The following new message has been added to the Williams Genealogy Forums, on the Williams DNA Project board under the existing topic of Re: Internet Explorer Problem (IE7)... -------------------------------- I also installed IE7 on one of my computers, and I have noticed some minor display issues on certain websites, such as Ancestry. However, the pages were still readable. You asked about the Tabs feature, and it does work. The Tabs seem to be about the same as opening a new window in IE6. One thing I don't like about IE7 is that the Edit menu, etc. are gone. Instead these features are shown as icons on the right side of the window. Since we learn to read left to right, my initial instinct is to look to the left of the window for these features. I prefer IE6 simply because I am accustomed to it but am giving IE7 a trial run.

The following new message has been added to the Williams Genealogy Forums, on the Williams DNA Project board under the existing topic of Re: Internet Explorer Problem (IE7)... -------------------------------- Hi there! Actually the only thing that is really messed up in IE7 are the results tables, for both the matched and no match groups. These tables are made up of a complex chunk of CSS code. Earlier versions of IE are known to not handle CSS very well and for years, programmers have been forced to write "workarounds" so that CSS would work correctly in IE browsers. Well, Microsoft, in IE7, has fixed some of these errors....which now negate some of the workarounds....which means that now we have to add even more code just to handle IE7 compatibility. And, I just simply haven't had the time yet to address the problem. All of the other pages should work normally in IE7 (including tabbed pages) but I haven't checked...personally, I uninstalled IE7 and went back to IE6 because I was happier with it. In the end, my primary browser is Firefox. - Adrian

The following new message has been added to the Williams Genealogy board under the new topic of Governor Benjamin Williams (1799) Governor of North Carolina ... -------------------------------- Has anyone tested from GOVERNOR Benjamin WILLIAMS line? IF so which group does his descendants belong? Thanks.

The following new message has been added to the Williams Genealogy Forums, on the Williams DNA Project board under the existing topic of Re: Internet Explorer Problem (IE7)... -------------------------------- Hello- I am in the process of upgrading to sp2 because I want to install 7... What types of problems are you having? Does the tab feature to open multiple pages worK?

The following new message has been added to the General Chit-Chat board under the new topic of Another Newbie... -------------------------------- Hello Everyone, I stumbled onto your Site quite by accident but I'm really happy I did. Of course my reason for being here is because I am a Williams. I'll surf around the Site and see where what is before I start posting all about my branch. For now, I descend down from Shedrick Williams (wife Medica) via Greenup County, Kentucky.

The following new message has been added to the Williams DNA Project board under the new topic of Internet Explorer Problem (IE7)... -------------------------------- :'( All: I have just installed Microsoft Internet Exploer version 7 and Microsoft, in their "wisdom" has changed a function that allowed the DNA results page to display properly. Adrian is fully aware of this problem and will address it. In the meantime I recommend that you DO NOT install IE7, even though Microsof sends you messages that you should. Adrian will let us know when the function will work. By the way IE7 did not bring me any great improvements.  This same word of caution should apply to Vista as well. Rea

Thanks so much for the update on the news, Adrian! Congratulations on your new software; that's terrific for you, and sure to help many others! The news on the DNA front was exciting to read about. We've made such progress in the last few years in the DNA world, but it's obvious that much more is coming down the pike, and I find that exciting! As one of those Williams whose 'matches' on FTDNA include almost exclusively different surnames, I'm interested in seeing refinements to the process. While I fully realize that the DNA 'match' is only the beginning and must be followed up with paperwork and genealogy research, I'm looking forward to a time when there is less ambiguity to it all. Yes, I know, I want it to be easy.....as a Williams it's been a hard row to hoe! lol! Connie Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: wwwuser@yourhostingaccount.com<mailto:wwwuser@yourhostingaccount.com> To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com<mailto:williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 9:35 PM Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] New Topic Posted in the Williams Genealogy Forums! The following new message has been added to the Williams DNA Project board under the new topic of Latest News From Adrian - Lots Going On - Conference Details... -------------------------------- Y'all, Hello there! Remember me?! I know that I have been pretty quiet lately and that it seems like I have disappeared from the project. Well, that isn't the case! I have had a mountain of things going on over the last few weeks that have simply kept me swamped. So, I figured I would take a few minutes to cover all of the things that have been going on. If you have been following the project closely, you'll notice that we are now up to 340 participant....and still growing. And, although I haven't been announcing the changes, we continue to receive a number of results nearly weekly. Thanks to the project admin tool that I have written, I am able to make the changes immediately to the website and you should be able to see those results! For those of you who weren't aware, the 3rd Conference on Genetic Genealogy was last weekend and it was a truly exciting time for me. I was able to meet a couple of our project regulars like Emily Alucino and Mary Souder. At the conference, I gave two different well-received presentations to my fellow administrators and at the same time came home with a number of pieces of information. There are two major chunks of information that I need to pass along. The first is fairly easy.....from now on, whenever the lab cannot clearly determine someone's haplogroup based on their 12-marker test numbers, then FTDNA will automatically perform a SNP test to confirm the haplo. The question was asked about going back and doing SNP tests on prior participants they couldn't initially determine, and replied that they don't know yet. The second chunk of information is much more complex and very difficult to explain, yet it affects probably 60-70% of all participants. The scientific name of the issue is Recombinational Loss of Heterozygosity (recLOH for short). I am working on putting together a layman's terms explanation of this and will post it soon. In a nutshell, all of the multiple markers (those with letters such as 385a&b, 459a&b, 464a,b,c,d,etc) are impacted by this. This markers are called Palindromic markers. What happens is the in the course of our evolution and ancestry, every now and then, the body sends out a protein (enzyme?) that "repairs" these multi-markers. Again, this is a tough thing to explain. If you are interested, take a look at the results page and look at my group (Group 7). If you'll notice, at 385a&b, I have an 11-11 while everyone else in the group has an 11-14. For the last few years, we have thought that this represented a 3-step mismatch between myself and the rest of the group. Well, thanks to the latest scientific information, we now know that this marker set has been "repaired". Our ancestor originally had the 11-14 setup but at some point in my lineage only, the DNA was repaired and the mutations were removed...cleaning up the marker and changing it to an 11-11, but in just one step. So, instead of this being a 3-step mismatch...it is only 1. Now, apply this same concept to the rest of the lettered markers. And, it actually gets even more messy. mismatches due to recLOH on the 459 and CDY markers are now counted together. This completely changes the dynamic of how mismatches are calculated on these markers. What does this mean for you? Well, I have now have to go back and review all of the matching and non-matching information to see if this new information creates more matches. Specifically, we can very possibly expect to see some of the folks in the non-match groups, now actually match because I have to count the mismatches differently now. I will post more clear information about this later....again, it is a difficult item to explain in a posting! Another great thing with the conference was the chance for a group of us to get together to have dinner. Hughes Williams, Robert J. Williams (no match) and grandsons Alex and Robert (I believe?), Robert Williams and son Robert (Group 51), Bill and Stephanie Williams (Group 2) and myself met up at the Cheesecake factory for a very nice evening (I think I got everyone's names right!?!?). And, Robert J. actually flew down from Amarillo just for the meeting! I was truly honored that everyone would make the effort just to get together! Thanks!!! You will notice a new row for each group in the matched groups table called Modal Haplotype. This is basically, the most likely DNA pattern which that group's ancestor most probably had. In other words, this is the ancestral result set. It is determined from the most common numbers for each DYS value. And, keep in mind that it is group specific...so each group will have a different Modal since they each descend from a different ancestor. I will be making some time over the next couple of weeks to get these Haplotypes put in. I think once you see them, it will make more sense. And, there is some big news on my own homefront. One of the biggest reasons I haven't been very active lately is because I have been working hard on some brand new genetic genealogy software. It is literally a project management toolkit for DNA project administrators. We admins do not have any software to help us keep track of the ever growing amount of project related information and so I decided to write one. I unveiled it at the conference and it has been getting rave reviews. I have a self-imposed deadline of the end of the year to have version 1 finished and ready for sale, and in order for me to hit that, I have to keep my head buried in the program code. So far, it hasn't interfered with my Williams admin duties but I am constantly keeping that in mind. Hopefully, once I get the software released, I can get more active in the project again. I actually have even more stuff to talk about, but I will save that for later...this posting has grown much larger than I thought it would!! And, I have gotten the really important items out (I think!). Until later, Adrian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Adrian: Thank you again for all your hard work. You are unbelieveable - everything you can do and do! I would have loved to have been in Houston, but was not able to. The new information maybe will show connections to those that we just knew must fit somehow, but couldn't find the link. Maybe not, but it is exciting. Thank you again for everything you do! Tina Williams Swyers Independence, Kansas ----- Original Message ----- From: <wwwuser@yourhostingaccount.com> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] New Topic Posted in the Williams Genealogy Forums! > The following new message has been added to the Williams DNA Project board > under the new topic of Latest News From Adrian - Lots Going On - > Conference Details... > > > -------------------------------- > > Y'all, > > Hello there! Remember me?! I know that I have been pretty quiet > lately and that it seems like I have disappeared from the project. > Well, that isn't the case! I have had a mountain of things going on > over the last few weeks that have simply kept me swamped. So, I > figured I would take a few minutes to cover all of the things that > have been going on. > > If you have been following the project closely, you'll notice that > we are now up to 340 participant....and still growing. And, although > I haven't been announcing the changes, we continue to receive a > number of results nearly weekly. Thanks to the project admin tool > that I have written, I am able to make the changes immediately to the > website and you should be able to see those results! > > For those of you who weren't aware, the 3rd Conference on Genetic > Genealogy was last weekend and it was a truly exciting time for me. I > was able to meet a couple of our project regulars like Emily Alucino > and Mary Souder. At the conference, I gave two different > well-received presentations to my fellow administrators and at the > same time came home with a number of pieces of information. There > are two major chunks of information that I need to pass along. > > The first is fairly easy.....from now on, whenever the lab cannot > clearly determine someone's haplogroup based on their 12-marker test > numbers, then FTDNA will automatically perform a SNP test to confirm > the haplo. The question was asked about going back and doing SNP > tests on prior participants they couldn't initially determine, and > replied that they don't know yet. > > The second chunk of information is much more complex and very > difficult to explain, yet it affects probably 60-70% of all > participants. The scientific name of the issue is Recombinational > Loss of Heterozygosity (recLOH for short). I am working on putting > together a layman's terms explanation of this and will post it soon. > In a nutshell, all of the multiple markers (those with letters such as > 385a&b, 459a&b, 464a,b,c,d,etc) are impacted by this. This markers > are called Palindromic markers. What happens is the in the course of > our evolution and ancestry, every now and then, the body sends out a > protein (enzyme?) that "repairs" these multi-markers. Again, this is > a tough thing to explain. If you are interested, take a look at the > results page and look at my group (Group 7). If you'll notice, at > 385a&b, I have an 11-11 while everyone else in the group has an > 11-14. For the last few years, we have thought that this represented > a 3-step mismatch between myself and the rest of the group. > > Well, thanks to the latest scientific information, we now know > that this marker set has been "repaired". Our ancestor originally > had the 11-14 setup but at some point in my lineage only, the DNA was > repaired and the mutations were removed...cleaning up the marker and > changing it to an 11-11, but in just one step. So, instead of this > being a 3-step mismatch...it is only 1. > > Now, apply this same concept to the rest of the lettered markers. > And, it actually gets even more messy. mismatches due to recLOH on > the 459 and CDY markers are now counted together. This completely > changes the dynamic of how mismatches are calculated on these > markers. > > What does this mean for you? Well, I have now have to go back > and review all of the matching and non-matching information to see if > this new information creates more matches. Specifically, we can very > possibly expect to see some of the folks in the non-match groups, now > actually match because I have to count the mismatches differently now. > > > I will post more clear information about this later....again, it > is a difficult item to explain in a posting! > > Another great thing with the conference was the chance for a group > of us to get together to have dinner. Hughes Williams, Robert J. > Williams (no match) and grandsons Alex and Robert (I believe?), > Robert Williams and son Robert (Group 51), Bill and Stephanie > Williams (Group 2) and myself met up at the Cheesecake factory for a > very nice evening (I think I got everyone's names right!?!?). And, > Robert J. actually flew down from Amarillo just for the meeting! I > was truly honored that everyone would make the effort just to get > together! Thanks!!! > > You will notice a new row for each group in the matched groups > table called Modal Haplotype. This is basically, the most likely DNA > pattern which that group's ancestor most probably had. In other > words, this is the ancestral result set. It is determined from the > most common numbers for each DYS value. And, keep in mind that it is > group specific...so each group will have a different Modal since they > each descend from a different ancestor. I will be making some time > over the next couple of weeks to get these Haplotypes put in. I think > once you see them, it will make more sense. > > And, there is some big news on my own homefront. One of the > biggest reasons I haven't been very active lately is because I have > been working hard on some brand new genetic genealogy software. It > is literally a project management toolkit for DNA project > administrators. We admins do not have any software to help us keep > track of the ever growing amount of project related information and > so I decided to write one. I unveiled it at the conference and it > has been getting rave reviews. I have a self-imposed deadline of the > end of the year to have version 1 finished and ready for sale, and in > order for me to hit that, I have to keep my head buried in the > program code. So far, it hasn't interfered with my Williams admin > duties but I am constantly keeping that in mind. Hopefully, once I > get the software released, I can get more active in the project > again. > > I actually have even more stuff to talk about, but I will save > that for later...this posting has grown much larger than I thought it > would!! And, I have gotten the really important items out (I think!). > > > Until later, > Adrian > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The following new message has been added to the Williams Genealogy board under the new topic of Check out #43 on the DNA Boards... -------------------------------- I am asking folks to please check out the Williams LINEAGE of Group # 43 Ms. Ima Mewborn and Charles Lucas and others have contributed information to this line. If you can add or subtract any vital information concerning this particuliar line please contact me at tredio2000@yahoo.com Thank you, Gayle In addition, if anyone has tested for GOVERNOR Benjamin Williams line (1799) Governor of North Carolina please contact me.

The following new message has been added to the Williams Genealogy Forums, on the DNA Project - Group Boards board under the existing topic of Re: Group #43... -------------------------------- If anyone recognizes any of these WILLIAMS and can add or subtract from this lineage please contact me at Tredio2000@yahoo.com Ms. Ima Mewborn, Charles Lucas, and others have helped with this lineage and we are hoping to either prove or disprove this lineage for my JAMES CICERO WILLIAMS s/o NANCY ANN OUTLAW. Thank you. Gayle Descendants of Walter + Williams 1 Walter + Williams 1575 - 1625 . +Dorothea (LNU) . 2 George + Williams, 1 1618 - 1671 .... +(FNU) + Boucher .... 3 George + Williams, 11 1657 - 1748 ....... +Sarah (LNU) ....... 4 Robert + Williams, SR. 1710 - .......... +Anne + Scott 1710 - 1759 .......... 5 George + Williams - 1816 ............. +Tabitha + (LNU) - 1816 .......... 5 Margaret + Williams 1740 - 1802 ............. +Benjamin + Best 1739 - 1804 ............. 6 Benjamin + Best, JR. ................ +Mary + Hardy ................ 7 Nancy + Best ................... +Thomas + Wooten, SR. ................ 7 Henry + Best ................... +Winifred + Hardy ................ 7 Patience + Best ................... +James + Mooring .......... 5 Mourning + Williams ............. +John Baptist + Sheppard .......... 5 Robert + Williams, JR. 1745 - 1819 ............. +Mary + Harper 1750 - ............. 6 Margaret "Peggy" + Williams - 1857 ............. 6 Mary "Polly" + Williams ................ +John + Cooper ................ 7 Betsy Bright + Cooper ................... +Shearwood C. + Lindsey ................ 7 Blaney Harper + Cooper ................ 7 James Clark + Cooper ................ 7 John Averitt + Cooper ................... +Martha + Burdeau ................ 7 Richard Franklin + Cooper ................ 7 William + Cooper ................... +Frances + Hodges ................ *2nd Wife of William + Cooper: ................... +Ann Isler + Simmons ................ 7 George + Cooper 1803 - ................ 7 Robert + Cooper 1803 - ................ 7 Charles Hooks + Cooper 1809 - ................... +Hannah + Hurst ................ 7 Mary Aliff + Cooper 1823 - 1893 ................... +Joseph Pearson + Smith 1815 - 1862 ............. 6 Tabitha + Williams ............. 6 Francis + Williams 1776 - 1868 ................ +Nancy + Chambers ................ 7 Mary Jane Williams 1820 - ................ 7 Margaret E. Williams 1822 - ................ 7 Sarah A. Williams 1824 - ................ 7 Emily Williams 1826 - ................ 7 Parmelia Williams 1828 - ................ 7 Rosa Williams 1830 - ................ 7 Francis Williams 1842 - ............. 6 Sarah + Williams 1780 - 1843 ................ +Jesse R. + Pridgen 1777 - 1823 ................ 7 Samuel R. + Pridgen 1800 - 1869 ................... +Eliza + Bruton 1804 - 1844 ................ 7 Robert G. + Pridgen 1801 - 1869 ................... +Eleanor + Bruton 1807 - 1892 ................ 7 Polly G. + Pridgen 1804 - ................... +(FNU) + Bruton ................ 7 Peggy M. + Pridgen 1806 - ................ 7 Thomas Washington + Pridgen 1808 - ................... +Eliza + Suggs 1814 - 1831 ................ 7 Francis B. + Pridgen 1810 - ................ 7 Edwin G. + Pridgen 1813 - 1892 ................... +Lucinda A. + Tyson - 1847 ................ *2nd Wife of Edwin G. + Pridgen: ................... +Emily + Joyner 1826 - 1876 ................ 7 Martha R. + Pridgen 1817 - 1820 ................ 7 Olive W. + Pridgen 1815 - ................ 7 Blaney W. + Pridgen 1820 - 1864 ................... +Elizabeth H. Cunninggin ............. 6 Blaney + Williams 1787 - 1852 ................ +(FNU) (LNU) 1790 - 1830 ................ 7 Blaney-Blanie Williams 1821 - 1877 ................... +Frances Ann "Fannie" Kornegay 1829 - 1896 ................ *2nd Wife of Blaney-Blanie Williams: ................... +Mary Catherine Houston 1825 - ............. *2nd Wife of Blaney + Williams: ................ +Mary Jane + Draughon 1801 - 1857 ................ 7 Martha Rebecca + Williams 1833 - 1917 ................... +CAPTAIN Owen John Holmes ................ 7 George T. + Williams 1836 - 1933 ................... +Sarah Jane + Williams 1841 - 1907 ................ 7 Walter Blaney + Williams 1839 - 1879 ................... +(UNMARRIED) ................ 7 Garry F. + Williams 1840 - 1879 ................... +Lilly + Draughon 1852 - 1912 ................ 7 John Culbreth + Williams 1842 - 1870 ................ 7 Mary Jane + Williams 1846 - 1900 ................... +(UNMARRIED) ............. 6 Patience + Williams 1790 - ................ +Hogan + Hunter ............. 6 Rosa + Williams 1798 - 1848 ................ +George + Cooper 1799 - 1848 ................ 7 Benjamin Robert + Cooper, SR. 1830 - 1895 ................... +Mary Jane + Bardin 1834 - ................ 7 Mary Elizabeth + Cooper 1832 - 1849 ................... +William Bryant + Middleton ................ 7 May I. + Cooper 1834 - ................ 7 George H. + Cooper 1835 - 1864 ................ 7 Margaret Rosa Cooper 1837 - ................... +Henry Hollowell + Hodges 1824 - ................ 7 Priscilla Ann + Cooper 1841 - 1911 ................... +John David + Southerland 1833 - 1899 ............. 6 [10] William Harper + Williams 1799 - 1890 ................ +[1] Martha "Patsy" + Williams 1820 - ................ 7 [15] Caroline + Williams 1832 - ................... +[16] (FNU) Schweikert ................ 7 [17] Harriet Caroline "Hattie" + Williams 1832 - ................... +[18] William Alexander + Faison ................ 7 [19] John + Williams ................... +[20] (FNU) Craft ................ 7 [21] Joseph + Williams 1832 - 1881 ................... +[22] Anna Daniels - 1879 ................ *2nd Wife of [21] Joseph + Williams: ................... +[23] (FNU) Dealy ................ 7 [24] Richard + Williams ................... +[25] (FNU) Best ............. *2nd Wife of [10] William Harper + Williams: ................ +[9] Eliza + Williams 1795 - ................ 7 [11] Albert Franklin + Williams, SR. 1842 - 1926 ................ 7 [12] James + Williams ................ 7 [13] William Harper + Williams, JR. ................ 7 [14] Joseph Williams ............. 6 Robert + Williams, 111 1801 - ................ +(FNU) Hill-Blackmore ................ 7 James Cicero + Williams 1835 - ............. 6 [3] James + Williams 1804 - 1856 ................ +[2] Fedora + "Feddy" Williams - 1841 ................ 7 [4] Joseph Williams 1833 - ................ 7 [5] Emma Fedora "Adora" + Williams 1841 - ................... +[6] Dr. John D. Spicer 1840 - ................ 7 [7] Martha Eliza Williams 1843 - ................... +[8] Henry Lee ............. *2nd Wife of [3] James + Williams: ................ +[1] Martha "Patsy" + Williams 1820 - ............. 6 Branch + Williams 1819 - ................ +Tierney "Tessie" + Bruton 1800 - ................ 7 Albert + Williams ................ 7 Anne Elizabeth + Williams 1833 - 1922 ................... +Joseph + Hatch 1821 - .......... 5 Joseph + Williams 1755 - 1836 ............. +Margaret Avey + Murphy 1770 - 1866 ............. 6 [2] Fedora + "Feddy" Williams - 1841 ................ +[3] James + Williams 1804 - 1856 ................ 7 [4] Joseph Williams 1833 - ................ 7 [5] Emma Fedora "Adora" + Williams 1841 - ................... +[6] Dr. John D. Spicer 1840 - ................ 7 [7] Martha Eliza Williams 1843 - ................... +[8] Henry Lee ............. 6 Mary Jane + Williams ................ +Dr. Elias Joyner + Blount ............. 6 [9] Eliza + Williams 1795 - ................ +[10] William Harper + Williams 1799 - 1890 ................ 7 [11] Albert Franklin + Williams, SR. 1842 - 1926 ................ 7 [12] James + Williams ................ 7 [13] William Harper + Williams, JR. ................ 7 [14] Joseph Williams ............. 6 James Gatlin + Williams 1805 - 1857 ................ +Elizabeth Josephine + Darden ................ 7 Joseph J. Williams 1837 - ................ 7 Mary Jane Williams 1839 - ................ 7 William Henry Williams 1840 - ................ 7 Eliza Ann Williams 1843 - ................ 7 Emily Williams 1845 - ................ 7 Susan V. Williams 1846 - ................ 7 Cora Williams 1848 - ................ 7 Victoria Williams 1850 - ............. 6 [1] Martha "Patsy" + Williams 1820 - ................ +[10] William Harper + Williams 1799 - 1890 ................ 7 [15] Caroline + Williams 1832 - ................... +[16] (FNU) Schweikert ................ 7 [17] Harriet Caroline "Hattie" + Williams 1832 - ................... +[18] William Alexander + Faison ................ 7 [19] John + Williams ................... +[20] (FNU) Craft ................ 7 [21] Joseph + Williams 1832 - 1881 ................... +[22] Anna Daniels - 1879 ................ *2nd Wife of [21] Joseph + Williams: ................... +[23] (FNU) Dealy ................ 7 [24] Richard + Williams ................... +[25] (FNU) Best ............. *2nd Husband of [1] Martha "Patsy" + Williams: ................ +[3] James + Williams 1804 - 1856 ............. 6 Dr. Benjamin Franklin + Williams 1820 - 1892 ................ +Sarah Frances + Hicks ................ 7 Virginia Williams ................ 7 Henry Clay Williams ................ 7 Harriet Williams ................ 7 Joseph Samuel Williams ................ 7 Benjamin Hicks Williams ................ 7 Mattie Williams ................ 7 William Parmelee Williams ............. 6 Henry + Williams 1836 - ................ +Philadelphia + Hazelton ....... *2nd Wife of Robert + Williams, SR.: .......... +Sarah (LNU) .......... 5 (FNU) Williams ....... 4 George + Williams, 111 1722 - ....... 4 Samuel + Williams 1722 - ....... 4 Jacob + Williams 1722 - 1810 .......... +Hannah + Staples .......... 5 Jacob + Williams 1765 - 1826 ............. +Margaret + Ayers ............. 6 William G. + Williams 1806 - 1882 ................ +Hannah S. + Dennis ................ 7 Caleb Clifton + Williams 1834 - 1880 ................... +Amanda Fitzgerald Reed ....... 4 William + Williams 1722 - ....... 4 Sarah + Williams 1722 - ....... 4 Ann + Williams 1722 - ....... 4 Mildred + Williams 1722 - .... 3 William + Williams 1657 - 1700 .... 3 Elizabeth + Williams ....... +Richard + Reynolds, JR.

The following new message has been added to the Williams DNA Project board under the new topic of Latest News From Adrian - Lots Going On - Conference Details... -------------------------------- Y'all, Hello there! Remember me?! I know that I have been pretty quiet lately and that it seems like I have disappeared from the project. Well, that isn't the case! I have had a mountain of things going on over the last few weeks that have simply kept me swamped. So, I figured I would take a few minutes to cover all of the things that have been going on. If you have been following the project closely, you'll notice that we are now up to 340 participant....and still growing. And, although I haven't been announcing the changes, we continue to receive a number of results nearly weekly. Thanks to the project admin tool that I have written, I am able to make the changes immediately to the website and you should be able to see those results! For those of you who weren't aware, the 3rd Conference on Genetic Genealogy was last weekend and it was a truly exciting time for me. I was able to meet a couple of our project regulars like Emily Alucino and Mary Souder. At the conference, I gave two different well-received presentations to my fellow administrators and at the same time came home with a number of pieces of information. There are two major chunks of information that I need to pass along. The first is fairly easy.....from now on, whenever the lab cannot clearly determine someone's haplogroup based on their 12-marker test numbers, then FTDNA will automatically perform a SNP test to confirm the haplo. The question was asked about going back and doing SNP tests on prior participants they couldn't initially determine, and replied that they don't know yet. The second chunk of information is much more complex and very difficult to explain, yet it affects probably 60-70% of all participants. The scientific name of the issue is Recombinational Loss of Heterozygosity (recLOH for short). I am working on putting together a layman's terms explanation of this and will post it soon. In a nutshell, all of the multiple markers (those with letters such as 385a&b, 459a&b, 464a,b,c,d,etc) are impacted by this. This markers are called Palindromic markers. What happens is the in the course of our evolution and ancestry, every now and then, the body sends out a protein (enzyme?) that "repairs" these multi-markers. Again, this is a tough thing to explain. If you are interested, take a look at the results page and look at my group (Group 7). If you'll notice, at 385a&b, I have an 11-11 while everyone else in the group has an 11-14. For the last few years, we have thought that this represented a 3-step mismatch between myself and the rest of the group. Well, thanks to the latest scientific information, we now know that this marker set has been "repaired". Our ancestor originally had the 11-14 setup but at some point in my lineage only, the DNA was repaired and the mutations were removed...cleaning up the marker and changing it to an 11-11, but in just one step. So, instead of this being a 3-step mismatch...it is only 1. Now, apply this same concept to the rest of the lettered markers. And, it actually gets even more messy. mismatches due to recLOH on the 459 and CDY markers are now counted together. This completely changes the dynamic of how mismatches are calculated on these markers. What does this mean for you? Well, I have now have to go back and review all of the matching and non-matching information to see if this new information creates more matches. Specifically, we can very possibly expect to see some of the folks in the non-match groups, now actually match because I have to count the mismatches differently now. I will post more clear information about this later....again, it is a difficult item to explain in a posting! Another great thing with the conference was the chance for a group of us to get together to have dinner. Hughes Williams, Robert J. Williams (no match) and grandsons Alex and Robert (I believe?), Robert Williams and son Robert (Group 51), Bill and Stephanie Williams (Group 2) and myself met up at the Cheesecake factory for a very nice evening (I think I got everyone's names right!?!?). And, Robert J. actually flew down from Amarillo just for the meeting! I was truly honored that everyone would make the effort just to get together! Thanks!!! You will notice a new row for each group in the matched groups table called Modal Haplotype. This is basically, the most likely DNA pattern which that group's ancestor most probably had. In other words, this is the ancestral result set. It is determined from the most common numbers for each DYS value. And, keep in mind that it is group specific...so each group will have a different Modal since they each descend from a different ancestor. I will be making some time over the next couple of weeks to get these Haplotypes put in. I think once you see them, it will make more sense. And, there is some big news on my own homefront. One of the biggest reasons I haven't been very active lately is because I have been working hard on some brand new genetic genealogy software. It is literally a project management toolkit for DNA project administrators. We admins do not have any software to help us keep track of the ever growing amount of project related information and so I decided to write one. I unveiled it at the conference and it has been getting rave reviews. I have a self-imposed deadline of the end of the year to have version 1 finished and ready for sale, and in order for me to hit that, I have to keep my head buried in the program code. So far, it hasn't interfered with my Williams admin duties but I am constantly keeping that in mind. Hopefully, once I get the software released, I can get more active in the project again. I actually have even more stuff to talk about, but I will save that for later...this posting has grown much larger than I thought it would!! And, I have gotten the really important items out (I think!). Until later, Adrian

The following new message has been added to the Williams Genealogy board under the new topic of Thomas Dyer Williams of La Grange, Illinois... -------------------------------- For a number of years I have been trying to discover as much as I can about the above, who was the elder brother of my great-grandfather. He was born in Bristol, England on 31 August 1849 and emigrated to the United States in about 1870. After ten years in Philadelphia he went to Chicago, marrying Mary Alice Brown there on 10 January 1883. The first child (Alice Cary Williams) was born in Spring Park, Illinois on 18 December 1884, and according to US Census records the other five children were born back here in England and were naturalised afterwards. They were Grace W. Williams (b. August 1886), Clara B. Williams (b. August 1888), Ada Williams (b. March 1890), Gladys V. Williams (b. January 1896) and Thomas P. Williams (b. January 1898). Does someone have any of them in the family tree, please? Best wishes, Andrew Williams from Bristol

I so appreciate this message, as it is essential that we know whether a researcher has the benefit of DNA. I am finally, after 15 years beginning to have significant success with my Williams family. Elimination of some Williams' is essential; and, DNA is "the" proof positive. Carol Williams Huff wwwuser@yourhostingaccount.com wrote: The following new message has been added to the Williams Genealogy Forums, on the Williams Genealogy board under the existing topic of Re: John Williams (abt1720-1793) wife: Mourning... -------------------------------- Carlene, What test group does your John Williams descendants come under in the DNA project. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The following new message has been added to the Williams Genealogy Forums, on the Williams Genealogy board under the existing topic of Re: John Williams (abt1720-1793) wife: Mourning... -------------------------------- Carlene, What test group does your John Williams descendants come under in the DNA project.

Hughes, I do not know if you knew I was coming to meet you and the group are not. I will be leaving Amarillo , Tx. in a couple of hours. Look foward to seeing you!all. Thanks for everything you have done. Robert Williams. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hughes Williams" <hughes_williams@hotmail.com> To: <WILLIAMS-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 11:33 AM Subject: RE: [Williams-DNA] Get Together in Houston - It's a Date! - Details! > Well, relatively central. :-) > > And my bad. Emily contacted me about the get-together, and we brainstormed > what seemed the best possible solution given the conference schedule and > Houston logistics. This was about two weeks ago...and I never posted the > details. > > The Cheesecake Factory can accommodate parties up to 60 with enough advance > notice. I don't think we'll hit that mark, so will call October 25 the RSVP > deadline. Let me know by then if you'll be attending, and I'll handle the > reservations. > > The restaurant is open continuously on Friday from 11:00 to 11:00, so we'll > have plenty of time to chat if we choose to stay. The conference shuttle > back to the Sheraton Airport will stop running about 10:00, but if you're a > Houstonian you know there are a lot of "meeting" options that continue later > within a short walk from the restaurant...and some folks coming into town > for the conference will likely get an earlier start at the Galleria for a > little shopping. > > I'd like to keep the RSVPs and any questions or discussion over at the > Williams Project Forums: > > http://forums.genealogy.fm/forums/index.php?topic=130.0 > > I'll be you concierge for this event <grin>, so be sure to post any comments > at all about the meeting. > > --Hughes > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Williams [mailto:stickamw@earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 11:32 AM > To: WILLIAMS-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Williams-DNA] Get Together in Houston - It's a Date! - Details! > > Y'all, > > We have settled on a place and time to meet for the get together in > Houston the weekend of the FTDNA conference (which is coming up > FAST)...here are the details: > > When: Friday, 3 November 2006 > Time: 7:30 PM > Where: The Cheesecake Factory at the Galleria Mall (North side of > The Galleria, Street Level, next to the Westin Oaks Hotel) > > Here is a link to the menu: > (http://www.thecheesecakefactory.com/menu.htm) > > There will be a free shuttle from the conference hotel for those > attending, and according to Hughes, the Galleria is a good central > location for locals. > > And, here are the directions to the restaurant: > (http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?zoom=7&address=5015+Westheimer+Road&ci > ty=Houston&state=TX > <http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?zoom=7&address=5015+Westheimer+Road&ci > ty=Houston&state=TX>) > > I certainly hope to see everyone there...I truly enjoy meeting > participants every chance I can get... > > As always, > Adrian > > > ==== WILLIAMS-DNA Mailing List ==== > Williams DNA Project Information and Results - > http://williams.genealogy.fm/. If anyone has any problems with the list, > please email the moderator (Adrian Williams) directly at > stickamw@earthlink.net > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > ==== WILLIAMS-DNA Mailing List ==== > Williams DNA Project Information and Results - http://williams.genealogy.fm/. If anyone has any problems with the list, please email the moderator (Adrian Williams) directly at stickamw@earthlink.net > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 8/11/2006 > >

The following new message has been added to the Group 8 board under the new topic of William Williams Family Website... -------------------------------- Just a reminder to let everyone know about our William Williams - From Ft. Pitt to Preble County site.  Please check it out!  The link is:  http://home.triad.rr.com/wmshome/index.html Thanks, Judith

In a message dated 10/28/2006 11:52:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, williams-dna-request@rootsweb.com writes: Folks, we have a smaller group than I would have expected to meet and greet Adrian in Houston. I'm going to wait until Tuesday to make the dinner reservations. So if you want in, you have a couple more days to raise your hand. [b]Email me directly, or post here, and we'll reserve a spot for you![/b] :) Hi, Adrian, We have been out of town for a month, and I missed your previous notice about getting the Williams group together. Please write to me privately and let me know the time and place of the dinner. Mary Fern Souder MaryFernS@aol.com

That says it for me as well.

The following new message has been added to the Williams Genealogy board under the new topic of John Williams (abt1720-1793) wife: Mourning... -------------------------------- Here is one more "John Williams" to add to the list. He is my 4xggrandfather. This John Williams was born abt 1720, probably in Isle of Wight, Va. He married Mourning (NLN). She was born abt 1725 and died abt 1805. John and Mourning died in Edgecombe Co., NC. I believe that John had two brothers, Arthur and Roger, but not confirmed. I do not know anything about his parents nor other siblings. ANY information I can get will be greatly appreciated! John and Mourning settled on Town Creek in Edgecombe Co., NC in the 1750's. According to estate papers filed in Edgecombe Co. when his will was probated in 1793, they owned close to 2,000 acres of plantation land. The following can be found in a book entitled "Edgecombe Co. Court Minutes (partial) 1784-1800": "August, 1793: LWT of John WILLIAMS, dec'd, was exhibited for probate, but there being no subscribing witnesses thereto, Hardy FLOWERS, Benjamin LANCASTER, Absalom WILLIAMS made oath that the whole of the said will is in the handwriting of the Testator and Drury (sic) WILLIAMS also made oath that the said will was found locked up in a chest of the said dec'd among his valuable papers. The said will is there upon admitted to probate and ordered to be recorded, and John WILLIAMS, one of the executors therein named came into court & qualified thereto & took out letters. Morning (sic) WILLIAMS dissents to the LWT of her late husband, John WILLIAMS." TRANSCRIPT: PETITION DATED NOVEMBER 1793, EDGECOMBE CO., N.C. (942) Petition (November 1793) for dower and yar's provisions by the widow Morning (sic) Williams stating he died "August last" possessed of 1786 acres in two tracts on Town Creek, as follows: (1) adjoining George Gardner, dec'd, Martin Gardner, Harty Flo9weres (sic) and Benjamin Williford, and (2) adjoining Hardy Floweres, Hardy Todd and Barnaby Barrow. Record indicates the dec'd left a will to which the widow entered her dissent. Petition (July 24, 1794) for dower by the widow, Mourning Williams, stating the dec'd died possessed of 812 3/4 acres on north side of Town Creek, and stating the dec'd had bequeathed a horse to his son Benjamin Williams, sheep to his daughter Mary, wife of Robert Lancaster, a negro to his daughter Elizabeth and Cows to his daughter Lucy, now wife of John Bell. Dower allotted (July 21, 1795), consisting of 49 1/3 acres adjoining Bradly, Town Creek, the Rooty Branch and Hob Pen Branch, and mentions the widow's part of land willed to Elizabeth Williams, wife of John Batts, "called the Proctor Tract". Dower ordered (Nov. 6, 1795), except for lands claimed by the heirs of Jesse Williams, dec'd. Dowers allotted (Dec 0, 1795) to be drawn from 294 acres on Town Creek." The following information regarding Mourning is "hearsay" only. I read this on another web site and was unable to contact the person who posted it in order to confirm it: "Mourning (--?--) was born abt 1730 in Upper Town Creek, Edgecombe Co., North Carolina, and died AFT 1793 in Edgecombe Co., North Carolina. She was the daughter of (unknown) and Summer Moon. She married John Williams, Sr., son of )?) Williams and Margaret or Elizabeth. He was born ABT 1730 in Upper Town Creek, Edgecombe Co., North Carolina and died ABT 1793 in Edgecombe Co., North Carolina." I am 99% sure that neither Mourning nor John were born in Edgecombe County, so there is serious doubt about the validity of the rest of that statement. Children of John and Mourning were: i. Drewry b. 1753, Edgecombe Co., d. May 17, 1831, Edgecombe Co. m. Elizabeth (NLN) ii. Jesse b. abt 1759 m. Elizabeth (NLN) iii. Mary b. abt 1764 m. Robert W. Lancaster iv. Benjamin b. abt 1766 d. July 29, 1811, m. Mary (NLN) v. Milbrey vi. Lucy b. 1770, d 1837, m. John Bell vii. John b. 1772, d Oct 15, 1817 m. Phereby Murphree viii. Elizabeth b 1773 d April 12, 1859 m. Jeremiah Batts ix. Nancy b. abt 1776

i cannot come to houston, so please eat a sweet for me; for i am broke as broke can be, no dough for genealogy. your cousin in the poorhouse