Bob, Thank you..I appreciate your time and effort. I have no opportunity to do this for myself. I now live in Washington State. Thanks,again, Susan snokes@tscnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gartzr@aol.com> To: <WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [WiMilwau] Forest Home Cemetary > Hi, > Will check next Friday. I donate that day each week to the cemetery > and your request came too late for yesterday. Hope you don't mind waiting. > > Bob of Brookfield >

We would like to invite you to re-visit our website, The POORHOUSE STORY (a clearinghouse for information about 19th century American poorhouses) at http://www.poorhousestory.com We just posted an image of a picture postcard of the Milwaukee County poorhouse. DIRECTIONS: At the homepage (link above) click on POORHOUSES BY STATE, then on WISCONSIN on the table of states. You will see the link to that entry near the top of the page, just under the first photographs (marked with a yellow NEW arrow). (NOTE: If you have visited the site recently, you may have to click on REFRESH on your browser to see the new information.) There are other pages on the site which may give you some interesting perspective on poorhouses. They are off the homepage and include: the HISTORY page and the LETTER TO GENEALOGISTS as well as FEATURED ARTICLES. There are great tips for researching poorhouse records for yourself on the RECORDS page; and you might want to subscribe to our (almost) monthly newletter (which you can do in the lower right corner of the homepage). The information on our site will only grow through the submissions of generous readers. If you would like to e-mail me ... please do so off-list because I cannot maintain subscriptions to as many lists as we post messages on. (You can use an e-mail link off one of our web pages.) We hope you enjoy the site! Thanks, Linda Crannell (aka=The Poorhouse Lady)

Hi, Will check next Friday. I donate that day each week to the cemetery and your request came too late for yesterday. Hope you don't mind waiting. Bob of Brookfield

Bob, Are there any McCalvey McKelvey McKelve buried there? Thank you, Susan snokes@tscnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gartzr@aol.com> To: <WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [WiMilwau] Forest Home Cemetary > Sorry, don't know the site (URL) but am the family history researcher at > Forest Home. If there is anything I can help you with please let me know. > > Bob of Brookfield. > >

Yes it is. Vikki

Hi Susan and List, I would try interlibrary loan first because the books are expensive. They can be purchased from the author, my daughter got her address from Boarders bookstore. "The Large Circle of Relatives" is a book of ancestor charts and descendant group sheets, so if anyone is looking for Granville area Luxembourg or German ancestors they may want to check this wonderful source out. Some Granville names in this book are: Gengler, Schweitzer, Schmit/Schmidt, Faber, Speltz, Reiland and Becker. There are many, many more Ozaukee and Washington Co. family names in there also. You may also want to check out her book "Rollingstone: A Luxembourgish Village in Minnesota" It is a book loaded with family pictures 1850's through 1920's. I was delighted to find 17 photo's of my relatives who originated in the Milwaukee area. Wow, real pictures of people I never dreamed I would ever know what they looked like! There is one photo that I thought maybe of particular interest to you, Susan. The notation reads: "The THALEN Couple. These two are the great-grandparents of Hulda Wise Jacobi [Andrew], from Rhineland, Germany." I don't know if this is the family you're looking for, but if it is I am sure you would like to see it. Happy Hunting, Cindy

Cheryl, Thanks for the heads-up about the security measures. I'm planning a trip over there in February and will be prepared. Did you know that you can make a 4-hour appointment to go into the stacks yourself? The appointments can even be made via email at http://www.milwaukeecounty.org/Service/serviceDetail.asp?id=1096 . They limit the number of genealogy appointments at any given time, so it's pretty comfortable doing research. You can't photocopy anything, but you can copy all the documentation onto paper and then go to UWM and use the microfilm to find the same records. You can copy from the microfilm at UWM for a small amount (used to be 10-15 cents per page, but I haven't copied there in over a year, so it might be higher now). A cheaper way to get some copies of the old birth/death/marriage records. I find it's easiest to look them up on paper at the courthouse first, and then go to UWM if I want a photocopy. Mary Frank Milwaukee >>> clbarnett_99@yahoo.com 01/23/02 01:50PM >>> Most of you on the list are way ahead of me when it comes to research in Milwaukee County, but I thought I'd share some of my beginner's experiences. Eventually I'll put them up on my (currently empty) freepages web site. With the unseasonably warm Milwaukee weather the past two days (40's), I decided to take a walk to the Milwaukee County Courthouse during my lunch hour today and obtain some source documents for my genealogy research. I jotted down notes on documents I wanted to buy and here's how it all went: First, yesterday I searched on the Internet for 'Milwaukee County Register of Deeds' and came up with a web site http://www.milwaukeecounty.org . This gave me the general information on address, hours of operation, and verified the fact that they held Birth, Marriage, and Death records for events that happened in the county of Milwaukee. I made a note of seven records that I wanted to purchase: 2 birth, 1 marriage, and 4 death. Today, I headed out. I walked straight up Kilbourn Avenue to the County Courthouse and discovered that all entrances on the east side of the building were locked due to new security measures. A man saw me trying to enter and pointed me in the right direction. I entered on the south side of the courthouse and a man in uniform directed me down the stairs. I took everything out of my coat pockets and shoved it all in my purse-coins, keys, pager, papers, etc. I put my purse on the scanner and walked through the metal detector and still managed to set it off. A police woman with a hand-held scanner asked me to open my coat, and she waved the scanner all around me. Holy cow are those things set sensitive-she found a single quarter in the inside pocket of my coat! (Hey, it was a shiny Kentucky quarter that I didn't want to accidentally spend!) Finally, she waved me through and I picked up my purse. There was a Tyme machine (ATM) just past the security station, but I walked to the directory in the middle of the hallway. I verified that the Register of Deeds was still in room 103, and decided to head back to the ATM. Good thing I did, too-the Register of Deeds office is cash-only for in-person requests. I headed up the stairs and found room 103. There was a line, but only 4-5 people were waiting. I found the applications on the back wall and headed to a counter to fill them out. I filled out as much information as I knew (should have brought my binder, I didn't think to jot down social security numbers or date of birth for the death certificates). I then got in line with my ID ready. After just a few minutes, I was called. The lady who was behind the counter looked at all my applications and told me that she would have to work on them when she wasn't assigned to the counter and mail them out to me. I told her that would be fine and she gave me my total-$80 for two uncertified copies of every certificate. I asked her if she knew when I could expect to receive the copies, and she said she'd try to work on them this afternoon and get them in the mail tomorrow. Not bad! All in all, the entire trip was pretty painless. I didn't get what I wanted immediately, but it should arrive faster than sending off to Madison for them. On the way back to work, I made sure to stop at Eagan's for their killer pasta salad, just to make sure I had enough calories to offset all that extra exercise for the day! Cheryl __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ==== WIMILWAU Mailing List ==== For subscribe/unsubscribe and other general list information, please see http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sewis/wimilwau.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Most of you on the list are way ahead of me when it comes to research in Milwaukee County, but I thought I'd share some of my beginner's experiences. Eventually I'll put them up on my (currently empty) freepages web site. With the unseasonably warm Milwaukee weather the past two days (40's), I decided to take a walk to the Milwaukee County Courthouse during my lunch hour today and obtain some source documents for my genealogy research. I jotted down notes on documents I wanted to buy and here's how it all went: First, yesterday I searched on the Internet for 'Milwaukee County Register of Deeds' and came up with a web site http://www.milwaukeecounty.org . This gave me the general information on address, hours of operation, and verified the fact that they held Birth, Marriage, and Death records for events that happened in the county of Milwaukee. I made a note of seven records that I wanted to purchase: 2 birth, 1 marriage, and 4 death. Today, I headed out. I walked straight up Kilbourn Avenue to the County Courthouse and discovered that all entrances on the east side of the building were locked due to new security measures. A man saw me trying to enter and pointed me in the right direction. I entered on the south side of the courthouse and a man in uniform directed me down the stairs. I took everything out of my coat pockets and shoved it all in my purse-coins, keys, pager, papers, etc. I put my purse on the scanner and walked through the metal detector and still managed to set it off. A police woman with a hand-held scanner asked me to open my coat, and she waved the scanner all around me. Holy cow are those things set sensitive-she found a single quarter in the inside pocket of my coat! (Hey, it was a shiny Kentucky quarter that I didn't want to accidentally spend!) Finally, she waved me through and I picked up my purse. There was a Tyme machine (ATM) just past the security station, but I walked to the directory in the middle of the hallway. I verified that the Register of Deeds was still in room 103, and decided to head back to the ATM. Good thing I did, too-the Register of Deeds office is cash-only for in-person requests. I headed up the stairs and found room 103. There was a line, but only 4-5 people were waiting. I found the applications on the back wall and headed to a counter to fill them out. I filled out as much information as I knew (should have brought my binder, I didn't think to jot down social security numbers or date of birth for the death certificates). I then got in line with my ID ready. After just a few minutes, I was called. The lady who was behind the counter looked at all my applications and told me that she would have to work on them when she wasn't assigned to the counter and mail them out to me. I told her that would be fine and she gave me my total-$80 for two uncertified copies of every certificate. I asked her if she knew when I could expect to receive the copies, and she said she'd try to work on them this afternoon and get them in the mail tomorrow. Not bad! All in all, the entire trip was pretty painless. I didn't get what I wanted immediately, but it should arrive faster than sending off to Madison for them. On the way back to work, I made sure to stop at Eagan's for their killer pasta salad, just to make sure I had enough calories to offset all that extra exercise for the day! Cheryl __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/

Cindy, Where did you find Mary Niles' book? "Does In A Large Circle of Relatives" circulate via interlibrary loan--or is it a reference only??? How do you have access to it??? It might answer some questions for me. Thanks, Susan snokes@tscnet.com

In the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel Sunday, January 20, 2002. Lower half of the Metro page with a color picture including Norman Sullivan, anthro prof at Marquette University and a plot map. Article by John Fauber. [ Edited and rewritten ] Approximately 1000 adults and 600 children have been removed from shallow graves at the Milwaukee County grounds in Wauwatosa since 1992. The burials were of residents at county facilities including the Alms House or Poor Farm, various orphanages, the insane asylum and the tuberculosis sanatorium, from the coroner's office, and from families too poor to afford burials. Some were Civil War veterans with amputated limbs, others laborers who became too debilitated to continue to earn a living. "Although the dead were not the illustrious political and business figures who made Milwaukee famous, they were just as important in shaping the community, Sullivan said." Water retention/sewage detention ponds necessary to control flooding led to the removal of the remains, although newspaper accounts even in the 20's published complaints of the poor condition of these graves and of the several cemetery sites. Among the bodies, a 5 year old dead of syphilis, a 6 year old dead of rickets, possibly from a lack of sunlight, and a lousy diet, a man in his 40's showing physical signs of mental retardation who may have spent most of his life chained to a wall. The anthropologist suggests that many of the children would have been born to unwed mothers or to families unable to care for them and died of "failure to thrive syndrome" between the ages of 3 and 6 months. "Eventually the names of the dead and information about them will be part of a publicly available database now being put together by Patricia Richards, associate scientist in the department of anthropology at UWM [ University of Wisconsin Milwaukee ]." The full article appears in the Journal-Sentinel's on-line archive at: http://www.jsonline.com/news/Metro/jan02/14236.asp If the hot link doesn't work and you need to search the archive, type in Sullivan and the correct article should be the first in the search return. For your information, Ashley --

Susan, I don't find your Michels in my tree, but, in Mary Nilles book "In A Large Circle of Relatives" a genealogical guide to Rollingstone, Mn where many of "our" Milwaukee Co., Luxembourg relatives migrated to or had family members there, I found a Katherine Michels b 3-26-1799 in Contern, Lux d/o Nicholas Michels and Anne-Marie Feydert married 11-17-1794. Katherine married Nicolas Speltz 12-30-1822 in Contern. I don't have an immigration date, but it was early migration their youngest child was born in 1843 in Contern. Thelen's, Gengler's and Speltz were cousins. I wish I could be of more help to you, Cindy

>One of the reasons for having ancestors is to avoid descendants like >this. Appologies to those with no need for jokes today: I couldn't >resist forwarding it. There's something truely trajic in these >stories. By the way, it came from LIVING-L at Rootsweb. Possibly >these things really happened. Ashley >X-Loop: LIVING-L@rootsweb.com > >THE DARWIN AWARDS - It's that time again! The awards this year are classic. >These awards are given each year to bestow upon (the remains of) that >individual, who through single-minded self-sacrifice, has done the most to >remove undesirable elements from the human gene pool. Ladies and >Gentlemen...(drum roll... and envelope please), we present the 2000 "Natural >Selection" awards: > >5th RUNNER-UP: Goes to a San Anselmo, California, man who died when he hit a >lift tower at the Mammoth Mountain ski area while riding down the slope on a >foam pad. The 22-year-old David Hubal was pronounced dead at Central Mammoth >Hospital. The accident occurred about 3 a.m., the Mono County Sheriff's >Department said. Hubal and his friends apparently had hiked up a >ski run called >Stump Alley and undid some yellow foam protectors from lift towers, said Lt. >Mike Donnelly of the Mammoth Lakes Police Department. The pads are used to >protect skiers who might hit towers. The group apparently used the pads to >slide down the ski slope and Hubal crashed into a tower. It has since been >investigated and determined the tower he hit was the one with its pad removed. > >4th RUNNER-UP: Goes to Robert Puelo, 32, was apparently being disorderly in a >St. Louis market. When the clerk threatened to call the police, >Puelo grabbed a >hot dog, shoved it into his mouth and walked out without paying. Police found >him unconscious in front of the store. Paramedics removed the six-inch wiener >from his throat where it had choked him to death. > >3rd RUNNER-UP: Goes to poacher Marino Malerba of Spain, who shot a stag >standing above him on an overhanging rock and was killed instantly >when it fell >on him. > >2nd RUNNER-UP: "Man loses face at party." A man at a West Virginia party, >(probably related to the winner last year, a man in Arkansas who used the .22 >bullet to replace the fuse in his pickup truck) popped a blasting cap into his >mouth and bit down, triggering an explosion that blew off his lips, teeth, and >tongue. Jerry Stromyer, 24, of Kincaid, bit the blasting cap as a >prank during >the party late Tuesday night, said Cpl. M.D. Payne. "Another man had it in an >aquarium hooked to a battery and was trying to explode it. It wouldn't go off >and this guy said, 'I'll show you how to set it off.'" He put it into his >mouth, bit down and it blew all his teeth out and his lips and >tongue off, Payne >said. Stromyer was listed in guarded condition Wednesday with >extensive facial >injuries, according to a spokesperson at Charleston Area Medical Division. "I >just can't imagine anyone doing something like that," Payne said. > >1st RUNNER-UP: Doctors at Portland University Hospital said an >Oregon man shot >through the skull by a hunting arrow is lucky to be alive and will be released >soon from the hospital. Tony Roberts, 25, lost his right eye last weekend >during an initiation into a men's rafting club, Mountain Men >anonymous (probably >known now as Stupid Mountain Men Anonymous) in Grant's Pass, Oregon. A friend >tried to shoot a beer can off his head, but the arrow entered Robert's right >eye. Doctors said that had the arrow gone 1 millimeter to the left, a major >blood vessel would have been cut and Roberts would have died instantly. >Neurosurgeon Doctor Johnny Delashaw at the University Hospital in >Portland said >the arrow went through 8 to 10 inches of brain with the tip protruding at the >rear of his skull, yet somehow managed to miss all major blood vessels. >Delashaw also said that had Roberts tried to pull the arrow out on his own he >surely would have killed himself. Roberts admitted afterwards that he and his >friends had been drinking that afternoon. Said Roberts, "I feel so dumb about >this." No charges have been filed, but the Josephine County >district attorney's >office said the initiation stunt is under investigation. > >Now THIS YEAR'S WINNER: (The late) John Pernicky and his friend, >(the late) Sal >Hawkins, of the great state of Washington, decided to attend a local Metallica >concert at the George, Washington, amphitheater. Having no tickets >(but having >had 18 beers between them), they thought it would be easy to "hop" >over the nine >foot fence and sneak into the show. They pulled their pickup truck >over to the >fence and the plan was for Mr. Pernicky, who was 100 pounds heavier than Mr. >Hawkins) to hop the fence and then assist his friend over. Unfortunately for >(the late) Mr. Pernicky, there was a 30-foot drop on the other side of the >fence. Having heaved himself over, he found himself crashing through a tree. >His fall was abruptly halted (and broken, along with his arm) by a >large branch >that snagged him by his shorts. Dangling from the tree with a broken arm, he >looked down and saw some bushes below him. Possibly figuring the bushes would >break his fall, he removed his pocket knife and proceeded to cut >away his shorts >to free himself from he tree. Finally free, Mr. Pernicky crashed into holly >bushes. The sharp leaves scratched his ENTIRE body and now, without the >protection of his shorts, a holly branch penetrated his rectum. To >make matters >worse, on landing, his pocket knife penetrated his thigh. Mr. Hawkins, on >seeing his friend in considerable pain and agony, decided to throw him a rope >and pull him to safety by tying the rope to the pickup truck and >slowly driving >away. > >However, in his drunken haste/state, he put the truck into reverse and crashed >through the fence landing on his friend and killing him. Police >arrived to find >the crashed pickup with its driver thrown 100 feet from the truck and dead at >the scene from massive internal injuries. Upon moving the truck, they found >John under it, half-naked, scratches on his body, a holly stick in >his rectum, a >knife in his thigh, and his shorts dangling from a tree branch 25 feet in the >air. Congratulations, gentlemen, you win! > --

Ransom, If you receive a reply to this, please forward the URL to me. I am also interested in seeing who is buried in that cemetery. Thank you, Susan snokes@tscnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ransom Curtis" <TitleExpert@worldnet.att.net> To: <WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 8:59 AM Subject: [WiMilwau] Forest Home Cemetary > I found, and now have lost, the URL to a site that had a large number of gravestone inscriptions from Forest Home Cemetary. Can anyone help? Thanks- > > Ransom H. Curtis > > > ==== WIMILWAU Mailing List ==== > For subscribe/unsubscribe and other general list information, please see > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sewis/wimilwau.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Sorry, don't know the site (URL) but am the family history researcher at Forest Home. If there is anything I can help you with please let me know. Bob of Brookfield.

The site I visited only gave a plot location for an M S. Edson, most probably the Martha S. Edson that I seek. The location of her grave would be great for when I visit Milwaukee; and any dates would really be greatly appreciated. Thanking you in advance - Ransom H. Curtis ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gartzr@aol.com> To: <WIMILWAU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [WiMilwau] Forest Home Cemetary > Sorry, don't know the site (URL) but am the family history researcher at > Forest Home. If there is anything I can help you with please let me know. > > Bob of Brookfield. > > > ==== WIMILWAU Mailing List ==== > For subscribe/unsubscribe and other general list information, please see > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sewis/wimilwau.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I found, and now have lost, the URL to a site that had a large number of gravestone inscriptions from Forest Home Cemetary. Can anyone help? Thanks- Ransom H. Curtis

Cindy, Have you ever encountered an Anna Marie THELEN who married a George MICHELS? George 1st settled in Belgium, Ozaukee County, WI,, them moved to the Thiensville/Mequon area, not far from Grafton. I am trying to find out who Anna Marie's parents were. I do not know when or where she and George married...but George immigrated to the US Baltimore in 1840. His Naturalization says: August 16, 1840 (Actual Ship Record says Aug 19, 1840)...could be he came in to Port on that day but they sat in the harbor or were processed on another day--anyway, he arrived without a wife or children.--I think there were only 22 passengers total. I have their 1st child as: Elizabetha Michels born February 04, 1834 in Prussia, Germany (??). Elizabeth married Heinrich Jonen of Lommersum, Rheinland, Prussia. Anna Marie MICHELS (nee THELEN), Elizabeth JONEN (nee MICHELS) and Henry JONEN are all buried at St. Martin's Cemetery, Milwaukee, Wisconsin in what was Granville, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin. If you have any information which ties these families together (Nickolas THELEN) and Anna Marie THELEN), I'm searching for the missing puzzle piece. Thank you, Susan snokes@tscnet.com Other researchers reading this in the future, please feel free to contact me at the above e-mail address. Thank you.

In a message dated 1/17/02 5:04:52 PM Central Standard Time, WIMILWAU-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << THELEN >> Hi Susan, I have not done a lot with the Thelen Line, perhaps this will help: Nickolas Thelen b 10-20-1893 Saukville, WI d 10-25-1949 Port Washington s/o Peter Thelen and Maria Mueller; married on June 11, 1917 Newburg, WI @ Holy Trinity Parish to Viola Susan Gengler b 10-18-1895 Trenton,WI d 6-11-1971 Grafton, WI d/o Nicholas J Gengler and Suzanna Shields They had Delores, Raymond, Kenneth, Paul, Thomas, and Robert. Good Luck, Cindy

As I recall, someone on this list was researching one Alexander Mitchell from Milwaukee. I have some information about an Alexander Mitchell circa 1840's in Milwaukee. Please contact me if you think this may be your Alexander. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Hi I was wondering how I could find information on my great Uncle. He was born in Montreal in 1871 and moved to Milwaukee after he graduated Medical School in Montreal. I was told he married a lady with the last name of Schultz and they had two children. My mother had told me and son and daughter and that the daughter was a nurse. But one of my father's cousins told me that they had two girls and one was Catherine. I know that Robert Walker died prior to my grandfather who died in Nov. 1944 but I am afraid I do not know exactly when. Thanks for any advice which you maybe able to give. Also would like to hear from anyone who is researching the Schultz or Walker families. Linda Ottawa, Ont. Canada