I see. Best of luck, I have friends dealing with SS and it's a pain....as are most gov't agencies! Take are, E ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris E. Williams-Keefer" <satinlady@bellsouth.net> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] The Vast Confusion of DNA for me > Adrian let us know I believe as I do remember that, just couldn't afford > it > right now. We've been waiting for 1 1/2 years for a hearing with social > security so we're in limbo with finances right now. > Doris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Emily" <aulicino@hevanet.com> > To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 11:07 AM > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] The Vast Confusion of DNA for me > > >> You could have saved in upgrading the last week in June as FTDNA ran a >> special. I'm sorry you didn't know about it...all Admins did and I sent >> info to all my DNA projects (10 of them now! UGH) You would have saved >> 25%. >> >> E >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Doris E. Williams-Keefer" <satinlady@bellsouth.net> >> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 10:50 AM >> Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] The Vast Confusion of DNA for me >> >> >>> Thanks Emily, >>> I could only afford the 25 marker kit so I have not advanced past that >>> yet. >>> Doris >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Emily" <aulicino@hevanet.com> >>> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 12:16 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] The Vast Confusion of DNA for me >>> >>> >>>> Doris, >>>> >>>> If you have a lot of matches with other surnames you may need to >>>> upgrade >>>> to >>>> more markers. Disregard those matches on 12 and 25 >>>> markers...especially >>>> since we are mostly R1b, the most common haplogroup. Seriously, just >>>> ignore >>>> matches under 37 markers with different surnames for now. R1b is so >>>> common >>>> that this happens. I have testers in my projects who match hundreds of >>>> people on the 12 and 25. That's not enough markers to be in >>>> genealogical >>>> time. See the chart below. >>>> >>>> Here's some tutorial info that can help you learn all this. >>>> >>>> Tutorial Info >>>> Book below can be found for under $10. Some may be in your library. >>>> >>>> Go to >>>> www.familytreedna.com >>>> Click on TUTORIALS on the right >>>> >>>> http://www.worldfamilies.net/ >>>> World Families Net - many topics >>>> >>>> http://www.kerchner.com/dna-info.htm >>>> Genetics & Genealogy - An Introduction >>>> Genetic Genealogy DNA Testing Dictionary >>>> Genetic Genealogy Glossary >>>> >>>> Wonderful beginners book on Genetic Genealogy: >>>> Family History in the Genes by Chris Pomery >>>> >>>> Also see if you can find in your library or used book store: >>>> Trace Your Roots with DNA by Megan Smolenyak and Ann Turner >>>> >>>> >>>> AND...here is why you can ignore surnames on few markers: >>>> DNA TMRCA (Time to the Most Recent Common Ancestor) >>>> Probability to the Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA) >>>> 12 marker Ydna test tells you only about your most ancient >>>> ancestry....over >>>> 600 yrs ago and before surnames. The Genographic Project uses only the >>>> 12 >>>> marker for males as they are only interested in tracking the migration >>>> pattern of our most ancient ancestors. Their project is an >>>> anthropological >>>> study; not a genealogical one, but in time their data will help us. >>>> >>>> 25 marker match gives you a 95% probability of having a common ancestor >>>> within the last 600 yrs. >>>> 37 marker match gives you a 95% probability of having a common ancestor >>>> within the last 300 yrs. >>>> 67 marker match gives you a 95% probability of having a common ancestor >>>> within the last 150-200 yrs. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Doris E. Williams-Keefer" <satinlady@bellsouth.net> >>>> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:42 PM >>>> Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] The Vast Confusion of DNA for me >>>> >>>> >>>>> You all sound very knowledgable and it all just goes over my head. All >>>>> I >>>>> know is I have >>>>> matched with more HARRIS surnames than Williams though I have a ton of >>>>> other >>>>> surnames we've >>>>> matched as well. I have no idea how to even pose any of the right >>>>> questions >>>>> to the other matches >>>>> to find out how we might connect. >>>>> Though I understand genealogy and have been doing it since 1980 the >>>>> dna >>>>> aspect leaves me in the dust. >>>>> >>>>> My brother Donald did the dna test for me >>>>> >>>>> On the dna for the 12 marker test I have several exact matches >>>>> including >>>>> surnames of all types >>>>> Miller, Gildea, Knuck, Lancaster, Brown, Blanton, Carney, Lopez, colt, >>>>> Harris, Lay, Lavey, Emerson etc >>>>> >>>>> 12 marker test Genetic Distance -1 >>>>> All of these are Williams (about 10) >>>>> >>>>> On the 25 marker test I have 52 matches >>>>> Genetic Distance -1 there are 2 (Both Harris surnames) >>>>> Genetic Distance -2 there are 50 matches Some of the Surnames are >>>>> York, >>>>> Blanton, Wooten, Hedges, Brown, Roberts, Pruner, Venters, Wilkins, >>>>> Lewis, >>>>> Savins, Farren, McFall, Hefner, Allen, Dahn, Duhe, Shular, Tierney, >>>>> Matheson,Wright, Jones, Stone, and one Williams. >>>>> >>>>> I really don't get it at all. I mean I can understand some distant >>>>> grandma >>>>> messing around with a Harris if that was the case no problem with >>>>> me... >>>>> but how can anyone match all these surnames? >>>>> Is it for instance because say a Hefner married into the Williams >>>>> family >>>>> and so a desc of the Hefner matches partially or ??? >>>>> >>>>> Anyone's help putting this into a little clearer english for >>>>> me..would >>>>> be >>>>> a >>>>> big help. I realize the dna is not for telling me exactly who my great >>>>> grandfather was etc >>>>> and that it's just a path to follow to prove genealogy work already >>>>> done >>>>> but >>>>> it just seems such a confused mess to me at this point that I haven't >>>>> contacted any of the matches.. I'm not dumb, stupid, or incapable of >>>>> understanding most things but I feel that way every time I try to >>>>> figure >>>>> DNA >>>>> out haha. >>>>> >>>>> The earliest Williams I know is George Williams born in 1800 Georgia >>>>> married >>>>> Betsy Ann Carroll b. 1803 in Georgia . They married in 1821 in Madison >>>>> County, Alabama. Most of my Williams lived and died around Lincoln >>>>> County, >>>>> TN and Madison and Limestone Counties in Alabama. >>>>> George died about 1855 probably in Lincoln County, TN and Elizabeth >>>>> "Betsy" >>>>> Carroll Williams died in 1875/1876 Lincoln County, TN. They had 13 >>>>> children. >>>>> I wish the DNA was on my Taber side almost. I have it back to the >>>>> original >>>>> immigrant ancestor Philip Taber/Tabor b. 1605 then I'd be able to >>>>> grasp >>>>> it >>>>> all a bit easier I guess because I know more of the line. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for reading my vent ...I feel better even if I don't understand >>>>> more >>>>> yet. >>>>> Doris E. 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