If you look at the Melungeon data in its entirety, the "core" Melungeons are usually African in the male line. The other Melungeon lines such as Mullins usually have a wife who comes from one of the core families. So far none, if any, of the Melungeons lines has an Indian in the male or female line. This seems to be supported by the books and newspapers of the late 1700s to the early 1800s which show that the Indians were not friendly, and the Cherokees in their constitution forbid marriages to other races. ----- Original Message ----- From: "V Williams" <m5x95@sbcglobal.net> To: "Williams DNA" <Williams-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:14 AM Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Family Tree DNA - we do genetic tests for yourgenealogy questions! > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname.aspx > > If you take a look at this site, it has all the DNA results, look at > the "M" for Melungeon We have 1 DNA match for a male by name of Mullins. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The Cherokee intermarried all the time, and from an early time in the history of the meetings of Cherokee maidens and white men who came into their territory. Even Nancy Ward, the great and last "Beloved Woman" of the Cherokee married a white man, and she was no traitor to her people or their "constitution", which by the way I don't think they had. Sequoyah introduced the Cherokee alphabet to the entire Cherokee tribe in the 1820's and they had their first printing press and publications in the late 1820's and early 1830's, just as Andrew Jackson was drawing up expulsion papers to rid the entire area of all the Indians. The intermarriages took place in the 1600's, 1700's, 1800's and still are taking place. The descendants of these intermarriages are very plentiful today all over the country, "constitution" or no constitution. I have plenty of Cherokee blood running in my Williams line. Joyce Williams Leo ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Jones" <drdjones@hughes.net> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com>; "Williams DNA" <Williams-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Family Tree DNA - we do genetic tests foryourgenealogy questions! If you look at the Melungeon data in its entirety, the "core" Melungeons are usually African in the male line. The other Melungeon lines such as Mullins usually have a wife who comes from one of the core families. So far none, if any, of the Melungeons lines has an Indian in the male or female line. This seems to be supported by the books and newspapers of the late 1700s to the early 1800s which show that the Indians were not friendly, and the Cherokees in their constitution forbid marriages to other races. ----- Original Message ----- From: "V Williams" <m5x95@sbcglobal.net> To: "Williams DNA" <Williams-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:14 AM Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Family Tree DNA - we do genetic tests for yourgenealogy questions! > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname.aspx > > If you take a look at this site, it has all the DNA results, > look at > the "M" for Melungeon We have 1 DNA match for a male by name of > Mullins. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I remember my father and grandfather talking about there being "black Dutch" in our ancestry. I think this was more to do with the Click family (G-GF Williams married a Click - an Americanization of the German Gluck) than the Williams. I don't think black Dutch is necessarily the same thing as Melungeon (more like German gypsies), but both have come to be sort of umbrella terms for folks up in the hills who may have someone in their bloodline who was less than lily-white. I've read that there were both negro and Turkish slaves who escaped and hid as far up in the hills as they could get and married into Indian tribes. Once they began to breed with whites, the tendency was to try and marry whiter and whiter to obscure the non-European ancestry, partially out of fear that their land would be taken away if they were designated as mulatto. Columbus not only employed Turkish and Moorish sailors, he wrote on his fourth voyage of seeing a strange people on a ship that reminded him of the Moorish galleys he'd seen in the Mediterranean. The women were wearing veils. It's not outside of the realm of possibility that Muslims were here before he was. I thought this article was interesting: http://geocities.com/Paris/5121/melungeon.htm I do have the "Melungeon bump" on the back of my head... On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Joyce Leo <joyceleo@wildblue.net> wrote: > The Cherokee intermarried all the time, and from an early time in > the history of the meetings of Cherokee maidens and white men who > came into their territory. Even Nancy Ward, the great and last > "Beloved Woman" of the Cherokee married a white man, and she was > no traitor to her people or their "constitution", which by the > way I don't think they had. Sequoyah introduced the Cherokee > alphabet to the entire Cherokee tribe in the 1820's and they had > their first printing press and publications in the late 1820's > and early 1830's, just as Andrew Jackson was drawing up expulsion > papers to rid the entire area of all the Indians. The > intermarriages took place in the 1600's, 1700's, 1800's and still > are taking place. The descendants of these intermarriages are > very plentiful today all over the country, "constitution" or no > constitution. I have plenty of Cherokee blood running in my > Williams line. > > Joyce Williams Leo -- "All the world's a stooge"

That is the fantasy. The Cherokee rarely intermarried with whites and almost never with Africans. The history writings of the time refute anything else There is no doubt that white men occasionally married Cherokee women--not official marriage since it was illegal--but not very many did. The records of the Tennessee Supreme Court attest to that fact.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Leo" <joyceleo@wildblue.net> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Family Tree DNA - we do genetic testsforyourgenealogy questions! > The Cherokee intermarried all the time, and from an early time in > the history of the meetings of Cherokee maidens and white men who > came into their territory. Even Nancy Ward, the great and last > "Beloved Woman" of the Cherokee married a white man, and she was > no traitor to her people or their "constitution", which by the > way I don't think they had. Sequoyah introduced the Cherokee > alphabet to the entire Cherokee tribe in the 1820's and they had > their first printing press and publications in the late 1820's > and early 1830's, just as Andrew Jackson was drawing up expulsion > papers to rid the entire area of all the Indians. The > intermarriages took place in the 1600's, 1700's, 1800's and still > are taking place. The descendants of these intermarriages are > very plentiful today all over the country, "constitution" or no > constitution. I have plenty of Cherokee blood running in my > Williams line. > > Joyce Williams Leo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Jones" <drdjones@hughes.net> > To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com>; "Williams DNA" > <Williams-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:32 AM > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Family Tree DNA - we do genetic tests > foryourgenealogy questions! > > > If you look at the Melungeon data in its entirety, the "core" > Melungeons are > usually African in the male line. The other Melungeon lines such > as Mullins > usually have a wife who comes from one of the core families. So > far none, > if any, of the Melungeons lines has an Indian in the male or > female line. > This seems to be supported by the books and newspapers of the > late 1700s to > the early 1800s which show that the Indians were not friendly, > and the > Cherokees in their constitution forbid marriages to other races. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "V Williams" <m5x95@sbcglobal.net> > To: "Williams DNA" <Williams-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:14 AM > Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Family Tree DNA - we do genetic tests for > yourgenealogy questions! > > >> http://www.familytreedna.com/surname.aspx >> >> If you take a look at this site, it has all the DNA results, >> look at >> the "M" for Melungeon We have 1 DNA match for a male by name of >> Mullins. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >