Black Dutch is a term for the Mulatto individuals of the tri-state area. The DNA data leaves no doubt that they were African and not German. ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul williams" <bossman9@gmail.com> To: "Joyce Leo" <joyceleo@wildblue.net>; <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Family Tree DNA - we do genetic testsforyourgenealogy questions! >I remember my father and grandfather talking about there being "black >Dutch" > in our ancestry. I think this was more to do with the Click family (G-GF > Williams married a Click - an Americanization of the German Gluck) than > the > Williams. I don't think black Dutch is necessarily the same thing as > Melungeon (more like German gypsies), but both have come to be sort of > umbrella terms for folks up in the hills who may have someone in their > bloodline who was less than lily-white. I've read that there were both > negro > and Turkish slaves who escaped and hid as far up in the hills as they > could > get and married into Indian tribes. Once they began to breed with whites, > the tendency was to try and marry whiter and whiter to obscure the > non-European ancestry, partially out of fear that their land would be > taken > away if they were designated as mulatto. Columbus not only employed > Turkish > and Moorish sailors, he wrote on his fourth voyage of seeing a strange > people on a ship that reminded him of the Moorish galleys he'd seen in the > Mediterranean. The women were wearing veils. It's not outside of the realm > of possibility that Muslims were here before he was. I thought this > article > was interesting: > http://geocities.com/Paris/5121/melungeon.htm > I do have the "Melungeon bump" on the back of my head... > > > On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Joyce Leo <joyceleo@wildblue.net> wrote: > >> The Cherokee intermarried all the time, and from an early time in >> the history of the meetings of Cherokee maidens and white men who >> came into their territory. Even Nancy Ward, the great and last >> "Beloved Woman" of the Cherokee married a white man, and she was >> no traitor to her people or their "constitution", which by the >> way I don't think they had. Sequoyah introduced the Cherokee >> alphabet to the entire Cherokee tribe in the 1820's and they had >> their first printing press and publications in the late 1820's >> and early 1830's, just as Andrew Jackson was drawing up expulsion >> papers to rid the entire area of all the Indians. The >> intermarriages took place in the 1600's, 1700's, 1800's and still >> are taking place. The descendants of these intermarriages are >> very plentiful today all over the country, "constitution" or no >> constitution. I have plenty of Cherokee blood running in my >> Williams line. >> >> Joyce Williams Leo > > > -- > "All the world's a stooge" > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >