E.W. Wallace. You are usually so good at answering questions. The only thing I can think of is to find them in the census. It is hard to tell if the surety are kin or not. I wish I knew the real answer to that question. My Williams line is a long brick wall. William Williams father of Sennett Williams who is father of Mary Bine Williams. Can't find her or dates on her. She married Charles Simms. No dates on him either. They were both from WV. maybe Nicholas County. They were the parents of my grandmother Henrietta Simms Surgeon. She was born May 2, 1863, married June 20, 1889, and died Jan. 9, 1928 at Wolfe Creek, Monroe Co. WV. Sorry for the rambling. Henriellen Surgeon Kibler in hot, hot Alabama.