Hi Randy, Your information is very interesting. I am looking for a David Williams who is from the same area. We don't know his parents' names but it is the same approx time period. Eileen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Williams" <randywilliams@verizon.net> To: <sf@feldhauslaw.com>; <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Julie Williams Dixon" <heyjulie@earthlink.net>; "Randal Williams" <randalwilliams@gmail.com>; "phyllis williams" <williams32001@verizon.net>; "Alan Williams" <jawill@mikrotec.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) > Yes, I would be very interested to see that painting. > > There is some possibility that I may be descended from your Elisha's > sister, > Catherine, born 1760. My family has carried the Williams name since the > 1790's when my ancestor, James Williams was born. But recent yDNA tests > seem to indicate that our direct male line goes back to the Martins and > not > the Williams. We think that Catherine Williams may have had at least two > sons by a Martin man but given them the Williams name. They lived in the > area that is now Scott County, Virginia. And we have both photographic > evidence and oral tradition that says we are of some type of mixed-race > heritage. > > So, if I seem particularly interested in your story, these are the > reasons. > My Dad and I have been trying to unravel this mystery for over ten years > now. > > Thanks, > Randy Williams > Blacksburg, Virginia > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Feldhaus" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> > To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Mr. Lawrence B. Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:00 PM > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) > > >> Randy, >> >> Many thanks for those insights. We do have paintings of at least one of >> Elisha's sons. I could send you a photograpgic copy of that if you are >> interested. >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve Feldhaus >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Randy Williams" <randywilliams@verizon.net> >> >> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:08:35 >> To:<williams-dna@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) >> >> >> Thanks for your reply. Not sure whether you will find this relevant to >> the >> discussion but it may be interesting to note that Elisha's brother, >> Isaac, >> married a Nancy Bunch. She is the daughter of Henry Bunch, b. 1690, and >> listed as a 'mulatto' landowner and slaveholder in NC records. >> >> Also note that the term 'mulatto' had a somewhat different meaning in the >> 1700's. Rather than defining simply a black-white mixture, the term was >> used >> to classify a wide variety of mixed-blood peoples. So the Bunches and >> others >> could easily have been mixed-blood Indians and not Africans. Or some >> combination of both, and/or other admixtures such as Turkish and >> Portuguese. >> The Lumbee and Melungeon groups would seem to fit this description. >> >> Do you have any photographs of your early Williams ancestors from this >> Elisha line? >> >> Thanks, >> Randy Williams >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Feldhaus, Stephen" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> >> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> >> Cc: "Larry Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 5:47 AM >> Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) >> >> >>> Randy, >>> >>> We have had no reason at all to suspect a mixed ancestry. I would note >>> that Elisha Williams sent his oldest son, William Williams, to Harvard, >>> where he graduated in 1798, and to Harvard Law School, where he >>> graduated in 1801. William Williams' Harvard records show that he was a >>> signer of Tennessee's Deed of Secession from the Union. Elisha Williams >>> also send another son, my ancestor, Josiah Frederick Williams, to one of >>> the first classes as the then newly formed University of North Carolina. >>> Josiah Frederick Williams then married a prominent woman in Nashville, >>> and most of their twelve children either were themselves, or were >>> married to, leading citizens of Nashville in the middle of the 19th >>> century. It seems to me that it is unlikely that any of this would >>> have been possible in the South of that time had there been indications >>> of black ancestry. I can only assume that since Elisha Williams' mother >>> was described as a mulatto, and his father was white, he must have been >>> quite light skinned, and that his children were even more so. >>> >>> Steve Feldhaus >>> sf@feldhauslaw.com >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Randy Williams >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:15 PM >>> To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) >>> >>> Stephen and Larry, >>> >>> Also, I was just wondering if you had ever had any reason to suspect >>> that >>> you might have come from mixed ancestry before these recent findings. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Randy Williams >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Feldhaus, Stephen" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> >>> To: <WILLIAMS-DNA@rootsweb.com> >>> Cc: "Larry Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:39 AM >>> Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) >>> >>> >>>>I just received word yesterday that my older brother, Larry Feldhaus, >>>> has uncovered some most interesting and heretofore undiscovered >>>> information about Elisha Williams (born in NC in 1749, died in TN >>> 1811). >>>> If Larry's research is correct, we now know who Elisha Williams' >>> parents >>>> were, as well as who his father's ancestors were. I haven't seen any >>> of >>>> the supporting source documents, or cross checked any of this against >>>> the sources in my files, but Larry is a very careful guy, and I think >>>> there is a high likelihood that he has finally cracked the mystery of >>>> Elisha's parents. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You can see all of Larry's work on his web site, >>>> http://lfeldhaus.tripod.com/holthousefamilygenealogy/id13.html. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/976 - Release Date: >>> 8/27/2007 >>>> 6:20 PM >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/976 - Release Date: >>> 8/27/2007 >>> 6:20 PM >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: >> 8/28/2007 >> 4:29 PM >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message