Two unrelated surnamed males matched my Dad Burton F. Williams(who is a J2Plus haplogroup) 100% on 67 markers. We are, at present, trying to learn more about my Dad's ancestors who possibly went to KY late 1700's-before 1810 from SC.  The SC lead came about because these two non-Williams surnamed male researchers knew that their 1700's ancestors were from SC.  That is helping us narrow down ancestors of my Benjamin Williams bn KY 1810.  So, having these exact match, but, non-Williams surnamed males match our Williams' may turn out to be a very good thing.  I was truly hitting the wall relating to research on my Benjamin Williams. Even with such a rare haplotype, Dad has a dozen different surnamed males matching him.  Of course, some of them are 2, 3, & 4 genetic markers off.  That would indicate generations before surnames were adopted?????? I know the distress, that matching so closely someone with a different surname creates, after watching these two men deal with the news.  But, for me, it made it possible for me to narrow down and, hopefully, eliminate two of three clusters of Williams males in Hopkins Co., KY in the early 1800's.  I have been working on descendants of these Williams of Hopkins Co., KY, namely Burrel, to dna test. Carol Williams Huff ----- Original Message ---- From: Doris E. Williams-Keefer <satinlady@bellsouth.net> To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 10:51:42 AM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] The Vast Confusion of DNA for me Yea mine is listed as R1b1b2, I'm under group 5 on the williams dna site Doris ----- Original Message ----- From: "N & K Chestnut" <nkopportunity@gorge.net> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] The Vast Confusion of DNA for me > To Doris E., >    I bet the Haplogroup is R1b.  If so, there will be lots of company no > matter what the surname is.  If the papertrail could be put together for > all those different surnames back 400, 500 or even 600 years, you may find > them in the same geographic area.  And they may be related, but that mix > (group) of people had no surnames as we know them today. > > Kay C. >  ----- Original Message ----- >  From: Doris E. Williams-Keefer >  To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com >  Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:42 PM >  Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] The Vast Confusion of DNA for me > > >  You all sound very knowledgable and it all just goes over my head. All I >  know is I have >  matched with more HARRIS surnames than Williams though I have a ton of > other >  surnames we've >  matched as well. I have no idea how to even pose any of the right > questions >  to the other matches >  to find out how we might connect. >  Though I understand genealogy and have been doing it since 1980 the dna >  aspect leaves me in the dust. > >  My brother Donald did the dna test for me > >  On the dna for the 12 marker test I have several exact matches including >  surnames of all types >  Miller, Gildea, Knuck, Lancaster, Brown, Blanton, Carney, Lopez, colt, >  Harris, Lay, Lavey, Emerson etc > >  12 marker test Genetic Distance -1 >  All of these are Williams (about 10) > >  On the 25 marker test I have 52 matches >  Genetic Distance -1 there are 2  (Both Harris surnames) >  Genetic Distance -2 there are 50 matches Some of the Surnames are York, >  Blanton, Wooten, Hedges, Brown, Roberts, Pruner, Venters, Wilkins, Lewis, >  Savins, Farren, McFall, Hefner, Allen, Dahn, Duhe, Shular, Tierney, >  Matheson,Wright, Jones, Stone, and one Williams. > >  I really don't get it at all. I mean I can understand some distant > grandma >  messing around with a Harris if that was the case no problem with me... >  but how can anyone match all these surnames? >  Is it for instance because  say a Hefner married into the Williams family >  and so a desc of the Hefner matches partially or ??? > >  Anyone's  help putting this into a little clearer english for me..would > be a >  big help. I realize the dna is not for telling me exactly who my great >  grandfather was etc >  and that it's just a path to follow to prove genealogy work already done > but >  it just seems such a confused mess to me at this point that I haven't >  contacted any of the matches.. I'm not dumb, stupid, or incapable of >  understanding most things but I feel that way every time I try to figure > DNA >  out haha. > >  The earliest Williams I know is George Williams born in 1800 Georgia > married >  Betsy Ann Carroll b. 1803 in Georgia . They married in 1821 in Madison >  County, Alabama. Most of my Williams lived and died around Lincoln > County, >  TN and Madison and Limestone Counties in Alabama. >  George died about 1855 probably in Lincoln County, TN and Elizabeth > "Betsy" >  Carroll Williams died in 1875/1876 Lincoln County, TN. They had 13 > children. >  I wish the DNA was on my Taber side almost. I have it back to the > original >  immigrant ancestor Philip Taber/Tabor b. 1605 then I'd be able to grasp > it >  all a bit easier I guess because I know more of the line. > >  Thanks for reading my vent ...I feel better even if I don't understand > more >  yet. >  Doris E. 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