Evening y'all! Well, as I spoke about in my last email, our general fund is completely depleted!! Almost exactly two years ago, we held an exiting week-long fund drive that raised over $2000 for our general fund. That money has lasted up until this month. As I write this, I have 7 grant requests (including the two that I mentioned in my last email ) that are pending approval and thanks to a recent donation of $250, have enough in the fund to cover 4 of them. This leaves 3 possible matching cousins out on a limb. Just so folks understand how important this fund is, the donations from our drive two years ago, have helped 22 folks get tested...that's 22 more samples that we wouldn't have had otherwise...and of those tested, 12 of them matched or helped to create groups. So, I'd like to do the same thing we did last time. I have already received one commitment to match up to $250, any donations that come in between now and April 8th with the note "Please send out my challenge to other Williams' DNA Project participants." That's a total of $500 that will go towards the fund! And just to throw some perspective on things...consider this: If each of our over 500 participants kicked in just $5 to the fund...less than the cost of a McDonalds value meal, that would translate into over $2,500 for the fund. Anyone ever think $5 could go such a long way?! That would raise more than our last effort when we had but half the people in the project!! So come on cousins!! Let's see that generosity that we Williams' are known for! Let's take that small but not insignificant step of helping our fellow Williams join this project! Whether it's $5, $50 or even $500, every bit helps!! If you are interested in donating, there are a couple of methods you can use. If you use this link: http://www.familytreedna.com/contribution.html and just follow the instructions. Be sure to indicate your donation is for the Williams project and also indicate if you'd like the donation in your name or in honor/memory of another. I will be getting the fund page updated with all our contributors as they come in! Additionally, if there is anyone else that would like to step up to match the incoming funds, please contact me directly! I look forward to hearing from y'all!!! Best regards, Adrian Adrian Williams Williams DNA Project Administrator

Adrian, My husband Tom is #101985 and is in group 13. There are two new 37 marker matches to him but they did not enter thru the Williams DNA site. I need to know if you can add them or can you tell me what to tell them, to get themselves added. Steven L. (Williams) d'Alencon (Y67) steve@dalencon.net Mr. James Marshall Williams, Jr. jw7775@aol.com Their kit numbers were not given but I could ask them. They do want to be on the Williams site. We are of North Carolina origin. Also, I cannot figure out how to achieve the link from the results page to the lineage that I downloaded to the Williams DNA site. Is there someone who can help me with that. Finally, now that we have so many who match, could we have a blurb below our box for group 13? Edwin Williams #24002 could prepare it. Thank you for all you do for our cause, Diana Williams

Hey, Adrian, I understand your divorce. I went through one almost like yours. One morning we both looked at each other and asked "Why are we married?" This came almost 30 years. And, as you, my wife hadn't committed to our marriage for about 20 years. I stuck it out until my girls were grown and gone. We moved to Wyoming thinking that it would be what we needed, getting back to where we graduated from High School. But, after two years we both knew it wasn't working. My prayers are for both you and your ex and you children. I am feeling a lot better now and ready to do more. See ya, Walt On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:18:33 -0600 Adrian Williams <stickamw@earthlink.net> wrote: > Good afternoon! > It's been a long time since I've written everyone and I > apologize for being so "out of it" for so long. Without getting into all > of the details, this last year has been a whirlwind of ups and downs. > Just about a year ago, my wife and kids and I packed up our Missouri > homestead and moved back to our native North Carolina. It's a good thing > that I like my mother-in-law...things got "cozy" with our family of 5 > living with her in a 1000 sqft house....and did I mention she only has 1 > bathroom? However, God had other ideas for us and after 3 months of > struggling to find new jobs and a home of our own without success, I > received the job offer of a lifetime...go to work for Family Tree DNA as > their manager of web development. So, we packed up > everything...again...and moved to Houston to pursue my dream job, which > is where I am currently. > However, God wasn't finished...last month, my wife and I > filed for divorce. She clearly wasn't the right person for me and it > just took me a long time to see that. And, before you may be tempted to > write a condolence, it's actually working out for the best. Our 3 > children are staying with me; I wouldn't have it any other way. And I > don't have to deal with any more pain of a partner who is not committed > to the marriage. Nuff said. > Although I have been rather silent, I have tried to persist > in the upkeep of the results and the website by continue to get at a > minimum the results information uploaded. And I must thank Catherine > and Jan for their help with the pedigrees, group management and TNG > logins. Without them, I would certainly be more behind than I am right now! > In case anyone didn't notice, we hit a MAJOR milestone a > couple weeks ago by becoming only the second surname project to surpass > 500 members. This is a huge accomplishment because although there is a > certain "bragging right" with hitting this number, the most important > aspect is that as the size of our project grows, it means we have more > and more samples to compare against. This is of critical importance > because the more samples we have, the more lineages we can define. > Right now, our participant base represents over 200 unique lineages. > That's 200+ different and unrelated Williams families!! > Over the coming weeks and months, I would like to kick-off a > number of initiatives that I think would be very beneficial to all > Williams researchers...and some of them I will certainly need help with. > The first item is my goal for the year: a complete redesign > of the Williams Genealogy website. This is a major but necessary > undertaking as the data has outgrown the current site and I want to add > some tools to help everyone. This is my pet project that will certainly > take some time to accomplish. Part of this will include the migration of > the website to a new domain: www.williamsgenealogy.org > Second, I'd be very interested if a small group of people > can start pulling together all of the known and supposed history of the > Williams surname, including famous Williams', the origins of the > surname, various coat's of arms that have been granted to Williams > individuals, etc. This information will have a special place on the > website. > Third, for the DNA project, we need to have a renewed push > for information from participants both in the form of pedigree > information as well as information and leaders for the 73 matched groups > that we currently have in the project. We currently have only 15 group > descriptions in the system...that's right at 20%. Additionally, out of > 510 participants, we have 250 missing pedigrees. Folks, I can't stress > how important this information is. Without it, the DNA testing is > nothing but a bunch of numbers. > Fourth, it would be VERY beneficial for all of our matched > participants who have not yet done so, to upgrade their 12 marker tests > to at a minimum, the 25-marker level. Over the years, this has shown us > to be the magic bullet (so to speak) in that at 25 markers, I can 98% of > the time confirm a true genetic match vs. a false positive that we often > see at the 12 marker level. The folks that this applies to are those > who are in any of the matched groups. Those folks in the unmatched > group don't need to worry about it yet because you are still waiting to > find a match. > Fifth, our project general fund is getting very close to > being exhausted. Almost exactly two years ago, we held an exiting > week-long fund drive that raised over $2000 for our general fund. That > money has lasted up until this month. I have 2 grant requests that are > pending approval and those will surely wipe out the money that is left > in the fund. Just so folks understand how important this fund is, these > donations have helped 22 folks get tested...that's 22 more samples that > we wouldn't have had otherwise...and of those tested, 12 of them matched > or helped to create groups. So, I'd like to do the same thing we did > last time. If there is a generous soul or two who'd be willing to an > NPR-like approach of committing a dollar for dollar matching up to a > certain amount, we can have another drive. For example, the catalyst > last year was an individual who committed to matching up to $500 of > contributions that came in over the course of a week. This was > phenomenally successful. If you are interested in the matching, please > contact me directly. > Sixth, we had an idea while back for an education series...a > set of pages/postings that would tackle explaining various topics > surrounding genealogy and genetic genealogy. I would like to see this > pulled off the shelf and re-addressed. > Seventh (yes, I have more!!), I would love to see a > discussion occur about the possibilities of starting up a WorldWide > Williams Family Association. There are a number of smaller Williams > associations that generally target a very specific lineage. This would > be global...along the lines of a one-name study. It would be a major > undertaking but I think it might be worthwhile if it can provide benefit > to all those many thousands of people researching the Williams surname. > Eighth, I would also like to see an in-depth discussion on > the work and direction needed to begin mapping out the migrations of our > known Williams families. As most of you know, geography plays a BIG > part in our research. A large number of our matched participants don't > know how they connect in the bigger tree...the DNA has said they are > kin...but where in the tree they are is still a mystery. So, I think > that if we can start, say with the 1790 census, and map out all the 2200 > Williams households and move forward in time to determine where they > moved to as well as new immigrations, it could be a tremendous resource > for generations to come. Let's talk about it! > Ok, I am officially tired now....so I will bring this letter > to a close. I want to thank everyone for your continued patience and > faith in me as I do my dog-gonnest to keep this project alive and happy. > I look forward to an exciting year!! > > Best regards, > Adrian > > Adrian Williams > Williams DNA Project Administrator > http://williams.genealogy.fm/ > stickamw@earthlink.net > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Adrian, Welcome to Houston and the wonderful Clayton Genealogical Library. Sherry

It sounds exciting, Adrian, and I will watch with anticipation. Good luck with your new life. Mary Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Williams" <stickamw@earthlink.net> To: <WILLIAMS-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 11:18 PM Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Williams DNA Project - A Status Note From Adrian! > Good afternoon! > It's been a long time since I've written everyone and I > apologize for being so "out of it" for so long. Without getting into all > of the details, this last year has been a whirlwind of ups and downs. > Just about a year ago, my wife and kids and I packed up our Missouri > homestead and moved back to our native North Carolina. It's a good thing > that I like my mother-in-law...things got "cozy" with our family of 5 > living with her in a 1000 sqft house....and did I mention she only has 1 > bathroom? However, God had other ideas for us and after 3 months of > struggling to find new jobs and a home of our own without success, I > received the job offer of a lifetime...go to work for Family Tree DNA as > their manager of web development. So, we packed up > everything...again...and moved to Houston to pursue my dream job, which > is where I am currently. > However, God wasn't finished...last month, my wife and I > filed for divorce. She clearly wasn't the right person for me and it > just took me a long time to see that. And, before you may be tempted to > write a condolence, it's actually working out for the best. Our 3 > children are staying with me; I wouldn't have it any other way. And I > don't have to deal with any more pain of a partner who is not committed > to the marriage. Nuff said. > Although I have been rather silent, I have tried to persist > in the upkeep of the results and the website by continue to get at a > minimum the results information uploaded. And I must thank Catherine > and Jan for their help with the pedigrees, group management and TNG > logins. Without them, I would certainly be more behind than I am right > now! > In case anyone didn't notice, we hit a MAJOR milestone a > couple weeks ago by becoming only the second surname project to surpass > 500 members. This is a huge accomplishment because although there is a > certain "bragging right" with hitting this number, the most important > aspect is that as the size of our project grows, it means we have more > and more samples to compare against. This is of critical importance > because the more samples we have, the more lineages we can define. > Right now, our participant base represents over 200 unique lineages. > That's 200+ different and unrelated Williams families!! > Over the coming weeks and months, I would like to kick-off a > number of initiatives that I think would be very beneficial to all > Williams researchers...and some of them I will certainly need help with. > The first item is my goal for the year: a complete redesign > of the Williams Genealogy website. This is a major but necessary > undertaking as the data has outgrown the current site and I want to add > some tools to help everyone. This is my pet project that will certainly > take some time to accomplish. Part of this will include the migration of > the website to a new domain: www.williamsgenealogy.org > Second, I'd be very interested if a small group of people > can start pulling together all of the known and supposed history of the > Williams surname, including famous Williams', the origins of the > surname, various coat's of arms that have been granted to Williams > individuals, etc. This information will have a special place on the > website. > Third, for the DNA project, we need to have a renewed push > for information from participants both in the form of pedigree > information as well as information and leaders for the 73 matched groups > that we currently have in the project. We currently have only 15 group > descriptions in the system...that's right at 20%. Additionally, out of > 510 participants, we have 250 missing pedigrees. Folks, I can't stress > how important this information is. Without it, the DNA testing is > nothing but a bunch of numbers. > Fourth, it would be VERY beneficial for all of our matched > participants who have not yet done so, to upgrade their 12 marker tests > to at a minimum, the 25-marker level. Over the years, this has shown us > to be the magic bullet (so to speak) in that at 25 markers, I can 98% of > the time confirm a true genetic match vs. a false positive that we often > see at the 12 marker level. The folks that this applies to are those > who are in any of the matched groups. Those folks in the unmatched > group don't need to worry about it yet because you are still waiting to > find a match. > Fifth, our project general fund is getting very close to > being exhausted. Almost exactly two years ago, we held an exiting > week-long fund drive that raised over $2000 for our general fund. That > money has lasted up until this month. I have 2 grant requests that are > pending approval and those will surely wipe out the money that is left > in the fund. Just so folks understand how important this fund is, these > donations have helped 22 folks get tested...that's 22 more samples that > we wouldn't have had otherwise...and of those tested, 12 of them matched > or helped to create groups. So, I'd like to do the same thing we did > last time. If there is a generous soul or two who'd be willing to an > NPR-like approach of committing a dollar for dollar matching up to a > certain amount, we can have another drive. For example, the catalyst > last year was an individual who committed to matching up to $500 of > contributions that came in over the course of a week. This was > phenomenally successful. If you are interested in the matching, please > contact me directly. > Sixth, we had an idea while back for an education series...a > set of pages/postings that would tackle explaining various topics > surrounding genealogy and genetic genealogy. I would like to see this > pulled off the shelf and re-addressed. > Seventh (yes, I have more!!), I would love to see a > discussion occur about the possibilities of starting up a WorldWide > Williams Family Association. There are a number of smaller Williams > associations that generally target a very specific lineage. This would > be global...along the lines of a one-name study. It would be a major > undertaking but I think it might be worthwhile if it can provide benefit > to all those many thousands of people researching the Williams surname. > Eighth, I would also like to see an in-depth discussion on > the work and direction needed to begin mapping out the migrations of our > known Williams families. As most of you know, geography plays a BIG > part in our research. A large number of our matched participants don't > know how they connect in the bigger tree...the DNA has said they are > kin...but where in the tree they are is still a mystery. So, I think > that if we can start, say with the 1790 census, and map out all the 2200 > Williams households and move forward in time to determine where they > moved to as well as new immigrations, it could be a tremendous resource > for generations to come. Let's talk about it! > Ok, I am officially tired now....so I will bring this letter > to a close. I want to thank everyone for your continued patience and > faith in me as I do my dog-gonnest to keep this project alive and happy. > I look forward to an exciting year!! > > Best regards, > Adrian > > Adrian Williams > Williams DNA Project Administrator > http://williams.genealogy.fm/ > stickamw@earthlink.net > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good afternoon! It's been a long time since I've written everyone and I apologize for being so "out of it" for so long. Without getting into all of the details, this last year has been a whirlwind of ups and downs. Just about a year ago, my wife and kids and I packed up our Missouri homestead and moved back to our native North Carolina. It's a good thing that I like my mother-in-law...things got "cozy" with our family of 5 living with her in a 1000 sqft house....and did I mention she only has 1 bathroom? However, God had other ideas for us and after 3 months of struggling to find new jobs and a home of our own without success, I received the job offer of a lifetime...go to work for Family Tree DNA as their manager of web development. So, we packed up everything...again...and moved to Houston to pursue my dream job, which is where I am currently. However, God wasn't finished...last month, my wife and I filed for divorce. She clearly wasn't the right person for me and it just took me a long time to see that. And, before you may be tempted to write a condolence, it's actually working out for the best. Our 3 children are staying with me; I wouldn't have it any other way. And I don't have to deal with any more pain of a partner who is not committed to the marriage. Nuff said. Although I have been rather silent, I have tried to persist in the upkeep of the results and the website by continue to get at a minimum the results information uploaded. And I must thank Catherine and Jan for their help with the pedigrees, group management and TNG logins. Without them, I would certainly be more behind than I am right now! In case anyone didn't notice, we hit a MAJOR milestone a couple weeks ago by becoming only the second surname project to surpass 500 members. This is a huge accomplishment because although there is a certain "bragging right" with hitting this number, the most important aspect is that as the size of our project grows, it means we have more and more samples to compare against. This is of critical importance because the more samples we have, the more lineages we can define. Right now, our participant base represents over 200 unique lineages. That's 200+ different and unrelated Williams families!! Over the coming weeks and months, I would like to kick-off a number of initiatives that I think would be very beneficial to all Williams researchers...and some of them I will certainly need help with. The first item is my goal for the year: a complete redesign of the Williams Genealogy website. This is a major but necessary undertaking as the data has outgrown the current site and I want to add some tools to help everyone. This is my pet project that will certainly take some time to accomplish. Part of this will include the migration of the website to a new domain: www.williamsgenealogy.org Second, I'd be very interested if a small group of people can start pulling together all of the known and supposed history of the Williams surname, including famous Williams', the origins of the surname, various coat's of arms that have been granted to Williams individuals, etc. This information will have a special place on the website. Third, for the DNA project, we need to have a renewed push for information from participants both in the form of pedigree information as well as information and leaders for the 73 matched groups that we currently have in the project. We currently have only 15 group descriptions in the system...that's right at 20%. Additionally, out of 510 participants, we have 250 missing pedigrees. Folks, I can't stress how important this information is. Without it, the DNA testing is nothing but a bunch of numbers. Fourth, it would be VERY beneficial for all of our matched participants who have not yet done so, to upgrade their 12 marker tests to at a minimum, the 25-marker level. Over the years, this has shown us to be the magic bullet (so to speak) in that at 25 markers, I can 98% of the time confirm a true genetic match vs. a false positive that we often see at the 12 marker level. The folks that this applies to are those who are in any of the matched groups. Those folks in the unmatched group don't need to worry about it yet because you are still waiting to find a match. Fifth, our project general fund is getting very close to being exhausted. Almost exactly two years ago, we held an exiting week-long fund drive that raised over $2000 for our general fund. That money has lasted up until this month. I have 2 grant requests that are pending approval and those will surely wipe out the money that is left in the fund. Just so folks understand how important this fund is, these donations have helped 22 folks get tested...that's 22 more samples that we wouldn't have had otherwise...and of those tested, 12 of them matched or helped to create groups. So, I'd like to do the same thing we did last time. If there is a generous soul or two who'd be willing to an NPR-like approach of committing a dollar for dollar matching up to a certain amount, we can have another drive. For example, the catalyst last year was an individual who committed to matching up to $500 of contributions that came in over the course of a week. This was phenomenally successful. If you are interested in the matching, please contact me directly. Sixth, we had an idea while back for an education series...a set of pages/postings that would tackle explaining various topics surrounding genealogy and genetic genealogy. I would like to see this pulled off the shelf and re-addressed. Seventh (yes, I have more!!), I would love to see a discussion occur about the possibilities of starting up a WorldWide Williams Family Association. There are a number of smaller Williams associations that generally target a very specific lineage. This would be global...along the lines of a one-name study. It would be a major undertaking but I think it might be worthwhile if it can provide benefit to all those many thousands of people researching the Williams surname. Eighth, I would also like to see an in-depth discussion on the work and direction needed to begin mapping out the migrations of our known Williams families. As most of you know, geography plays a BIG part in our research. A large number of our matched participants don't know how they connect in the bigger tree...the DNA has said they are kin...but where in the tree they are is still a mystery. So, I think that if we can start, say with the 1790 census, and map out all the 2200 Williams households and move forward in time to determine where they moved to as well as new immigrations, it could be a tremendous resource for generations to come. Let's talk about it! Ok, I am officially tired now....so I will bring this letter to a close. I want to thank everyone for your continued patience and faith in me as I do my dog-gonnest to keep this project alive and happy. I look forward to an exciting year!! Best regards, Adrian Adrian Williams Williams DNA Project Administrator http://williams.genealogy.fm/ stickamw@earthlink.net

Adrian, I wish you the very best! Emily ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Williams" <stickamw@earthlink.net> To: <WILLIAMS-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 8:18 PM Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Williams DNA Project - A Status Note From Adrian! > Good afternoon! > It's been a long time since I've written everyone and I > apologize for being so "out of it" for so long. Without getting into all > of the details, this last year has been a whirlwind of ups and downs. > Just about a year ago, my wife and kids and I packed up our Missouri > homestead and moved back to our native North Carolina. It's a good thing > that I like my mother-in-law...things got "cozy" with our family of 5 > living with her in a 1000 sqft house....and did I mention she only has 1 > bathroom? However, God had other ideas for us and after 3 months of > struggling to find new jobs and a home of our own without success, I > received the job offer of a lifetime...go to work for Family Tree DNA as > their manager of web development. So, we packed up > everything...again...and moved to Houston to pursue my dream job, which > is where I am currently. > However, God wasn't finished...last month, my wife and I > filed for divorce. She clearly wasn't the right person for me and it > just took me a long time to see that. And, before you may be tempted to > write a condolence, it's actually working out for the best. Our 3 > children are staying with me; I wouldn't have it any other way. And I > don't have to deal with any more pain of a partner who is not committed > to the marriage. Nuff said. > Although I have been rather silent, I have tried to persist > in the upkeep of the results and the website by continue to get at a > minimum the results information uploaded. And I must thank Catherine > and Jan for their help with the pedigrees, group management and TNG > logins. Without them, I would certainly be more behind than I am right > now! > In case anyone didn't notice, we hit a MAJOR milestone a > couple weeks ago by becoming only the second surname project to surpass > 500 members. This is a huge accomplishment because although there is a > certain "bragging right" with hitting this number, the most important > aspect is that as the size of our project grows, it means we have more > and more samples to compare against. This is of critical importance > because the more samples we have, the more lineages we can define. > Right now, our participant base represents over 200 unique lineages. > That's 200+ different and unrelated Williams families!! > Over the coming weeks and months, I would like to kick-off a > number of initiatives that I think would be very beneficial to all > Williams researchers...and some of them I will certainly need help with. > The first item is my goal for the year: a complete redesign > of the Williams Genealogy website. This is a major but necessary > undertaking as the data has outgrown the current site and I want to add > some tools to help everyone. This is my pet project that will certainly > take some time to accomplish. Part of this will include the migration of > the website to a new domain: www.williamsgenealogy.org > Second, I'd be very interested if a small group of people > can start pulling together all of the known and supposed history of the > Williams surname, including famous Williams', the origins of the > surname, various coat's of arms that have been granted to Williams > individuals, etc. This information will have a special place on the > website. > Third, for the DNA project, we need to have a renewed push > for information from participants both in the form of pedigree > information as well as information and leaders for the 73 matched groups > that we currently have in the project. We currently have only 15 group > descriptions in the system...that's right at 20%. Additionally, out of > 510 participants, we have 250 missing pedigrees. Folks, I can't stress > how important this information is. Without it, the DNA testing is > nothing but a bunch of numbers. > Fourth, it would be VERY beneficial for all of our matched > participants who have not yet done so, to upgrade their 12 marker tests > to at a minimum, the 25-marker level. Over the years, this has shown us > to be the magic bullet (so to speak) in that at 25 markers, I can 98% of > the time confirm a true genetic match vs. a false positive that we often > see at the 12 marker level. The folks that this applies to are those > who are in any of the matched groups. Those folks in the unmatched > group don't need to worry about it yet because you are still waiting to > find a match. > Fifth, our project general fund is getting very close to > being exhausted. Almost exactly two years ago, we held an exiting > week-long fund drive that raised over $2000 for our general fund. That > money has lasted up until this month. I have 2 grant requests that are > pending approval and those will surely wipe out the money that is left > in the fund. Just so folks understand how important this fund is, these > donations have helped 22 folks get tested...that's 22 more samples that > we wouldn't have had otherwise...and of those tested, 12 of them matched > or helped to create groups. So, I'd like to do the same thing we did > last time. If there is a generous soul or two who'd be willing to an > NPR-like approach of committing a dollar for dollar matching up to a > certain amount, we can have another drive. For example, the catalyst > last year was an individual who committed to matching up to $500 of > contributions that came in over the course of a week. This was > phenomenally successful. If you are interested in the matching, please > contact me directly. > Sixth, we had an idea while back for an education series...a > set of pages/postings that would tackle explaining various topics > surrounding genealogy and genetic genealogy. I would like to see this > pulled off the shelf and re-addressed. > Seventh (yes, I have more!!), I would love to see a > discussion occur about the possibilities of starting up a WorldWide > Williams Family Association. There are a number of smaller Williams > associations that generally target a very specific lineage. This would > be global...along the lines of a one-name study. It would be a major > undertaking but I think it might be worthwhile if it can provide benefit > to all those many thousands of people researching the Williams surname. > Eighth, I would also like to see an in-depth discussion on > the work and direction needed to begin mapping out the migrations of our > known Williams families. As most of you know, geography plays a BIG > part in our research. A large number of our matched participants don't > know how they connect in the bigger tree...the DNA has said they are > kin...but where in the tree they are is still a mystery. So, I think > that if we can start, say with the 1790 census, and map out all the 2200 > Williams households and move forward in time to determine where they > moved to as well as new immigrations, it could be a tremendous resource > for generations to come. Let's talk about it! > Ok, I am officially tired now....so I will bring this letter > to a close. I want to thank everyone for your continued patience and > faith in me as I do my dog-gonnest to keep this project alive and happy. > I look forward to an exciting year!! > > Best regards, > Adrian > > Adrian Williams > Williams DNA Project Administrator > http://williams.genealogy.fm/ > stickamw@earthlink.net > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1306 - Release Date: 3/1/2008 > 5:41 PM > >

by 1998 they had moved from Liverpool area to cornwall. R1B1c. mine is Henry Williams Thornbury area cordwainer,married an Eliza Blatchford.[Saxon] moved to Barrow-Gurney Somerset and then to New Zealand by 1859

Hi Duncan I have not much on my Williams side as yet, I'm still working with my Vance side of the family. As far as I know about the Williams is that my grandfather's name is Edwin H. Williams his mother is Martha Caldwell and his father is Clinton Williams and he had a brother named Manford and a sister named Lehoma (she married a Cury) thats all I have right now but my grandfather Edwin (everyone called him Tuck) was married to my grandmother Fairie Vance they divorced after 25 years and he married a Vondola surname is either Moxberry or Smith. Hope this helps if this does become a piece of the Willams past hope you can share with me because I do not have much for Williams. Thanks Roger Williams <rdwilliams4@verizon.net> wrote: Hi Duncan, I have been in the Williams DNA Project for the last three years. I have yet to have a match. I'm apparently a direct descendent of Roger Williams of RI. I checked your webb site and found some kin that went into PA. Do you have any information on the Jeremiah Williams who married Amy Knight about 1785 in CT. Thanks, Roger Williams ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Vickie Loyd

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You can find tha chart on my web site. It would not load. Go to http://rea-williams.com Use the "Media" pull down and select "Photos". Duncan Rea Williams -----Original Message----- From: williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cherryc50@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 4:24 PM To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) Did I miss your bio chart? I am attempting to track my Williams line and believe they are Welsh. thanks Connie ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Duncan, I have been in the Williams DNA Project for the last three years. I have yet to have a match. I'm apparently a direct descendent of Roger Williams of RI. I checked your webb site and found some kin that went into PA. Do you have any information on the Jeremiah Williams who married Amy Knight about 1785 in CT. Thanks, Roger Williams

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Steve, It looks as if your Williams line is represented in the Williams DNA project as Group 9. Here's the link: http://williams.genealogy.fm/printable_results.php ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feldhaus, Stephen" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Cc: <feldhaus@comcast.net> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) > Kitsy, > > I have no information on Elisha's siblings other than what Larry has > listed on his web site. The family lore had always been that he had > been an orphan with no siblings, so we have no record of the siblings > listed in the sources Larry uncovered. > > And we have not yet participated in the Williams DNA project. This is a > good excuse to do so, and I will. > > Steve Feldhaus > sf@feldhauslaw.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lollygag > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:44 AM > To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) > > Could you share the information on Elisha's siblings? > What DNA group is represented by his line in the > Williams DNA project? > Kitsy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Feldhaus, Stephen" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> > To: <WILLIAMS-DNA@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Larry Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:39 AM > Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) > > >>I just received word yesterday that my older brother, Larry Feldhaus, >> has uncovered some most interesting and heretofore undiscovered >> information about Elisha Williams (born in NC in 1749, died in TN > 1811). >> If Larry's research is correct, we now know who Elisha Williams' > parents >> were, as well as who his father's ancestors were. I haven't seen any > of >> the supporting source documents, or cross checked any of this against >> the sources in my files, but Larry is a very careful guy, and I think >> there is a high likelihood that he has finally cracked the mystery of >> Elisha's parents. >> >> >> >> You can see all of Larry's work on his web site, >> http://lfeldhaus.tripod.com/holthousefamilygenealogy/id13.html. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/976 - Release Date: 8/27/2007 > 6:20 PM > >

Randy, Many thanks for those insights. We do have paintings of at least one of Elisha's sons. I could send you a photograpgic copy of that if you are interested. Regards, Steve Feldhaus -----Original Message----- From: "Randy Williams" <randywilliams@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:08:35 To:<williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) Thanks for your reply. Not sure whether you will find this relevant to the discussion but it may be interesting to note that Elisha's brother, Isaac, married a Nancy Bunch. She is the daughter of Henry Bunch, b. 1690, and listed as a 'mulatto' landowner and slaveholder in NC records. Also note that the term 'mulatto' had a somewhat different meaning in the 1700's. Rather than defining simply a black-white mixture, the term was used to classify a wide variety of mixed-blood peoples. So the Bunches and others could easily have been mixed-blood Indians and not Africans. Or some combination of both, and/or other admixtures such as Turkish and Portuguese. The Lumbee and Melungeon groups would seem to fit this description. Do you have any photographs of your early Williams ancestors from this Elisha line? Thanks, Randy Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feldhaus, Stephen" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Larry Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) > Randy, > > We have had no reason at all to suspect a mixed ancestry. I would note > that Elisha Williams sent his oldest son, William Williams, to Harvard, > where he graduated in 1798, and to Harvard Law School, where he > graduated in 1801. William Williams' Harvard records show that he was a > signer of Tennessee's Deed of Secession from the Union. Elisha Williams > also send another son, my ancestor, Josiah Frederick Williams, to one of > the first classes as the then newly formed University of North Carolina. > Josiah Frederick Williams then married a prominent woman in Nashville, > and most of their twelve children either were themselves, or were > married to, leading citizens of Nashville in the middle of the 19th > century. It seems to me that it is unlikely that any of this would > have been possible in the South of that time had there been indications > of black ancestry. I can only assume that since Elisha Williams' mother > was described as a mulatto, and his father was white, he must have been > quite light skinned, and that his children were even more so. > > Steve Feldhaus > sf@feldhauslaw.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Randy Williams > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:15 PM > To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) > > Stephen and Larry, > > Also, I was just wondering if you had ever had any reason to suspect > that > you might have come from mixed ancestry before these recent findings. > > Thanks, > Randy Williams > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Feldhaus, Stephen" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> > To: <WILLIAMS-DNA@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Larry Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:39 AM > Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) > > >>I just received word yesterday that my older brother, Larry Feldhaus, >> has uncovered some most interesting and heretofore undiscovered >> information about Elisha Williams (born in NC in 1749, died in TN > 1811). >> If Larry's research is correct, we now know who Elisha Williams' > parents >> were, as well as who his father's ancestors were. I haven't seen any > of >> the supporting source documents, or cross checked any of this against >> the sources in my files, but Larry is a very careful guy, and I think >> there is a high likelihood that he has finally cracked the mystery of >> Elisha's parents. >> >> >> >> You can see all of Larry's work on his web site, >> http://lfeldhaus.tripod.com/holthousefamilygenealogy/id13.html. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/976 - Release Date: > 8/27/2007 >> 6:20 PM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/976 - Release Date: 8/27/2007 > 6:20 PM > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Randy, Your information is very interesting. I am looking for a David Williams who is from the same area. We don't know his parents' names but it is the same approx time period. Eileen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Williams" <randywilliams@verizon.net> To: <sf@feldhauslaw.com>; <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Julie Williams Dixon" <heyjulie@earthlink.net>; "Randal Williams" <randalwilliams@gmail.com>; "phyllis williams" <williams32001@verizon.net>; "Alan Williams" <jawill@mikrotec.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) > Yes, I would be very interested to see that painting. > > There is some possibility that I may be descended from your Elisha's > sister, > Catherine, born 1760. My family has carried the Williams name since the > 1790's when my ancestor, James Williams was born. But recent yDNA tests > seem to indicate that our direct male line goes back to the Martins and > not > the Williams. We think that Catherine Williams may have had at least two > sons by a Martin man but given them the Williams name. They lived in the > area that is now Scott County, Virginia. And we have both photographic > evidence and oral tradition that says we are of some type of mixed-race > heritage. > > So, if I seem particularly interested in your story, these are the > reasons. > My Dad and I have been trying to unravel this mystery for over ten years > now. > > Thanks, > Randy Williams > Blacksburg, Virginia > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Feldhaus" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> > To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Mr. Lawrence B. Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:00 PM > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) > > >> Randy, >> >> Many thanks for those insights. We do have paintings of at least one of >> Elisha's sons. I could send you a photograpgic copy of that if you are >> interested. >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve Feldhaus >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Randy Williams" <randywilliams@verizon.net> >> >> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:08:35 >> To:<williams-dna@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) >> >> >> Thanks for your reply. Not sure whether you will find this relevant to >> the >> discussion but it may be interesting to note that Elisha's brother, >> Isaac, >> married a Nancy Bunch. She is the daughter of Henry Bunch, b. 1690, and >> listed as a 'mulatto' landowner and slaveholder in NC records. >> >> Also note that the term 'mulatto' had a somewhat different meaning in the >> 1700's. Rather than defining simply a black-white mixture, the term was >> used >> to classify a wide variety of mixed-blood peoples. So the Bunches and >> others >> could easily have been mixed-blood Indians and not Africans. Or some >> combination of both, and/or other admixtures such as Turkish and >> Portuguese. >> The Lumbee and Melungeon groups would seem to fit this description. >> >> Do you have any photographs of your early Williams ancestors from this >> Elisha line? >> >> Thanks, >> Randy Williams >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Feldhaus, Stephen" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> >> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> >> Cc: "Larry Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 5:47 AM >> Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) >> >> >>> Randy, >>> >>> We have had no reason at all to suspect a mixed ancestry. I would note >>> that Elisha Williams sent his oldest son, William Williams, to Harvard, >>> where he graduated in 1798, and to Harvard Law School, where he >>> graduated in 1801. William Williams' Harvard records show that he was a >>> signer of Tennessee's Deed of Secession from the Union. Elisha Williams >>> also send another son, my ancestor, Josiah Frederick Williams, to one of >>> the first classes as the then newly formed University of North Carolina. >>> Josiah Frederick Williams then married a prominent woman in Nashville, >>> and most of their twelve children either were themselves, or were >>> married to, leading citizens of Nashville in the middle of the 19th >>> century. It seems to me that it is unlikely that any of this would >>> have been possible in the South of that time had there been indications >>> of black ancestry. I can only assume that since Elisha Williams' mother >>> was described as a mulatto, and his father was white, he must have been >>> quite light skinned, and that his children were even more so. >>> >>> Steve Feldhaus >>> sf@feldhauslaw.com >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Randy Williams >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:15 PM >>> To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) >>> >>> Stephen and Larry, >>> >>> Also, I was just wondering if you had ever had any reason to suspect >>> that >>> you might have come from mixed ancestry before these recent findings. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Randy Williams >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Feldhaus, Stephen" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> >>> To: <WILLIAMS-DNA@rootsweb.com> >>> Cc: "Larry Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:39 AM >>> Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) >>> >>> >>>>I just received word yesterday that my older brother, Larry Feldhaus, >>>> has uncovered some most interesting and heretofore undiscovered >>>> information about Elisha Williams (born in NC in 1749, died in TN >>> 1811). >>>> If Larry's research is correct, we now know who Elisha Williams' >>> parents >>>> were, as well as who his father's ancestors were. I haven't seen any >>> of >>>> the supporting source documents, or cross checked any of this against >>>> the sources in my files, but Larry is a very careful guy, and I think >>>> there is a high likelihood that he has finally cracked the mystery of >>>> Elisha's parents. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You can see all of Larry's work on his web site, >>>> http://lfeldhaus.tripod.com/holthousefamilygenealogy/id13.html. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/976 - Release Date: >>> 8/27/2007 >>>> 6:20 PM >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/976 - Release Date: >>> 8/27/2007 >>> 6:20 PM >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: >> 8/28/2007 >> 4:29 PM >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, One thing to also consider is that many Welsh were very dark skinned then as well as now. I have included a bio chart that shows a bit of this. Duncan Rea Williams -----Original Message----- From: williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of catcoop@bellsouth.net Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:03 PM To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) Hi Steve, Randy and others, I want to concur with Randy's statement that "mulatto" often referred to any dark-skinned, mixed raced persons. I have seen a few people in early 1800s census data marked as mulatto by the census taker when those persons are known to be Native American or another ethnicity. In regards to the Bunch family, there are some good articles about them, the Gibsons, and other related lines. At one time, these families were thought to be of mixed African ancestry, but some researchers have questioned that theory and now think they may have been of Native American descent. If you are interested, search on Google for those names. For those interested, the following online book provides some very good information on early laws (particularly in VA) regarding mulattos: http://www.fullbooks.com/A-Social-History-of-the-American-Negro1.html Marty Grant gives a brief - yet good- explanation of race in early census data at the following site: http://www.martygrant.com/gen/origins/race-codes.htm The Library of Congress also has some good information regarding colonial law and mulattos: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/awhhtml/awlaw3/slavery.html Good luck in your research of Elisha Williams' ancestry. Catherine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Williams" <randywilliams@verizon.net> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) > Thanks for your reply. Not sure whether you will find this relevant to the > discussion but it may be interesting to note that Elisha's brother, Isaac, > married a Nancy Bunch. She is the daughter of Henry Bunch, b. 1690, and > listed as a 'mulatto' landowner and slaveholder in NC records. > > Also note that the term 'mulatto' had a somewhat different meaning in the > 1700's. Rather than defining simply a black-white mixture, the term was > used > to classify a wide variety of mixed-blood peoples. So the Bunches and > others > could easily have been mixed-blood Indians and not Africans. Or some > combination of both, and/or other admixtures such as Turkish and > Portuguese. > The Lumbee and Melungeon groups would seem to fit this description. > > Do you have any photographs of your early Williams ancestors from this > Elisha line? > > Thanks, > Randy Williams > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Feldhaus, Stephen" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> > To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Larry Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 5:47 AM > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) > > >> Randy, >> >> We have had no reason at all to suspect a mixed ancestry. I would note >> that Elisha Williams sent his oldest son, William Williams, to Harvard, >> where he graduated in 1798, and to Harvard Law School, where he >> graduated in 1801. William Williams' Harvard records show that he was a >> signer of Tennessee's Deed of Secession from the Union. Elisha Williams >> also send another son, my ancestor, Josiah Frederick Williams, to one of >> the first classes as the then newly formed University of North Carolina. >> Josiah Frederick Williams then married a prominent woman in Nashville, >> and most of their twelve children either were themselves, or were >> married to, leading citizens of Nashville in the middle of the 19th >> century. It seems to me that it is unlikely that any of this would >> have been possible in the South of that time had there been indications >> of black ancestry. I can only assume that since Elisha Williams' mother >> was described as a mulatto, and his father was white, he must have been >> quite light skinned, and that his children were even more so. >> >> Steve Feldhaus >> sf@feldhauslaw.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Randy Williams >> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:15 PM >> To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) >> >> Stephen and Larry, >> >> Also, I was just wondering if you had ever had any reason to suspect >> that >> you might have come from mixed ancestry before these recent findings. >> >> Thanks, >> Randy Williams >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Feldhaus, Stephen" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> >> To: <WILLIAMS-DNA@rootsweb.com> >> Cc: "Larry Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:39 AM >> Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) >> >> >>>I just received word yesterday that my older brother, Larry Feldhaus, >>> has uncovered some most interesting and heretofore undiscovered >>> information about Elisha Williams (born in NC in 1749, died in TN >> 1811). >>> If Larry's research is correct, we now know who Elisha Williams' >> parents >>> were, as well as who his father's ancestors were. I haven't seen any >> of >>> the supporting source documents, or cross checked any of this against >>> the sources in my files, but Larry is a very careful guy, and I think >>> there is a high likelihood that he has finally cracked the mystery of >>> Elisha's parents. >>> >>> >>> >>> You can see all of Larry's work on his web site, >>> http://lfeldhaus.tripod.com/holthousefamilygenealogy/id13.html. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/976 - Release Date: >> 8/27/2007 >>> 6:20 PM >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/976 - Release Date: >> 8/27/2007 >> 6:20 PM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Steve, Randy and others, I want to concur with Randy's statement that "mulatto" often referred to any dark-skinned, mixed raced persons. I have seen a few people in early 1800s census data marked as mulatto by the census taker when those persons are known to be Native American or another ethnicity. In regards to the Bunch family, there are some good articles about them, the Gibsons, and other related lines. At one time, these families were thought to be of mixed African ancestry, but some researchers have questioned that theory and now think they may have been of Native American descent. If you are interested, search on Google for those names. For those interested, the following online book provides some very good information on early laws (particularly in VA) regarding mulattos: http://www.fullbooks.com/A-Social-History-of-the-American-Negro1.html Marty Grant gives a brief - yet good- explanation of race in early census data at the following site: http://www.martygrant.com/gen/origins/race-codes.htm The Library of Congress also has some good information regarding colonial law and mulattos: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/awhhtml/awlaw3/slavery.html Good luck in your research of Elisha Williams' ancestry. Catherine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Williams" <randywilliams@verizon.net> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) > Thanks for your reply. Not sure whether you will find this relevant to the > discussion but it may be interesting to note that Elisha's brother, Isaac, > married a Nancy Bunch. She is the daughter of Henry Bunch, b. 1690, and > listed as a 'mulatto' landowner and slaveholder in NC records. > > Also note that the term 'mulatto' had a somewhat different meaning in the > 1700's. Rather than defining simply a black-white mixture, the term was > used > to classify a wide variety of mixed-blood peoples. So the Bunches and > others > could easily have been mixed-blood Indians and not Africans. Or some > combination of both, and/or other admixtures such as Turkish and > Portuguese. > The Lumbee and Melungeon groups would seem to fit this description. > > Do you have any photographs of your early Williams ancestors from this > Elisha line? > > Thanks, > Randy Williams > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Feldhaus, Stephen" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> > To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Larry Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 5:47 AM > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) > > >> Randy, >> >> We have had no reason at all to suspect a mixed ancestry. I would note >> that Elisha Williams sent his oldest son, William Williams, to Harvard, >> where he graduated in 1798, and to Harvard Law School, where he >> graduated in 1801. William Williams' Harvard records show that he was a >> signer of Tennessee's Deed of Secession from the Union. Elisha Williams >> also send another son, my ancestor, Josiah Frederick Williams, to one of >> the first classes as the then newly formed University of North Carolina. >> Josiah Frederick Williams then married a prominent woman in Nashville, >> and most of their twelve children either were themselves, or were >> married to, leading citizens of Nashville in the middle of the 19th >> century. It seems to me that it is unlikely that any of this would >> have been possible in the South of that time had there been indications >> of black ancestry. I can only assume that since Elisha Williams' mother >> was described as a mulatto, and his father was white, he must have been >> quite light skinned, and that his children were even more so. >> >> Steve Feldhaus >> sf@feldhauslaw.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Randy Williams >> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:15 PM >> To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) >> >> Stephen and Larry, >> >> Also, I was just wondering if you had ever had any reason to suspect >> that >> you might have come from mixed ancestry before these recent findings. >> >> Thanks, >> Randy Williams >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Feldhaus, Stephen" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> >> To: <WILLIAMS-DNA@rootsweb.com> >> Cc: "Larry Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:39 AM >> Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) >> >> >>>I just received word yesterday that my older brother, Larry Feldhaus, >>> has uncovered some most interesting and heretofore undiscovered >>> information about Elisha Williams (born in NC in 1749, died in TN >> 1811). >>> If Larry's research is correct, we now know who Elisha Williams' >> parents >>> were, as well as who his father's ancestors were. I haven't seen any >> of >>> the supporting source documents, or cross checked any of this against >>> the sources in my files, but Larry is a very careful guy, and I think >>> there is a high likelihood that he has finally cracked the mystery of >>> Elisha's parents. >>> >>> >>> >>> You can see all of Larry's work on his web site, >>> http://lfeldhaus.tripod.com/holthousefamilygenealogy/id13.html. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/976 - Release Date: >> 8/27/2007 >>> 6:20 PM >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/976 - Release Date: >> 8/27/2007 >> 6:20 PM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, I would be very interested to see that painting. There is some possibility that I may be descended from your Elisha's sister, Catherine, born 1760. My family has carried the Williams name since the 1790's when my ancestor, James Williams was born. But recent yDNA tests seem to indicate that our direct male line goes back to the Martins and not the Williams. We think that Catherine Williams may have had at least two sons by a Martin man but given them the Williams name. They lived in the area that is now Scott County, Virginia. And we have both photographic evidence and oral tradition that says we are of some type of mixed-race heritage. So, if I seem particularly interested in your story, these are the reasons. My Dad and I have been trying to unravel this mystery for over ten years now. Thanks, Randy Williams Blacksburg, Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Feldhaus" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Mr. Lawrence B. Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) > Randy, > > Many thanks for those insights. We do have paintings of at least one of > Elisha's sons. I could send you a photograpgic copy of that if you are > interested. > > Regards, > > Steve Feldhaus > -----Original Message----- > From: "Randy Williams" <randywilliams@verizon.net> > > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:08:35 > To:<williams-dna@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) > > > Thanks for your reply. Not sure whether you will find this relevant to the > discussion but it may be interesting to note that Elisha's brother, Isaac, > married a Nancy Bunch. She is the daughter of Henry Bunch, b. 1690, and > listed as a 'mulatto' landowner and slaveholder in NC records. > > Also note that the term 'mulatto' had a somewhat different meaning in the > 1700's. Rather than defining simply a black-white mixture, the term was > used > to classify a wide variety of mixed-blood peoples. So the Bunches and > others > could easily have been mixed-blood Indians and not Africans. Or some > combination of both, and/or other admixtures such as Turkish and > Portuguese. > The Lumbee and Melungeon groups would seem to fit this description. > > Do you have any photographs of your early Williams ancestors from this > Elisha line? > > Thanks, > Randy Williams > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Feldhaus, Stephen" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> > To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Larry Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 5:47 AM > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) > > >> Randy, >> >> We have had no reason at all to suspect a mixed ancestry. I would note >> that Elisha Williams sent his oldest son, William Williams, to Harvard, >> where he graduated in 1798, and to Harvard Law School, where he >> graduated in 1801. William Williams' Harvard records show that he was a >> signer of Tennessee's Deed of Secession from the Union. Elisha Williams >> also send another son, my ancestor, Josiah Frederick Williams, to one of >> the first classes as the then newly formed University of North Carolina. >> Josiah Frederick Williams then married a prominent woman in Nashville, >> and most of their twelve children either were themselves, or were >> married to, leading citizens of Nashville in the middle of the 19th >> century. It seems to me that it is unlikely that any of this would >> have been possible in the South of that time had there been indications >> of black ancestry. I can only assume that since Elisha Williams' mother >> was described as a mulatto, and his father was white, he must have been >> quite light skinned, and that his children were even more so. >> >> Steve Feldhaus >> sf@feldhauslaw.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:williams-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Randy Williams >> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:15 PM >> To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) >> >> Stephen and Larry, >> >> Also, I was just wondering if you had ever had any reason to suspect >> that >> you might have come from mixed ancestry before these recent findings. >> >> Thanks, >> Randy Williams >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Feldhaus, Stephen" <sf@feldhauslaw.com> >> To: <WILLIAMS-DNA@rootsweb.com> >> Cc: "Larry Feldhaus" <feldhaus@comcast.net> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:39 AM >> Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Elisha Williams 1749(NC)-1811(TN) >> >> >>>I just received word yesterday that my older brother, Larry Feldhaus, >>> has uncovered some most interesting and heretofore undiscovered >>> information about Elisha Williams (born in NC in 1749, died in TN >> 1811). >>> If Larry's research is correct, we now know who Elisha Williams' >> parents >>> were, as well as who his father's ancestors were. I haven't seen any >> of >>> the supporting source documents, or cross checked any of this against >>> the sources in my files, but Larry is a very careful guy, and I think >>> there is a high likelihood that he has finally cracked the mystery of >>> Elisha's parents. >>> >>> >>> >>> You can see all of Larry's work on his web site, >>> http://lfeldhaus.tripod.com/holthousefamilygenealogy/id13.html. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/976 - Release Date: >> 8/27/2007 >>> 6:20 PM >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/976 - Release Date: >> 8/27/2007 >> 6:20 PM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: 8/28/2007 > 4:29 PM >