Thanks for the reply. Please do participate in the DNA project. So glad to read about what your brother has found. He is an awesome sleuth. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feldhaus, Stephen" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Cc: <feldhaus@comcast.net> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) > Kitsy, > > I have no information on Elisha's siblings other than what Larry has > listed on his web site. The family lore had always been that he had > been an orphan with no siblings, so we have no record of the siblings > listed in the sources Larry uncovered. > > And we have not yet participated in the Williams DNA project. This is a > good excuse to do so, and I will. > > Steve Feldhaus > sf@feldhauslaw.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lollygag > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:44 AM > To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) > > Could you share the information on Elisha's siblings? > What DNA group is represented by his line in the > Williams DNA project? > Kitsy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Feldhaus, Stephen" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> > To: <WILLIAMS-DNA@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Larry Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:39 AM > Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) > > >>I just received word yesterday that my older brother, Larry Feldhaus, >> has uncovered some most interesting and heretofore undiscovered >> information about Elisha Williams (born in NC in 1749, died in TN > 1811). >> If Larry's research is correct, we now know who Elisha Williams' > parents >> were, as well as who his father's ancestors were. I haven't seen any > of >> the supporting source documents, or cross checked any of this against >> the sources in my files, but Larry is a very careful guy, and I think >> there is a high likelihood that he has finally cracked the mystery of >> Elisha's parents. >> >> >> >> You can see all of Larry's work on his web site, >> http://lfeldhaus.tripod.com/holthousefamilygenealogy/id13.html. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for your reply. Not sure whether you will find this relevant to the discussion but it may be interesting to note that Elisha's brother, Isaac, married a Nancy Bunch. She is the daughter of Henry Bunch, b. 1690, and listed as a 'mulatto' landowner and slaveholder in NC records. Also note that the term 'mulatto' had a somewhat different meaning in the 1700's. Rather than defining simply a black-white mixture, the term was used to classify a wide variety of mixed-blood peoples. So the Bunches and others could easily have been mixed-blood Indians and not Africans. Or some combination of both, and/or other admixtures such as Turkish and Portuguese. The Lumbee and Melungeon groups would seem to fit this description. Do you have any photographs of your early Williams ancestors from this Elisha line? Thanks, Randy Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feldhaus, Stephen" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Larry Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) > Randy, > > We have had no reason at all to suspect a mixed ancestry. I would note > that Elisha Williams sent his oldest son, William Williams, to Harvard, > where he graduated in 1798, and to Harvard Law School, where he > graduated in 1801. William Williams' Harvard records show that he was a > signer of Tennessee's Deed of Secession from the Union. Elisha Williams > also send another son, my ancestor, Josiah Frederick Williams, to one of > the first classes as the then newly formed University of North Carolina. > Josiah Frederick Williams then married a prominent woman in Nashville, > and most of their twelve children either were themselves, or were > married to, leading citizens of Nashville in the middle of the 19th > century. It seems to me that it is unlikely that any of this would > have been possible in the South of that time had there been indications > of black ancestry. I can only assume that since Elisha Williams' mother > was described as a mulatto, and his father was white, he must have been > quite light skinned, and that his children were even more so. > > Steve Feldhaus > sf@feldhauslaw.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Randy Williams > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:15 PM > To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) > > Stephen and Larry, > > Also, I was just wondering if you had ever had any reason to suspect > that > you might have come from mixed ancestry before these recent findings. > > Thanks, > Randy Williams > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Feldhaus, Stephen" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> > To: <WILLIAMS-DNA@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Larry Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:39 AM > Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) > > >>I just received word yesterday that my older brother, Larry Feldhaus, >> has uncovered some most interesting and heretofore undiscovered >> information about Elisha Williams (born in NC in 1749, died in TN > 1811). >> If Larry's research is correct, we now know who Elisha Williams' > parents >> were, as well as who his father's ancestors were. I haven't seen any > of >> the supporting source documents, or cross checked any of this against >> the sources in my files, but Larry is a very careful guy, and I think >> there is a high likelihood that he has finally cracked the mystery of >> Elisha's parents. >> >> >> >> You can see all of Larry's work on his web site, >> http://lfeldhaus.tripod.com/holthousefamilygenealogy/id13.html. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/976 - Release Date: > 8/27/2007 >> 6:20 PM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/976 - Release Date: 8/27/2007 > 6:20 PM > >

Dear Folks, This finding of black blood in white lines isn't really all that surprising considering that everyone on this planet evolved from common ancestors from Africa. DNA tells the story. It's either a recent addition or an old, very ancient lineage or both in this case. The more we study genealogy, the more we understand that all of us are intertwined within one single genetic ball. The pity is that some suffer because of "cultural" impositions and discriminative judgments on how that ball gets bounced around with such surface variations. Just "one drop" of the "wrong" blood and Harvard and high society would have been out of reach for that entire generation (or two or three). Now in this time and age, we just might have a President (or Vice President) from Harvard who is at least certifiably a "mulatto". And the ironic question is, not whether he is "white enough", but is he "black enough." How times change!! Thank you for sharing the Elisha Williams story. Joyce Williams Leo DNA group 42 in the Williams group, via my brother Joel. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feldhaus, Stephen" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Larry Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) Randy, We have had no reason at all to suspect a mixed ancestry. I would note that Elisha Williams sent his oldest son, William Williams, to Harvard, where he graduated in 1798, and to Harvard Law School, where he graduated in 1801. William Williams' Harvard records show that he was a signer of Tennessee's Deed of Secession from the Union. Elisha Williams also send another son, my ancestor, Josiah Frederick Williams, to one of the first classes as the then newly formed University of North Carolina. Josiah Frederick Williams then married a prominent woman in Nashville, and most of their twelve children either were themselves, or were married to, leading citizens of Nashville in the middle of the 19th century. It seems to me that it is unlikely that any of this would have been possible in the South of that time had there been indications of black ancestry. I can only assume that since Elisha Williams' mother was described as a mulatto, and his father was white, he must have been quite light skinned, and that his children were even more so. Steve Feldhaus sf@feldhauslaw.com -----Original Message----- From: williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Randy Williams Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:15 PM To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) Stephen and Larry, Also, I was just wondering if you had ever had any reason to suspect that you might have come from mixed ancestry before these recent findings. Thanks, Randy Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feldhaus, Stephen" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> To: <WILLIAMS-DNA@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Larry Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) >I just received word yesterday that my older brother, Larry >Feldhaus, > has uncovered some most interesting and heretofore undiscovered > information about Elisha Williams (born in NC in 1749, died in > TN 1811). > If Larry's research is correct, we now know who Elisha > Williams' parents > were, as well as who his father's ancestors were. I haven't > seen any of > the supporting source documents, or cross checked any of this > against > the sources in my files, but Larry is a very careful guy, and I > think > there is a high likelihood that he has finally cracked the > mystery of > Elisha's parents. > > > > You can see all of Larry's work on his web site, > http://lfeldhaus.tripod.com/holthousefamilygenealogy/id13.html. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/976 - Release > Date: 8/27/2007 > 6:20 PM > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kitsy, I have no information on Elisha's siblings other than what Larry has listed on his web site. The family lore had always been that he had been an orphan with no siblings, so we have no record of the siblings listed in the sources Larry uncovered. And we have not yet participated in the Williams DNA project. This is a good excuse to do so, and I will. Steve Feldhaus sf@feldhauslaw.com -----Original Message----- From: williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lollygag Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:44 AM To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) Could you share the information on Elisha's siblings? What DNA group is represented by his line in the Williams DNA project? Kitsy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feldhaus, Stephen" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> To: <WILLIAMS-DNA@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Larry Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) >I just received word yesterday that my older brother, Larry Feldhaus, > has uncovered some most interesting and heretofore undiscovered > information about Elisha Williams (born in NC in 1749, died in TN 1811). > If Larry's research is correct, we now know who Elisha Williams' parents > were, as well as who his father's ancestors were. I haven't seen any of > the supporting source documents, or cross checked any of this against > the sources in my files, but Larry is a very careful guy, and I think > there is a high likelihood that he has finally cracked the mystery of > Elisha's parents. > > > > You can see all of Larry's work on his web site, > http://lfeldhaus.tripod.com/holthousefamilygenealogy/id13.html. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could you share the information on Elisha's siblings? What DNA group is represented by his line in the Williams DNA project? Kitsy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feldhaus, Stephen" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> To: <WILLIAMS-DNA@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Larry Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) >I just received word yesterday that my older brother, Larry Feldhaus, > has uncovered some most interesting and heretofore undiscovered > information about Elisha Williams (born in NC in 1749, died in TN 1811). > If Larry's research is correct, we now know who Elisha Williams' parents > were, as well as who his father's ancestors were. I haven't seen any of > the supporting source documents, or cross checked any of this against > the sources in my files, but Larry is a very careful guy, and I think > there is a high likelihood that he has finally cracked the mystery of > Elisha's parents. > > > > You can see all of Larry's work on his web site, > http://lfeldhaus.tripod.com/holthousefamilygenealogy/id13.html. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Randy, We have had no reason at all to suspect a mixed ancestry. I would note that Elisha Williams sent his oldest son, William Williams, to Harvard, where he graduated in 1798, and to Harvard Law School, where he graduated in 1801. William Williams' Harvard records show that he was a signer of Tennessee's Deed of Secession from the Union. Elisha Williams also send another son, my ancestor, Josiah Frederick Williams, to one of the first classes as the then newly formed University of North Carolina. Josiah Frederick Williams then married a prominent woman in Nashville, and most of their twelve children either were themselves, or were married to, leading citizens of Nashville in the middle of the 19th century. It seems to me that it is unlikely that any of this would have been possible in the South of that time had there been indications of black ancestry. I can only assume that since Elisha Williams' mother was described as a mulatto, and his father was white, he must have been quite light skinned, and that his children were even more so. Steve Feldhaus sf@feldhauslaw.com -----Original Message----- From: williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Randy Williams Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:15 PM To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) Stephen and Larry, Also, I was just wondering if you had ever had any reason to suspect that you might have come from mixed ancestry before these recent findings. Thanks, Randy Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feldhaus, Stephen" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> To: <WILLIAMS-DNA@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Larry Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) >I just received word yesterday that my older brother, Larry Feldhaus, > has uncovered some most interesting and heretofore undiscovered > information about Elisha Williams (born in NC in 1749, died in TN 1811). > If Larry's research is correct, we now know who Elisha Williams' parents > were, as well as who his father's ancestors were. I haven't seen any of > the supporting source documents, or cross checked any of this against > the sources in my files, but Larry is a very careful guy, and I think > there is a high likelihood that he has finally cracked the mystery of > Elisha's parents. > > > > You can see all of Larry's work on his web site, > http://lfeldhaus.tripod.com/holthousefamilygenealogy/id13.html. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/976 - Release Date: 8/27/2007 > 6:20 PM > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Stephen and Larry, Also, I was just wondering if you had ever had any reason to suspect that you might have come from mixed ancestry before these recent findings. Thanks, Randy Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feldhaus, Stephen" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> To: <WILLIAMS-DNA@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Larry Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) >I just received word yesterday that my older brother, Larry Feldhaus, > has uncovered some most interesting and heretofore undiscovered > information about Elisha Williams (born in NC in 1749, died in TN 1811). > If Larry's research is correct, we now know who Elisha Williams' parents > were, as well as who his father's ancestors were. I haven't seen any of > the supporting source documents, or cross checked any of this against > the sources in my files, but Larry is a very careful guy, and I think > there is a high likelihood that he has finally cracked the mystery of > Elisha's parents. > > > > You can see all of Larry's work on his web site, > http://lfeldhaus.tripod.com/holthousefamilygenealogy/id13.html. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/976 - Release Date: 8/27/2007 > 6:20 PM > >

Stephen and Larry, Thank you for posting your recent findings. This is very interesting. Do you have any information at all on Elisha Williams' siblings, particularly Catherine or Isaac? Thanks, Randy Williams Blacksburg, Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feldhaus, Stephen" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> To: <WILLIAMS-DNA@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Larry Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) >I just received word yesterday that my older brother, Larry Feldhaus, > has uncovered some most interesting and heretofore undiscovered > information about Elisha Williams (born in NC in 1749, died in TN 1811). > If Larry's research is correct, we now know who Elisha Williams' parents > were, as well as who his father's ancestors were. I haven't seen any of > the supporting source documents, or cross checked any of this against > the sources in my files, but Larry is a very careful guy, and I think > there is a high likelihood that he has finally cracked the mystery of > Elisha's parents. > > > > You can see all of Larry's work on his web site, > http://lfeldhaus.tripod.com/holthousefamilygenealogy/id13.html. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/976 - Release Date: 8/27/2007 > 6:20 PM > >

Dear Polly, I just clicked on the address below and was taken to the web site. Alternatively, you could copy it and paste the address into your browser. Let me know if this does not work for you. Best, Steve Feldhaus I just received word yesterday that my older brother, Larry Feldhaus, has uncovered some most interesting and heretofore undiscovered information about Elisha Williams (born in NC in 1749, died in TN 1811). If Larry's research is correct, we now know who Elisha Williams' parents were, as well as who his father's ancestors were. I haven't seen any of the supporting source documents, or cross checked any of this against the sources in my files, but Larry is a very careful guy, and I think there is a high likelihood that he has finally cracked the mystery of Elisha's parents. You can see all of Larry's work on his web site, http://lfeldhaus.tripod.com/holthousefamilygenealogy/id13.html. -----Original Message----- From: williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CRWPOL@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:09 PM To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) I was not able to get Larry's website. Polly ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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I just received word yesterday that my older brother, Larry Feldhaus, has uncovered some most interesting and heretofore undiscovered information about Elisha Williams (born in NC in 1749, died in TN 1811). If Larry's research is correct, we now know who Elisha Williams' parents were, as well as who his father's ancestors were. I haven't seen any of the supporting source documents, or cross checked any of this against the sources in my files, but Larry is a very careful guy, and I think there is a high likelihood that he has finally cracked the mystery of Elisha's parents. You can see all of Larry's work on his web site, http://lfeldhaus.tripod.com/holthousefamilygenealogy/id13.html.

I believe you have sent this to the wrong Phillip Williams. I didn't order a second tree. Phillip Williams (certificate 17225) ----- Original Message ----- From: <catcoop@bellsouth.net> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Upload question > Hi Phillip, > > I've heard from Adrian, and he said that you will need to create a second > account in order to upload the second Williams tree. He plans to fix this > in > the future. > > So, if you will go to TNG and select the option for creating a new > account, > Adrian and I can then set up your account and notify you. You can then > upload that second tree. > > Be sure to use the other kit number and fill out the info about earliest > ancestor for that tree. We need this to complete the account setup. > > If I can be of any further assistance, please let me know. > > Sincerely, > Catherine ----- Original Message ----- From: <catcoop@bellsouth.net> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Upload question > Hi Phillip, > > I've heard from Adrian, and he said that you will need to create a second > account in order to upload the second Williams tree. He plans to fix this > in > the future. > > So, if you will go to TNG and select the option for creating a new > account, > Adrian and I can then set up your account and notify you. You can then > upload that second tree. > > Be sure to use the other kit number and fill out the info about earliest > ancestor for that tree. We need this to complete the account setup. > > If I can be of any further assistance, please let me know. > > Sincerely, > Catherine > catcoop@bellsouth.net > Lineages Coordinator > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <PhilupO@aol.com> > To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:32 PM > Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Upload question > > >>I have sponsored two YDNA tests. Kit numbers 25915 and 40550. When I >>log >> in and select from the drop down list of kit numbers only kit number, >> 25915, >> is offered. I uploaded the GEDcom for it. How do I get to select kit >> number >> 40550 so that I may upload my GEDcom for it? >> >> Phillip O'Neal Taylor, Fayette, Alabama >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's free at >> http://www.aol.com. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 49 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Hi Phillip, I've heard from Adrian, and he said that you will need to create a second account in order to upload the second Williams tree. He plans to fix this in the future. So, if you will go to TNG and select the option for creating a new account, Adrian and I can then set up your account and notify you. You can then upload that second tree. Be sure to use the other kit number and fill out the info about earliest ancestor for that tree. We need this to complete the account setup. If I can be of any further assistance, please let me know. Sincerely, Catherine catcoop@bellsouth.net Lineages Coordinator ----- Original Message ----- From: <PhilupO@aol.com> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:32 PM Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Upload question >I have sponsored two YDNA tests. Kit numbers 25915 and 40550. When I log > in and select from the drop down list of kit numbers only kit number, > 25915, > is offered. I uploaded the GEDcom for it. How do I get to select kit > number > 40550 so that I may upload my GEDcom for it? > > Phillip O'Neal Taylor, Fayette, Alabama > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I believe you have sent this to the wrong Phillip Williams. I didn't order a second tree. Phillip Williams (certificate 17225) ----- Original Message ----- From: <catcoop@bellsouth.net> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Upload question > Hi Phillip, > > I've heard from Adrian, and he said that you will need to create a second > account in order to upload the second Williams tree. He plans to fix this > in > the future. > > So, if you will go to TNG and select the option for creating a new > account, > Adrian and I can then set up your account and notify you. You can then > upload that second tree. > > Be sure to use the other kit number and fill out the info about earliest > ancestor for that tree. We need this to complete the account setup. > > If I can be of any further assistance, please let me know. > > Sincerely, > Catherine > catcoop@bellsouth.net > Lineages Coordinator > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <PhilupO@aol.com> > To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:32 PM > Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Upload question > > >>I have sponsored two YDNA tests. Kit numbers 25915 and 40550. When I >>log >> in and select from the drop down list of kit numbers only kit number, >> 25915, >> is offered. I uploaded the GEDcom for it. How do I get to select kit >> number >> 40550 so that I may upload my GEDcom for it? >> >> Phillip O'Neal Taylor, Fayette, Alabama >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's free at >> http://www.aol.com. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 49 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Hi Phil and others, I'm responding to Phil's message through our group list because he asks some very good questions. First, we have no standards in the TNG module for documentation of sources and/or proof. I think that traditional genealogical sourcing applies, BUT I'm about to contradict myself here. Obviously, we all want documented sources, but sometimes we have to rely on family history until we can find an original source. Remember, the purpose of our site and the project is to further our research and our trees. Secondly, keep in mind that the gedcoms on the site are for informational purposes and shouldn't be automatically be accepted as proof of genealogical lines by other project members. Through the use of TNG, we've had a couple of members whose gedcoms have changed after other project members provided them with sourced data that changed that person's pedigree. This is extremely valuable to our project members and one of our goals. (Also, only project members can access the gedcoms in the TNG module. These are not available to the general public.) Yes, census data is a source in genealogical research. Regarding the different Williams lines, you should create two gedcoms for these different families if they are not connected in any way. You can do this fairly easily through your gedcom software. The bottom line is that if we all waited until every relationship within our gedcoms was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, we probably wouldn't have any gedcoms on the site! The purpose of putting our information out there is to help each other and learn more about our families. I hope I've answered your questions, Phil. If not, please let me know. Sincerely, Catherine ----- Original Message ----- From: <PhilupO@aol.com> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Informal Poll Regarding TNG Module > My questions that hold me up are: Do you want only documented people in > a > GEDcom? If so, what are your standards for documentation? Do the > censuses > count for documentation? How do we remove undocumented persons? Should > the > GEDcom include all the individuals in a line? I have sponsored two lines > of > Williams YDNA test. Each line includes about 500 descendants and the > lines are > not directly related. > > Probably all this information is available somewhere, I just do not > remember > where to look. > > Phil Taylor, Fayette, Alabama > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have sponsored two YDNA tests. Kit numbers 25915 and 40550. When I log in and select from the drop down list of kit numbers only kit number, 25915, is offered. I uploaded the GEDcom for it. How do I get to select kit number 40550 so that I may upload my GEDcom for it? Phillip O'Neal Taylor, Fayette, Alabama ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Suzanne, There are actually a couple if items here... First, most genealogy programs will allow you to specify which individuals to include in a gedcom file....and even select one individual and all his descendants. I know how to do it in FTM but not the others if you'd like help. And the worth is in the publicizing of your information so that other potential cousins and testers can find the information. Finally, many of us encounter financial limitations and thankfully a lot of folks in this project have contributed to the projects DNA fund. I'd encourage anyone who wants to participate in the testing but is limited because if finances to check out the DNA fund to see if it might help. Kind regards, Adrian Adrian Williams Williams DNA Project Administrator http://williams.genealogy.fm/ http://www.dna-pat.com/ stickamw@earthlink.net swmpratt wrote: > I use TNG myself so I don't upload because of unfamiliarity with the > problem. Mine stems from having my Williams data in with all my other data > and having to sort it out - I just haven't had the time yet. Also, I have > so little - me, my father, his father, and 2 more generations - back to the > 1860s. It just hardly seems worth it, especially since I have no one in my > family willing to do the DNA because of financial reasons. So there you > go.... > > Suzanne Pratt > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Walter F. Williams > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:10 PM > To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Informal Poll Regarding TNG Module > > Good afternoon: > Easy answer. I don't use gedcom software. Is there any other way to > submit?? > Walt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <catcoop@bellsouth.net> > To: <WILLIAMS-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:55 PM > Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Informal Poll Regarding TNG Module > > > >> Dear Williams DNA Project Participants, >> >> First, I want to thank all of you that have replied to my requests for >> pedigrees for the site. Over 50 of you have submitted your data! >> >> With the project growing at such a rapid pace (372 participants), I find >> that the TNG module is lagging in the number of gedcoms posted by our >> participants. Thus, I'm taking a sort of informal poll to ask why more of >> our participants aren't adding their gedcoms to the TNG module. For >> example, do you find it too difficult to upload your gedcom to the site? >> Do you not use gedcom software? >> >> Please reply and let us know why you aren't adding your gedcoms to the TNG >> > > >> module. Adrian has created a wonderful DNA project site for us and wants >> all of us to use it to our own benefit. To that end, your input regarding >> the TNG module is crucial. >> >> Thank you for your time! >> >> Sincerely, >> Catherine Williams Cooper >> Lineages Coordinator >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

This is actually a challenging question to answer. On one hand, the "old-school" genealogist in me says that you'd only want to put proven information in your public profile. However, the other side of me says that this is a research project and that part of our research is making hypotheses and theories about our ancestry....what it is we are trying to prove....and as such, you'd want to include those theories in your information as well. And, my recommendation is to include the descendants of your earliest know ancestor, making sure that you either privatize living individuals or remove them from your GEDCOM. The system is quite robust and can handle a significant number (10,000+) of individuals in any given tree. Kind regards, Adrian Adrian Williams Williams DNA Project Administrator http://williams.genealogy.fm/ http://www.dna-pat.com/ stickamw@earthlink.net PhilupO@aol.com wrote: > My questions that hold me up are: Do you want only documented people in a > GEDcom? If so, what are your standards for documentation? Do the censuses > count for documentation? How do we remove undocumented persons? Should the > GEDcom include all the individuals in a line? I have sponsored two lines of > Williams YDNA test. Each line includes about 500 descendants and the lines are > not directly related. > > Probably all this information is available somewhere, I just do not remember > where to look. > > Phil Taylor, Fayette, Alabama > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Catherine, Thank you so much for your assistance and support. I thought I would give my two cents worth here after reading some of the responses. I use a program called Legacy Family Tree which is free and it will produce a up loadable GEDCOM for the user. I have a lot of ancestors in my data base but I selectively picked out my Williams line to upload. I think it would be of value if someone only had a couple of generations to upload. It is all about trying to find connections and helping each other. If anyone is interested in Legacy go to http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/ There are no hooks or spam's, it is very safe to download and use, I get no commission! Again Thanks Duncan Rea Williams http://drwilliams.org -----Original Message----- From: williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of catcoop@bellsouth.net Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:55 PM To: WILLIAMS-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Informal Poll Regarding TNG Module Dear Williams DNA Project Participants, First, I want to thank all of you that have replied to my requests for pedigrees for the site. Over 50 of you have submitted your data! With the project growing at such a rapid pace (372 participants), I find that the TNG module is lagging in the number of gedcoms posted by our participants. Thus, I'm taking a sort of informal poll to ask why more of our participants aren't adding their gedcoms to the TNG module. For example, do you find it too difficult to upload your gedcom to the site? Do you not use gedcom software? Please reply and let us know why you aren't adding your gedcoms to the TNG module. Adrian has created a wonderful DNA project site for us and wants all of us to use it to our own benefit. To that end, your input regarding the TNG module is crucial. Thank you for your time! Sincerely, Catherine Williams Cooper Lineages Coordinator ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I use TNG myself so I don't upload because of unfamiliarity with the problem. Mine stems from having my Williams data in with all my other data and having to sort it out - I just haven't had the time yet. Also, I have so little - me, my father, his father, and 2 more generations - back to the 1860s. It just hardly seems worth it, especially since I have no one in my family willing to do the DNA because of financial reasons. So there you go.... Suzanne Pratt -----Original Message----- From: williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Walter F. Williams Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:10 PM To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Informal Poll Regarding TNG Module Good afternoon: Easy answer. I don't use gedcom software. Is there any other way to submit?? Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: <catcoop@bellsouth.net> To: <WILLIAMS-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:55 PM Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Informal Poll Regarding TNG Module > Dear Williams DNA Project Participants, > > First, I want to thank all of you that have replied to my requests for > pedigrees for the site. Over 50 of you have submitted your data! > > With the project growing at such a rapid pace (372 participants), I find > that the TNG module is lagging in the number of gedcoms posted by our > participants. Thus, I'm taking a sort of informal poll to ask why more of > our participants aren't adding their gedcoms to the TNG module. For > example, do you find it too difficult to upload your gedcom to the site? > Do you not use gedcom software? > > Please reply and let us know why you aren't adding your gedcoms to the TNG > module. Adrian has created a wonderful DNA project site for us and wants > all of us to use it to our own benefit. To that end, your input regarding > the TNG module is crucial. > > Thank you for your time! > > Sincerely, > Catherine Williams Cooper > Lineages Coordinator > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message