I just went to my FTDNA personal page, and my results are gone! I had upgraded to the 67 marker test a while back, and everything seemed fine. My results matched 66 of 67 with those of my known cousins. The following message was on my page: Your test is waiting for your C/D kit to be returned so that testing may resume. We cannot complete this testing without the additional samples. If you have not received your C/D kit please email support@familytreedna.com with your kit number. A new date for results will be assigned once we receive your samples. The above are 'targets' dates provided used by the lab. Actual dates may vary due to the number of kits in your batch, as well as the need to re-run the sample. If you have ordered an extended Y-DNA test you'll most likely receive the first 12 markers back followed in a few days by the next set of 13 markers. Quality Control is very strict about 2 sets of eyes confirming every score. This takes a little longer, but it also dramatically reduces the chance that an incorrect score is reported! If more than a week went by from the targeted date without your results being posted, it means that most probably we did not get a result on the first pass during the sequencing process. From our lab's experience this happens in about 10 - 15% of the times. This can be caused by a number of factors, such as a poor scrape, or a marker may produce a "dual peak" where a single peak is expected. In all of these cases we will re-run the entire sequence from the same DNA that was extracted from vial A. This will produce a complete new set of scores for your sample. The two sets are compared, and the geneticist makes a determination. If once again the results are incomplete we then extract the DNA from vial B and start the above process again. The lack of results after this series of attempts (2 from vial A and 2 from vial B) will prompt us to send you a new kit (free of charge) for a new scraping, as the initial samples didn't give the lab enough quality DNA to work from. Although this adds to the delivery time, it ensures that we report accurate results, so please bear with us as in the final analysis accuracy is far more important than speed. I emailed FTDNA support to see what's going on. Seems like I would have at least received an email to let me know something was amiss. Anyone ever had anything like this happen with familytreedna? Weird.

Paul, Not exactly the same info, but I had a tester disappear from our project once and he, I nor anyone else removed him. Just came up missing. He received no messages, but just couldn't find himself one day. I wrote to FTDNA to explain; they wrote him to confirm he wanted in the project and it was corrected. FTDNA has great service, but computer glitches from time to time. SO...you should hear from them within 24 to 48 hours on this. Best wishes, Emily Tester: Daniel F. Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul williams" <bossman9@gmail.com> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] familytreedna weirdness >I just went to my FTDNA personal page, and my results are gone! I had > upgraded to the 67 marker test a while back, and everything seemed > fine. My results matched 66 of 67 with those of my known cousins. The > following message was on my page: > > Your test is waiting for your C/D kit to be returned so that testing > may resume. We cannot complete this testing without the additional > samples. If you have not received your C/D kit please email > support@familytreedna.com with your kit number. A new date for results > will be assigned once we receive your samples. > > > The above are 'targets' dates provided used by the lab. Actual dates > may vary due to the number of kits in your batch, as well as the need > to re-run the sample. > > If you have ordered an extended Y-DNA test you'll most likely receive > the first 12 markers back followed in a few days by the next set of 13 > markers. Quality Control is very strict about 2 sets of eyes > confirming every score. This takes a little longer, but it also > dramatically reduces the chance that an incorrect score is reported! > > If more than a week went by from the targeted date without your > results being posted, it means that most probably we did not get a > result on the first pass during the sequencing process. From our lab's > experience this happens in about 10 - 15% of the times. > > This can be caused by a number of factors, such as a poor scrape, or a > marker may produce a "dual peak" where a single peak is expected. > > In all of these cases we will re-run the entire sequence from the same > DNA that was extracted from vial A. This will produce a complete new > set of scores for your sample. The two sets are compared, and the > geneticist makes a determination. If once again the results are > incomplete we then extract the DNA from vial B and start the above > process again. > > The lack of results after this series of attempts (2 from vial A and 2 > from vial B) will prompt us to send you a new kit (free of charge) for > a new scraping, as the initial samples didn't give the lab enough > quality DNA to work from. > > Although this adds to the delivery time, it ensures that we report > accurate results, so please bear with us as in the final analysis > accuracy is far more important than speed. > > I emailed FTDNA support to see what's going on. Seems like I would > have at least received an email to let me know something was amiss. > Anyone ever had anything like this happen with familytreedna? Weird. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1544 - Release Date: 7/10/2008 > 7:37 AM > > >

I unsubscribed to this list, because my email got flooded daily with emails from people who thought that I was suppose to be sending out some information on this. So I have no idea of what is going on with that site. Please do not include this email address in any forwards regarding this subject. Thank You. Brenda Daniels <bdaniels1@woh.rr.com> wrote: I have not seen a email for this list williams-dna@rootsweb.com in over a month. I went to http://williams.genealogy.fm/ there I found a new update and new host www.williamsgenealogy.org for Williams Genealogy. When I click on the link it goes to One Great Family. Can I get feed back one this subject. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have not seen a email for this list williams-dna@rootsweb.com in over a month. I went to http://williams.genealogy.fm/ there I found a new update and new host www.williamsgenealogy.org for Williams Genealogy. When I click on the link it goes to One Great Family. Can I get feed back one this subject.

Loraine, Yes I would. You know the process goes back male, male, male & etc.? Vic Loraine Magee <lrmagee44@wavecable.com> wrote: Williams folks, we are anxiously awaiting grandson Michaels DNA, in 4-6 weeks. He is obviously ethnically mixed. I would be glad to send a picure by email if anyone wanted to take some guesses, Loraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "V Williams" To: ; Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] query > So, group # 2 who is our new match? > > Alg22@aol.com wrote: so, my fellow williamses, are we melungeons? black > and white and red? i > always thought my father looked like a black indian. > > if true, this comes as no surprise. has dna proven it? williams is listed > as one of the commonly found melungeon names. thoughts? > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Williams folks, we are anxiously awaiting grandson Michaels DNA, in 4-6 weeks. He is obviously ethnically mixed. I would be glad to send a picure by email if anyone wanted to take some guesses, Loraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "V Williams" <m5x95@sbcglobal.net> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com>; <WILLIAMS-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] query > So, group # 2 who is our new match? > > Alg22@aol.com wrote: so, my fellow williamses, are we melungeons? black > and white and red? i > always thought my father looked like a black indian. > > if true, this comes as no surprise. has dna proven it? williams is listed > as one of the commonly found melungeon names. thoughts? > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Beats me ????? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: V Williams <m5x95@sbcglobal.net> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:33:43 To:williams-dna@rootsweb.com, WILLIAMS-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] query So, group # 2 who is our new match? Alg22@aol.com wrote: so, my fellow williamses, are we melungeons? black and white and red? i always thought my father looked like a black indian. if true, this comes as no surprise. has dna proven it? williams is listed as one of the commonly found melungeon names. thoughts? **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So, group # 2 who is our new match? Alg22@aol.com wrote: so, my fellow williamses, are we melungeons? black and white and red? i always thought my father looked like a black indian. if true, this comes as no surprise. has dna proven it? williams is listed as one of the commonly found melungeon names. thoughts? **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Dutch are a unique people. They may speak a Germanic language, but a y-Chromosome haplogroup chart of Europe shows them having a distinct high concentration of R1b (similar to the British/Irish Isles and the Iberian peninsula.) It is my conjecture that they were also western European aboriginals, that were pushed into the marshes of Holland by the R1a German tribes of late prehistory. Like the majority of Britons today, the Dutch took on the Germanic language of their overlords. This does create some haziness to the genetic makeup of the Anglo-Saxons who are often only identified as R1a. Many of the Anglo-Saxon invaders are believed to have set off from these coastal marshlands of Holland, Flanders, and the Netherlands. No doubt many acculturated R1b's could have been part of it. That may be why researchers are astounded by the relative low density of the R1a in England. I would be interested in knowing the popularity of the name William was among ethnic Anglo-Saxons, after the invasion of England by William, the Norman Conquerer in 1066. Last names did not become popular to after the 1300's in England. According to reports the popularity of the given name in England skyrocketed after the Norman invasion. So perhaps, if your surname is Williams and you tested as a R1a, your paternal lineage may not come from the Anglo-Saxons. Instead you may be from the Normans, who were Vikings that settled in Normandy, that took French speaking wives. That is also why we don't write in Old English (an German dialect) but modern English which is a blend (Creole, so to speak) with Norman French. I know I am off on a tangent regarding Williams DNA, but it is important to know the complexities and try to understand the big picture of where our ancestors originated. Although my direct paternal line is R1b, like anyone from Britania-Hibernia isles and America, we are a blend of many origins. (And I too am a descendant of a mulatto woman, a child of a Quaker plantation owner. He raised her as his daughter and that line faded into white, just like some of the descendants of Thomas Jefferson's family. I think it was more common than is recognized. Literally thousands of white Americans are descendants of blacks and do not know it. That line of my family was from Maryland, was Anglo-Norman and not ancestral to my Welsh Williams line. However one of my Williams cousins did marry a black Williams, and they have been together for many years now, raising a fine daughter.) --Scott Williams -----Original Message----- >From: williams-dna-request@rootsweb.com >Sent: Mar 29, 2008 3:02 AM >To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com >Subject: WILLIAMS-DNA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 13 >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Diana Williams" <dianaindallas@sbcglobal.net> >To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:08 PM >Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Boe - any dates ?? > > >> This post was extremely well put. You gave true history that is rarely >mentioned. >> Diana >> >> Boe Williams <ccshoes@bellsouth.net> wrote: I didn't mean to imply that >the Germans from Germany were there. The native >> Dutch were Germanic ( Teutonic) people. The native Dutch mixed with the

Seeking ancestors of John Floyd Williams b. 1828 GA or NC, d. April 5, 1863 Vicksburg, MS. 1850 census in Jackson County GA. John Floyd's sister Amanda Lenora Williams married Luke Turner Watkins Married Keturah Margaret Coleman b. 1830 Laurens County, SC daughter of Allen Coleman and Anna Finley Children of John Floyd and Keturah Dollie Susan Williams b. 1852 GA d. 1852 GA Emmett Reynolds Williams b. 1853 GA d. 1917 MS Alonzo Allen Williams b. 1854/57 GA d. 1937 TX John Morgan Williams b. 1861 GA d. 1930's GA Have some info on possible ancestors of John Floyd but not sure it is correct

Hello again, Thank you for reponding to my query. I didn't explain myself well. John L Williams was 21 in 1962. His son Derek was born June 14, 1962 in Mobile ,Alabama . Derek is the father of my grandson, Michael. Derek's mother has died, so there is very little known about"johnnie" He was out of Derek's life shortly after the birth. I do know that he did not die in Vietnam, he was in the 101st airborne in the 1960's. No one seems to know where he was born or when. I am hoping for a match to michaels DNA, we asked for 67 markers. Loraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "N & K Chestnut" <nkopportunity@gorge.net> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Loraine MAGEE > Loraine, > Can you give us any more information on your Grandson? > His name is Derek WILLIAMS. Is that correct? > He was born in 1962. Is that correct? > He was born in Mobile, Alabama. Is that correct? > > Kay Chestnut > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Loraine Magee > To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Williams Melugeons > > > Hello folks, I am new to this list. We are looking for my grandson's > grandfather. He is or was John L. Williams and he was 21 yrs. old in > 1962. > AT that time he was in Mobile Alabama, when he became the father of Derek > Williams. He was in the Army. J W is african american and may be > Native > american also. My grandson cetainly appears to be african/ native > american > and White.Any help with this line would be appreciated. Loraine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Boe Williams" <ccshoes@bellsouth.net> > To: "ShowMeMule@earthlink.net" <showmemule@earthlink.net>; > <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:34 AM > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Williams Melugeons > > > > The Union did some very heavy and successful recruiting in Northeast > > Arkansas.. > > > > The Williams surname is found among the Melungeons, the Black Water > Creeks > > form Northwest Florida, the Brass Ancles from the Edisto River area of > SC > > and the Lumbees from Robeson Co. NC and adjacent area. All of these > people > > seem to be related and seem to be tri-racial. DNA shows them with > > Turkish, > > Shepardic Jew, Portugese, Spanish, American Indian, African and > Northern > > European ancestry and most anyone else who may have been shipwrecked > off > > of > > the Outer Banks. One theory is that the Lumbees ( Croatans) are also > > descended from Raleigh's Lost Colony. > > > > Boe Williams > > > > North Georgeia, Tenn, NC, ( Southern Appalachia) did have a lot of > > European > > and Amrican Indian mixture. There was also some Creek- Whites from > > Barbour > > and Henry Co Al who remained behind when the Creeks were moved west. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "ShowMeMule@earthlink.net" <showmemule@earthlink.net> > > To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Williams Melugeons > > > > > >> Regarding Indian-European relations, I do know my ggg grandfather John > > Williams, Jr.'s 2nd wife was a Cherokee-Delware Indian ancestry. I > can't > > say > > she was pure blood aboriginal American though. She was a widow, Nancy > > Byrams, and they were married abt 1840 in Bedford Co., TN. Family > > tradition > > says her Indian name was, "Red Oak". Descendents of children from this > > 2nd > > marriage were reported to have migrated to Oklahoma on were supposed > > listed > > Cherokee tribal rolls according to elder (now decesased members of my > > family). I have never checked into that to confirm it. > >> > >> I also have seen a photo of a civil war soldier from Arkansas (but > born > >> in > > either Tennessee or North Carolina) that was a Cherokee and his last > name > > was curiously also John Williams. He looked more Indian than European. > > According to the article he was a devote Unionist, which was a bit > > surprising. Unfotunately I sent the picture (was printed in back issue > of > > Civil War Times) to a relative and I cannot locate the issue it was > > printed. > >> > >> --Scott Williams > >> Group #12 > >> Early Descendants of John Williams, "The Wealthy Welshman" > >> of Hanover County, Virginia. Born 1679, Llangollen, Wales. > >> http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/williams/ > >> > >> >Message: 1 > >> >Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:57:08 EDT > >> >From: Alg22@aol.com > >> >Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] query > >> >To: WILLIAMS-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > >> >Message-ID: <c87.27fafb89.3517ada4@aol.com> > >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >> > > >> >so, my fellow williamses, are we melungeons? black and white and > red? > > i > >> >always thought my father looked like a black indian. > >> > > >> >if true, this comes as no surprise. has dna proven it? williams is > > listed > >> >as one of the commonly found melungeon names. thoughts? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > >> Checked by AVG. > >> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7 - Release Date: 3/8/2008 > >> 12:00 > > AM > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am not sure how the Melungeons are determining that they are Turkish, Spanish, and Portuguese. Most Williams' originate from Wales or the adjacent areas of England where the island's aboriginal inhabitants sought refuge from invading Germanic tribes. So most Williams' have the same R1b "recent ancestry" of the majority of Spaniards and Portuguese. And a look at the Y-chromosome haplogroup distribution in Turkey shows a significant number of Turks are also R1b as well (perhaps descendents of Galicia, who came there as mercenaries in ancient times). In Britain the Welsh are generally considered of darker complexion than most other areas (partially from lesser Viking or Germanic influence), although there are plenty of fair Welsh as well. In Ireland, the darker complexion is sometimes seen, black or dark hair--"black Irish"). Catherine Zeta Jones is of Welsh-Irish descent and is a good representive of the dark beauty of the ancient inhabitants of Wales, Britain and Ireland. That's not denying the claim that Melungeons are likely descendants of Spanish, American Indian or African descent. For instance, my ggg granduncle, Maj. Tilman Dixon (Dickson), the uncle-in-law of my ggg grandfather John Williams, Jr., was tasked in 1782 by the State of North Carolina to investigate the area now known as Tennessee for "bounty lands for it's soldiers along the Cumberland River". In addition to Dixon, elected were Lt. Col. Selby Harney, Maj. John Nelson, Capt. Alexander Brevard and Dr. Thomas Bull. Bull was "included in the party, not only for his medical skills but because he could speak Spanish fluently and much of the land to be surveyed was along the borders of land where Spanish-speaking people resided.". Tillman Dixon, by the way married Maria Don Carlos, and their first child was Americus Vespucius Dixon. So yes, there was Spanish settlers in Tennessee. But genetics are complicated since persons of aboriginal Briton-Hibernian origins may have similiar genetics of recent prehistory. If one has not gone deeper than the 12-marker test, that is the only way to seriously explore relations in the last few hundred years. I highly recommend 37 markers to everyone, if they have not gone that far. Hope this helps and does not confuse anyone more. --Scott Williams, Maj. Tilman Dixon, Patriot, Soldier, Explorer, and Pioneer http://www.stlouistimeportal.com/dixon/tilman2.html Early Descendants of John Williams, "The Wealthy Welshman" of Hanover County, Virginia. Born 1679, Llangollen, Wales. http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/williams/ Lt. Col. Henry Dixon, NC Continental Line, Killed in Action, 1782 http://www.stlouistimeportal.com/dixon/ >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:34:58 -0500 >From: "Boe Williams" <ccshoes@bellsouth.net> >Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Williams Melugeons >To: "ShowMeMule@earthlink.net" <showmemule@earthlink.net>, > <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <001f01c89017$bbca1610$1200a8c0@boe> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >The Union did some very heavy and successful recruiting in Northeast >Arkansas.. > >The Williams surname is found among the Melungeons, the Black Water Creeks >form Northwest Florida, the Brass Ancles from the Edisto River area of SC >and the Lumbees from Robeson Co. NC and adjacent area. All of these people >seem to be related and seem to be tri-racial. DNA shows them with Turkish, >Shepardic Jew, Portugese, Spanish, American Indian, African and Northern >European ancestry and most anyone else who may have been shipwrecked off of >the Outer Banks. One theory is that the Lumbees ( Croatans) are also >descended from Raleigh's Lost Colony. > >Boe Williams > >North Georgeia, Tenn, NC, ( Southern Appalachia) did have a lot of European >and Amrican Indian mixture. There was also some Creek- Whites from Barbour >and Henry Co Al who remained behind when the Creeks were moved west.

Hi Loraine I'm sending you a private message, if you don't get it contact me. Doris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loraine Magee" <lrmagee44@wavecable.com> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Williams Melugeons > Hello folks, I am new to this list. We are looking for my grandson's > grandfather. He is or was John L. Williams and he was 21 yrs. old in > 1962. > AT that time he was in Mobile Alabama, when he became the father of Derek > Williams. He was in the Army. J W is african american and may be Native > american also. My grandson cetainly appears to be african/ native > american > and White.Any help with this line would be appreciated. Loraine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Boe Williams" <ccshoes@bellsouth.net> > To: "ShowMeMule@earthlink.net" <showmemule@earthlink.net>; > <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:34 AM > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Williams Melugeons > > >> The Union did some very heavy and successful recruiting in Northeast >> Arkansas.. >> >> The Williams surname is found among the Melungeons, the Black Water >> Creeks >> form Northwest Florida, the Brass Ancles from the Edisto River area of SC >> and the Lumbees from Robeson Co. NC and adjacent area. All of these >> people >> seem to be related and seem to be tri-racial. DNA shows them with >> Turkish, >> Shepardic Jew, Portugese, Spanish, American Indian, African and Northern >> European ancestry and most anyone else who may have been shipwrecked off >> of >> the Outer Banks. One theory is that the Lumbees ( Croatans) are also >> descended from Raleigh's Lost Colony. >> >> Boe Williams >> >> North Georgeia, Tenn, NC, ( Southern Appalachia) did have a lot of >> European >> and Amrican Indian mixture. There was also some Creek- Whites from >> Barbour >> and Henry Co Al who remained behind when the Creeks were moved west. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "ShowMeMule@earthlink.net" <showmemule@earthlink.net> >> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Williams Melugeons >> >> >>> Regarding Indian-European relations, I do know my ggg grandfather John >> Williams, Jr.'s 2nd wife was a Cherokee-Delware Indian ancestry. I can't >> say >> she was pure blood aboriginal American though. She was a widow, Nancy >> Byrams, and they were married abt 1840 in Bedford Co., TN. Family >> tradition >> says her Indian name was, "Red Oak". Descendents of children from this >> 2nd >> marriage were reported to have migrated to Oklahoma on were supposed >> listed >> Cherokee tribal rolls according to elder (now decesased members of my >> family). I have never checked into that to confirm it. >>> >>> I also have seen a photo of a civil war soldier from Arkansas (but born >>> in >> either Tennessee or North Carolina) that was a Cherokee and his last name >> was curiously also John Williams. He looked more Indian than European. >> According to the article he was a devote Unionist, which was a bit >> surprising. Unfotunately I sent the picture (was printed in back issue of >> Civil War Times) to a relative and I cannot locate the issue it was >> printed. >>> >>> --Scott Williams >>> Group #12 >>> Early Descendants of John Williams, "The Wealthy Welshman" >>> of Hanover County, Virginia. Born 1679, Llangollen, Wales. >>> http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/williams/ >>> >>> >Message: 1 >>> >Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:57:08 EDT >>> >From: Alg22@aol.com >>> >Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] query >>> >To: WILLIAMS-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>> >Message-ID: <c87.27fafb89.3517ada4@aol.com> >>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >>> > >>> >so, my fellow williamses, are we melungeons? black and white and red? >> i >>> >always thought my father looked like a black indian. >>> > >>> >if true, this comes as no surprise. has dna proven it? williams is >> listed >>> >as one of the commonly found melungeon names. thoughts? >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7 - Release Date: 3/8/2008 >>> 12:00 >> AM >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Williams" <dianaindallas@sbcglobal.net> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Boe - any dates ?? > This post was extremely well put. You gave true history that is rarely mentioned. > Diana > > Boe Williams <ccshoes@bellsouth.net> wrote: I didn't mean to imply that the Germans from Germany were there. The native > Dutch were Germanic ( Teutonic) people. The native Dutch mixed with the > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7 - Release Date: 3/8/2008 12:00 AM > >

Loraine, Can you give us any more information on your Grandson? His name is Derek WILLIAMS. Is that correct? He was born in 1962. Is that correct? He was born in Mobile, Alabama. Is that correct? Kay Chestnut ----- Original Message ----- From: Loraine Magee To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Williams Melugeons Hello folks, I am new to this list. We are looking for my grandson's grandfather. He is or was John L. Williams and he was 21 yrs. old in 1962. AT that time he was in Mobile Alabama, when he became the father of Derek Williams. He was in the Army. J W is african american and may be Native american also. My grandson cetainly appears to be african/ native american and White.Any help with this line would be appreciated. Loraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boe Williams" <ccshoes@bellsouth.net> To: "ShowMeMule@earthlink.net" <showmemule@earthlink.net>; <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Williams Melugeons > The Union did some very heavy and successful recruiting in Northeast > Arkansas.. > > The Williams surname is found among the Melungeons, the Black Water Creeks > form Northwest Florida, the Brass Ancles from the Edisto River area of SC > and the Lumbees from Robeson Co. NC and adjacent area. All of these people > seem to be related and seem to be tri-racial. DNA shows them with > Turkish, > Shepardic Jew, Portugese, Spanish, American Indian, African and Northern > European ancestry and most anyone else who may have been shipwrecked off > of > the Outer Banks. One theory is that the Lumbees ( Croatans) are also > descended from Raleigh's Lost Colony. > > Boe Williams > > North Georgeia, Tenn, NC, ( Southern Appalachia) did have a lot of > European > and Amrican Indian mixture. There was also some Creek- Whites from > Barbour > and Henry Co Al who remained behind when the Creeks were moved west. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ShowMeMule@earthlink.net" <showmemule@earthlink.net> > To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Williams Melugeons > > >> Regarding Indian-European relations, I do know my ggg grandfather John > Williams, Jr.'s 2nd wife was a Cherokee-Delware Indian ancestry. I can't > say > she was pure blood aboriginal American though. She was a widow, Nancy > Byrams, and they were married abt 1840 in Bedford Co., TN. Family > tradition > says her Indian name was, "Red Oak". Descendents of children from this > 2nd > marriage were reported to have migrated to Oklahoma on were supposed > listed > Cherokee tribal rolls according to elder (now decesased members of my > family). I have never checked into that to confirm it. >> >> I also have seen a photo of a civil war soldier from Arkansas (but born >> in > either Tennessee or North Carolina) that was a Cherokee and his last name > was curiously also John Williams. He looked more Indian than European. > According to the article he was a devote Unionist, which was a bit > surprising. Unfotunately I sent the picture (was printed in back issue of > Civil War Times) to a relative and I cannot locate the issue it was > printed. >> >> --Scott Williams >> Group #12 >> Early Descendants of John Williams, "The Wealthy Welshman" >> of Hanover County, Virginia. Born 1679, Llangollen, Wales. >> http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/williams/ >> >> >Message: 1 >> >Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:57:08 EDT >> >From: Alg22@aol.com >> >Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] query >> >To: WILLIAMS-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >> >Message-ID: <c87.27fafb89.3517ada4@aol.com> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> > >> >so, my fellow williamses, are we melungeons? black and white and red? > i >> >always thought my father looked like a black indian. >> > >> >if true, this comes as no surprise. has dna proven it? williams is > listed >> >as one of the commonly found melungeon names. thoughts? >> > >> > >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7 - Release Date: 3/8/2008 >> 12:00 > AM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello folks, I am new to this list. We are looking for my grandson's grandfather. He is or was John L. Williams and he was 21 yrs. old in 1962. AT that time he was in Mobile Alabama, when he became the father of Derek Williams. He was in the Army. J W is african american and may be Native american also. My grandson cetainly appears to be african/ native american and White.Any help with this line would be appreciated. Loraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boe Williams" <ccshoes@bellsouth.net> To: "ShowMeMule@earthlink.net" <showmemule@earthlink.net>; <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Williams Melugeons > The Union did some very heavy and successful recruiting in Northeast > Arkansas.. > > The Williams surname is found among the Melungeons, the Black Water Creeks > form Northwest Florida, the Brass Ancles from the Edisto River area of SC > and the Lumbees from Robeson Co. NC and adjacent area. All of these people > seem to be related and seem to be tri-racial. DNA shows them with > Turkish, > Shepardic Jew, Portugese, Spanish, American Indian, African and Northern > European ancestry and most anyone else who may have been shipwrecked off > of > the Outer Banks. One theory is that the Lumbees ( Croatans) are also > descended from Raleigh's Lost Colony. > > Boe Williams > > North Georgeia, Tenn, NC, ( Southern Appalachia) did have a lot of > European > and Amrican Indian mixture. There was also some Creek- Whites from > Barbour > and Henry Co Al who remained behind when the Creeks were moved west. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ShowMeMule@earthlink.net" <showmemule@earthlink.net> > To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Williams Melugeons > > >> Regarding Indian-European relations, I do know my ggg grandfather John > Williams, Jr.'s 2nd wife was a Cherokee-Delware Indian ancestry. I can't > say > she was pure blood aboriginal American though. She was a widow, Nancy > Byrams, and they were married abt 1840 in Bedford Co., TN. Family > tradition > says her Indian name was, "Red Oak". Descendents of children from this > 2nd > marriage were reported to have migrated to Oklahoma on were supposed > listed > Cherokee tribal rolls according to elder (now decesased members of my > family). I have never checked into that to confirm it. >> >> I also have seen a photo of a civil war soldier from Arkansas (but born >> in > either Tennessee or North Carolina) that was a Cherokee and his last name > was curiously also John Williams. He looked more Indian than European. > According to the article he was a devote Unionist, which was a bit > surprising. Unfotunately I sent the picture (was printed in back issue of > Civil War Times) to a relative and I cannot locate the issue it was > printed. >> >> --Scott Williams >> Group #12 >> Early Descendants of John Williams, "The Wealthy Welshman" >> of Hanover County, Virginia. Born 1679, Llangollen, Wales. >> http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/williams/ >> >> >Message: 1 >> >Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:57:08 EDT >> >From: Alg22@aol.com >> >Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] query >> >To: WILLIAMS-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >> >Message-ID: <c87.27fafb89.3517ada4@aol.com> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> > >> >so, my fellow williamses, are we melungeons? black and white and red? > i >> >always thought my father looked like a black indian. >> > >> >if true, this comes as no surprise. has dna proven it? williams is > listed >> >as one of the commonly found melungeon names. thoughts? >> > >> > >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7 - Release Date: 3/8/2008 >> 12:00 > AM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There were lots of darker individuals throughout Europe. However, the DNA data tends to support a early African presence in the Colonies as the source of the Mulattos in America. The four generation rule to be considered white originated in the British ruled Carribean Islands. A whole European-whole African mix was a Mulatto. A whole European-Mulatto mix was a Quadraroon. A whole European-Quadraroon mix was and Octaroon. The books of the day stated that after that, the children looked European. So, if you read the early book about racial laws in America from the early 1800s--and you can read them yourself on google books for free--you were considered to be a free colored until you were four generations removed from the original African ancestor. The Indians were not considered to be free colored and were not counted in the early census records. Race was determined by the enumerator not the individual being enumerated. So, if someon was listed as free colored or mulatto, they were considered to be less than four generations removed from an full African ancestor. So, it may be that many of the free colored or mulatto individuals living in the Southeast may have been descendents of those African who were brought to America as indentured servant swho were freed after 20 years. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boe Williams" <ccshoes@bellsouth.net> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Boe - any dates ?? >I didn't mean to imply that the Germans from Germany were there. The native > Dutch were Germanic ( Teutonic) people. The native Dutch mixed with the > Spanish during the time the Netherlands ( including Belgium) was owned by > the Spainish Hapsburgs and produced an ethnic group known as the "Black > Dutch". They were found in the American colonies anywhere the Dutch > setteled; New York, New Jersey, Penn , etc. > > Belgium was contolled by the Spanish from about 1500 until 1700 ( these > dates are approximate. Will have to look it up) and was known as the > Spanish > Netherlands. Holland was owned by the Spanish for about 100 years from > about 1500 until 1600. > > The race mixing that these messages refer to probably started in 17th > century VA and other colonies as well. Most of the first settlers of > Virginia were indentured servants from around London and the south and > southwest of Virginia. Also, Africans originally were indentured servants > in > VA and didn't become actual slaves, although there wasn't a lot of > difference, until some years later. There are many records of children > born > from unions ( not marriages) between the European indentured servants and > the black indentured servants and by now a tremendous amount of people > descend from them, although the percentage in the total genetic background > of an individual can be very little. This mixture also included Indians > who > were also in some instances indentured servants. Indians both owned slaves > and were slaves. > > Boe Williams > > I'm probably not making myself clear. If not I apologize. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "N & K Chestnut" <nkopportunity@gorge.net> > To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 11:02 PM > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Boe - any dates ?? > > >> Boe, any idea when the Germans were in Holland and the Spanish soldier > joined them. Creating a Black Dutch people, before 1640, after 1740 ??? >> >> When & where might they have gone in the American colonies? >> >> Kay C. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Boe Williams >> To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 7:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Family Tree DNA - we do > genetictestsforyourgenealogy questions! >> >> >> The term "Black Dutch" has come to be associated with Melungeons, but >> it >> originally refered to a swarthy ethnic group from the Netherlands who > had no >> connection with them. >> >> Holland was a Hapsburg possesion for a couple of hundred years during > which >> time, Spanish soldiers and sailors were stationed there and there was > much >> commerce between the two countries. Naturally there was intermarriage >> between the native Germanic peoples and the Spanish which eventually >> produced a swarthy ethnic strain in the Netherlands. When they migrated > to >> America, they were called "Black Dutch". >> >> Edwin L. "Boe" Williams >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "paul williams" <bossman9@gmail.com> >> To: "Joyce Leo" <joyceleo@wildblue.net>; <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 1:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Family Tree DNA - we do genetic >> testsforyourgenealogy questions! >> >> >> > I remember my father and grandfather talking about there being "black >> Dutch" >> > in our ancestry. I think this was more to do with the Click family > (G-GF >> > Williams married a Click - an Americanization of the German Gluck) > than >> the >> > Williams. I don't think black Dutch is necessarily the same thing as >> > Melungeon (more like German gypsies), but both have come to be sort >> of >> > umbrella terms for folks up in the hills who may have someone in >> their >> > bloodline who was less than lily-white. I've read that there were >> both >> negro >> > and Turkish slaves who escaped and hid as far up in the hills as they >> could >> > get and married into Indian tribes. Once they began to breed with > whites, >> > the tendency was to try and marry whiter and whiter to obscure the >> > non-European ancestry, partially out of fear that their land would be >> taken >> > away if they were designated as mulatto. Columbus not only employed >> Turkish >> > and Moorish sailors, he wrote on his fourth voyage of seeing a >> strange >> > people on a ship that reminded him of the Moorish galleys he'd seen >> in > the >> > Mediterranean. The women were wearing veils. It's not outside of the > realm >> > of possibility that Muslims were here before he was. I thought this >> article >> > was interesting: >> > http://geocities.com/Paris/5121/melungeon.htm >> > I do have the "Melungeon bump" on the back of my head... >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Joyce Leo <joyceleo@wildblue.net> > wrote: >> > >> > > The Cherokee intermarried all the time, and from an early time in >> > > the history of the meetings of Cherokee maidens and white men who >> > > came into their territory. Even Nancy Ward, the great and last >> > > "Beloved Woman" of the Cherokee married a white man, and she was >> > > no traitor to her people or their "constitution", which by the >> > > way I don't think they had. Sequoyah introduced the Cherokee >> > > alphabet to the entire Cherokee tribe in the 1820's and they had >> > > their first printing press and publications in the late 1820's >> > > and early 1830's, just as Andrew Jackson was drawing up expulsion >> > > papers to rid the entire area of all the Indians. The >> > > intermarriages took place in the 1600's, 1700's, 1800's and still >> > > are taking place. The descendants of these intermarriages are >> > > very plentiful today all over the country, "constitution" or no >> > > constitution. I have plenty of Cherokee blood running in my >> > > Williams line. >> > > >> > > Joyce Williams Leo >> > >> > >> > -- >> > "All the world's a stooge" >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> > Checked by AVG. >> > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7 - Release Date: 3/8/2008 > 12:00 >> AM >> > >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7 - Release Date: 3/8/2008 >> 12:00 > AM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I didn't mean to imply that the Germans from Germany were there. The native Dutch were Germanic ( Teutonic) people. The native Dutch mixed with the Spanish during the time the Netherlands ( including Belgium) was owned by the Spainish Hapsburgs and produced an ethnic group known as the "Black Dutch". They were found in the American colonies anywhere the Dutch setteled; New York, New Jersey, Penn , etc. Belgium was contolled by the Spanish from about 1500 until 1700 ( these dates are approximate. Will have to look it up) and was known as the Spanish Netherlands. Holland was owned by the Spanish for about 100 years from about 1500 until 1600. The race mixing that these messages refer to probably started in 17th century VA and other colonies as well. Most of the first settlers of Virginia were indentured servants from around London and the south and southwest of Virginia. Also, Africans originally were indentured servants in VA and didn't become actual slaves, although there wasn't a lot of difference, until some years later. There are many records of children born from unions ( not marriages) between the European indentured servants and the black indentured servants and by now a tremendous amount of people descend from them, although the percentage in the total genetic background of an individual can be very little. This mixture also included Indians who were also in some instances indentured servants. Indians both owned slaves and were slaves. Boe Williams I'm probably not making myself clear. If not I apologize. ----- Original Message ----- From: "N & K Chestnut" <nkopportunity@gorge.net> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Boe - any dates ?? > Boe, any idea when the Germans were in Holland and the Spanish soldier joined them. Creating a Black Dutch people, before 1640, after 1740 ??? > > When & where might they have gone in the American colonies? > > Kay C. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Boe Williams > To: williams-dna@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 7:28 AM > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Family Tree DNA - we do genetictestsforyourgenealogy questions! > > > The term "Black Dutch" has come to be associated with Melungeons, but it > originally refered to a swarthy ethnic group from the Netherlands who had no > connection with them. > > Holland was a Hapsburg possesion for a couple of hundred years during which > time, Spanish soldiers and sailors were stationed there and there was much > commerce between the two countries. Naturally there was intermarriage > between the native Germanic peoples and the Spanish which eventually > produced a swarthy ethnic strain in the Netherlands. When they migrated to > America, they were called "Black Dutch". > > Edwin L. "Boe" Williams > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "paul williams" <bossman9@gmail.com> > To: "Joyce Leo" <joyceleo@wildblue.net>; <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 1:25 PM > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Family Tree DNA - we do genetic > testsforyourgenealogy questions! > > > > I remember my father and grandfather talking about there being "black > Dutch" > > in our ancestry. I think this was more to do with the Click family (G-GF > > Williams married a Click - an Americanization of the German Gluck) than > the > > Williams. I don't think black Dutch is necessarily the same thing as > > Melungeon (more like German gypsies), but both have come to be sort of > > umbrella terms for folks up in the hills who may have someone in their > > bloodline who was less than lily-white. I've read that there were both > negro > > and Turkish slaves who escaped and hid as far up in the hills as they > could > > get and married into Indian tribes. Once they began to breed with whites, > > the tendency was to try and marry whiter and whiter to obscure the > > non-European ancestry, partially out of fear that their land would be > taken > > away if they were designated as mulatto. Columbus not only employed > Turkish > > and Moorish sailors, he wrote on his fourth voyage of seeing a strange > > people on a ship that reminded him of the Moorish galleys he'd seen in the > > Mediterranean. The women were wearing veils. It's not outside of the realm > > of possibility that Muslims were here before he was. I thought this > article > > was interesting: > > http://geocities.com/Paris/5121/melungeon.htm > > I do have the "Melungeon bump" on the back of my head... > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Joyce Leo <joyceleo@wildblue.net> wrote: > > > > > The Cherokee intermarried all the time, and from an early time in > > > the history of the meetings of Cherokee maidens and white men who > > > came into their territory. Even Nancy Ward, the great and last > > > "Beloved Woman" of the Cherokee married a white man, and she was > > > no traitor to her people or their "constitution", which by the > > > way I don't think they had. Sequoyah introduced the Cherokee > > > alphabet to the entire Cherokee tribe in the 1820's and they had > > > their first printing press and publications in the late 1820's > > > and early 1830's, just as Andrew Jackson was drawing up expulsion > > > papers to rid the entire area of all the Indians. The > > > intermarriages took place in the 1600's, 1700's, 1800's and still > > > are taking place. The descendants of these intermarriages are > > > very plentiful today all over the country, "constitution" or no > > > constitution. I have plenty of Cherokee blood running in my > > > Williams line. > > > > > > Joyce Williams Leo > > > > > > -- > > "All the world's a stooge" > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7 - Release Date: 3/8/2008 12:00 > AM > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7 - Release Date: 3/8/2008 12:00 AM > >

This post was extremely well put. You gave true history that is rarely mentioned. Diana Boe Williams <ccshoes@bellsouth.net> wrote: I didn't mean to imply that the Germans from Germany were there. The native Dutch were Germanic ( Teutonic) people. The native Dutch mixed with the

The Union did some very heavy and successful recruiting in Northeast Arkansas.. The Williams surname is found among the Melungeons, the Black Water Creeks form Northwest Florida, the Brass Ancles from the Edisto River area of SC and the Lumbees from Robeson Co. NC and adjacent area. All of these people seem to be related and seem to be tri-racial. DNA shows them with Turkish, Shepardic Jew, Portugese, Spanish, American Indian, African and Northern European ancestry and most anyone else who may have been shipwrecked off of the Outer Banks. One theory is that the Lumbees ( Croatans) are also descended from Raleigh's Lost Colony. Boe Williams North Georgeia, Tenn, NC, ( Southern Appalachia) did have a lot of European and Amrican Indian mixture. There was also some Creek- Whites from Barbour and Henry Co Al who remained behind when the Creeks were moved west. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ShowMeMule@earthlink.net" <showmemule@earthlink.net> To: <williams-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS-DNA] Williams Melugeons > Regarding Indian-European relations, I do know my ggg grandfather John Williams, Jr.'s 2nd wife was a Cherokee-Delware Indian ancestry. I can't say she was pure blood aboriginal American though. She was a widow, Nancy Byrams, and they were married abt 1840 in Bedford Co., TN. Family tradition says her Indian name was, "Red Oak". Descendents of children from this 2nd marriage were reported to have migrated to Oklahoma on were supposed listed Cherokee tribal rolls according to elder (now decesased members of my family). I have never checked into that to confirm it. > > I also have seen a photo of a civil war soldier from Arkansas (but born in either Tennessee or North Carolina) that was a Cherokee and his last name was curiously also John Williams. He looked more Indian than European. According to the article he was a devote Unionist, which was a bit surprising. Unfotunately I sent the picture (was printed in back issue of Civil War Times) to a relative and I cannot locate the issue it was printed. > > --Scott Williams > Group #12 > Early Descendants of John Williams, "The Wealthy Welshman" > of Hanover County, Virginia. Born 1679, Llangollen, Wales. > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/williams/ > > >Message: 1 > >Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:57:08 EDT > >From: Alg22@aol.com > >Subject: [WILLIAMS-DNA] query > >To: WILLIAMS-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > >Message-ID: <c87.27fafb89.3517ada4@aol.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > >so, my fellow williamses, are we melungeons? black and white and red? i > >always thought my father looked like a black indian. > > > >if true, this comes as no surprise. has dna proven it? williams is listed > >as one of the commonly found melungeon names. thoughts? > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7 - Release Date: 3/8/2008 12:00 AM > >