The following new message has been added to the Williams DNA Project board under the new topic of New Project Group Coordinator Found!!... -------------------------------- Y'all,

(snip) 1. Re: Let's get to know one another (Doris E. Williams-Keefer) (snip) My Pedigree line: Gen 1. Joel Abraham Williams, b. 1 Mar. 1808, unk d.1843 Blount Co.(now Loudon Co.) TN. m. Susannah Yearout, 27 July , Blount Co. TN b. 1 Apr 1808 Augusta, VA. d. 4 Nov 1845, Knox, Co. TN Gen 2 Joel Austin Williams, b 1838 Blount Co. TN (or Knox Co.) c. 1898 Knox Co. TN m. Emma ( Unk) Gen 3 Joel Austin Williams, b. 9 Oct 1868, Knox Co. TN, d. 17 March 1931, Santa Anna, CA m Amnier Lucretia Devine, 11 Dec. 1887 Lamar, Barton Co. MO. b. 27 Jan 1873, Barton Co. MO d. 1 May 1934, Colfax Co. NM Gen 4 Joel Robert Williams, b. 1 Mar 1909, Kansas City, MO, d. 8 Feb 1970. Bakersfield, CA m. Helen Louise Weaver, 2 Sept 1928 Colfax Co. NM b. 6 Dec 1909, Raton, Colfax Co. NM d. 7 Oct 1975, Bakersfield, CA -------This is the line I'm working on and have had no success in getting back any further. Also, no luck on the DNA either. Any help appreciated. Harold Williams, Texas

The following new message has been added to the Williams Genealogy board under the new topic of Frederick Williams - Bastardy charge 1811 - Lincoln Co., NC... -------------------------------- The following is from Lincoln Co., NC County Court Minutes, 1781-1813, Film #C.060.30001. July Sessions 1811 Ordered that Sci Fa [Scire Facias] to Fedk Williams to produce a base born child begotten on the body of Polly Tucker of which the said Fedk Williams is the reputed father. [Following is the definition of Scire Facias: A writ requiring the party against which it is issued to appear and show cause why a judicial record should not be enforced, repealed, or annulled.]

The following new message has been added to the Williams Genealogy board under the new topic of Edward Williams will proven - 1814 - Lincoln Co., NC... -------------------------------- The following is from Lincoln Co., NC County Court Minutes, 1813-1824, Film #C.060.30002. April Sessions 1814 The last Will & Testament of Edward Williams was Admitted to Probate by the Testators & witness hand writing both being proved by Jesse Perkins Esqr & Elizabeth & Morris Williams Executors thereto came into open Court & qualified according to Law. [Same session] A Deed of Sale from Edward Williams to John Williams for 76 Acres dated the 19th day of August 1811 was proved by James Walker.

The following new message has been added to the Williams Genealogy board under the new topic of Susannah Williams - Bastardy Case - Lincoln Co., NC 1814... -------------------------------- I found the following in the Lincoln Co., NC court minutes 1813-1824, Film #C.060.30002: July Sessions 1814 Bastardy Susannah Williams vs. David Linebarger on motion of Robert Williamson Esqr It was Ordered by Court that Suannah Williams be allowed 7 [lbs.]-10 for the first years maintenance of a base born child begotten on the body of the Said Susannah David Linebarger being the Reputed Father 5 [lbs.] for the Second & 2 [lbs.]-10 for the third & last year William Smith acknowledged himself Security for the payment of the Same first years allowance paid the two las [sic] allowances paid David Linebarger on a charge of bastardy by Susanah Williams gave bond with Wm Smith Secy for maintainance.

The following new message has been added to the Williams Genealogy board under the new topic of Williams Ebb Williams b. 1877 Texas, found on Carter Cty, Oklahoma Census 1900... -------------------------------- My great grand father is listed on the 1900 cenus,Carter County, Oklahoma Indian Territory. I believe is first name is William but he went by Ebb. He was married to Minnie Gamel Williams with one child Floyd. His name is difficult to read so I am not sure if the first name was actually William or something else that started with a W. I know his son Hayden Williams listed him as Ebb Williams on Haydens social security application. He was born 1877 somewhere in Texas. Married Minnie Gamel, who was one daughter of Kate Gamel in May 8,1897, and they were living in or near the Ardmore, Oklahoma area at the time of the census 1900. One thought I had was if anyone knows the about the marriage records in Ardmore, Oklahoma or could possibly do a look up for me there? I don't know what detail may be included in there old marriage records, it may just be the names and dates. If they filled out some sort of application it may contain other info like his parents name which would be a great find. If anyone can help please contact me. My home email address is : tlwilliamsx@cox.net Terry Williams (Harry)

There are soooo many WILLIAM WILLIAMS sometimes I wonder if our ancestors had no sense of adventure but then I look at some of the names today and am occasionally glad they didn't get that elaborate...but it sure would make it all EASIER!!! haha Doris ----- Original Message ----- From: <ifs@hiwaay.net> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Let's get to know one another > Interesting. > > My ancestor William Williams is one of the 178 William Williamses [per > text > within a DAR book at the Huntsville-Madison County AL Public Library] that > fought in the American Revolutionary War. > > Woodrow (Woody) A. Williams > Elmore County Alabama Williams Line > > Quoting LaNereBob@aol.com: > >> Name - La Nere Cleveland Williams (working on my husband's family). >> His >> name - Bobby Eugene Williams from Waco, McLennan, Texas. I became a >> widow this >> past September. We had been married 50 years. We have 1 son - Vincent >> >> Williams who is a chiropractor in Atlanta Georgia and he is married. >> >> I have been doing genealogy over 30 years and this "Williams" line is >> the >> hardest one I have ever encountered with the exception of another of my >> >> husband's lines - "Luther". >> >> We are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, so >> genealogy is very important to us as families. >> >> I live in Austin Texas and have lived here about 35 years - a beautiful >> >> place to live. My husband and I were raised in Waco Texas, met there >> after his >> service in Korea and were married there. Doing genealogy is very >> important to >> me and especially after the death of my husband. >> >> We have matched with 2 other people but have not made any connection on >> that >> as yet. We are working on it. I do know that the earliest that we >> know of >> came from North Carolina to Illinois and Indiana and then to Arkansas >> and >> then to Texas. One thing that drives me crazy is that so many families >> felt it >> necessary to name a son "William Williams"! >> >> I hope our labors will be more fruitful this year. >> >> I would hope to see the 1850 census on our site. >> >> La Nere >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.25/669 - Release Date: 2/4/2007 >

Name: Gayle (Williams) Miller Age: 63 Born: Texas. Transferred to FL in 1989. Live in Plantation, FL suburb of Ft Lauderdale. Plan to retire TX or NC. Status: Married. Husband, John R. Miller-Viet Nam Veteran. Two children: James 34, Geologist, Jennifer 31, Product Manager. Work: Paint nautical charts for Wentworth Gallery. What got me interested in Genealogy: Inherited photographs and inherited my aunt's research on the Williams line. Genealogy Successes: DAR certificates on Co., John Thomas, Sr., Jane (Black) Thomas and Robert Thomas, Spartanburg Co., SC Certificate for First Families of Bexar Co., Texas on Julius Saunders/Sanders DNA matches on Williams and Sanders lines. On the Williams line, my brother's James Charles Williams, DNA matches with Tina Swyers' participant, Bert and with LaNere Cleveland Williams' husband, Bobby Eugene Williams. Group 41 Anticipating and looking forward to additional matches in the future for Group 41 and new contacts. Thing I would like to see most on the project: Adrian's super idea for the map become reality. The Williams project is the best! Accolades and many thanks Adrian. Gayle Miller

That's WONDERFUL! Adrian needs some relief in a huge way!!! That's Catherine for stepping up!! Doris ----- Original Message ----- From: <wwwuser@yourhostingaccount.com> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] From The Forums! - Williams DNA Project LineageCoordinator Found! > The following new message has been added to the Williams DNA Project board > under the new topic of Williams DNA Project Lineage Coordinator Found!... > > > -------------------------------- > > Y'all, > > I am delighted to announce that Catherine Cooper has stepped up > to take the role of Lineage Coordinator for our project! Next to > handing the results, this is the most challenging aspect of the > project and she is ready to get to work! In this role, she will be > working on two primary aspects. First, she will be contacting all of > those folks who haven't yet submitted a pedigree to the website, in > any format, to encourage and assist them in doing so. Second, she > will be administering the TNG module and encouraging folks to get > their GEDCOM uploaded to the module. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.24/668 - Release Date: 2/4/2007 > >

I'll be next Adrian..... (sorry I always write "books" my friends say) Name: Doris E. Williams-Keefer Age: 44 Born in California but I have lived in several states and currently reside in Alabama Work: I have run a business on Ebay for several years now in which I sell HP Photo paper and Magnetic Bracelets, which allows me to have a flexible schedule and go with my husband to his medical appointments. Status: Married...hubby Gary, two grown kids that I raised,only one of which I gave birth to, (which leads me to ask some questions. Since my son was given MY Maiden name at birth which DNA should he actually do, His real father's last name or the name which is legally his (Williams) haha should be interesting I live with: My husband, Gary; my brother, Donald, and my nephews Rob & Nathan and my Moluccan Cockatoo, Snuggles in Alabama. I have three grandchildren (Alyssia lives in Florida born in 2001), Aslan lives in California, born 2002 (and was just here for a week visit!!!) and Caleb lives in Rhode Island and will be 2 years old on the 11th of February. What got me interested in Genealogy: The birth of my son mostly. I made a common mistake at the beginning. I went to my oldest living relative and slacked off on the others (such as my father and younger "older" generation) my grandparents-now 27 years later are still living but my father died in 1987 -just 7 years after I started my research in a serious way. The only "Mistake" in this part of it -was "slacking" off my other living relatives at the time and waiting too long to go back to them and ask the questions i needed to ask them till it was too late with my father. I work still on my grandparents (Maternal) side as well as my father's side of the family. The earliest know ancestors on his side being William Williams (born 1800 in Georgia) and his wife, Elizabeth "Betsy" Carrol Williams (Born about 1803 in Georgia). I have not tried yet to go back further on my Williams side. Our Taber side has been traced back to the Mayflower families that married into the Taber family. DNA & Genealogy Successes: I moved back to Alabama in 2000 and full time back in 2002 and met many of my father's relatives I had either never met in my life or had not seen since we lived here between 1972-1977. I found a 100 year old bible still in our family, possessed by a sharing relative and FIVE other family bibles to scan and dig over happily and a wealth of information locally on my father's side of the family, including pictures several generations back. I wrote and home published a compilation of data /book form for the Sherrod Williams family for my Friend, Vaughn Williams and many of his cousins and relatives (we are very very distantly related only) and have met one of my best friends (Vaughn) through Williams genealogy. I founded and administrate several myfamily dot com sites including the "Williams Database project" which I initialliy started as a database on my computer, until it grew so large by information sent to me in less than a month that I started the site instead, back when the sites were free. I also founded and administrate the Taber Research site (My maternal grandmother's family), The Birchfield site (related through my grandmother's first marriage), and the William Williams and Elizabeth "Betsy" Carrol website. When the sites were free i had several others as well such as the Scoggins website and the Lider website (My mother's father's family) My Maternal grandmother and grandfather (Taber & Lider) are still living in California. When Vaughn and I first "Met" online I started the Descendants of Sherrod WILLIAMS site for him and I to share files and now it has a LOT of members, but the Williams Database site is still the biggest with over 400 members, about 200 members are active regularly I would guess. I volunteered with Madison County, Al typing their marriage records and such until I was no longer able to do so, they have done a super great job!!! My Dna successes are still to vague for me to understand. I just upgraded my test though. (Done for me by a sibling) I have matched a ton of other surnames as well as some WILLIAMS but I'm not sure how we connect yet at all. Thing I'd Like to see the most in this Project: Adrian's map Idea is Awesome, I'm a VERY Visual person this would be awesome! More members!!!! Hobbies and such: Genealogy (of course!) Learning (I go through phases when I get interested in something I have to read/study/learn as much as I can till I wear myself out or find something else that leads me in another direction) Taking care of my Ebay business (Ebay ID: Satinlady) and my husband these days which has been on chemotherapy for over a year now for his Hepatitis C disease. The drugs are taking their toll on his body but it's curing the Hep C.I don't have as much time lately for genealogy as I used to (I did it almost full time for four years) but hope to be able to return to it soon in the future when my husband is not as sick. Writing (Poems/Stories/genealogies/anything!) Researching the status of Parrots in the home and how fast our rescues are filling up with unwanted ones. Researching Elephants in captivity. Bible/Da Vinci Code/and other current studies. myspace dot com sites myfamily dot com sites Next!! Kind regards, Adrian Adrian Williams Williams DNA Project Administrator http://williams.genealogy.fm/ http://www.dna-pat.com/ stickamw@earthlink.net

Interesting. My ancestor William Williams is one of the 178 William Williamses [per text within a DAR book at the Huntsville-Madison County AL Public Library] that fought in the American Revolutionary War. Woodrow (Woody) A. Williams Elmore County Alabama Williams Line Quoting LaNereBob@aol.com: > Name - La Nere Cleveland Williams (working on my husband's family). > His > name - Bobby Eugene Williams from Waco, McLennan, Texas. I became a > widow this > past September. We had been married 50 years. We have 1 son - Vincent > > Williams who is a chiropractor in Atlanta Georgia and he is married. > > I have been doing genealogy over 30 years and this "Williams" line is > the > hardest one I have ever encountered with the exception of another of my > > husband's lines - "Luther". > > We are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, so > genealogy is very important to us as families. > > I live in Austin Texas and have lived here about 35 years - a beautiful > > place to live. My husband and I were raised in Waco Texas, met there > after his > service in Korea and were married there. Doing genealogy is very > important to > me and especially after the death of my husband. > > We have matched with 2 other people but have not made any connection on > that > as yet. We are working on it. I do know that the earliest that we > know of > came from North Carolina to Illinois and Indiana and then to Arkansas > and > then to Texas. One thing that drives me crazy is that so many families > felt it > necessary to name a son "William Williams"! > > I hope our labors will be more fruitful this year. > > I would hope to see the 1850 census on our site. > > La Nere > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Name - La Nere Cleveland Williams (working on my husband's family). His name - Bobby Eugene Williams from Waco, McLennan, Texas. I became a widow this past September. We had been married 50 years. We have 1 son - Vincent Williams who is a chiropractor in Atlanta Georgia and he is married. I have been doing genealogy over 30 years and this "Williams" line is the hardest one I have ever encountered with the exception of another of my husband's lines - "Luther". We are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, so genealogy is very important to us as families. I live in Austin Texas and have lived here about 35 years - a beautiful place to live. My husband and I were raised in Waco Texas, met there after his service in Korea and were married there. Doing genealogy is very important to me and especially after the death of my husband. We have matched with 2 other people but have not made any connection on that as yet. We are working on it. I do know that the earliest that we know of came from North Carolina to Illinois and Indiana and then to Arkansas and then to Texas. One thing that drives me crazy is that so many families felt it necessary to name a son "William Williams"! I hope our labors will be more fruitful this year. I would hope to see the 1850 census on our site. La Nere

It is theoretically possible to match with other families just because mutations are random. This is probably very rare unless you were a WAMH. If you were a WAMH, then you could match with literally a thousand others on 12 markers, and hundreds on 25 markers. This matching generally disappears with 37 or more markers. But, you would probably not be closely related to any WAMH unless you matched on 37 or 67 markers. If you have a match at 37 or more markers with a family with a different name, it may indicate a stepchild, orphan, or child out of wedlock in the past. -----Original Message----- From: williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of wwwuser@yourhostingaccount.com Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 10:23 AM To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] From The Forums! - Match with another surname The following new message has been added to the Group 32 board under the new topic of Match with another surname... -------------------------------- At Adrian's suggestion I increased my test results from 37 to 67 markers. At about the same time I received an email from a Bailey surname project member saving we were a 37/37 match. His was also increased to 67 and now we have a 67/67 match. I do not know the probability of a coincidental match of different surnames at that level but I assume it is small. His line only goes back to 1830 with confidence and the known families are never geographically close to that point in time. I am uncertain if he should be added to the group or if a posting like this is enough to raise the potential issue. Any thoughts? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> Name: Tina Williams Wood Swyers > > Generation: Baby Boomer > > Status: Married...husand, two children, Wendy 36, Cody 34, 3 step > children, 2 grandsons (one named Dawson after my Dad (Harley Glen Williams' grandmother Adeline Susan Dawson Williams. Dawson also means son of David - her husband's name is David). Three step children and 5 step grandchildren. > > What got me interested in Genealogy: A search for my Mom's > biological father....(found through help from the Kansas University > Library online help giving me an e-mail of someone also was also looking for their grandfather, Frank Davis). Inheritance of an old metal trunk full of pictures that belonged to my Dad's Aunt Lena Williams Brook, White. The lawyer said he was going to throw them away if my Dad didn't come and get them. He drove to Colby, Kansas and picked up the suitcase full of old pictures including tintypes. Most were not named. Two albums belonging to Susan Dawson with tintypes in them. Found my Dad's Uncle Monroe's son online through someone and was able to send him pictures of his Dad. His sister took all the pictures. Last but not least, I feel a strong need to put everything together from oldest family on down. > > DNA Successes: DNA matches to Gayle Miller's brother and LaNere's husband > to my cousin. Group 41. Hoping for more to help us complete our Williams line. > Second, the testing has allowed me to find new cousins that I never knew > I had. I work with 6 or 7 other Williams (internet cousins)researchers and > we correspond through e-mails. I like to look for information online and > send to them. > > Thing I'd Like to see the most in this Project: I think the map is a > wonderful idea. I have tried to do one before. I would like to have a large US map on the wall showing where our Williams families were and where they settled. Best wishes to all Tina > > Adrian Williams > Williams DNA Project Administrator > http://williams.genealogy.fm/ > http://www.dna-pat.com/ > stickamw@earthlink.net > > > BOB WILLIAMS wrote: >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Great idea, Bob...this list has been fairly quiet for some time now.... I'll get it started! Name: Adrian Williams Generation: Generation 'X' or whatever comes after Baby Boomers.... Status: Married...wife Rebecca, three kids, Jordan (6), LeeElla (3) and Emily (11mos), dog (DeeDee), 3 cats (Justin, Puss, Boots), two rats (Lewis and Clark) and the occasional steer (when the freezer gets thin). What got me interested in Genealogy: A combination of my search for my biological mother (found after almost 20 years of separation) and my inheritance of my first family heirloom...my Great-Grandfather's police badge...Chapel Hill, NC badge #1. DNA Successes: Actually two...first, seeing this project become such a success and a model for others. I never realized when I started it that we'd be this large and influential in such a short amount of time. Second, the testing has allowed me to find new cousins that I never knew I had...and helped makes some connections that were previously thought impossible. Thing I'd Like to see the most in this Project: In tandem with the overall Williams study, I love to start putting together a map of the various family lineages. Specifically, my earliest known ancestor is thought to have immigrated in 1638 into Surry Co. VA. I have tracked the family migrations from there thru NC, GA and MS and have simply mapped this migration path. I'd love to be able to do the same for everyone on one massive US Map and be able to tie DNA tests to specific families and migrations. Next!! Kind regards, Adrian Adrian Williams Williams DNA Project Administrator http://williams.genealogy.fm/ http://www.dna-pat.com/ stickamw@earthlink.net BOB WILLIAMS wrote: > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

The following new message has been added to the Williams Genealogy Forums, on the Williams Genealogy Website board under the existing topic of Re: Pedigrees Not Working... -------------------------------- Y'all,

The following new message has been added to the Williams DNA Project board under the new topic of Williams DNA Project Lineage Coordinator Found!... -------------------------------- Y'all, I am delighted to announce that Catherine Cooper (catcoop@bellsouth.net) has stepped up to take the role of Lineage Coordinator for our project! Next to handing the results, this is the most challenging aspect of the project and she is ready to get to work! In this role, she will be working on two primary aspects. First, she will be contacting all of those folks who haven't yet submitted a pedigree to the website, in any format, to encourage and assist them in doing so. Second, she will be administering the TNG module and encouraging folks to get their GEDCOM uploaded to the module. This is a challenging role and I am confident that she will be very helpful to our efforts. I certainly hope you give her the same support that you've given me over these last few years! Kind regards, Adrian Adrian Williams Williams DNA Project Administrator http://williams.genealogy.fm/ http://www.dna-pat.com/ stickamw@earthlink.net

The following new message has been added to the Williams DNA Project board under the new topic of Williams DNA Project Lineage Coordinator Found!... -------------------------------- Y'all, I am delighted to announce that Catherine Cooper has stepped up to take the role of Lineage Coordinator for our project! Next to handing the results, this is the most challenging aspect of the project and she is ready to get to work! In this role, she will be working on two primary aspects. First, she will be contacting all of those folks who haven't yet submitted a pedigree to the website, in any format, to encourage and assist them in doing so. Second, she will be administering the TNG module and encouraging folks to get their GEDCOM uploaded to the module.

A match is a match! No matter the surname. My thoughts are that a DNA data bank is designed to identify matches, groups and subgroups, etc. And as we all know, many (or most) surnames, especially those such as Williams, given its Welch background, or any of the ones ending in --son, --sen, etc. were more or less "given on the spot", not to mention the altered, shortened or new surnames given new arrivals in ports around the world. In addition to adoption from one given name to another one and "illegitimate" births, orphaned babies brought up under another surname, "lost babies" found during wars, etc., there are all sorts of other reasons as to why identical DNA matches could come from totally different surnames on different continents with no known historical or geological connections. My suggestion would be to include all matches and then to try to sort out the names or just be comfortable knowing that surnames are "cultural tags" and DNA matches are genetic tags and just wonder at the results. It's all such a humanizing endeavor anyway. We're all related, no matter the country, culture, ideology, race, or creed. Our DNA data banks at the National Geographic level point in that direction already. Other thoughts? Joyce Leo ----- Original Message ----- From: <wwwuser@yourhostingaccount.com> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 10:23 AM Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] From The Forums! - Match with another surname The following new message has been added to the Group 32 board under the new topic of Match with another surname... -------------------------------- At Adrian's suggestion I increased my test results from 37 to 67 markers. At about the same time I received an email from a Bailey surname project member saving we were a 37/37 match. His was also increased to 67 and now we have a 67/67 match. I do not know the probability of a coincidental match of different surnames at that level but I assume it is small. His line only goes back to 1830 with confidence and the known families are never geographically close to that point in time. I am uncertain if he should be added to the group or if a posting like this is enough to raise the potential issue. Any thoughts? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message