Paula, Thanks for the information. This does give me some insight. I will check out the website. Laura On May 8, 2005, at 2:04 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Hi Laura, > > The Frei Gemeinde was the Free Thinkers and they settled on 27th and > Ryan > Rd. in Franklin, Milwaukee County, WI. It is the first and oldest > Free Thinker > meeting hall in the state of Wisconsin. The name was changed to > Painesville > and the Painesville Meeting Hall is still there. The web page for > Painesville is _http://painesville.topcities.com/painesville.htm_ > (http://painesville.topcities.com/painesville.htm) . Most of the > original members (many of my > ancestors included) were from Alsace, France, Germany and Switzerland. > > They had a singing society called the Painesviller Sangerbund > (Painesville > Choral Society). The memorial association that is in charge there > have some > of the pieces of music that they used but I don't know if there is any > record > as to who was in the choral group. > > They also have a cemetery next to the meeting hall where many of the > original members and their family are buried. Most of the cemetery > has been > documented and that too is on the web page. > > I hope this helps answer some your questions. Or maybe make you think > of > some more?! :) > Paula > > In a message dated 5/7/2005 10:01:24 AM Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > Does anyone know of this singing group? > > My Great Grandfather (from Switzerland) german speaking, > was a member here in Milwaukee. > > Laura > [email protected] > > > > > > > ==== WIMILWAU Mailing List ==== > For subscribe/unsubscribe and other general list information, please > see > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sewis/wimilwau.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi Laura, The Frei Gemeinde was the Free Thinkers and they settled on 27th and Ryan Rd. in Franklin, Milwaukee County, WI. It is the first and oldest Free Thinker meeting hall in the state of Wisconsin. The name was changed to Painesville and the Painesville Meeting Hall is still there. The web page for Painesville is _http://painesville.topcities.com/painesville.htm_ (http://painesville.topcities.com/painesville.htm) . Most of the original members (many of my ancestors included) were from Alsace, France, Germany and Switzerland. They had a singing society called the Painesviller Sangerbund (Painesville Choral Society). The memorial association that is in charge there have some of the pieces of music that they used but I don't know if there is any record as to who was in the choral group. They also have a cemetery next to the meeting hall where many of the original members and their family are buried. Most of the cemetery has been documented and that too is on the web page. I hope this helps answer some your questions. Or maybe make you think of some more?! :) Paula In a message dated 5/7/2005 10:01:24 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Does anyone know of this singing group? My Great Grandfather (from Switzerland) german speaking, was a member here in Milwaukee. Laura [email protected]

Could anyone tell me where to write to for information for a ship manifest or anything pertaining to a port of entry in Chicago? On my ancestor's certificate of intent it states that his port of entry was Chicago in the year 1857. I would like to find a passenger list if possible. Thank you, Sharon Peot __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

Does anyone know of this singing group? My Great Grandfather (from Switzerland) german speaking, was a member here in Milwaukee. Laura [email protected]

The Wild Rose Historical Society is looking for people who are related to members of the 1905 posse. These men were members of the posse: F.M. Clark. J.V. Berens, J.M. Protheroe, I.R. Nash, D.O. Jones, Rob Stevenson, Jeff Sage, T.H. Davis, John Roberts, Albert Lowe, Lewis Protheroe, Theo. Woodward, Will Hughes, Al Fero, James Roberts, Elmer Funk, Oscar Holt, Fred Sage, Dr. Jones, Jas. Kelley, Ed Lowe, C.E. and C.H. Darling, Henry Galbrilski, A.J. Hotz, Undersheriff Dignan, Thos. Hart, Gomer Jones, R.T. Davis, Jonnie Colligan, Rob Owens, Lewis Radloft, Harry Persons, Harry Protheroe, Fred Clark, R.R. Davis, Prof. Olson, and Arthur Stoddard. You may contact Pam Anderson at [email protected] if you are a relative or if you are interested in being part of a reenactment on July 16th. Pam Anderson

Can you copy and paste the link? Just a note.... I found a link on the Milwaukee Public Library's website that will do look-ups of obituraries and other lookups for a fee. They will also mail it to you and bill you. Very convenient. I requested several pre-1930 obituraries and they found 9 out of 11 submitted. The earliest 1910. Thanks again for the tip on the German papers, I am checking those next. Laura [email protected] ==== WIMILWAU Mailing List ==== For subscribe/unsubscribe and other general list information, please see http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sewis/wimilwau.htm ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Here is the Central Milwaukee Public Library's Ditto Copy site. http://www.mpl.org/File/ditto_index.htm I received my information in 2 days! Laura On May 6, 2005, at 9:26 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Can you copy and paste the link? > > Just a note.... > > I found a link on the Milwaukee Public Library's website > that will do look-ups of obituraries and other lookups for > a fee. They will also mail it to you and bill you. Very > convenient. > > I requested several pre-1930 obituraries and they > found 9 out of 11 submitted. The earliest 1910. > > Thanks again for the tip on the German papers, I am checking > those next. > > Laura > [email protected] > > > ==== WIMILWAU Mailing List ==== > For subscribe/unsubscribe and other general list information, please > see > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sewis/wimilwau.htm > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ==== WIMILWAU Mailing List ==== > For subscribe/unsubscribe and other general list information, please > see > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sewis/wimilwau.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Just a note.... I found a link on the Milwaukee Public Library's website that will do look-ups of obituraries and other lookups for a fee. They will also mail it to you and bill you. Very convenient. I requested several pre-1930 obituraries and they found 9 out of 11 submitted. The earliest 1910. Thanks again for the tip on the German papers, I am checking those next. Laura [email protected]

Need some help ???? look- up for any of these places b. 1824 Cuyler Cortland Co. Ny d. 4 Apr 1893 Milwaukee, Milwaukee Co. Wi parents John Richardsond. 10 Nov 1875 Leon Cem. Sparta, Monroe Co. Wis Hannah Fairbanks b.1797 Ny d. 1888 bur with husband bro James Nelson Richardson b. 25 dec 1826 Cuyler, Ny. d. 1910 Mt Hope Cem, Sparta, Monroe Co. Wi mar. 26 aug 1847 Cortland Co. New York Clarissa Webster b. 3 oct 1826 Cortland Co. Ny d. 1901 bur beside husband Dolly mar. 23 Apr 1851 Cuyler, Cortland Co. Ny. Harvey Clark b. 1822 Ny. d. 13 - 20 Sep 1863 Civil War New Orleans, La. fell off of steamboat disease bur 19 Sep 1865 New Woodstock Cem. or stone there Dolly & Harvey children Phobe Caroline 1853 -1854 ny. mar Milton Miles & Charles T Silk one son Silk Jesse C. May b. 23 May 1856 Cortland Ny. unknown Elliot b. 22 Mar 1860 Madison Co. Ny. unknown Ada M b. 28 Oct 1862 Madison Co. Ny. unknown This is from Harvey Clark Pension records & census records, cem records Ann in Ks

Email Salt Lake directly at [email protected] Or call them at 800-346-6044. Ask for someone in the Slavic department. I can't guarantee that your question will be fully answered but they will try. Davideen Demske -----Original Message----- From: Pam G [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 12:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Looking for FamilySearch film advice Hello, Wondering if any of you are LDS film specialists out there, that could help me with an LDS film search I'm stuck on. . . 1). In 2001 I found a link to a film of interest from a church in Berlin, film #2034661 for the name STREESE, but now I cannot find the same film # in the catalog nor can I pull up the same name I found before.(I have the printout so I'm using the correct #. .) I have found an ancestral file for the husband of this person, Dorothee Streese, but not the film I listed here. There is a Henriette Streese listed, but this is a different person, different church. Do these films ever "disappear" from the records, or has the system/labels changed at all? Or could this have been a misprint from that time?? Or is there a way to find a batch # for this church?? There are some films for that church, which leads me to my next question, 2) . .the church is Sankt Matthaus(w/ umlaut) and there are some "FHL INTL" films such as 70569, etc., but is there a way to search anything with these international #, since there are only 5 numbers in the designation as opposed to the 7 numbers in a standard film designation. In other words, I want to do a search for names like I can do with putting in a batch number but is there a way to find a batch number for these films?? 3) When searching batches, for example, another church in that series, a Sankt Nikolai, there are thousands of records, in alphabetical order, and since my name is way at the end of the alphabet, how do I advance the screens to get there without individually scrolling the "next" on every page?? It's very tedious, and at the time, the computer wouldn't even let me go past the B;s in the alphabet. . Or, does anyone know of any LDS discussion sites where I could ask these questions?? Thanks for any leads for information, Pam G. in CA

One thing I have notice in the early Milwaukee Journals is around the same area of the obituaries, they have listed a section entitled "burial permits." All that is listed is their name, the address in which they died, and the cemetery. It isn't much, but it has helped me. -----Original Message----- From: Laura bender <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 2 May 2005 08:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [WiMilwau] Obituary Research Does anyone know if there are obituaries posted on-line from the years 1910-1930 for the Milwaukee Journal? Will I find these at the Central Library? Laura [email protected] ==== WIMILWAU Mailing List ==== For subscribe/unsubscribe and other general list information, please see http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sewis/wimilwau.htm ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Yes, that is where I found my George Frank (2g-grandpa). I think he and his 2nd wife must have been pretty poor, as the stones on their graves are very basic and in the wife's case, it only has H. Frank, not even her whole name. They are buried in Union Cemetery, and through a process of cross-checking death certs against cemetery records, and following a couple of hunches, I found the names of the seven people buried in the plot, even though only two have stones. mrf [email protected] wrote: >One thing I have notice in the early Milwaukee Journals is around the same area of the obituaries, they have listed a section entitled "burial permits." All that is listed is their name, the address in which they died, and the cemetery. It isn't much, but it has helped me. > > >

Thanks Karen (and Bob). I guess my real question is whether anyone has done enough German newspaper research to know whether our German ancestors were MORE inclined to put an obit into those papers, or if the obits are equally sparse before 1920's. I imagine there wasn't always money around to do these obits, in any case, but just wondered if there seemed to be more of them in those German papers than in the Milwaukee Journal and Sentinel. Tom & Karen Duffy wrote: >Mary, > I did have luck looking in the German papers--specifically the Milwaukee >Herold on microfilm at the Central library. They also have another German >paper or two. I was checking the early 1900s for my information, say >1902-1920 for three obits. Now, I don't speak German AT ALL, but I could >locate the obit by finding the page (usually near the end of the paper) that >had square notices with names. For the content, "kinder" or children's >names are listed, for example. Then you might see "mutter" or "grossmutter" >which you can probably tell is "mother" and "grandmother." Any other >specifics (days, months, etc) I checked the dictionary and figured it out. >You could ask a high school German teacher or who knows who else on-line. > I have also found obits in the "Kuryer Polski" at the library by >following the same procedure, although I know a bit of Polish so maybe that >was easier. > It's do-able! > >Karen > > > > > >

Mary, I did have luck looking in the German papers--specifically the Milwaukee Herold on microfilm at the Central library. They also have another German paper or two. I was checking the early 1900s for my information, say 1902-1920 for three obits. Now, I don't speak German AT ALL, but I could locate the obit by finding the page (usually near the end of the paper) that had square notices with names. For the content, "kinder" or children's names are listed, for example. Then you might see "mutter" or "grossmutter" which you can probably tell is "mother" and "grandmother." Any other specifics (days, months, etc) I checked the dictionary and figured it out. You could ask a high school German teacher or who knows who else on-line. I have also found obits in the "Kuryer Polski" at the library by following the same procedure, although I know a bit of Polish so maybe that was easier. It's do-able! Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary R. Frank" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [WiMilwau] Obituary Research > Bob, have you (or has anyone else on this list) ever done much > investigating of the German language papers to see if this is equally > true for those papers? My German isn't strong enough to do this (not > yet, anyway), but am just wondering if anyone has found them in the > German papers. > > mrf > > > Laura Bender wrote: > > > Thanks for the information Bob. It sounds like slim to none for me then. > > But I can check it off my list of search spots then! > > > > Laura > > On May 2, 2005, at 12:05 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > >> Laura, I have read obits and death notices often at the Central > >> Library but > >> they are, of course on microfilm. You get them (the films) on the > >> 2nd floor, > >> down past the Humanities Room. Let me warn you though, the papers > >> were not > >> as involved in printing obituaries and/or death notices back then. > >> I found > >> that many times there were no Death Notices at all and only > >> obituaries for the > >> so-called famous people of Milwaukee. Bob > >> > >> > > > > > ==== WIMILWAU Mailing List ==== > For subscribe/unsubscribe and other general list information, please see > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sewis/wimilwau.htm > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Sorry Mary, I have done no research into the German language newspapers. This is because they deal mainly with Milwaukee and surrounding counties whereas I am from up north. I tried only once up in Appleton for my great grandparents and only the wife was there, the husband wasn't. I had already gotten the same from the Appleton (now Post-Crescent) almost word for word so feel one copied the other. Bob

Hi, I'm trying to help out a girlfriend of mine. She is looking for the death of an ancestor & just cannot seem to locate him anyplace. Carl Buss--Busse---Boos (Various spellings) b abt 1820 married a Mary or Marie Rantom or Ramton. She died in Oct. 1911 in Outagamie County but her obit makes no mention of him as alive or deceased. There is the smallest chance Carl could be his middle name. In 1880 census they were residing in T of Freedom, Outagamie County. Cannot locate him in 1900 census but did locate Mary living in Appleton. We assume he died betw 1880-1900. We have checked ALL cemeteries in T of Freedom, a couple in Appleton & Neenah & Menasha & just no luck. Have called a few churches In Kaukauna, T of Freedom, Appleton, Neenah, Menasha & told same thing. Not buried from our church. We know he had relatives throughout the state & it is believed he may have been visiting some or maybe HE moved to Milwaukee area. We do know he is NOT listed in Archdiocese of Milwaukee records. We also know that most Buss were Lutheran-his wife was. I'm afraid this is about all the info I have. Any help would be deeply appreciated, Thanks, Kathy

Bob, have you (or has anyone else on this list) ever done much investigating of the German language papers to see if this is equally true for those papers? My German isn't strong enough to do this (not yet, anyway), but am just wondering if anyone has found them in the German papers. mrf Laura Bender wrote: > Thanks for the information Bob. It sounds like slim to none for me then. > But I can check it off my list of search spots then! > > Laura > On May 2, 2005, at 12:05 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> Laura, I have read obits and death notices often at the Central >> Library but >> they are, of course on microfilm. You get them (the films) on the >> 2nd floor, >> down past the Humanities Room. Let me warn you though, the papers >> were not >> as involved in printing obituaries and/or death notices back then. >> I found >> that many times there were no Death Notices at all and only >> obituaries for the >> so-called famous people of Milwaukee. Bob >> >> >

Thanks for the information Bob. It sounds like slim to none for me then. But I can check it off my list of search spots then! Laura On May 2, 2005, at 12:05 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Laura, I have read obits and death notices often at the Central > Library but > they are, of course on microfilm. You get them (the films) on the 2nd > floor, > down past the Humanities Room. Let me warn you though, the papers > were not > as involved in printing obituaries and/or death notices back then. I > found > that many times there were no Death Notices at all and only > obituaries for the > so-called famous people of Milwaukee. Bob > > > ==== WIMILWAU Mailing List ==== > For subscribe/unsubscribe and other general list information, please > see > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sewis/wimilwau.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Laura, I have read obits and death notices often at the Central Library but they are, of course on microfilm. You get them (the films) on the 2nd floor, down past the Humanities Room. Let me warn you though, the papers were not as involved in printing obituaries and/or death notices back then. I found that many times there were no Death Notices at all and only obituaries for the so-called famous people of Milwaukee. Bob

Does anyone know if there are obituaries posted on-line from the years 1910-1930 for the Milwaukee Journal? Will I find these at the Central Library? Laura [email protected]