You all sound very knowledgable and it all just goes over my head. All I know is I have matched with more HARRIS surnames than Williams though I have a ton of other surnames we've matched as well. I have no idea how to even pose any of the right questions to the other matches to find out how we might connect. Though I understand genealogy and have been doing it since 1980 the dna aspect leaves me in the dust. My brother Donald did the dna test for me On the dna for the 12 marker test I have several exact matches including surnames of all types Miller, Gildea, Knuck, Lancaster, Brown, Blanton, Carney, Lopez, colt, Harris, Lay, Lavey, Emerson etc 12 marker test Genetic Distance -1 All of these are Williams (about 10) On the 25 marker test I have 52 matches Genetic Distance -1 there are 2 (Both Harris surnames) Genetic Distance -2 there are 50 matches Some of the Surnames are York, Blanton, Wooten, Hedges, Brown, Roberts, Pruner, Venters, Wilkins, Lewis, Savins, Farren, McFall, Hefner, Allen, Dahn, Duhe, Shular, Tierney, Matheson,Wright, Jones, Stone, and one Williams. I really don't get it at all. I mean I can understand some distant grandma messing around with a Harris if that was the case no problem with me... but how can anyone match all these surnames? Is it for instance because say a Hefner married into the Williams family and so a desc of the Hefner matches partially or ??? Anyone's help putting this into a little clearer english for me..would be a big help. I realize the dna is not for telling me exactly who my great grandfather was etc and that it's just a path to follow to prove genealogy work already done but it just seems such a confused mess to me at this point that I haven't contacted any of the matches.. I'm not dumb, stupid, or incapable of understanding most things but I feel that way every time I try to figure DNA out haha. The earliest Williams I know is George Williams born in 1800 Georgia married Betsy Ann Carroll b. 1803 in Georgia . They married in 1821 in Madison County, Alabama. Most of my Williams lived and died around Lincoln County, TN and Madison and Limestone Counties in Alabama. George died about 1855 probably in Lincoln County, TN and Elizabeth "Betsy" Carroll Williams died in 1875/1876 Lincoln County, TN. They had 13 children. I wish the DNA was on my Taber side almost. I have it back to the original immigrant ancestor Philip Taber/Tabor b. 1605 then I'd be able to grasp it all a bit easier I guess because I know more of the line. Thanks for reading my vent ...I feel better even if I don't understand more yet. Doris E. Williams-Keefer satinlady@bellsouth.net Ebay ID: Satinlady
Doris, If you have a lot of matches with other surnames you may need to upgrade to more markers. Disregard those matches on 12 and 25 markers...especially since we are mostly R1b, the most common haplogroup. Seriously, just ignore matches under 37 markers with different surnames for now. R1b is so common that this happens. I have testers in my projects who match hundreds of people on the 12 and 25. That's not enough markers to be in genealogical time. See the chart below. Here's some tutorial info that can help you learn all this. Tutorial Info Book below can be found for under $10. Some may be in your library. Go to www.familytreedna.com Click on TUTORIALS on the right http://www.worldfamilies.net/ World Families Net - many topics http://www.kerchner.com/dna-info.htm Genetics & Genealogy - An Introduction Genetic Genealogy DNA Testing Dictionary Genetic Genealogy Glossary Wonderful beginners book on Genetic Genealogy: Family History in the Genes by Chris Pomery Also see if you can find in your library or used book store: Trace Your Roots with DNA by Megan Smolenyak and Ann Turner AND...here is why you can ignore surnames on few markers: DNA TMRCA (Time to the Most Recent Common Ancestor) Probability to the Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA) 12 marker Ydna test tells you only about your most ancient ancestry....over 600 yrs ago and before surnames. The Genographic Project uses only the 12 marker for males as they are only interested in tracking the migration pattern of our most ancient ancestors. Their project is an anthropological study; not a genealogical one, but in time their data will help us. 25 marker match gives you a 95% probability of having a common ancestor within the last 600 yrs. 37 marker match gives you a 95% probability of having a common ancestor within the last 300 yrs. 67 marker match gives you a 95% probability of having a common ancestor within the last 150-200 yrs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris E. Williams-Keefer" <satinlady@bellsouth.net> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:42 PM Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] The Vast Confusion of DNA for me > You all sound very knowledgable and it all just goes over my head. All I > know is I have > matched with more HARRIS surnames than Williams though I have a ton of > other > surnames we've > matched as well. I have no idea how to even pose any of the right > questions > to the other matches > to find out how we might connect. > Though I understand genealogy and have been doing it since 1980 the dna > aspect leaves me in the dust. > > My brother Donald did the dna test for me > > On the dna for the 12 marker test I have several exact matches including > surnames of all types > Miller, Gildea, Knuck, Lancaster, Brown, Blanton, Carney, Lopez, colt, > Harris, Lay, Lavey, Emerson etc > > 12 marker test Genetic Distance -1 > All of these are Williams (about 10) > > On the 25 marker test I have 52 matches > Genetic Distance -1 there are 2 (Both Harris surnames) > Genetic Distance -2 there are 50 matches Some of the Surnames are York, > Blanton, Wooten, Hedges, Brown, Roberts, Pruner, Venters, Wilkins, Lewis, > Savins, Farren, McFall, Hefner, Allen, Dahn, Duhe, Shular, Tierney, > Matheson,Wright, Jones, Stone, and one Williams. > > I really don't get it at all. I mean I can understand some distant grandma > messing around with a Harris if that was the case no problem with me... > but how can anyone match all these surnames? > Is it for instance because say a Hefner married into the Williams family > and so a desc of the Hefner matches partially or ??? > > Anyone's help putting this into a little clearer english for me..would be > a > big help. I realize the dna is not for telling me exactly who my great > grandfather was etc > and that it's just a path to follow to prove genealogy work already done > but > it just seems such a confused mess to me at this point that I haven't > contacted any of the matches.. I'm not dumb, stupid, or incapable of > understanding most things but I feel that way every time I try to figure > DNA > out haha. > > The earliest Williams I know is George Williams born in 1800 Georgia > married > Betsy Ann Carroll b. 1803 in Georgia . They married in 1821 in Madison > County, Alabama. Most of my Williams lived and died around Lincoln County, > TN and Madison and Limestone Counties in Alabama. > George died about 1855 probably in Lincoln County, TN and Elizabeth > "Betsy" > Carroll Williams died in 1875/1876 Lincoln County, TN. They had 13 > children. > I wish the DNA was on my Taber side almost. I have it back to the original > immigrant ancestor Philip Taber/Tabor b. 1605 then I'd be able to grasp it > all a bit easier I guess because I know more of the line. > > Thanks for reading my vent ...I feel better even if I don't understand > more > yet. > Doris E. Williams-Keefer > satinlady@bellsouth.net > Ebay ID: Satinlady > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.8/1547 - Release Date: 7/11/2008 > 6:05 PM > > >
Thanks Emily, I could only afford the 25 marker kit so I have not advanced past that yet. Doris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emily" <aulicino@hevanet.com> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] The Vast Confusion of DNA for me > Doris, > > If you have a lot of matches with other surnames you may need to upgrade > to > more markers. Disregard those matches on 12 and 25 markers...especially > since we are mostly R1b, the most common haplogroup. Seriously, just > ignore > matches under 37 markers with different surnames for now. R1b is so > common > that this happens. I have testers in my projects who match hundreds of > people on the 12 and 25. That's not enough markers to be in genealogical > time. See the chart below. > > Here's some tutorial info that can help you learn all this. > > Tutorial Info > Book below can be found for under $10. Some may be in your library. > > Go to > www.familytreedna.com > Click on TUTORIALS on the right > > http://www.worldfamilies.net/ > World Families Net - many topics > > http://www.kerchner.com/dna-info.htm > Genetics & Genealogy - An Introduction > Genetic Genealogy DNA Testing Dictionary > Genetic Genealogy Glossary > > Wonderful beginners book on Genetic Genealogy: > Family History in the Genes by Chris Pomery > > Also see if you can find in your library or used book store: > Trace Your Roots with DNA by Megan Smolenyak and Ann Turner > > > AND...here is why you can ignore surnames on few markers: > DNA TMRCA (Time to the Most Recent Common Ancestor) > Probability to the Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA) > 12 marker Ydna test tells you only about your most ancient > ancestry....over > 600 yrs ago and before surnames. The Genographic Project uses only the 12 > marker for males as they are only interested in tracking the migration > pattern of our most ancient ancestors. Their project is an > anthropological > study; not a genealogical one, but in time their data will help us. > > 25 marker match gives you a 95% probability of having a common ancestor > within the last 600 yrs. > 37 marker match gives you a 95% probability of having a common ancestor > within the last 300 yrs. > 67 marker match gives you a 95% probability of having a common ancestor > within the last 150-200 yrs. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doris E. Williams-Keefer" <satinlady@bellsouth.net> > To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:42 PM > Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] The Vast Confusion of DNA for me > > >> You all sound very knowledgable and it all just goes over my head. All I >> know is I have >> matched with more HARRIS surnames than Williams though I have a ton of >> other >> surnames we've >> matched as well. I have no idea how to even pose any of the right >> questions >> to the other matches >> to find out how we might connect. >> Though I understand genealogy and have been doing it since 1980 the dna >> aspect leaves me in the dust. >> >> My brother Donald did the dna test for me >> >> On the dna for the 12 marker test I have several exact matches including >> surnames of all types >> Miller, Gildea, Knuck, Lancaster, Brown, Blanton, Carney, Lopez, colt, >> Harris, Lay, Lavey, Emerson etc >> >> 12 marker test Genetic Distance -1 >> All of these are Williams (about 10) >> >> On the 25 marker test I have 52 matches >> Genetic Distance -1 there are 2 (Both Harris surnames) >> Genetic Distance -2 there are 50 matches Some of the Surnames are York, >> Blanton, Wooten, Hedges, Brown, Roberts, Pruner, Venters, Wilkins, Lewis, >> Savins, Farren, McFall, Hefner, Allen, Dahn, Duhe, Shular, Tierney, >> Matheson,Wright, Jones, Stone, and one Williams. >> >> I really don't get it at all. I mean I can understand some distant >> grandma >> messing around with a Harris if that was the case no problem with me... >> but how can anyone match all these surnames? >> Is it for instance because say a Hefner married into the Williams family >> and so a desc of the Hefner matches partially or ??? >> >> Anyone's help putting this into a little clearer english for me..would >> be >> a >> big help. I realize the dna is not for telling me exactly who my great >> grandfather was etc >> and that it's just a path to follow to prove genealogy work already done >> but >> it just seems such a confused mess to me at this point that I haven't >> contacted any of the matches.. I'm not dumb, stupid, or incapable of >> understanding most things but I feel that way every time I try to figure >> DNA >> out haha. >> >> The earliest Williams I know is George Williams born in 1800 Georgia >> married >> Betsy Ann Carroll b. 1803 in Georgia . They married in 1821 in Madison >> County, Alabama. Most of my Williams lived and died around Lincoln >> County, >> TN and Madison and Limestone Counties in Alabama. >> George died about 1855 probably in Lincoln County, TN and Elizabeth >> "Betsy" >> Carroll Williams died in 1875/1876 Lincoln County, TN. They had 13 >> children. >> I wish the DNA was on my Taber side almost. I have it back to the >> original >> immigrant ancestor Philip Taber/Tabor b. 1605 then I'd be able to grasp >> it >> all a bit easier I guess because I know more of the line. >> >> Thanks for reading my vent ...I feel better even if I don't understand >> more >> yet. >> Doris E. Williams-Keefer >> satinlady@bellsouth.net >> Ebay ID: Satinlady >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.8/1547 - Release Date: 7/11/2008 >> 6:05 PM >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
To Doris E., I bet the Haplogroup is R1b. If so, there will be lots of company no matter what the surname is. If the papertrail could be put together for all those different surnames back 400, 500 or even 600 years, you may find them in the same geographic area. And they may be related, but that mix (group) of people had no surnames as we know them today. Kay C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Doris E. Williams-Keefer To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:42 PM Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] The Vast Confusion of DNA for me You all sound very knowledgable and it all just goes over my head. All I know is I have matched with more HARRIS surnames than Williams though I have a ton of other surnames we've matched as well. I have no idea how to even pose any of the right questions to the other matches to find out how we might connect. Though I understand genealogy and have been doing it since 1980 the dna aspect leaves me in the dust. My brother Donald did the dna test for me On the dna for the 12 marker test I have several exact matches including surnames of all types Miller, Gildea, Knuck, Lancaster, Brown, Blanton, Carney, Lopez, colt, Harris, Lay, Lavey, Emerson etc 12 marker test Genetic Distance -1 All of these are Williams (about 10) On the 25 marker test I have 52 matches Genetic Distance -1 there are 2 (Both Harris surnames) Genetic Distance -2 there are 50 matches Some of the Surnames are York, Blanton, Wooten, Hedges, Brown, Roberts, Pruner, Venters, Wilkins, Lewis, Savins, Farren, McFall, Hefner, Allen, Dahn, Duhe, Shular, Tierney, Matheson,Wright, Jones, Stone, and one Williams. I really don't get it at all. I mean I can understand some distant grandma messing around with a Harris if that was the case no problem with me... but how can anyone match all these surnames? Is it for instance because say a Hefner married into the Williams family and so a desc of the Hefner matches partially or ??? Anyone's help putting this into a little clearer english for me..would be a big help. I realize the dna is not for telling me exactly who my great grandfather was etc and that it's just a path to follow to prove genealogy work already done but it just seems such a confused mess to me at this point that I haven't contacted any of the matches.. I'm not dumb, stupid, or incapable of understanding most things but I feel that way every time I try to figure DNA out haha. The earliest Williams I know is George Williams born in 1800 Georgia married Betsy Ann Carroll b. 1803 in Georgia . They married in 1821 in Madison County, Alabama. Most of my Williams lived and died around Lincoln County, TN and Madison and Limestone Counties in Alabama. George died about 1855 probably in Lincoln County, TN and Elizabeth "Betsy" Carroll Williams died in 1875/1876 Lincoln County, TN. They had 13 children. I wish the DNA was on my Taber side almost. I have it back to the original immigrant ancestor Philip Taber/Tabor b. 1605 then I'd be able to grasp it all a bit easier I guess because I know more of the line. Thanks for reading my vent ...I feel better even if I don't understand more yet. Doris E. Williams-Keefer satinlady@bellsouth.net Ebay ID: Satinlady ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Yea mine is listed as R1b1b2, I'm under group 5 on the williams dna site Doris ----- Original Message ----- From: "N & K Chestnut" <nkopportunity@gorge.net> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] The Vast Confusion of DNA for me > To Doris E., > I bet the Haplogroup is R1b. If so, there will be lots of company no > matter what the surname is. If the papertrail could be put together for > all those different surnames back 400, 500 or even 600 years, you may find > them in the same geographic area. And they may be related, but that mix > (group) of people had no surnames as we know them today. > > Kay C. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doris E. Williams-Keefer > To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:42 PM > Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] The Vast Confusion of DNA for me > > > You all sound very knowledgable and it all just goes over my head. All I > know is I have > matched with more HARRIS surnames than Williams though I have a ton of > other > surnames we've > matched as well. I have no idea how to even pose any of the right > questions > to the other matches > to find out how we might connect. > Though I understand genealogy and have been doing it since 1980 the dna > aspect leaves me in the dust. > > My brother Donald did the dna test for me > > On the dna for the 12 marker test I have several exact matches including > surnames of all types > Miller, Gildea, Knuck, Lancaster, Brown, Blanton, Carney, Lopez, colt, > Harris, Lay, Lavey, Emerson etc > > 12 marker test Genetic Distance -1 > All of these are Williams (about 10) > > On the 25 marker test I have 52 matches > Genetic Distance -1 there are 2 (Both Harris surnames) > Genetic Distance -2 there are 50 matches Some of the Surnames are York, > Blanton, Wooten, Hedges, Brown, Roberts, Pruner, Venters, Wilkins, Lewis, > Savins, Farren, McFall, Hefner, Allen, Dahn, Duhe, Shular, Tierney, > Matheson,Wright, Jones, Stone, and one Williams. > > I really don't get it at all. I mean I can understand some distant > grandma > messing around with a Harris if that was the case no problem with me... > but how can anyone match all these surnames? > Is it for instance because say a Hefner married into the Williams family > and so a desc of the Hefner matches partially or ??? > > Anyone's help putting this into a little clearer english for me..would > be a > big help. I realize the dna is not for telling me exactly who my great > grandfather was etc > and that it's just a path to follow to prove genealogy work already done > but > it just seems such a confused mess to me at this point that I haven't > contacted any of the matches.. I'm not dumb, stupid, or incapable of > understanding most things but I feel that way every time I try to figure > DNA > out haha. > > The earliest Williams I know is George Williams born in 1800 Georgia > married > Betsy Ann Carroll b. 1803 in Georgia . They married in 1821 in Madison > County, Alabama. Most of my Williams lived and died around Lincoln > County, > TN and Madison and Limestone Counties in Alabama. > George died about 1855 probably in Lincoln County, TN and Elizabeth > "Betsy" > Carroll Williams died in 1875/1876 Lincoln County, TN. They had 13 > children. > I wish the DNA was on my Taber side almost. I have it back to the > original > immigrant ancestor Philip Taber/Tabor b. 1605 then I'd be able to grasp > it > all a bit easier I guess because I know more of the line. > > Thanks for reading my vent ...I feel better even if I don't understand > more > yet. > Doris E. Williams-Keefer > satinlady@bellsouth.net > Ebay ID: Satinlady > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message