Allrelated; Remember, with Germany and other places one has birth names Baptismal Names etc. Mary , like Joseph can be , first, never used name, only occurring in some official records. My Grandfather FRUEHLING put an A no dot into each American born child's name. and Frauke was called Kate. Good Luck With your Wilhelm/WILLIAMS. I have at least one in every line I track. Bud. -----Original Message----- From: williams-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:williams-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of williams-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 2:04 AM To: williams@rootsweb.com Subject: WILLIAMS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 181 Today's Topics: 1. Williams/Harness/Dupuy/Neville in West Virginia mid-1700s (Allrelated) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:53:43 -0700 From: Allrelated <allrelated@gmail.com> Subject: [WILLIAMS] Williams/Harness/Dupuy/Neville in West Virginia mid-1700s To: WILLIAMS@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <dc8c2cdb0710021053u38093e3ak179c75eb61f75088@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Listees, I'm new to this list and have been researching my Williams family in West Virginia (Mary Virginia Williams m. John Henry Leech/Edward Williams m. Elizabeth Neville/Vincent Williams m. Mary Harness?/Edward Williams m. Maryon Surname Unknown). Vincent Williams b. abt 1715 in Glamorgen, Wales, d. 16 Jul 1756 was my 5x greatgrandfather. In searching your mailing list archives, I see that there are sources listing him as moving to Hampshire County from Pennsylvania. Does anyone know when he emigrated from Wales with *his* father, yet another Edward Williams, and where they lived initially? Also, our written family tree (not totally persuasive evidence!) shows Vincent Williams' wife to be Mary Harness. Not having been able to locate her, I put that research aside some time ago, and have been intensely researching my 1709 Palatine ancestors who came to New York, later the Mohawk Valley. In the course of *that* research, I ran across a Hoerner/Kayser website regarding their ancestors also from the small village of Unteroewisheim, Baden, Germany. I scanned the page for some familiar names and saw to my surprise that "Hoerner" - in only a world where spelling is a slight suggestion - had become "Harness" in Virginia. A light went off, pulled out my "Williams" research. Yep, there she is, same place. Except that when I looked at all the Harness trees, there was no Mary of the right age to be married to a Vincent Williams. This is big to me, because if we *aren't* Harnesses, then I want to know. If we are, then I have a lovely tree already going back to the same village where my Lapps and Bertsch people came from. Searching last night in your mailing list archives, I read that a Peter Casey married Vincent Williams' widow after his awful death. Our family written tree actually had her die on the same day; we thought she had perhaps perished in the same attack. It is nice to know that - whatever her surname - my 5x greatgrandmother went on to have a new husband and children. Also seen in the archives was that a Mary M. Depuy (Dupuy?) is a contender for Vincent's wife and Edward's mother. Can anyone tell me the evidence for Mary Harness and the evidence for Mary Depuy? Or point me to the research sites? Thanks for your help. Xposted to WVHAMPSH-L, WVHARDY-L, and HARNESS-L lists, as well. Cheers, Allrelated -- "As is the generation of leaves, so is that of humanity. The wind scatters the leaves on the ground, but the live timber burgeons with leaves again in the season of spring returning. So one generation of men will grow while another dies." Iliad, VI.146-150, trans. Lattimore. So, tell me again, why the heck am I raking up all these leaves? ------------------------------ To contact the WILLIAMS list administrator, send an email to WILLIAMS-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the WILLIAMS mailing list, send an email to WILLIAMS@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of WILLIAMS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 181 ****************************************

Hi, Bud! That is an excellent point. Even though she shows up as "Mary," in the records, you're right, it might have been just such a name. Also, perhaps her original last name was not "Harness," but not "Ernst/Hoerner" either. If those two could become "Harness," then *all* bets are off! She could have been a "Hernsch," "Hersch" etc. The problem is that she was married to Vincent Williams, about whom much is written, and thanks to this list I now know that she apparently married Peter Casey after Vincent's death, so that narrows the possibilities somewhat. The Harness girls from the "Ernst/Hoerner" line seem to be accounted for, unless someone else has additional information. Any thoughts out there? Thanks, Allrelated On 10/3/07, samuels <dwsbgs@centurytel.net> wrote: > > Allrelated; Remember, with Germany and other places one has birth names > Baptismal Names etc. Mary , like Joseph can be , first, never used name, > only occurring in some official records. My Grandfather FRUEHLING put an > A > no dot into each American born child's name. and Frauke was called Kate. > Good Luck With your Wilhelm/WILLIAMS. I have at least one in every line I > track. Bud. > > -----Original Message----- > From: williams-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:williams-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of williams-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 2:04 AM > To: williams@rootsweb.com > Subject: WILLIAMS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 181 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Williams/Harness/Dupuy/Neville in West Virginia mid-1700s > (Allrelated) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:53:43 -0700 > From: Allrelated <allrelated@gmail.com> > Subject: [WILLIAMS] Williams/Harness/Dupuy/Neville in West Virginia > mid-1700s > To: WILLIAMS@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <dc8c2cdb0710021053u38093e3ak179c75eb61f75088@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi, Listees, > > I'm new to this list and have been researching my Williams family in West > Virginia (Mary Virginia Williams m. John Henry Leech/Edward Williams m. > Elizabeth Neville/Vincent Williams m. Mary Harness?/Edward Williams m. > Maryon Surname Unknown). > > Vincent Williams b. abt 1715 in Glamorgen, Wales, d. 16 Jul 1756 was my 5x > greatgrandfather. In searching your mailing list archives, I see that > there > are sources listing him as moving to Hampshire County from Pennsylvania. > Does anyone know when he emigrated from Wales with *his* father, yet > another > Edward Williams, and where they lived initially? > > Also, our written family tree (not totally persuasive evidence!) shows > Vincent Williams' wife to be Mary Harness. Not having been able to locate > her, I put that research aside some time ago, and have been intensely > researching my 1709 Palatine ancestors who came to New York, later the > Mohawk Valley. In the course of *that* research, I ran across a > Hoerner/Kayser website regarding their ancestors also from the small > village > of Unteroewisheim, Baden, Germany. I scanned the page for some familiar > names and saw to my surprise that "Hoerner" - in only a world where > spelling > is a slight suggestion - had become "Harness" in Virginia. A light went > off, > pulled out my "Williams" research. Yep, there she is, same place. > > Except that when I looked at all the Harness trees, there was no Mary of > the > right age to be married to a Vincent Williams. This is big to me, because > if > we *aren't* Harnesses, then I want to know. If we are, then I have a > lovely > tree already going back to the same village where my Lapps and Bertsch > people came from. > > Searching last night in your mailing list archives, I read that a Peter > Casey married Vincent Williams' widow after his awful death. Our family > written tree actually had her die on the same day; we thought she had > perhaps perished in the same attack. It is nice to know that - whatever > her > surname - my 5x greatgrandmother went on to have a new husband and > children. > > > Also seen in the archives was that a Mary M. Depuy (Dupuy?) is a contender > for Vincent's wife and Edward's mother. Can anyone tell me the evidence > for > Mary Harness and the evidence for Mary Depuy? Or point me to the research > sites? > > Thanks for your help. Xposted to WVHAMPSH-L, WVHARDY-L, and HARNESS-L > lists, > as well. > > Cheers, > Allrelated > > -- > "As is the generation of leaves, so is that of humanity. The wind scatters > the leaves on the ground, but the live timber burgeons with leaves again > in > the season of spring returning. So one generation of men will grow while > another dies." Iliad, VI.146-150, trans. Lattimore. > > So, tell me again, why the heck am I raking up all these leaves? > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the WILLIAMS list administrator, send an email to > WILLIAMS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the WILLIAMS mailing list, send an email to > WILLIAMS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of WILLIAMS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 181 > **************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- "As is the generation of leaves, so is that of humanity. The wind scatters the leaves on the ground, but the live timber burgeons with leaves again in the season of spring returning. So one generation of men will grow while another dies." Iliad, VI.146-150, trans. Lattimore. So, tell me again, why the heck am I raking up all these leaves?