Samuels wrote - This clan is VERY clannish/secretive(embarrassed?) Kay writes - My Dad was a people person, but not interested in this genealogy stuff. He helped his siblings after his Mother died (1925) and their Father separated himself from his younger children (partly the children's choice because they did not like Canada, and perhaps the step-mother & her children). Basically Dad did not know much about his ancestors. Dad had black hair, hazel eyes (which lighten with age), and a skin which tanned easily and dark. He was 5' 11" and somewhat slender possibly because he had a "bum" (bad) digestive track, stomach and colon. Dad's Father, whom I never met, was said to be 5'10" and 180 lbs. or more. I have never heard of the COOPER nor the Goodpasture surnames with my WILLIAMS 'tribe'. A paper on the possible children of Jonas WILLIAMS and Elizabeth THOMPSON has gone to the printed, but I have not yet seen my 'hard copy'. Samuels wrote - Alexander Williams s/o supposed William WILLIAMS born ca 1850 unknown where(probable Tenn.) Kay writes - [looking as an earlier 'rough draft' of the Jonas WILLIAMS paper] William WILLIAMS b. abt 1799 in KY. d. 1872 Montgomery Co., IL. [child] #6 William WILLIAMS b. 1838. (mother probably Sarah AYERS) John WILLIAMS b. abt 1801 in Barren Co., KY. d. 1854 [child] #2 William WILLIAMS b. 1830 (mother unknown) Allen WILLIAMS b. abt 1808 Barren Co., KY. [child]#5 William WILLIAMS b. abt 1843 from 1850 census age 7 b. IL. (mother Catherine RAGLAND) Elihu WILLIAMS b. 1812 prob. Barren Co., KY. d. 1886 IL. (wife - Elvira STRAIT) [child] #9 William Preston WILLIAMS b. 1859 maybe Greene Co., IL. d. 1939 Jasper Co., MO. (said to have never married, but helped raise 1-2 KINYON children of an older sister) Thompson WILLIAMS b. 1816 Knox or Barren Co., KY. [child] #5 William Thompson WILLIAMS b. abt 1843 (mother Tabitha WHEELESS) Alexander WILLIAMS b. abt 1827 Washington Co., IL. [child] #1 Thomas WILLIAMS b. 1849 (mother ? Margaret SANDERS) change generation William WILLIAMS b. 1838 Washington Co., IL. (above son of William) [child] #6 "Sander" Alexander WILLIAMS b. 1880 William WILLIAMS b. 1830 (above son of John) {9 children} none named Alexander [child]#6 Arthrusia WILLIAMS b. 1871 (Is this a female name?) Thomas A. WILLIAMS b. Feb 1845 (above son of John [child] #5 William B. WILLIAMS b. 1878 (mother Jane SCHUBERT) Kay (Williams) C. ----- Original Message ----- From: samuels To: 'N & K Chestnut' Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:31 AM Subject: RE: [WILLIAMS] Your Grandmother's brother's male descendants ?? KAY; That is the problem!!! This clan is VERY clannish/secretive(embarrassed?)Alexander Williams s/o supposed William WILLIAMS born ca 1850 unknown where(probable Tenn.) said to be Indian but this is also said of his wife's COOPER parents. And neither proven except by coloration and facial characteristics. Alexander b. 10 Nov. 1873 in Ky d. 1962 in Sedalia, Mo. at My Aunts house . His known wife was Susan Evalyn "Evie" Goodpasture( My Father's aunt.. I am chasing this as Howard would be the finale blood male in that line ,unless I find the Texas line. That goes as flows in case someone needs the line. John Henry Williams. Oct 1906 d. in TX. 31 Aug 1990 wife Madeline(Sp) child John Henry Jr Williams wife Mary Joe Lastitica child; John Boy, looks to be born 1960. Thank for your time and clarity on DNA. Bud.