Yes, I have contacted them as well. Just thought I would ask. Thanks, Laura --- [email protected] wrote: > Sorry, that is one of many questions I just don't an > answer to. Have you > contacted the Milwaukee County Sheriff's Department. > If anyone would have > pictures in their archives, I would guess they > would. In my seaches, though, I > will keep you in mind in case I ever come across > anything. Bob > > > ==== WIMILWAU Mailing List ==== > For subscribe/unsubscribe and other general list > information, please see > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sewis/wimilwau.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million > records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the > world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

In a message dated 3/3/05 1:11:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > This is the area of Milwaukee in which I live. what part of Milwaukee is this? Ann from MI

When my mother and aunt were in their 90's they still talked about the fun they had at the Rohn Swimming School and how the Milwaukee River was a center of activities. There was also a very active canoe club, of which they were members. That canoe was over 50 years old when I "lived in it" on Lake Keesus in the 1940's. I found reference to the swimming school at http://mptv.org/iremem32.htm -- a 2000 Milwaukee Public Television program. Perhaps someone might do a look-up on this. Liz AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "ashley tiwara" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:21 PM Subject: [WiMilwau] Milwaukee river swimming > Harold, and others, > Approximately 100 years ago the Milwaukee River was apparently safe for > swimming. Photos at the Milwaukee historical society show many swimming > clubs along the shores of the river north of downtown but in the city. > This may have been before the North Avenue dam went in, which was removed > a few years ago. Perhaps contacting the historical society would turn up > information about these business places and their names. They probably > offered some refreshments, a washing up place, and maybe music to > customers. > If someone has access to city directories, the name may appear there. > > Ashley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: HJ & PJE Spurgeon > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 6:42 PM > Subject: Re: [WiMilwau] ROLL CALL > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary R. Frank" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 5:07 AM > Subject: Re: [WiMilwau] ROLL CALL > > Hello Mary > Thank you for contacting me. I am going by memory about information my > grandmother talked about 50 years ago. She thought the "New Lido" was > either > a new swimming complex or a beach on the shores of Lake Michigan. Cyril > drowned > there at the age of 16 and he was born in 1900. > I have a photo of Nellie with twin daughters who were in their mid 20's > at > the time, about 1948, but I don't know where it was taken. > Unfortunately my grandparents are long since dead, together with all > their > children, so I have nobody to ask. > If I cannot get any clues from your side of the world, I'll leave that > side > of the family to history. > Best wishes, > Harold > > > > > > What information are you looking for? What is "New Lido"? I haven't > > heard of that--does anybody else on the list know what this is? > > > > mrf > > > > > > HJ & PJE Spurgeon wrote: > > > >> Hi Bob > >> I have hit a brickwall with my GRIMES family. They emigrated to > >> Milwaukee from Gillingham in Kent about 1915. > >> John was born in Pembrokeshire Wales, 1854. > >> Wife Sarah in Staffordshire, 1857. > >> There was also James,1879, Henry,1886, Nellie 1889, George,1892, > >> Thomas1894 and Cyril 1900. > >> I was told by my grandmother,(one of the above family that did not > >> emigrate,) that Cyril was drowned at the (New Lido,) in 1916. > >> > >> I would greatly appreciate any help or advice you could give me. > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> > >> Harold Spurgeon, Auckland, New Zealand. > >> > > >> > > > > ==== WIMILWAU Mailing List ==== > For subscribe/unsubscribe and other general list information, please see > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sewis/wimilwau.htm > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > ==== WIMILWAU Mailing List ==== > For subscribe/unsubscribe and other general list information, please see > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sewis/wimilwau.htm > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Sorry, that is one of many questions I just don't an answer to. Have you contacted the Milwaukee County Sheriff's Department. If anyone would have pictures in their archives, I would guess they would. In my seaches, though, I will keep you in mind in case I ever come across anything. Bob

This is the part of Milwaukee known as Riverwest. My house is actually in the area known as Harambee, which is directly west of Riverwest. Riverwest, as its name implies, is just west of the Milwaukee River, in the area north of where the river kind of turns west (just south of North Ave., which is actually an east-west running street). Look at this site I just found when I was looking for a map for you: http://www.uwm.edu/Library/digilib/Milwaukee/records/maps.html You need the MrSid viewer to enlarge and pan on the maps, but it gives you the link for downloading that under the description of the map. If you go to the 1898: Wright's map of Milwaukee and enlarge it, and look for sections 6, 13 and 21 (the larger numbers superimposed over the neighborhoods), you will see Riverwest (east part of those sections) and Harambee (west part of those sections). Riverwest goes from the river west to Holton St. It goes south along Reservoir Av. and north to Capitol Dr.--which I think is what they call Lake in this old map. Harambee goes from Holton St. to I-94, but since I-94 didn't exist back then, the rough boundary for what is now Harambee neighborhood would be 8th-9th St. I live just south of the intersection of George and Richards, to the northeast of the big section #21. George is now Townsend. This is a very useful map, as you can see the old street names real clearly when you enlarge it and pan around it using the MrSid viewer (which is a viewer used by Ancestry.com, so those with a subscription to Ancestry probably have this on their computers already--but it's a free download if you don't have it already). If you enlarge and look for the "R" in Milwaukee River, where it curves through Riverwest, you'll see where Bolton and Wright came together where Karen Duffy's uncle John Orzechowski drowned. I think Bolton St. has another name, but I can't remember it off the top of my head. I rarely go into that neighborhood, as the first major north-south street west of the river is Humboldt. >In a message dated 3/3/05 1:11:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] >writes: > > > > >>This is the area of Milwaukee in which I live. >> >> > >what part of Milwaukee is this? >Ann from MI > > >==== WIMILWAU Mailing List ==== >For subscribe/unsubscribe and other general list information, please see >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sewis/wimilwau.htm > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Several of you are waiting for newspaper lists from me. I have them ready--just have to get my butt to the very early pickup we have on campus for personal mail. I will be sending them out tomorrow. Thanks for your patience. It's been crazy here lately. mrf

May I suggest that someone who lives in Milwaukee and is willing to do lookups check the Milwaukee County Courthouse. You can make up to a 4 hour appointment for genealogy research. Someone could look up this boy's name in the index for that year and see what his death date is. From there, someone can then check the old Milwaukee Journals on Microfiche for any article or an obituary. I do not live in Milwaukee and cannot do the lookup for you until July (when I will return). But if someone can find a death date, I can pull the Microfiche of the Milwaukee Journals. I have some access to that. Good luck, Diane

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary R. Frank" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 5:07 AM Subject: Re: [WiMilwau] ROLL CALL Hello Mary Thank you for contacting me. I am going by memory about information my grandmother talked about 50 years ago. She thought the "New Lido" was either a new swimming complex or a beach on the shores of Lake Michigan. Cyril drowned there at the age of 16 and he was born in 1900. I have a photo of Nellie with twin daughters who were in their mid 20's at the time, about 1948, but I don't know where it was taken. Unfortunately my grandparents are long since dead, together with all their children, so I have nobody to ask. If I cannot get any clues from your side of the world, I'll leave that side of the family to history. Best wishes, Harold > What information are you looking for? What is "New Lido"? I haven't > heard of that--does anybody else on the list know what this is? > > mrf > > > HJ & PJE Spurgeon wrote: > >> Hi Bob >> I have hit a brickwall with my GRIMES family. They emigrated to >> Milwaukee from Gillingham in Kent about 1915. >> John was born in Pembrokeshire Wales, 1854. >> Wife Sarah in Staffordshire, 1857. >> There was also James,1879, Henry,1886, Nellie 1889, George,1892, >> Thomas1894 and Cyril 1900. >> I was told by my grandmother,(one of the above family that did not >> emigrate,) that Cyril was drowned at the (New Lido,) in 1916. >> >> I would greatly appreciate any help or advice you could give me. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Harold Spurgeon, Auckland, New Zealand. >> >>

This is the area of Milwaukee in which I live. I'm sorry to say that children (and others) still drown in the river all to often. Just last year we lost two young sisters who drowned when the river was swollen. The younger one fell in and the older one jumped in to save her, even though neither could swim and the water was higher and rougher than usual. It was weeks and weeks before both bodies were found. mrf Tom & Karen Duffy wrote: >Perhaps check old newspapers like the Milwaukee Journal. Here's part of my >family's Milwaukee River story. John was my grandmother's oldest brother. >July 27, 1914: >"Mother Sees Her Boy Drown > While swimming in the river at the foot of Wright Street Sunday, John >Orzechowski, 11, 915 Bolton St., was seized with cramps and drowned. The >boy's mother and five smaller brothers and sisters stood upon the bank, >unable to assist. > The mother, with her six children, walked to the river to spend Sunday >afternoon and John begged permission to go in swimming. When this was >granted he joined other boys and dived off a springboard. His body did not >come to the surface. Police began dragging the river Monday. > Several of the youth's swimming companions risked their own lives in >efforts to recover the body." > > "The body of John Orzechowski, 11, 915 Bolton St., who drowned while >swimming in the Milwaukee river at the foot of Wright St, was recovered >Tuesday. The police dragged the river throughout Monday, but were unable to >find the body. The body, discovered floating down the river by John >Padjewski, 916 Dousman St., was taken to the home of the parents." > >Karen Duffy > > >

Should have also added that if you find it hard to get to the Milwaukee County Historical Society building but can get to the Milwaukee Public Library, they have a few volumes of history in their Humanities Room on the 2nd floor that have these pictures in them also. If you are interested in which volumes, give me a note and I will look them up for you. Bob of Brookfield (spelled right this time)

Bob, By any chance would the Library have pictures of the Sheriffs Department? I am looking for pictures of my Great Grandfather - Henry Bender - Deputy Sheriff. I have looked at the Historical Society already with no luck. Laura --- [email protected] wrote: > Should have also added that if you find it hard to > get to the Milwaukee > County Historical Society building but can get to > the Milwaukee Public Library, > they have a few volumes of history in their > Humanities Room on the 2nd floor that > have these pictures in them also. If you are > interested in which volumes, > give me a note and I will look them up for you. > > Bob of Brookfield (spelled right this time) > > > ==== WIMILWAU Mailing List ==== > For subscribe/unsubscribe and other general list > information, please see > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sewis/wimilwau.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million > records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the > world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

In the Milwaukee County Historical Society booklets I find pictures of: Bechstein's Swimming School on the Milwaukee River (Autumn, 1988, page 73) Rohn Swimming School on the Milwaukee River (Autumn, 1988, on the flyleaf) and a pictures of swimmers in the Milwaukee River Autumn, 1988, on page 69) In the Winter issue of 1988 on page 113 it has a picture from an Aquatic Meet on the Milwaukee River. Bob of Broofield

Perhaps check old newspapers like the Milwaukee Journal. Here's part of my family's Milwaukee River story. John was my grandmother's oldest brother. July 27, 1914: "Mother Sees Her Boy Drown While swimming in the river at the foot of Wright Street Sunday, John Orzechowski, 11, 915 Bolton St., was seized with cramps and drowned. The boy's mother and five smaller brothers and sisters stood upon the bank, unable to assist. The mother, with her six children, walked to the river to spend Sunday afternoon and John begged permission to go in swimming. When this was granted he joined other boys and dived off a springboard. His body did not come to the surface. Police began dragging the river Monday. Several of the youth's swimming companions risked their own lives in efforts to recover the body." "The body of John Orzechowski, 11, 915 Bolton St., who drowned while swimming in the Milwaukee river at the foot of Wright St, was recovered Tuesday. The police dragged the river throughout Monday, but were unable to find the body. The body, discovered floating down the river by John Padjewski, 916 Dousman St., was taken to the home of the parents." Karen Duffy ----- Original Message ----- From: "ashley tiwara" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:21 PM Subject: [WiMilwau] Milwaukee river swimming > Harold, and others, > Approximately 100 years ago the Milwaukee River was apparently safe for swimming. Photos at the Milwaukee historical society show many swimming clubs along the shores of the river north of downtown but in the city. This may have been before the North Avenue dam went in, which was removed a few years ago. Perhaps contacting the historical society would turn up information about these business places and their names. They probably offered some refreshments, a washing up place, and maybe music to customers. > If someone has access to city directories, the name may appear there. > > Ashley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: HJ & PJE Spurgeon > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 6:42 PM > Subject: Re: [WiMilwau] ROLL CALL > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary R. Frank" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 5:07 AM > Subject: Re: [WiMilwau] ROLL CALL > > Hello Mary > Thank you for contacting me. I am going by memory about information my > grandmother talked about 50 years ago. She thought the "New Lido" was either > a new swimming complex or a beach on the shores of Lake Michigan. Cyril > drowned > there at the age of 16 and he was born in 1900. > I have a photo of Nellie with twin daughters who were in their mid 20's at > the time, about 1948, but I don't know where it was taken. > Unfortunately my grandparents are long since dead, together with all their > children, so I have nobody to ask. > If I cannot get any clues from your side of the world, I'll leave that side > of the family to history. > Best wishes, > Harold > > > > > > What information are you looking for? What is "New Lido"? I haven't > > heard of that--does anybody else on the list know what this is? > > > > mrf > > > > > > HJ & PJE Spurgeon wrote: > > > >> Hi Bob > >> I have hit a brickwall with my GRIMES family. They emigrated to > >> Milwaukee from Gillingham in Kent about 1915. > >> John was born in Pembrokeshire Wales, 1854. > >> Wife Sarah in Staffordshire, 1857. > >> There was also James,1879, Henry,1886, Nellie 1889, George,1892, > >> Thomas1894 and Cyril 1900. > >> I was told by my grandmother,(one of the above family that did not > >> emigrate,) that Cyril was drowned at the (New Lido,) in 1916. > >> > >> I would greatly appreciate any help or advice you could give me. > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> > >> Harold Spurgeon, Auckland, New Zealand. > >> > > >> > > > > ==== WIMILWAU Mailing List ==== > For subscribe/unsubscribe and other general list information, please see > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sewis/wimilwau.htm > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > ==== WIMILWAU Mailing List ==== > For subscribe/unsubscribe and other general list information, please see > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sewis/wimilwau.htm > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Searching for the following family: ASMUS/ASSMUS, John/Johann (dob Aug 1862)(dod unknown but abt 1910) and his wife MAHN, Elizabeth (Lizzie)(Elisha)(dob June 1862)(dod abt 1943) Children: Sophie m MEYERS (dob March 1886) - came to Canada & buried there. Bertha (dob Jan 1884)m possible LINDNER or DANIELS - dod unknown & place unknown. Charles (dob 1888 dod 1967 Milwaukee m unknown. Fred (dob 1890 dod 1973) m Emma ?? Children: Effie m SCHNELL Arlene m WINCHMANN Sisters: Minnie m WOLFF Clara m MALMER Henry (dob 1897 dod 1976 Florida)m unknown George (dob 1897 dod 1977)m unknown Johnny (dob 1892 dod 1909)m unknown Have family on all census up to and including 1930 but have no obits or death notices. Diane in Saskatchewan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam G" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 1:25 AM Subject: [WiMilwau] WFT(Genealogy.com) offer lookup > > Hello all, > > I have a temporary subscription to the World Family Tree listings from > Genealogy.com and would be willing to check on up to 3-5 names(depending on > time) for anyone who is interested. . we can also ask for submitter names > for a tree that you've identified you have a connection to as well, with > this subscription. But I can only do this through the end of this week, > March 5th; if you write me, please allow 2-3 days to return your message as > my schedule is highly variable!! > > Hope I can help someone, Pam G. in CA > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.7 - Release Date: 3/1/2005

You can go to UWM & check out the Sanborn Fire Maps. These maps show the proprties & addresses... You could check out both addresses to find out if they were the same.... Good Luck!! Have Fun!!

Harold, and others, Approximately 100 years ago the Milwaukee River was apparently safe for swimming. Photos at the Milwaukee historical society show many swimming clubs along the shores of the river north of downtown but in the city. This may have been before the North Avenue dam went in, which was removed a few years ago. Perhaps contacting the historical society would turn up information about these business places and their names. They probably offered some refreshments, a washing up place, and maybe music to customers. If someone has access to city directories, the name may appear there. Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: HJ & PJE Spurgeon To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [WiMilwau] ROLL CALL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary R. Frank" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 5:07 AM Subject: Re: [WiMilwau] ROLL CALL Hello Mary Thank you for contacting me. I am going by memory about information my grandmother talked about 50 years ago. She thought the "New Lido" was either a new swimming complex or a beach on the shores of Lake Michigan. Cyril drowned there at the age of 16 and he was born in 1900. I have a photo of Nellie with twin daughters who were in their mid 20's at the time, about 1948, but I don't know where it was taken. Unfortunately my grandparents are long since dead, together with all their children, so I have nobody to ask. If I cannot get any clues from your side of the world, I'll leave that side of the family to history. Best wishes, Harold > What information are you looking for? What is "New Lido"? I haven't > heard of that--does anybody else on the list know what this is? > > mrf > > > HJ & PJE Spurgeon wrote: > >> Hi Bob >> I have hit a brickwall with my GRIMES family. They emigrated to >> Milwaukee from Gillingham in Kent about 1915. >> John was born in Pembrokeshire Wales, 1854. >> Wife Sarah in Staffordshire, 1857. >> There was also James,1879, Henry,1886, Nellie 1889, George,1892, >> Thomas1894 and Cyril 1900. >> I was told by my grandmother,(one of the above family that did not >> emigrate,) that Cyril was drowned at the (New Lido,) in 1916. >> >> I would greatly appreciate any help or advice you could give me. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Harold Spurgeon, Auckland, New Zealand. >> >> ==== WIMILWAU Mailing List ==== For subscribe/unsubscribe and other general list information, please see http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sewis/wimilwau.htm ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hello, I'm confirming here the names of the people I saw requesting Geneology.com lookups. If you responded, and don't see your name here, please email me separately, as I only get digest form of the list, and could easily miss someone, and/or I don't get responses until quite a bit later than the post. . I will be doing the checks sometime this weekend, so will contact you with the results. Zaustinsky, Kathryn Joan Bello Rhonda (Evans/Kone) Sue Long Ashley Tiwara Thanks, Pam G. in CA

Hello Pam, I would like to thank you for checking on these people for me. Charlene McClintic # 1: George Benjamin born abt. 1821 in New Jersey married Elizabeth Cole Feb. 29, 1848 in Erie county Ohio and died I think May 15, 1876 in Milwaukee, WI. He worked for the railroad. # 2: Samuel McClintock born abt. 1779 in PA. married Elizabeth ? died in Manchester, Morgan Co., OH. His son Thomas changed last name to McClintic. # 3: Thomas Spencer born June 05, 1767 in PA. married Charity Lynn October 16, 1792 in Bourbon Co. KY. died Aug. 27, 1859 probably in IL. or WI. Again thank you so much for the help. Charlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam G" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 1:25 AM Subject: [WiMilwau] WFT(Genealogy.com) offer lookup > > Hello all, > > I have a temporary subscription to the World Family Tree listings from > Genealogy.com and would be willing to check on up to 3-5 names(depending on > time) for anyone who is interested. . we can also ask for submitter names > for a tree that you've identified you have a connection to as well, with > this subscription. But I can only do this through the end of this week, > March 5th; if you write me, please allow 2-3 days to return your message as > my schedule is highly variable!! > > Hope I can help someone, Pam G. in CA > > > > ==== WIMILWAU Mailing List ==== > For subscribe/unsubscribe and other general list information, please see > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sewis/wimilwau.htm > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > This message scanned for viruses by CoreComm >

Hi Pam, Could I ask of one more name to be searched (I gave you one already) Rudolph Williamsen Sr. B. Wis. 1858 D. Wis. Jan 15 1931 married: Wi April 21, 1879 to Friedericke Doss father: E. Williams mother: G. Williams Friedericke Doss B. Berlin, Germany July 4, 1858 D. Wis March 20, 1914 father: Fred Doss mother: Sophie I believe they had 9 children, I have found 8 May, Emley, Lillian, Henry, Rudolph H., Everett John, Edward J. Buried in Wanderer's Rest, now called Lincoln Memorial cemetery. Thanks, Laura Bender [email protected] 8633 North 51 Street Brown Deer, WI 53223

Pam, This is an outstanding thing for you to do. I've been trying to trace the family of my grandmother's sister in law, Wica BUTKOVIC. I suspect she had a brother or cousin living near her in the Canton, Illinois area as with the help of several people I've found another Butkovic cluster there and she, Wica, married a GRUBISIC, my great - uncle. However, I'd really like to know what happened to the woman I think is her sister, Filipina BUTKOVIC who married George BUBANJ or BUBANY and lived in Gallup, New Mexico. There's a Blaz Bubany also in Gallup who may be a cousin. There ought to be a Carlo BUTKOVIC somewhere and I haven't found him. I'd be interested in any BUTKOVIC or BUTKOVICH you could find anywhere, any GRUBISIC or GRUBISICH the same. The families are from northern Croatia origionally. I would particularly like to find any of the names I mentioned above however. Or to be more accurate, if your wonderful subscription turns up any of those names, I would be delighted. Thanks so much for offering, in any case, Ashley P.S. Time frame is about 1890 Croatia to 1955 New Mexico for Filipina Butkovic Bubanj.