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Hello, I haven't had ANY time to speak of for genealogy, but I did want to share a "miracle"(as far as I'm concerned) story about the value of old photos that hopefully will serve to "encourage" us for the holidays. ..and the treasure of old photos. . hopefully this isn't too longwinded. . (please forgive me if it is. .) Our family has virtually NO photos of either of my mother's or father's ancestors' families, as my real grandmother(mother's side) died when my mother was only 1 year old, went her own way, and when my father's father died, and my grandmother remattied, her second husband discarded all the family pictures. Now that 3rd generation up from me(I'm ~50) is mostly gone and most of those who would know anything or possibly have any pictures are all gone, or if not, don't generally use the internet so it's difficult to find anyone who has or knows anything. So thus, I flew across the country from CA and drove 3 hours to this VERY SMALL town in PA, where everyone STILL knows everyone else to see what I could find. . I ended up getting led to 4 different people in town who knew various stories, etc and found out that when my grandmother's stepsister died w/o children, whoever went to "clean up" the estate, started throwing all the old pictures into a fire. Fortunately, someone stopped them partly way through and was able to save some of them(this stepsister was VERY into pictures). Anyway, a woman who currently runs the cemetary in town knew all the stories, and had wanted the albums so she could have them available for relatives who came visiting the cemetary, but whatever woman who ended up with the pictures wouldn't let her have them,. . I felt as if I was stepping into a political minefield, but anyway, after I came home, I was referred to a daughter of the woman who ended up with the pctures, who wasn't AT ALL related to my family. She informed me that this woman was in a nursing home with Alzheimer's and the pictures were sitting on her back porch and she was just about to start cutting them up for her daughter's school projects because she didn't know what to do with them!!! So you guessed it, I was HAPPY recipient of 12 photo albums of pictures, totally surprised, and didn't mind at all paying for her expenses to send them to me. Now, unfortunately, only about 15% of the albums were very old pictures which were my side of the family, and NONE of those were labeled with dates or names, so I have further sleuthing to do to identify them. .. .I'm truly hoping that one of the pictures is my g-grandfather, but I can't verify that. . the rest were from the stepsister's side,. . however, in the whole process, I ended up connecting with someone in the other line who was active in genealogy who had even searched that family back to the year 1000(yes, that's right) and she didn't have ANY pictures of that family either, so now she was the lucky recipient of some surprise pictures of her family to add to her published book!! And 4 of those same townspeople wanted copies of some of the pictures as well, so you just never know what can happen when pictures are saved or who will be blessed. .. Unfortunately, the local Historical Society chairperson for that county is one of those that Shelley referred to as "not interested"or supportive of these projects, which is really sad, but at least the state has someone who runs a website for people to post pictures for others, etc. I couldn't believe how long it took me to scan and catalog and print over 500 pictures, some of them stuck onto the pages, not able to move or copy. So, just to say "kudos" to the Shelley's of the world and others who attempt to save these priceless treasures for the benefit of someone else. Thank you so much for your efforts!! Pictures are just not replacable and mean so much!! Maybe we could try a newpaper project to share with others the value of saving pictures so families would know that SOMEONE will have a use for their pictures. . ?? Now, if I could just have the same luck with my Milwaukee family. .. ??!! Best wishes to all for Christmas, New Years and all the holiday season!! Pam in CA

I decided to repost this request as I felt that the original may have been lost in the "Bicker Fest" that has recently been occurring on the Milwaukee list.... Sorry to be redundant, for those who saw but could offer no help, and those that had no part of what was going on.....Wendy **I need a little help. Does anyone know how to access records for a person who was in this home? (Northwest Home for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers) My husbands gg grandfather Daniel Boyle is listed in the 1900 census at the home. The census then goes on to state that he is "absent". I can not find a death record/burial for him but believe he died Nov 5, 1905. I was hoping that maybe records still existed for men at the home. I am having quite the time with this family. Daniel Boyle married Margaret White Oct 1865 in Watertown Jefferson, Wisconsin. I can not find a marriage record. They appear on the 1860 - 1880 census as living in Douglas, Marquette, Wisconsin. During that time they had at least 7 children, Mary -15 Oct 1866, John William 16 Nov 1868, Tressie 1870, Julia 1874, Maggie 1877 & Eugene 15 Jan 1880. But.... I can find NO birth, death or marriage records for anyone in the family. I have no idea who Daniels parents are. He was born in Ireland. Hence the hope of a marriage record for Daniel & Margaret. >From what I can piece together from pension records Daniel had an accident with a streetcar May 30 1893 in Milwaukee. I have no idea if he was living in the home at that time or perhaps in Milwaukee. I do know that by Oct 1893 he was living in Briggsville, Marquette, Wisconsin. So I think that he was probably just in Milwaukee for another reason. Just a guess. Thanks for any help you can give me. Wendy in Washington state

Probably enough has been said on this topic but I feel strongly enough about it that I will add my two cents worth. The lack of interest on the part of historical societies in pictures of people of minimal historical importance occured to me at once. Also, the lack of resources of historical societies to deal with the memorabilia they might accept. Will they be able to put an idex online, much less actual copies? Will they be able to scan and send copies to people interested in the items? As someone who does research long distance, these are important considerations to me. And, in the case of a family that moved frequently, which location does one pick for the respository? I acquired photos of a distant branch of my family some time back. I consider myself a caretaker of sorts. My name is in many locations online as someone researching this particular family (Juergens/Bruhn). If contacted by a direct descendent of this family, I would pass along the material (retaining scanned copies for myself). Anyone else with an interest could also receive scanned copies. I feel this kind of sharing among individuals is much more valuable than having the items hidden away in an unreachable repository. Kristine Reilly >> WIMILWAU-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the WIMILWAU mailing list, send an email to WIMILWAU@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WIMILWAU-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of WIMILWAU Digest, Vol 1, Issue 71 > ***************************************

I had really hoped that I would not feel compelled to say any more about all this. John (of Racine)-- if you had noted the mild, friendly, and respectful manner of the latest on-list posted exchanges between Shelley and me (see below), I think would have seen we had moved into essential agreement on several matters. I incorrectly concluded some time ago that Shelley MIGHT be involved in some type of Internet scam, and I decided to post a WiMilwau warning about this (possibly a bad idea, in retrospect), but I have now come to feel that she was really just trying to help genealogists generously in her own special way. So I felt this matter, a good learning experience, had been basically put to rest. Now I just unexpectedly got another one of your foolish on-list ATTACK emails (see below) complaining about me. What are you gaining here, John? All this seems to go back to a strongly worded off-list email expression of annoyance about previous posted complaints about me that I sent some time ago. You then only accelerated your on-line complaints against me. Otherwise, I don't understand why you seem to be so mad at me (or what "SISU" means or who I've supposedly "villainized"). And an apology from you would still be nice, even if very unexpected (I'm not holding my breath on this). This matter is now closed, as far as I'm concerned-- and, John, I will NOT carry on any further on-list discussions on this with you. Maybe you need to get a life, John-- or at least try to join the generous & happy spirit of the holiday season ............John (in metro Chicago) ================================================================ Subj: Re: [WIMILWAU] WIMILWAU Digest, Vol 1, Issue 71 Date: 12/23/2006 4:04:14 A.M. Central Standard Time From: circlescape@gmail.com Reply-to: wimilwau@rootsweb.com To: Mr Magie- I see you have tried again, and failed, in attempting to villanize another member of this list. Your opinions were not asked for nor were your accusations warranted. A member merely stated that they had obtained 2 photographs related to a specific family and with her careful research, managed to conclude that they had a link to the Milwaukee area. She was seeking to put these photographs in the possession of a current family member. She was not soliciting for opinions, suggestions or accusations. If you had no knowledge of this family or how to locate any surviving members, the appropriate response on your part would have been, NO RESPONSE. Again you have managed to contribute a large mass of unneeded, highly opinionated and totally useless information to the archives of this list. Happy Holidays & SISU! John in Racine ______________________________________________________________________________ _________ Subj: RE: Shelley's emails-- a scam? Date: 12/22/2006 6:23:06 P.M. Central Standard Time From: _cardiels@comcast.net_ (mailto:cardiels@comcast.net) To: _JQMagie@aol.com_ (mailto:JQMagie@aol.com) , _Bjpaquet@aol.com_ (mailto:Bjpaquet@aol.com) , _wimilwau@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:wimilwau@rootsweb.com) I would certainly encourage all to donate time and energy to the process of archiving and documenting family history, part of that is supporting those institutions and groups which retain and maintain these documents for all the share and enjoy. It is a great way to volunteer in your own community. Shelley ________________ From: JQMagie@aol.com [mailto:JQMagie@aol.com] Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:57 AM To: cardiels@comcast.net; Bjpaquet@aol.com; wimilwau@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Shelley's emails-- a scam? Shelley-- I hope to not to belabor this subject much more. But I hope you don't object to my quoting you below from your recent off-list email to me. The points you make especially in the first few sentences below are valuable and have changed my thinking somewhat-- along with good related comments of Beverly in Tucson (Bjpaquet@aol.com). The minimal interest of state & local historical societies in old photos and related memorabilia is something that hadn't occurred to me recently, even though I have spent much of life working for state historical societies and landmark commissions. Nevertheless, in the interests of the safekeeping of the memorabilia you collect, I still recommend that when you acquire old photos, etc., that you consider FIRST trying hard to get an historical society to add these to their collections. However, if this fails, THEN return to your hobby of looking for new owners via RootsWeb genealogy sites, etc. Does this make any sense to you? Best Season's Greetings to all ........... John (in metro Chicago _______________________________________________________________ Subj: RE: Shelley's emails-- a scam? Date: 12/22/2006 11:12:09 A.M. Central Standard Time From: cardiels@comcast.net To: JQMagie@aol.com John: Quite frankly giving them to genealogical and historical societies is amazingly enough not welcomed by many. Like you I assumed that they would all welcome these treasures with open arms, but find that they don’t. Many are without the archiving space necessary and tell me that they actually often sell these items or give them away because of lack of space. In addition, many claim that they do not have members interested in preserving or researching these families, only their own. Since I’m only posting on genealogy websites I don’t think I’m being taken by collectors and in fact many of the people who claim photographs do have other photographs to these same people as comparison and share. My first hope is that they are back with family, if not I would like the items back in caring hands. In fact many end up with researchers willing to continue the search from family. I believe that I do my best to see that my goals are realized and I have to trust that those who receive these gifts do the right thing as well. No anger here as I know that others do not share my opinions or believe that what I do is right or even necessary and also may disagree with my methods, but since I know that my intentions are good I have no reason to be angry with those that disagree with me and I welcome others “checking” me out. This hobby is a financial loss to me though at the same time is has been one of my life’s greatest rewards. Happy Holidays, Shelley ________________________________________________________________

I agree--I like the term "genealogical angel." I would like to spend more time rescuing photos, but have hardly had the focus to do any genealogy this year, since my mom passed in March. I'm hoping to get some energy up for genealogy again in the near future, as I miss it. I have an adopted "uncle" whose photo I rescued from the flea market at Delevan, WI. I found him in the 1930 census (but at the moment it's slipping my mind where he lived--I think it was MN). I fell in love with the large (8x10 photo) and the small pocket-size photo that was taped to the corner. I also was so moved by the fact that his daughter (also gone by now) had handwritten information about him and herself on the back of the photo, so I knew that SHE cared. I tried to find someone through a list of that last name, but wasn't convinced that the person who emailed me was even related. I decided to keep "Uncle" Signor Thue's photo for now, but I think the historical society where he lived in MN would be a better long-term solution. Wow, it's amazing to think how these photos can have a life of their own and just "wander" among us until they find another home. I think the most important thing is to keep them from being destroyed. mrf Quoting Dianne Larson Ward <dianne710@comcast.net>: Shelley, "HURRAY!" for people like you! I completely understand your desire to place those precious orphaned items with members of the appropriate families. IMO, that's where they belong whenever possible...not locked up in an archive where those who are descended from the subjects will most likely never know they exist. It must take a lot of time and energy to do what you do....much more than most people would bother with when thre's no "payback". ... Everyone has the right to their own opinion, but to me...you are a genealogical angel! Happy Holidays to you and all......... Dianne Larson Ward >

Resending with the proper Subject Line. On 12/23/06, John <circlescape@gmail.com> wrote: > > Mr Magie- > > I see you have tried again, and failed, in attempting to villanize another > member of this list. Your opinions were not asked for nor were your > accusations warranted. A member merely stated that they had obtained 2 > photographs related to a specific family and with her careful research, > managed to conclude that they had a link to the Milwaukee area. She was > seeking to put these photographs in the possession of a current family > member. She was not soliciting for opinions, suggestions or accusations. > If you had no knowledge of this family or how to locate any surviving > members, the appropriate response on your part would have been, NO RESPONSE. > > Again you have managed to contribute a large mass of unneeded, highly > opinionated and totally useless information to the archives of this list. > > Happy Holidays & SISU! > > John in Racine > > > Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:56:39 EST > > From: JQMagie@aol.com > > Subject: Re: [WIMILWAU] Shelley's emails-- a scam? > > To: cardiels@comcast.net, Bjpaquet@aol.com, wimilwau@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <cbe.40aab7b.32bd8467@aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > Shelley-- I hope to not to belabor this subject much more. But I hope > > you > > don't object to my quoting you below from your recent off-list email > > to me. > > The points you make especially in the first few sentences below > > are valuable > > and have changed my thinking somewhat-- along with good > > related comments of > > Beverly in Tucson (Bjpaquet@aol.com). > > > > The minimal interest of state & local historical societies in old > > photos and > > related memorabilia is something that hadn't occurred to me recently, > > even > > though I have spent much of life working for state historical societies > > and > > landmark commissions. > > > > Nevertheless, in the interests of the safekeeping of the memorabilia > > you > > collect, I still recommend that when you acquire old photos, etc., that > > you > > consider FIRST trying hard to get an historical society to add these to > > their > > collections. However, if this fails, THEN return to your hobby of > > looking for > > new owners via RootsWeb genealogy sites, etc. Does this make any sense > > to > > you? Best Season's Greetings to all ........... John (in metro > > Chicago) > > >

Mr Magie- I see you have tried again, and failed, in attempting to villanize another member of this list. Your opinions were not asked for nor were your accusations warranted. A member merely stated that they had obtained 2 photographs related to a specific family and with her careful research, managed to conclude that they had a link to the Milwaukee area. She was seeking to put these photographs in the possession of a current family member. She was not soliciting for opinions, suggestions or accusations. If you had no knowledge of this family or how to locate any surviving members, the appropriate response on your part would have been, NO RESPONSE. Again you have managed to contribute a large mass of unneeded, highly opinionated and totally useless information to the archives of this list. Happy Holidays & SISU! John in Racine Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:56:39 EST > From: JQMagie@aol.com > Subject: Re: [WIMILWAU] Shelley's emails-- a scam? > To: cardiels@comcast.net, Bjpaquet@aol.com, wimilwau@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <cbe.40aab7b.32bd8467@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Shelley-- I hope to not to belabor this subject much more. But I hope > you > don't object to my quoting you below from your recent off-list email > to me. > The points you make especially in the first few sentences below > are valuable > and have changed my thinking somewhat-- along with good related comments > of > Beverly in Tucson (Bjpaquet@aol.com). > > The minimal interest of state & local historical societies in old photos > and > related memorabilia is something that hadn't occurred to me recently, > even > though I have spent much of life working for state historical societies > and > landmark commissions. > > Nevertheless, in the interests of the safekeeping of the memorabilia you > collect, I still recommend that when you acquire old photos, etc., that > you > consider FIRST trying hard to get an historical society to add these to > their > collections. However, if this fails, THEN return to your hobby of > looking for > new owners via RootsWeb genealogy sites, etc. Does this make any sense > to > you? Best Season's Greetings to all ........... John (in metro > Chicago)

I would certainly encourage all to donate time and energy to the process of archiving and documenting family history, part of that is supporting those institutions and groups which retain and maintain these documents for all the share and enjoy. It is a great way to volunteer in your own community. Shelley _____ From: JQMagie@aol.com [mailto:JQMagie@aol.com] Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:57 AM To: cardiels@comcast.net; Bjpaquet@aol.com; wimilwau@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Shelley's emails-- a scam? Shelley-- I hope to not to belabor this subject much more. But I hope you don't object to my quoting you below from your recent off-list email to me. The points you make especially in the first few sentences below are valuable and have changed my thinking somewhat-- along with good related comments of Beverly in Tucson (Bjpaquet@aol.com). The minimal interest of state & local historical societies in old photos and related memorabilia is something that hadn't occurred to me recently, even though I have spent much of life working for state historical societies and landmark commissions. Nevertheless, in the interests of the safekeeping of the memorabilia you collect, I still recommend that when you acquire old photos, etc., that you consider FIRST trying hard to get an historical society to add these to their collections. However, if this fails, THEN return to your hobby of looking for new owners via RootsWeb genealogy sites, etc. Does this make any sense to you? Best Season's Greetings to all ........... John (in metro Chicago) ________________________________________________________________ Subj: RE: Shelley's emails-- a scam? Date: 12/22/2006 11:12:09 A.M. Central Standard Time From: cardiels@comcast.net To: JQMagie@aol.com John: Quite frankly giving them to genealogical and historical societies is amazingly enough not welcomed by many. Like you I assumed that they would all welcome these treasures with open arms, but find that they don't. Many are without the archiving space necessary and tell me that they actually often sell these items or give them away because of lack of space. In addition, many claim that they do not have members interested in preserving or researching these families, only their own. Since I'm only posting on genealogy websites I don't think I'm being taken by collectors and in fact many of the people who claim photographs do have other photographs to these same people as comparison and share. My first hope is that they are back with family, if not I would like the items back in caring hands. In fact many end up with researchers willing to continue the search from family. I believe that I do my best to see that my goals are realized and I have to trust that those who receive these gifts do the right thing as well. No anger here as I know that others do not share my opinions or believe that what I do is right or even necessary and also may disagree with my methods, but since I know that my intentions are good I have no reason to be angry with those that disagree with me and I welcome others "checking" me out. This hobby is a financial loss to me though at the same time is has been one of my life's greatest rewards. Happy Holidays, Shelley ________________________________________________________________

I need a little help. Does anyone know how to access records for a person who was in this home? My husbands gg grandfather Daniel Boyle is listed in the 1900 census at the home. The census then goes on to state that he is "absent". I can not find a death record/burial for him but believe he died Nov 5, 1905. I was hoping that maybe records still existed for men at the home. I am having quite the time with this family. Daniel Boyle married Margaret White Oct 1865 in Watertown Jefferson, Wisconsin. I can not find a marriage record. They appear on the 1860 - 1880 census as living in Douglas, Marquette, Wisconsin. During that time they had at least 7 children, Mary -15 Oct 1866, John William 16 Nov 1868, Tressie 1870, Julia 1874, Maggie 1877 & Eugene 15 Jan 1880. But.... I can find NO birth, death or marriage records for anyone in the family. I have no idea who Daniels parents are. He was born in Ireland. Hence the hope of a marriage record for Daniel & Margaret. >From what I can piece together from pension records Daniel had an accident with a streetcar May 30 1893 in Milwaukee. I have no idea if he was living in the home at that time or perhaps in Milwaukee. I do know that by Oct 1893 he was living in Briggsville, Marquette, Wisconsin. So I think that he was probably just in Milwaukee for another reason. Just a guess. Thanks for any help you can give me. Wendy in Washington state

Give it a rest Joe Or email her off list Donna

Shelley-- I hope to not to belabor this subject much more. But I hope you don't object to my quoting you below from your recent off-list email to me. The points you make especially in the first few sentences below are valuable and have changed my thinking somewhat-- along with good related comments of Beverly in Tucson (Bjpaquet@aol.com). The minimal interest of state & local historical societies in old photos and related memorabilia is something that hadn't occurred to me recently, even though I have spent much of life working for state historical societies and landmark commissions. Nevertheless, in the interests of the safekeeping of the memorabilia you collect, I still recommend that when you acquire old photos, etc., that you consider FIRST trying hard to get an historical society to add these to their collections. However, if this fails, THEN return to your hobby of looking for new owners via RootsWeb genealogy sites, etc. Does this make any sense to you? Best Season's Greetings to all ........... John (in metro Chicago) ________________________________________________________________ Subj: RE: Shelley's emails-- a scam? Date: 12/22/2006 11:12:09 A.M. Central Standard Time From: cardiels@comcast.net To: JQMagie@aol.com John: Quite frankly giving them to genealogical and historical societies is amazingly enough not welcomed by many. Like you I assumed that they would all welcome these treasures with open arms, but find that they don’t. Many are without the archiving space necessary and tell me that they actually often sell these items or give them away because of lack of space. In addition, many claim that they do not have members interested in preserving or researching these families, only their own. Since I’m only posting on genealogy websites I don’t think I’m being taken by collectors and in fact many of the people who claim photographs do have other photographs to these same people as comparison and share. My first hope is that they are back with family, if not I would like the items back in caring hands. In fact many end up with researchers willing to continue the search from family. I believe that I do my best to see that my goals are realized and I have to trust that those who receive these gifts do the right thing as well. No anger here as I know that others do not share my opinions or believe that what I do is right or even necessary and also may disagree with my methods, but since I know that my intentions are good I have no reason to be angry with those that disagree with me and I welcome others “checking” me out. This hobby is a financial loss to me though at the same time is has been one of my life’s greatest rewards. Happy Holidays, Shelley ________________________________________________________________

Shelley, "HURRAY!" for people like you! I completely understand your desire to place those precious orphaned items with members of the appropriate families. IMO, that's where they belong whenever possible...not locked up in an archive where those who are descended from the subjects will most likely never know they exist. It must take a lot of time and energy to do what you do....much more than most people would bother with when thre's no "payback". It breaks my heart to see photos and other treasures (whether with names or not) dumped anonymously in antique or junk shops..or sold in lots at auction. I have about 40 I purchased as two unidentified lots on Ebay just to obtain one I knew was a great aunt and two more I suspected were probably related...and several purchased in junk shops right here in western Washington. Many were from Milwaukee and other parts of Wisconsin, and others from New York, North Dakota, California and Iowa. Those old photos really did travel, didn't they? Mine have no names on them so when time permits I'll be posting them on my website so that others might see, identify, and claim them. Everyone has the right to their own opinion, but to me...you are a genealogical angel! Happy Holidays to you and all......... Dianne Larson Ward >From: "Shelley Cardiel" <cardiels@comcast.net> >Subject: Re: [WIMILWAU] Shelley's emails-- a scam? >To: <JQMagie@aol.com>, <wimilwau@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <002a01c72593$84c4aad0$0a00a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >I don't actually move around at all, have lived in Kirkland since 1999 and >have been recovering family treasures since then as well. This is a hobby, >something I do as a passion.not for profit. In my professional life I am an >insurance broker and work full time at that job, unlike my recovery hobby >which technically is a financial loser for me! I purchase these treasures >at antique stores, flea markets, estate sales, on Ebay, at auction, etc. and >then attempt to trace the families via the internet and through the US Mail >when I'm not successful on the internet. When families cannot be located >the items are passed to genealogical or historical societies in the area >from which they came in hopes that they will be discovered. I would be >delighted to have the financial funding to purchase these treasures and >donate them, however, I am not wealthy and therefore do have to cover my >expenses, though as I've mentioned I do end up passing a significant number >of items along to societies without my expenses being covered. > > > >Since I've been doing it for so long I now have friends and family >purchasing items for me as well as they travel throughout the country on >vacation or on business and have located others on the internet who make >recoveries as well. I am not surprised to find skeptics in the crowd, in a >world where more attention is paid to the negative than the positive I think >we are trained to believe the worst about people. > > > > > > -- "I think a hero is an ordinary individual who finds the strength to persevere and endure in spite of overwhelming obstacles." - Christopher Reeve

Jean-- you say you have had some good experiences working with Shelley. Very good. But bear in mind that most of us have had none. As I said in my post of last night, I DID write Shelley privately last November. She responded to me nicely off-list, yet frankly left me still very suspicious of her emailing agenda. After then looking over her MIX family photos post that we all got two days ago, I decided to go ahead and share with the WiMilwau list AND with Shelley my suspicion she MIGHT be involved in a scam. Looks like I misjudged several things-- but to what extent I'm still not clear .............John __________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: [WIMILWAU] Shelley's emails-- a scam? Date: 12/22/2006 1:47:35 A.M. CST From: jazinski@comcast.net Reply To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com They are ligitimate!!!! I received one from her a few years ago and all I paid was postage. I also contacted someone in Madison who received a relatives photo, thanks to Shelley. She's doing this out of the kindness of her heart and she certainly doesn't deserve this. She doesn't make any money on this. Why didn't you just write to her privately?. Merry Christmas to you!!!!!! Jean __________________________________________________________________

Shelly and All, I live in Tucson AZ and I do the exact same thing. I love to antique but it saddens me when I see old photos with names and the name and place of photographer. If the items is not to expensive ie. couple of bucks I purchase and try to find the "family". If unsuccessful, I then donate them to a genealogical society or historical society in the area where photo was taken. I have been successful in finding "homes" for photos, family history books and in one case a Bible which had dates of births, death etc back into the 1700's. If the item is to expensive for me to purchase I then write down the information and then will inform the person as to where I found the item. No gain in it for me...just wish someone would find some of my relatives some day and do the same. Hopefully, some day I will get a lead regarding my maternal grandfather who we believe may have been in a Catholic orphanage in Milwaukee. His SS application says he was born in Milwaukee but we know from other military papers that he was born in Jastrebarsko aka Jaska, Austria in about 1894. His story is that he and another friend stowed away on a ship and came to Milwaukee. He came in 1906 around 12 years old. He had an accent but both spoke and read the English language. We suspect that he may have been taken in by the nuns until he was of age. He then left that area and settled in Pittsburgh, PA. Any leads or suggestions on how to find orphanage records/ship records would be greatly appreciated. We believe his name was changed....he went by John Jacob Ray...which we know Ray is not an Austrian surname...but do know that Raj pronounced Ray is..but dont know. An Austrians got any suggestions?? Thanks and have a Safe and Happy Holiday Season. Beverly Pfeil Paquet Tucson AZ (Pittsburgh Native)

Shelley-- many thanks for your fine reasoned response to my rather crabby email-- perhaps stemming partly from a very bad cold & leg infection. Indeed I was worried that what I might get from you is a very angry return email. You seem to have a very praiseworthy love of old photos, family letters, etc. Yet I would think, with this love, your first response would be to get these items ASAP in the usually safe hands of a state or local historical society, even at some financial loss to yourself. With this kind of safekeeping, these items could be helpful to many researchers, not just one or two. Instead you still seem intent on selling or giving away these items to private individuals, who may soon lose (or lose interest in) these things. Furthermore how can you, for example, distinguish relatives of persons in old photos from professional (for-profit) collectors of old photos? Your approach here makes very little sense to me-- but perhaps I'm missing something. And most hobbyists are willing to tolerate some financial losses in pursuit of their beloved hobbies (but perhaps not you). You end your note below by stating "I hope people see the good in sharing." If you have read some of my many RootsWeb posts over the past few years, you would see that I too STRONGLY believe in sharing. But your selling and/or giving away memorabilia to strangers that email you strikes as a very poor way of preserving old photos, etc ..............John ________________________________________________________________ Subject: RE: Shelley's emails-- a scam? Date: 12/22/2006 12:37:02 A.M. CST From: cardiels@comcast.net To: JQMagie@aol.com, wimilwau@rootsweb.com I don’t actually move around at all, have lived in Kirkland since 1999 and have been recovering family treasures since then as well. This is a hobby, something I do as a passion…not for profit. In my professional life I am an insurance broker and work full time at that job, unlike my recovery hobby which technically is a financial loser for me! I purchase these treasures at antique stores, flea markets, estate sales, on Ebay, at auction, etc. and then attempt to trace the families via the internet and through the US Mail when I’m not successful on the internet. When families cannot be located the items are passed to genealogical or historical societies in the area from which they came in hopes that they will be discovered. I would be delighted to have the financial funding to purchase these treasures and donate them, however, I am not wealthy and therefore do have to cover my expenses, though as I’ve mentioned I do end up passing a significant number of items along to societies without my expenses being covered. Since I’ve been doing it for so long I now have friends and family purchasing items for me as well as they travel throughout the country on vacation or on business and have located others on the internet who make recoveries as well. I am not surprised to find skeptics in the crowd, in a world where more attention is paid to the negative than the positive I think we are trained to believe the worst about people. At any point in time I have hundreds of recovered photographs, bibles, photo albums, marraige certificates, family letters, diaries, autograph albums, etc. so I am always trying to post as much as possible to improve the chances that items will be returned to family. If I was interested in profit I would simply start selling items on Ebay and look for the highest bidder, but that is not my intent and certainly is not my passion. Sorry if something I said in an earlier response that was not “reassuring” maybe I wasn’t aware that you were looking for reassurance and responded without that in mind. Not easy in words to get intention across via email I’m afraid. You apology is not necessary I am just sorry that you were so easily convinced that no good was occurring. There are many others who like me are sharing their passion for family and the treasures which represent our families by recovering and reuniting these items with families. I hope people see the good in sharing. Shelley ________________________________________________________________

They are ligitimate!!!! I received one from her a few years ago and all I paid was postage. I also contacted someone in Madison who received a relatives photo, thanks to Shelley. She's doing this out of the kindness of her heart and she certainly doesn't deserve this. She doesn't make any money on this. Why didn't you just write to her privately?. Merry Christmas to you!!!!!! Jean -------------- Original message -------------- From: JQMagie@aol.com > The following memo from Shelley is about the eighth Shelley RootsWeb post > I've received just like this over the past year, mostly via the WiMilwau list. > Always there is talk of "rescuing" old photos. And I'm increasingly > wondering about about the legitimacy of these posts. > > Then on 11/14/06 I received two more of these memos, curiously one sent to > the NJEssex list and the other to WiMilwau. Since PrivateEye.com indicates > that Shelley is based in Kirkland in the State of Washington, one wonders how > she can move around so quickly between Milwaukee (WI) and Newark (NJ) photo > resources. But maybe there's a good explanation here. > > Partly because I have some Vincent relatives, the following day I emailed an > inquiry to Shelley and got two nice responses, though not especially > reassuring. Then I essentially forgot about all this. > > Shelley, why not just go ahead and donate these photos to appropriate local > historical societies, as Maxine wisely suggests (below). These would seem to > be far better homes than profit-making collectors of old photos who may > "claim" to be "Vincent" or "Mix" relatives, etc. > > Reluctantly I have concluded that you are sadly trying to sell these photos > to the highest bidder If I am incorrect here, Shelley, I really APOLOGIZE > PROFUSELY. > > In any case, MERRY CHRISTMAS to ALL WiMilwau listers ..............John > (in metro Chicago) > > PS-- Incidentally, Edward Townsend MIX (1831-1890), born in New Haven, CT, > was probably Milwaukee' most prominent architect in the 1860s, 1870s,1880s > (http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/dictionary). He designed St. Pauls > (Episcopal) > Church & the Mitchell Building, for example. But whether he was related to > Frank MIX (below) is another question. > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Subject: [WIMILWAU] MIX Family Photographs > Date: 12/20/2006 9:35:40 A.M. Central Standard Time > From: cardiels@comcast.net > Reply To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com > To: WIMILWAU@rootsweb.com > > I've "rescued" two old photographs belonging to the MIX Family. The first > is a photograph of Lizzie MIX which was taken at the John Hammond Studio in > Chicago, Illinois. The photograph appears to have been taken in the 1870's > with Lizzie appearing to be in her 20's at the time it was taken. The > second photograph is one of Ana MIX, taken at the August Schneider Studio in > Milwaukee, Wisconsin. This photograph also appears to have been taken in > the 1870's with Ana likely in her teens or 20's at the time. > > Based on limited research I was able to locate what may be this same family > in the 1880 census of Milwaukee, WI: > > Frank MIX, age 64, born in Bohemia, a Laborer, parents born Bohemia > Katy MIX, wife, age 57, born in Bohemia, Keeps House, parents born Bohemia > Anna MIX, dau, age 22, born in Bohemia, Sewing at Home > Kattie MIX, dau, age 20, born in Bohemia, Sewing at Home > Rosa MIX, dau, age 18, born in Bohemia, Sewing at Home > Joseph MIX, son, age 16, born WI, at Home > Dorah MIX, dau, age 13, born WI, at School > Lilly MIX, dau, age 1, born WI > Lizzie PERCILA, other, age 24, born WI, parents born France/Bohemia > > I am hoping to locate someone from the family so that these wonderful old > photographs can be returned to their rightful place with family. If you are > a member of this family, or know someone who might be, please contact me. > > Thanks, > Shelley > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Subject: [WIMILWAU] MARQUART Family Photograph > Date: 11/14/2006 6:27:09 A.M. Central Standard Time > From: cardiels@comcast.net > Reply To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com > To: WIMILWAU@rootsweb.com > > I've "rescued" an old photograph of Bertha MARQUART which was taken at the > T. Pechtel Studio in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. The photograph appears to have > been taken in the 1890's with Bertha likely in her 20's at the time it was > taken. Based on limited research I was able to locate a family in the 1880 > census of Wauwatosa, WI which might be a match, information is as follows: > > Albert MARGUART, age 40, born Prussia, a Farmer, parents born Prussia > Bertha MARGUART, wife, age 37, born Prussia, Keeping House, parents born > Prussia > Emma MARGUART, dau, age 10, born WI > Emil MARGUART, son, age 9, born WI > Matilda MARGUART, dau, age 7, born WI > Albert MARGUART, son, age 4, born WI > Bertha MARGUART, dau, age 1, born WI > > I am hoping to locate someone from Bertha's family so that this wonderful > old photograph can be returned to the care of her family. If you are a > member of this family, or know someone who might be, please contact me. > > Thanks, > Shelley > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Subject: [NJESSEX] VINCENT Family Photograph > Date: 11/14/2006 7:00:26 A.M. Central Standard Time > From: cardiels@comcast.net > To: NJESSEX@rootsweb.com > > I've "rescued" an old photograph of Marjorie VINCENT which was taken at the > H. J. Thein Studio in Newark, New Jersey. The photograph appears to have > been taken in the 1870's or 1880's with Marjorie noted as 7 months old at > the time it was taken. I'm hoping to locate someone from her family so that > this wonderful old photograph can be returned to their care. > > If you are a member of this family, or know someone who might be, please > contact me. > > Thanks, > Shelley > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Subj: [WIMILWAU] MIX Family Photographs > Date: 12/21/2006 2:00:07 P.M. Central Standard Time > From: mcapezza@earthlink.net > Reply-to: wimilwau@rootsweb.com > To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com > > > Shelly, > You are great to be looking for the right place for these old > photos. If no one claims them, you might talk to someone at the > Milwaukee County Historical Society. They have a web page and if > there isn't a "contact us" link, try this email: > I had some old photos once and they wanted them. Sometimes they know > of families that are searching. At least they'd be in a good > location in case someone did start searching....especially since you > have a name on them. > > Merry Christmas to everyone on the list. Hope you get just enough > white snow to make you happy and off the roads to keep you safe. > Maxine > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WIMILWAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

The following memo from Shelley is about the eighth Shelley RootsWeb post I've received just like this over the past year, mostly via the WiMilwau list. Always there is talk of "rescuing" old photos. And I'm increasingly wondering about about the legitimacy of these posts. Then on 11/14/06 I received two more of these memos, curiously one sent to the NJEssex list and the other to WiMilwau. Since PrivateEye.com indicates that Shelley is based in Kirkland in the State of Washington, one wonders how she can move around so quickly between Milwaukee (WI) and Newark (NJ) photo resources. But maybe there's a good explanation here. Partly because I have some Vincent relatives, the following day I emailed an inquiry to Shelley and got two nice responses, though not especially reassuring. Then I essentially forgot about all this. Shelley, why not just go ahead and donate these photos to appropriate local historical societies, as Maxine wisely suggests (below). These would seem to be far better homes than profit-making collectors of old photos who may "claim" to be "Vincent" or "Mix" relatives, etc. Reluctantly I have concluded that you are sadly trying to sell these photos to the highest bidder If I am incorrect here, Shelley, I really APOLOGIZE PROFUSELY. In any case, MERRY CHRISTMAS to ALL WiMilwau listers ..............John (in metro Chicago) PS-- Incidentally, Edward Townsend MIX (1831-1890), born in New Haven, CT, was probably Milwaukee' most prominent architect in the 1860s, 1870s,1880s (http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/dictionary). He designed St. Pauls (Episcopal) Church & the Mitchell Building, for example. But whether he was related to Frank MIX (below) is another question. ______________________________________________________________________ Subject: [WIMILWAU] MIX Family Photographs Date: 12/20/2006 9:35:40 A.M. Central Standard Time From: cardiels@comcast.net Reply To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com To: WIMILWAU@rootsweb.com I've "rescued" two old photographs belonging to the MIX Family. The first is a photograph of Lizzie MIX which was taken at the John Hammond Studio in Chicago, Illinois. The photograph appears to have been taken in the 1870's with Lizzie appearing to be in her 20's at the time it was taken. The second photograph is one of Ana MIX, taken at the August Schneider Studio in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. This photograph also appears to have been taken in the 1870's with Ana likely in her teens or 20's at the time. Based on limited research I was able to locate what may be this same family in the 1880 census of Milwaukee, WI: Frank MIX, age 64, born in Bohemia, a Laborer, parents born Bohemia Katy MIX, wife, age 57, born in Bohemia, Keeps House, parents born Bohemia Anna MIX, dau, age 22, born in Bohemia, Sewing at Home Kattie MIX, dau, age 20, born in Bohemia, Sewing at Home Rosa MIX, dau, age 18, born in Bohemia, Sewing at Home Joseph MIX, son, age 16, born WI, at Home Dorah MIX, dau, age 13, born WI, at School Lilly MIX, dau, age 1, born WI Lizzie PERCILA, other, age 24, born WI, parents born France/Bohemia I am hoping to locate someone from the family so that these wonderful old photographs can be returned to their rightful place with family. If you are a member of this family, or know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley _______________________________________________________________________ Subject: [WIMILWAU] MARQUART Family Photograph Date: 11/14/2006 6:27:09 A.M. Central Standard Time From: cardiels@comcast.net Reply To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com To: WIMILWAU@rootsweb.com I've "rescued" an old photograph of Bertha MARQUART which was taken at the T. Pechtel Studio in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. The photograph appears to have been taken in the 1890's with Bertha likely in her 20's at the time it was taken. Based on limited research I was able to locate a family in the 1880 census of Wauwatosa, WI which might be a match, information is as follows: Albert MARGUART, age 40, born Prussia, a Farmer, parents born Prussia Bertha MARGUART, wife, age 37, born Prussia, Keeping House, parents born Prussia Emma MARGUART, dau, age 10, born WI Emil MARGUART, son, age 9, born WI Matilda MARGUART, dau, age 7, born WI Albert MARGUART, son, age 4, born WI Bertha MARGUART, dau, age 1, born WI I am hoping to locate someone from Bertha's family so that this wonderful old photograph can be returned to the care of her family. If you are a member of this family, or know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley ________________________________________________________________________ Subject: [NJESSEX] VINCENT Family Photograph Date: 11/14/2006 7:00:26 A.M. Central Standard Time From: cardiels@comcast.net To: NJESSEX@rootsweb.com I've "rescued" an old photograph of Marjorie VINCENT which was taken at the H. J. Thein Studio in Newark, New Jersey. The photograph appears to have been taken in the 1870's or 1880's with Marjorie noted as 7 months old at the time it was taken. I'm hoping to locate someone from her family so that this wonderful old photograph can be returned to their care. If you are a member of this family, or know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley ________________________________________________________________________ Subj: [WIMILWAU] MIX Family Photographs Date: 12/21/2006 2:00:07 P.M. Central Standard Time From: mcapezza@earthlink.net Reply-to: wimilwau@rootsweb.com To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com Shelly, You are great to be looking for the right place for these old photos. If no one claims them, you might talk to someone at the Milwaukee County Historical Society. They have a web page and if there isn't a "contact us" link, try this email: <mchs@execpc.com> I had some old photos once and they wanted them. Sometimes they know of families that are searching. At least they'd be in a good location in case someone did start searching....especially since you have a name on them. Merry Christmas to everyone on the list. Hope you get just enough white snow to make you happy and off the roads to keep you safe. Maxine ________________________________________________________________________

I don't actually move around at all, have lived in Kirkland since 1999 and have been recovering family treasures since then as well. This is a hobby, something I do as a passion.not for profit. In my professional life I am an insurance broker and work full time at that job, unlike my recovery hobby which technically is a financial loser for me! I purchase these treasures at antique stores, flea markets, estate sales, on Ebay, at auction, etc. and then attempt to trace the families via the internet and through the US Mail when I'm not successful on the internet. When families cannot be located the items are passed to genealogical or historical societies in the area from which they came in hopes that they will be discovered. I would be delighted to have the financial funding to purchase these treasures and donate them, however, I am not wealthy and therefore do have to cover my expenses, though as I've mentioned I do end up passing a significant number of items along to societies without my expenses being covered. Since I've been doing it for so long I now have friends and family purchasing items for me as well as they travel throughout the country on vacation or on business and have located others on the internet who make recoveries as well. I am not surprised to find skeptics in the crowd, in a world where more attention is paid to the negative than the positive I think we are trained to believe the worst about people. At any point in time I have hundreds of recovered photographs, bibles, photo albums, marriage certificates, family letters, diaries, autograph albums, etc. so I am always trying to post as much as possible to improve the chances that items will be returned to family. If I was interested in profit I would simply start selling items on Ebay and look for the highest bidder, but that is not my intent and certainly is not my passion. Sorry if something I said in an earlier response that was not "reassuring" maybe I wasn't aware that you were looking for reassurance and responded without that in mind. Not easy in words to get intention across via email I'm afraid. You apology is not necessary I am just sorry that you were so easily convinced that no good was occurring. There are many others who like me are sharing their passion for family and the treasures which represent our families by recovering and reuniting these items with families. I hope people see the good in sharing. Shelley _____ From: JQMagie@aol.com [mailto:JQMagie@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:53 PM To: cardiels@comcast.net; wimilwau@rootsweb.com Subject: Shelley's emails-- a scam? The following memo from Shelley is about the eighth Shelley RootsWeb post I've received just like this over the past year, mostly via the WiMilwau list. Always there is talk of "rescuing" old photos. And I'm increasingly wondering about about the legitimacy of these posts. Then on 11/14/06 I received two more of these memos, curiously one sent to the NJEssex list and the other to WiMilwau. Since PrivateEye.com indicates that Shelley is based in Kirkland in the State of Washington, one wonders how she can move around so quickly between Milwaukee (WI) and Newark (NJ) photo resources. But maybe there's a good explanation here. Partly because I have some Vincent relatives, the following day I emailed an inquiry to Shelley and got two nice responses, though not especially reassuring. Then I essentially forgot about all this. Shelley, why not just go ahead and donate these photos to appropriate local historical societies, as Maxine wisely suggests (below). These would seem to be far better homes than profit-making collectors of old photos who may "claim" to be "Vincent" or "Mix" relatives, etc. Reluctantly I have concluded that you are sadly trying to sell these photos to the highest bidder If I am incorrect here, Shelley, I really APOLOGIZE PROFUSELY. In any case, MERRY CHRISTMAS to ALL WiMilwau listers ..............John (in metro Chicago) PS-- Incidentally, Edward Townsend MIX (1831-1890), born in New Haven, CT, was probably Milwaukee' most prominent architect in the 1860s, 1870s,1880s (http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/dictionary). He designed St. Pauls (Episcopal) Church & the Mitchell Building, for example. But whether he was related to Frank MIX (below) is another question. ______________________________________________________________________ Subject: [WIMILWAU] MIX Family Photographs Date: 12/20/2006 9:35:40 A.M. Central Standard Time From: cardiels@comcast.net Reply To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com To: WIMILWAU@rootsweb.com I've "rescued" two old photographs belonging to the MIX Family. The first is a photograph of Lizzie MIX which was taken at the John Hammond Studio in Chicago, Illinois. The photograph appears to have been taken in the 1870's with Lizzie appearing to be in her 20's at the time it was taken. The second photograph is one of Ana MIX, taken at the August Schneider Studio in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. This photograph also appears to have been taken in the 1870's with Ana likely in her teens or 20's at the time. Based on limited research I was able to locate what may be this same family in the 1880 census of Milwaukee, WI: Frank MIX, age 64, born in Bohemia, a Laborer, parents born Bohemia Katy MIX, wife, age 57, born in Bohemia, Keeps House, parents born Bohemia Anna MIX, dau, age 22, born in Bohemia, Sewing at Home Kattie MIX, dau, age 20, born in Bohemia, Sewing at Home Rosa MIX, dau, age 18, born in Bohemia, Sewing at Home Joseph MIX, son, age 16, born WI, at Home Dorah MIX, dau, age 13, born WI, at School Lilly MIX, dau, age 1, born WI Lizzie PERCILA, other, age 24, born WI, parents born France/Bohemia I am hoping to locate someone from the family so that these wonderful old photographs can be returned to their rightful place with family. If you are a member of this family, or know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley _______________________________________________________________________ Subject: [WIMILWAU] MARQUART Family Photograph Date: 11/14/2006 6:27:09 A.M. Central Standard Time From: cardiels@comcast.net Reply To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com To: WIMILWAU@rootsweb.com I've "rescued" an old photograph of Bertha MARQUART which was taken at the T. Pechtel Studio in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. The photograph appears to have been taken in the 1890's with Bertha likely in her 20's at the time it was taken. Based on limited research I was able to locate a family in the 1880 census of Wauwatosa, WI which might be a match, information is as follows: Albert MARGUART, age 40, born Prussia, a Farmer, parents born Prussia Bertha MARGUART, wife, age 37, born Prussia, Keeping House, parents born Prussia Emma MARGUART, dau, age 10, born WI Emil MARGUART, son, age 9, born WI Matilda MARGUART, dau, age 7, born WI Albert MARGUART, son, age 4, born WI Bertha MARGUART, dau, age 1, born WI I am hoping to locate someone from Bertha's family so that this wonderful old photograph can be returned to the care of her family. If you are a member of this family, or know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley ________________________________________________________________________ Subject: [NJESSEX] VINCENT Family Photograph Date: 11/14/2006 7:00:26 A.M. Central Standard Time From: cardiels@comcast.net To: NJESSEX@rootsweb.com I've "rescued" an old photograph of Marjorie VINCENT which was taken at the H. J. Thein Studio in Newark, New Jersey. The photograph appears to have been taken in the 1870's or 1880's with Marjorie noted as 7 months old at the time it was taken. I'm hoping to locate someone from her family so that this wonderful old photograph can be returned to their care. If you are a member of this family, or know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley ________________________________________________________________________ Subj: [WIMILWAU] MIX Family Photographs Date: 12/21/2006 2:00:07 P.M. Central Standard Time From: mcapezza@earthlink.net Reply-to: wimilwau@rootsweb.com To: wimilwau@rootsweb.com Shelly, You are great to be looking for the right place for these old photos. If no one claims them, you might talk to someone at the Milwaukee County Historical Society. They have a web page and if there isn't a "contact us" link, try this email: <mchs@execpc.com> I had some old photos once and they wanted them. Sometimes they know of families that are searching. At least they'd be in a good location in case someone did start searching....especially since you have a name on them. Merry Christmas to everyone on the list. Hope you get just enough white snow to make you happy and off the roads to keep you safe. Maxine ________________________________________________________________________

Here is what I found. Not sure it is right. Don't know if any of this is the right person. Wisconsin Deaths, 1820-1907 about Ernestine Wilde Name: Ernestine Wilde Death Date: 01 Jul 1893 County: Milwaukee Volume: 18 Page #: 0107 Reel: 075 Image: 2187 Index Volume: 06 ImageNum: 105773 Sequence #: 419386 Level Info: Wisconsin Vital Records Death Index. Wisconsin Deaths, 1820-1907 about Ernstine W M Wilde Name: Ernstine W M Wilde Death Date: 28 Nov 1906 County: Ozaukee Volume: 02 Page #: 0090 Reel: 106 Image: 2525 Index Volume: - ImageNum: 105773 Sequence #: 419387 Level Info: Wisconsin Vital Records Death Index. 1900 United States Federal Census > Wisconsin > Milwaukee > Milwaukee Ward 21 > District 187 Holton St Name: Frederick Wild Home in 1900: Milwaukee Ward 21, Milwaukee, Wisconsin Age: 70 Estimated birth year: abt 1830 Birthplace: Germany Relationship to head-of-house: Head Spouse's name: Louise Race: White Occupation: View image Immigration year: 1867 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Frederick Wild fist married at 35 emigrated 1867 Germany 70 Louise Wild 66 Fred W Kasten listed as son-in-law 73 Marie Kasten daughter 28 Flora Kasten grand daughter 15 The e on Wild is mixed up with a z from the above name Page 13 if I remember right 1880 United States Federal Census about Fredreck Wilde Name: Fredreck Wilde Home in 1880: Milwaukee, Milwaukee, Wisconsin Age: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1830 Birthplace: Prussia Relation to head-of-household: Self (Head) Spouse's name: Wilhelmina Father's birthplace: Prussia Mother's birthplace: Prussia Neighbors: View others on page Occupation: Tailor Marital Status: Married Race: White Gender: Male HouseholdMembers: Name Age Fredreck Wilde 50 Wilhelmina Wilde 47 Emil Wilde 20 Auguste Wilde 18 John Wilde 16 Anna Wilde 15 Mina Wilde 12 William Wilde 10 Paul Wilde 7 Joseph Polak 21 Wisconsin Marriages, pre-1907 Fred Wilde 31 Jul 1898 Milwaukee Ernstine Arndt 31 Jul 1898 Milwaukee