Some Williams researchers are searching for very NEW Williamses--those living in 1880--according to some recent postings. Suggestion: I am fairly sure that by this time, all LDS family history centers have the 1880 US census on multiple CD-ROMs, and some of the advanced ones may have it on the Internet. For a list of over 3,700 centers world-wide, use this URL to try to find one in your neighborhood. Be sure to telephone to learn the days and hours of opening. www.familysearch.org There are a few tricks to using the 1880 census on CD-ROMs, so get someone to show you how to search. For instance, not only did the transcribers to the CD-ROMs have trouble making out the old handwriting on the original census, but the initial census-taker couldn't always spell or didn't answer what he was told. For example, I was searching for my great-grandmother's stepfather. His surname was Henze (German). The CD-ROM has it spelled Hensi. So use your imagination. I believe you can also use a wild-card * I believe that is how I found Hensi. I typed in the first syllable and added the asterisk. And there he was!!! Also, although you know your people by their formal names, in all probability the census-taker used another given name, or the person himself did. Sometimes you may want to search the whole community--if you can find it on the CD-ROMs. While you are using the URL given above, check out the catalog for localities where your people lived and see what films Salt Lake City MAY have for those communities. Vital records is the topic where you will find records of births, marriages and deaths. And don't forget that Salt Lake City has tons of material on the British Isles and a lot on foreign countries. However, if you are looking for films for what was East Prussia, look under Poland (where I found my 2nd great-grandmother and her family!) The trick to being a genealogist is to become a detective. One of my genealogical friends says she reads detective stories and sometimes comes up with a new technique to track down those elusive ancestors. Good luck in finding those NEW Williamses. E.W.Wallace