Loraine, Can you give us any more information on your Grandson? His name is Derek WILLIAMS. Is that correct? He was born in 1962. Is that correct? He was born in Mobile, Alabama. Is that correct? Kay Chestnut ----- Original Message ----- From: Loraine Magee To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Williams Melugeons Hello folks, I am new to this list. We are looking for my grandson's grandfather. He is or was John L. Williams and he was 21 yrs. old in 1962. AT that time he was in Mobile Alabama, when he became the father of Derek Williams. He was in the Army. J W is african american and may be Native american also. My grandson cetainly appears to be african/ native american and White.Any help with this line would be appreciated. Loraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boe Williams" <ccshoes@bellsouth.net> To: "ShowMeMule@earthlink.net" <showmemule@earthlink.net>; <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Williams Melugeons > The Union did some very heavy and successful recruiting in Northeast > Arkansas.. > > The Williams surname is found among the Melungeons, the Black Water Creeks > form Northwest Florida, the Brass Ancles from the Edisto River area of SC > and the Lumbees from Robeson Co. NC and adjacent area. All of these people > seem to be related and seem to be tri-racial. DNA shows them with > Turkish, > Shepardic Jew, Portugese, Spanish, American Indian, African and Northern > European ancestry and most anyone else who may have been shipwrecked off > of > the Outer Banks. One theory is that the Lumbees ( Croatans) are also > descended from Raleigh's Lost Colony. > > Boe Williams > > North Georgeia, Tenn, NC, ( Southern Appalachia) did have a lot of > European > and Amrican Indian mixture. There was also some Creek- Whites from > Barbour > and Henry Co Al who remained behind when the Creeks were moved west. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ShowMeMule@earthlink.net" <showmemule@earthlink.net> > To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Williams Melugeons > > >> Regarding Indian-European relations, I do know my ggg grandfather John > Williams, Jr.'s 2nd wife was a Cherokee-Delware Indian ancestry. I can't > say > she was pure blood aboriginal American though. She was a widow, Nancy > Byrams, and they were married abt 1840 in Bedford Co., TN. Family > tradition > says her Indian name was, "Red Oak". Descendents of children from this > 2nd > marriage were reported to have migrated to Oklahoma on were supposed > listed > Cherokee tribal rolls according to elder (now decesased members of my > family). I have never checked into that to confirm it. >> >> I also have seen a photo of a civil war soldier from Arkansas (but born >> in > either Tennessee or North Carolina) that was a Cherokee and his last name > was curiously also John Williams. He looked more Indian than European. > According to the article he was a devote Unionist, which was a bit > surprising. Unfotunately I sent the picture (was printed in back issue of > Civil War Times) to a relative and I cannot locate the issue it was > printed. >> >> --Scott Williams >> Group #12 >> Early Descendants of John Williams, "The Wealthy Welshman" >> of Hanover County, Virginia. Born 1679, Llangollen, Wales. >> http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/williams/ >> >> >Message: 1 >> >Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:57:08 EDT >> >From: Alg22@aol.com >> >Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] query >> >To: WILLIAMS-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >> >Message-ID: <c87.27fafb89.3517ada4@aol.com> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> > >> >so, my fellow williamses, are we melungeons? black and white and red? > i >> >always thought my father looked like a black indian. >> > >> >if true, this comes as no surprise. has dna proven it? williams is > listed >> >as one of the commonly found melungeon names. thoughts? >> > >> > >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7 - Release Date: 3/8/2008 >> 12:00 > AM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello again, Thank you for reponding to my query. I didn't explain myself well. John L Williams was 21 in 1962. His son Derek was born June 14, 1962 in Mobile ,Alabama . Derek is the father of my grandson, Michael. Derek's mother has died, so there is very little known about"johnnie" He was out of Derek's life shortly after the birth. I do know that he did not die in Vietnam, he was in the 101st airborne in the 1960's. No one seems to know where he was born or when. I am hoping for a match to michaels DNA, we asked for 67 markers. Loraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "N & K Chestnut" <nkopportunity@gorge.net> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Loraine MAGEE > Loraine, > Can you give us any more information on your Grandson? > His name is Derek WILLIAMS. Is that correct? > He was born in 1962. Is that correct? > He was born in Mobile, Alabama. Is that correct? > > Kay Chestnut > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Loraine Magee > To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Williams Melugeons > > > Hello folks, I am new to this list. We are looking for my grandson's > grandfather. He is or was John L. Williams and he was 21 yrs. old in > 1962. > AT that time he was in Mobile Alabama, when he became the father of Derek > Williams. He was in the Army. J W is african american and may be > Native > american also. My grandson cetainly appears to be african/ native > american > and White.Any help with this line would be appreciated. Loraine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Boe Williams" <ccshoes@bellsouth.net> > To: "ShowMeMule@earthlink.net" <showmemule@earthlink.net>; > <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:34 AM > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Williams Melugeons > > > > The Union did some very heavy and successful recruiting in Northeast > > Arkansas.. > > > > The Williams surname is found among the Melungeons, the Black Water > Creeks > > form Northwest Florida, the Brass Ancles from the Edisto River area of > SC > > and the Lumbees from Robeson Co. NC and adjacent area. All of these > people > > seem to be related and seem to be tri-racial. DNA shows them with > > Turkish, > > Shepardic Jew, Portugese, Spanish, American Indian, African and > Northern > > European ancestry and most anyone else who may have been shipwrecked > off > > of > > the Outer Banks. One theory is that the Lumbees ( Croatans) are also > > descended from Raleigh's Lost Colony. > > > > Boe Williams > > > > North Georgeia, Tenn, NC, ( Southern Appalachia) did have a lot of > > European > > and Amrican Indian mixture. There was also some Creek- Whites from > > Barbour > > and Henry Co Al who remained behind when the Creeks were moved west. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "ShowMeMule@earthlink.net" <showmemule@earthlink.net> > > To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Williams Melugeons > > > > > >> Regarding Indian-European relations, I do know my ggg grandfather John > > Williams, Jr.'s 2nd wife was a Cherokee-Delware Indian ancestry. I > can't > > say > > she was pure blood aboriginal American though. She was a widow, Nancy > > Byrams, and they were married abt 1840 in Bedford Co., TN. Family > > tradition > > says her Indian name was, "Red Oak". Descendents of children from this > > 2nd > > marriage were reported to have migrated to Oklahoma on were supposed > > listed > > Cherokee tribal rolls according to elder (now decesased members of my > > family). I have never checked into that to confirm it. > >> > >> I also have seen a photo of a civil war soldier from Arkansas (but > born > >> in > > either Tennessee or North Carolina) that was a Cherokee and his last > name > > was curiously also John Williams. He looked more Indian than European. > > According to the article he was a devote Unionist, which was a bit > > surprising. Unfotunately I sent the picture (was printed in back issue > of > > Civil War Times) to a relative and I cannot locate the issue it was > > printed. > >> > >> --Scott Williams > >> Group #12 > >> Early Descendants of John Williams, "The Wealthy Welshman" > >> of Hanover County, Virginia. Born 1679, Llangollen, Wales. > >> http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/williams/ > >> > >> >Message: 1 > >> >Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:57:08 EDT > >> >From: Alg22@aol.com > >> >Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] query > >> >To: WILLIAMS-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > >> >Message-ID: <c87.27fafb89.3517ada4@aol.com> > >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >> > > >> >so, my fellow williamses, are we melungeons? black and white and > red? > > i > >> >always thought my father looked like a black indian. > >> > > >> >if true, this comes as no surprise. has dna proven it? williams is > > listed > >> >as one of the commonly found melungeon names. thoughts? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > >> Checked by AVG. > >> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7 - Release Date: 3/8/2008 > >> 12:00 > > AM > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >