations about Wisconsin State Archaeologist Robert Birmingham's > lecture on prehistoric mound and effigy building cultures in Wisconsin > (also the premound peoples), Rootsweb has agreed to host a mail list > devoted entirely to these peoples across North America. Mammoth > hunting and the earliest human habitation would seem to be fair topics for > that list. > > For anyone that is interested in this topic the subscription info is at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sewis/Mound_List.htm > > And we have an index page listing known mound related websites at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sewis/Mound_Index.htm > both of which are yours truly's first attempts at webpages. > > Anyone that is interested is invited to join the list (and please pass this > note to others that may be interested) > > Bob Fay > > ============================== > Ancestry.com--Your #1 Source for Family History Online--FREE for 14 Days > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1238

On 5 Nov 2001, at 8:04 JQMagie@aol.com <WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Ashley <grubisic@netwurx.net> just forwarded the following > Wisconsin > State Historical Society article, which is dated 1999 but may possibly > have been revised in early 2001. > 13,500 years ago seems like a surprisingly early date for proven > human > settlement in Wisconsin, and I wonder whether anybody knows whether this > date has now been nationally accepted by archaeologists. John and all, I'm not an archaeologist but from the local newspaper reports, the date of the earliest human settlements in North America are about 12,310 years ago. Apparently there are three sites proven to be of that age by carbon dating and two of them are in Kenosha county. They find it based on the existence of butchering marks on the bones of mammoths. Here is a newspaper article describing it. http://www.shsw.wisc.edu/kids/mammoth/news.htm Kenosha, long time host to an incredibly small museum constructed from in an abandoned stone Post Office building (moved by hand on rollers to its present site in the early 1900's), has recently opened a new museum which features those mammoth discoveries and several displays about early human habitation on the edge of the last retreating glacier. They must not have an official webpage yet but I found this: http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/aug01/goulcol27082601a.asp Its located on the former site of the "Lakefront Plant" owned by Chrysler, aka Renault, aka American Motors, aka Nash Motors, aka Simmons Mattress. Its kind of an uncomfortable combination of art museum and natural history museum. Theres an interesting traveling display from the Great Lakes Maritime Museum on the second all about 19th century maritime industry around Lake Michigan in particular. One tires quickly though of the hype that surrounds every announcement from that museum though as everything is preceded with the word "Mammoth" ala "Mammoth Grand Opening" etc etc. > My guess, based mostly on my amateur reading of USGS maps > <http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com>, is that in 13,500 BP, thick > glaciation may have still have covered the NE section of Milwaukee. > Also tiny "Lake Michigan" (then blocked to the north and east by > retreating ice sheets) was about 60 feet higher than today and probably > extended westward to about South 22nd St., north of Lincoln Ave. I don't remember the details but wasn't there a Lake Chicago at some point in the local prehistory as well? Also, > the southwestern shore of Milwaukee Bay then probably ran along the > eastern edges of present Forest Home and St. Adalberts cemeteries-- both > located on top of glacial moraine that has apparently remained mostly > unaffected by lake and river erosion (also human intrusions) over the > past 14,000 years or so. > At the same time, almost all of the present site of Chicago would > have > been under proglacial "Lake Michigan" Perhaps I'm wrong but doesn't the absence of morraines in Chicago indicate that the last glacier never reached that far south? There are morraines north and north west of Chicago so they must have gotten pretty close to the future city. -- which explains why Chicago and > much of Illinois is so flat (a sad fact that webmaster Bob Fay has > "cruelly" sneered at recently). Heck John. There was a Lake Chicago. Sadly, no Lake Illinois though. On a related subject (getting my plug in here) following some conversations about Wisconsin State Archaeologist Robert Birmingham's lecture on prehistoric mound and effigy building cultures in Wisconsin (also the premound peoples), Rootsweb has agreed to host a mail list devoted entirely to these peoples across North America. Mammoth hunting and the earliest human habitation would seem to be fair topics for that list. For anyone that is interested in this topic the subscription info is at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sewis/Mound_List.htm And we have an index page listing known mound related websites at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sewis/Mound_Index.htm both of which are yours truly's first attempts at webpages. Anyone that is interested is invited to join the list (and please pass this note to others that may be interested) Bob Fay

Ashley <grubisic@netwurx.net> just forwarded the following Wisconsin State Historical Society article, which is dated 1999 but may possibly have been revised in early 2001. 13,500 years ago seems like a surprisingly early date for proven human settlement in Wisconsin, and I wonder whether anybody knows whether this date has now been nationally accepted by archaeologists. My guess, based mostly on my amateur reading of USGS maps <http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com>, is that in 13,500 BP, thick glaciation may have still have covered the NE section of Milwaukee. Also tiny "Lake Michigan" (then blocked to the north and east by retreating ice sheets) was about 60 feet higher than today and probably extended westward to about South 22nd St., north of Lincoln Ave. Also, the southwestern shore of Milwaukee Bay then probably ran along the eastern edges of present Forest Home and St. Adalberts cemeteries-- both located on top of glacial moraine that has apparently remained mostly unaffected by lake and river erosion (also human intrusions) over the past 14,000 years or so. At the same time, almost all of the present site of Chicago would have been under proglacial "Lake Michigan" -- which explains why Chicago and much of Illinois is so flat (a sad fact that webmaster Bob Fay has "cruelly" sneered at recently). .........John (in Chicago) ================================================== http://www.shsw.wisc.edu/press/071599.htm Wisconsin Historical Society In the News July 15-31, 1999 "This is How It's Supposed to Work" ---State Archaeologist Bob Birmingham What began in the late 1980's as a routine compliance check of a proposed sewer system in Pleasant Prairie Township (Kenosha County) by the Society's Historic Preservation Division, has since become a myth-shattering discovery, which, if further substantiated, pushes back the earliest human occupation in North America some 2,500 years. The Society's state archaeologist's office was especially concerned about the sewer project because it was to have disturbed numerous Paleo-Indian sites considered to date to the first human inhabitants in Wisconsin (then commonly thought to be no more than 11,000 years ago). Meanwhile, curators at the Kenosha Public Museum noted butchering marks on many of the mammoth bones that local farmers had brought in after having unearthed them while plowing their fields. This discovery provided the first evidence of humans butchering mammoths up to that date east of the Mississippi River. The discovery led archaeologists David Overstreet of the Great Lakes Archaeological Research Center and Dan Joyce of the Kenosha Public Museum to apply to the Society for a planning and survey grant (federal monies administered by the Historic Preservation Division to identify and preserve important prehistoric and historic sites) to further explore their findings. The grants enabled them to record and perform test excavations of seven kill sites in Kenosha County. The remains were all well preserved because the area had been wetlands at the time when mammoths were there. The findings confirmed the association of humans with the prehistoric creature bones. More recently, Overstreet had bones from some of the sites radiocarbon dated because he questioned the commonly held belief that they could not date earlier than 11,500 years ago. The results indicated that the butchered bones do indeed date further back, probably to 13,500 years. These findings, announced in May, have led to much surprise, and some suspicion, among archaeologists. If the North American archaeological community accepts these findings, the mammoth bones in Kenosha County will provide the earliest evidence of human presence in North America. State Archaeologist Robert Birmingham notes, "Wisconsin--and specifically Kenosha County--has suddenly emerged as one of the world centers for studying early human life in North America." -------------------------------------------- ......updated: February 21, 2001 Wisconsin Historical Society 816 State St, Madison, WI 53706 ==================================================

I just discovered that the Shepherd is online with their lead story and most of the columns too. The current cover is on the 'Best of Milwaukee' and after reading the intro you have a choice of city scene, dining out, goods and services, music and culture, and nightlife. http://www.shepherd-express.com/ There's also an archive going back to 1998, including an article on mercury poisoning in northern Wi mentioning someone from the HENK family I've been inquiring about. Ashley

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To: M Capezza Are you going to give us a web address or URL, or make us guess :-)) Bill

Would someone be able to check a birth and a death for 1954 Joellen Adjukovich. d/o Russell/Frances? Irene

Geeze, I oughta know by now to scan the airwaves for all the messages. You did do this publicly! The net police have noted this and will be coming closer and closer! Mislay a comma and they'll take you away, John. No more late nights attached to the umbilical internet! You'll have to read yourself to sleep like normal people do.... John, do you know what the power of your addictions has led you to? You may yet utterly foul up the Majic family research. Petra's descendants will sue you for defamation too, and you, broken and embittered, won't have enough cash to feed your goldfish, let alone your friends in Wisconsin, when you stagger up to visit them. Bad John, very very bad, most regretfully, Ashley JQMagie@aol.com wrote: > _______________________________________________________ > > << Subj: [WiMilwau] Majic family and Ljubojevic > Date: 11/1/01 11:48:47 PM Central Standard Time > From: grubisic@netwurx.net (Ashley Tiwara) > To: WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com ....... > > Anyone interested in Joseph MAJIC, possibly MAGIC or MAYIC in the > USA? Joseph arrived on April 13, 1907, via the SS. Potsdam, from > Zakovac, maybe Zvehovac, Croatia, headed for his cousin Petar Ljubojevic > in Stambough, Michigan....... > Hoping the Majic family sees this and recognizes the names, > Ashley >> > _______________________________________________________ > > Ashley-- this is actually my cousin Joseph ("Josip") Magie returning (in > 1907) from one of his Grand Tours in Europe-- via the SS Potsdam. > Air-conditioning was then a rarity (some Milwaukee cinemas may have had it in > the 1920s), and he was headed for his summer retreat near Stambaugh in > Michigan's Upper Peninsula. There he was to be be joined by his "cousin" > (actually his mistress, reportedly) Ms. Petra Ljubojevic. ........John > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237