Adrian let us know I believe as I do remember that, just couldn't afford it right now. We've been waiting for 1 1/2 years for a hearing with social security so we're in limbo with finances right now. Doris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emily" <aulicino@hevanet.com> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] The Vast Confusion of DNA for me > You could have saved in upgrading the last week in June as FTDNA ran a > special. I'm sorry you didn't know about it...all Admins did and I sent > info to all my DNA projects (10 of them now! UGH) You would have saved > 25%. > > E > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doris E. Williams-Keefer" <satinlady@bellsouth.net> > To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 10:50 AM > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] The Vast Confusion of DNA for me > > >> Thanks Emily, >> I could only afford the 25 marker kit so I have not advanced past that >> yet. >> Doris >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Emily" <aulicino@hevanet.com> >> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 12:16 AM >> Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] The Vast Confusion of DNA for me >> >> >>> Doris, >>> >>> If you have a lot of matches with other surnames you may need to upgrade >>> to >>> more markers. Disregard those matches on 12 and 25 markers...especially >>> since we are mostly R1b, the most common haplogroup. Seriously, just >>> ignore >>> matches under 37 markers with different surnames for now. R1b is so >>> common >>> that this happens. I have testers in my projects who match hundreds of >>> people on the 12 and 25. That's not enough markers to be in >>> genealogical >>> time. See the chart below. >>> >>> Here's some tutorial info that can help you learn all this. >>> >>> Tutorial Info >>> Book below can be found for under $10. Some may be in your library. >>> >>> Go to >>> www.familytreedna.com >>> Click on TUTORIALS on the right >>> >>> http://www.worldfamilies.net/ >>> World Families Net - many topics >>> >>> http://www.kerchner.com/dna-info.htm >>> Genetics & Genealogy - An Introduction >>> Genetic Genealogy DNA Testing Dictionary >>> Genetic Genealogy Glossary >>> >>> Wonderful beginners book on Genetic Genealogy: >>> Family History in the Genes by Chris Pomery >>> >>> Also see if you can find in your library or used book store: >>> Trace Your Roots with DNA by Megan Smolenyak and Ann Turner >>> >>> >>> AND...here is why you can ignore surnames on few markers: >>> DNA TMRCA (Time to the Most Recent Common Ancestor) >>> Probability to the Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA) >>> 12 marker Ydna test tells you only about your most ancient >>> ancestry....over >>> 600 yrs ago and before surnames. The Genographic Project uses only the >>> 12 >>> marker for males as they are only interested in tracking the migration >>> pattern of our most ancient ancestors. Their project is an >>> anthropological >>> study; not a genealogical one, but in time their data will help us. >>> >>> 25 marker match gives you a 95% probability of having a common ancestor >>> within the last 600 yrs. >>> 37 marker match gives you a 95% probability of having a common ancestor >>> within the last 300 yrs. >>> 67 marker match gives you a 95% probability of having a common ancestor >>> within the last 150-200 yrs. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Doris E. Williams-Keefer" <satinlady@bellsouth.net> >>> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:42 PM >>> Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] The Vast Confusion of DNA for me >>> >>> >>>> You all sound very knowledgable and it all just goes over my head. All >>>> I >>>> know is I have >>>> matched with more HARRIS surnames than Williams though I have a ton of >>>> other >>>> surnames we've >>>> matched as well. I have no idea how to even pose any of the right >>>> questions >>>> to the other matches >>>> to find out how we might connect. >>>> Though I understand genealogy and have been doing it since 1980 the dna >>>> aspect leaves me in the dust. >>>> >>>> My brother Donald did the dna test for me >>>> >>>> On the dna for the 12 marker test I have several exact matches >>>> including >>>> surnames of all types >>>> Miller, Gildea, Knuck, Lancaster, Brown, Blanton, Carney, Lopez, colt, >>>> Harris, Lay, Lavey, Emerson etc >>>> >>>> 12 marker test Genetic Distance -1 >>>> All of these are Williams (about 10) >>>> >>>> On the 25 marker test I have 52 matches >>>> Genetic Distance -1 there are 2 (Both Harris surnames) >>>> Genetic Distance -2 there are 50 matches Some of the Surnames are York, >>>> Blanton, Wooten, Hedges, Brown, Roberts, Pruner, Venters, Wilkins, >>>> Lewis, >>>> Savins, Farren, McFall, Hefner, Allen, Dahn, Duhe, Shular, Tierney, >>>> Matheson,Wright, Jones, Stone, and one Williams. >>>> >>>> I really don't get it at all. I mean I can understand some distant >>>> grandma >>>> messing around with a Harris if that was the case no problem with me... >>>> but how can anyone match all these surnames? >>>> Is it for instance because say a Hefner married into the Williams >>>> family >>>> and so a desc of the Hefner matches partially or ??? >>>> >>>> Anyone's help putting this into a little clearer english for me..would >>>> be >>>> a >>>> big help. I realize the dna is not for telling me exactly who my great >>>> grandfather was etc >>>> and that it's just a path to follow to prove genealogy work already >>>> done >>>> but >>>> it just seems such a confused mess to me at this point that I haven't >>>> contacted any of the matches.. I'm not dumb, stupid, or incapable of >>>> understanding most things but I feel that way every time I try to >>>> figure >>>> DNA >>>> out haha. >>>> >>>> The earliest Williams I know is George Williams born in 1800 Georgia >>>> married >>>> Betsy Ann Carroll b. 1803 in Georgia . They married in 1821 in Madison >>>> County, Alabama. Most of my Williams lived and died around Lincoln >>>> County, >>>> TN and Madison and Limestone Counties in Alabama. >>>> George died about 1855 probably in Lincoln County, TN and Elizabeth >>>> "Betsy" >>>> Carroll Williams died in 1875/1876 Lincoln County, TN. They had 13 >>>> children. >>>> I wish the DNA was on my Taber side almost. I have it back to the >>>> original >>>> immigrant ancestor Philip Taber/Tabor b. 1605 then I'd be able to grasp >>>> it >>>> all a bit easier I guess because I know more of the line. >>>> >>>> Thanks for reading my vent ...I feel better even if I don't understand >>>> more >>>> yet. >>>> Doris E. 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