It would be helpful to know what state. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Dale" <brendale@sccoast.net> > Lewis E. Williams, born July 13, 1869, died June 29, 1944, married > Hattie Williams, born July 4, 1878, died Dec. 3, 1942. > Married in Boone Co, Dec. 24, 1896 > . > Known children of Lewis and Hattie, > Gilbert Louis Williams, b Jan. 8, 1898 d Apr. 20, 1970 > Bertha, b April 1900, > Ruby, b 1906, > M C Roy, b Sept. 20, 1913 d Feb. 20, 1920 > > > Can someone look and see if there are any other siblings in census records ? > Thanks, Dale > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WILLIAMS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Lewis E. Williams, born July 13, 1869, Boone Co. West Virginia, died June 29, 1944, Wayland Ky. married > Hattie Williams, born July 4, 1878, Boone Co. West Virginia died Dec. 3, 1942. Wayland, KY. > Married in Boone Co, West Virginia, Dec. 24, 1896 > . > Known children of Lewis and Hattie, > Gilbert Louis Williams, b Jan. 8, 1898 Boone Co. West Virginia d Apr. 20, 1970 Wayland, KY. > Bertha, b April 1900, > Ruby, b 1906, > M C Roy, b Sept. 20, 1913 d Feb. 20, 1920 > > > Can someone look and see if there are any other siblings in census records ? > Thanks, Dale >

Location? birth location? death location? residence? There are a lot of Lewis E. Williams. <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Lewis E. Williams, born July 13, 1869, died June 29, 1944, married Hattie Williams, born July 4, 1878, died Dec. 3, 1942. Married in Boone Co, Dec. 24, 1896 . Known children of Lewis and Hattie, Gilbert Louis Williams, b Jan. 8, 1898 d Apr. 20, 1970 Bertha, b April 1900, Ruby, b 1906, M C Roy, b Sept. 20, 1913 d Feb. 20, 1920 Can someone look and see if there are any other siblings in census records ? Thanks, Dale

I have searched through all of the documents listed below. Even the family historical accounts state that they aren't certain of Alembe's wife's name. The closest I've found is that she was named Sarah "Sally". But I am not convinced, as some trees have confused info. between Alembe Sr. (1756-1835) and his son Alembe, Jr. (1791-1858). Name: Alembe Williams Sex: M Birth: ABT 1756 in Dorchester, MD Death: AFT 13 MAY 1835 in Lincoln County, Missouri Event: Migrated 1831 Missouri to Texas Military Service: War of 1812: served under Capt. Daniel M. Boone and Capt. Callaway Military Service: Revolutionary War: served under Capt. Michael Randolph, Col. Henry Lee, discharge from Gen. Nathaniel Green Military Service: 10 JUN 1781 Revolutionary War: enlisted in Capt. Moore's company of the First North Carolina Infantry commanded by Major Armstrong Allumbee Williams was a Revolutionary soldier. He lived on the Troy and Millwood(12 miles NW of Troy) Road, on the farm now belonging to William Fasse-...the old James Trail place. His cabin stood across the road northeast from the old Trail house, almost under the hill and near the spring. He was a member of the first grand jury of Lincoln County, Missouri Source: History of Lincoln Co. Mo, by Joseph Q. Mudd pub 1878 1. Alambee WILLIAMS was born 1757 in Dorchester County, and died ABT 1835 in Lincoln County, Missouri. He married Sarah "Sally" (?) WILLIAMS. She was born UNKNOWN, and died UNKNOWN. Children of Alambee WILLIAMS and Sarah "Sally" (?) WILLIAMS are: - i. Joshua WILLIAMS was born ABT 1781 in Possibly North Carolina, and died 18 JAN 1880. - ii. Job WILLIAMS was born ABT 1783 in North Carolina, and died 14 APR 1853 in Texas, Edna Cemetery, Jackson County, Texas. He married Nancy CAMPBELL 10 OCT 1804 Sumner County, Tennessee. - iii. Mary Ann WILLIAMS was born ABT 1785 in Rockingham County, North Carolina, and died 29 JUN 1840 in Beaumont, Texas. She married Isaac COTTLE BEF 1804, Lincoln County, Missouri. - iv. Elizabeth WILLIAMS was born ABT 1787, and died ABT 1843 in Jackson County, Texas. She m1: William WILLIAMS [a cousin]; m2: Winslow TURNER, II. - v. Leven WILLIAMS was born ABT 1789 in Maryland, and died 2 JAN 1822 in Lincoln County, Missouri. He married Eliabeth STRADER 13 OCT 1807 Logan County, Kentucky - vi. John P. WILLIAMS was born ABT 1790, and died 24 JUL 1838. He married Mary (Polly) TURNER 1 JAN 1827, Missouri. She was born UNKNOWN, and died UNKNOWN. - vii. Allambee WILLIAMS, Jr. was born 31 MAY 1791, and died 11 AUG 1858 in Brenham, Washington County,Texas. He married Sarah CLARK, daughter of Christopher CLARK and Elizabeth ADAMS. She was born BEF 1799, and died UNKNOWN. - viii. Sarah WILLIAMS was born ABT 1793, and died UNKNOWN. She married John SEYMOUR. He was born UNKNOWN, and died UNKNOWN. - ix. Levi A. WILLIAMS was born ABT 1795, and died UNKNOWN. He married Elizabeth FINLEY. She was born UNKNOWN, and died UNKNOWN. - x. James W. WILLIAMS was born ABT 1797, and died AUG 1832 Lincoln County, Missouri. He married Annie BROWN 4 MAY 1825 in Sumner County, Tennessee. She was born UNKNOWN, and died UNKNOWN. Sources: Title: A Genealogical Study of Allumbee Williams and Siblings 1757-1985-compiled by Joe G. Potter ========= Documentation: 1) Spelled several different ways in research papers: Alembe, Alumbe, Alambe, Alembee, Alumbee, Alambee, Allumbee, Alum, Allam B., Allenbee, Allenby, Allen B.; Malkijah, Macijah, Michijah, Makijah, Lige, Kige. 2)"A Genealogical Study of Allumbee Williams and Siblings 1757-1985"-compiled by Joe G. Potter. 3)Source:History of Lincoln Co. Mo, by Joseph Q. Mudd pub 1878. 4)Biography of Capt. Richard Wommack (1804 - 1880), The Troy Herald, Vol. II (Troy, Lincoln County, MO) May 13, 1876. "Recollections of Captain Richard WOMMACK". 4)RootsWeb Tree "Woods & Cottle Family from Massachusetts to Texas" by Mary Beth Marchant. http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mbmjlmwoods-1&id=I0564 5)History of Greene County, Missouri 1883, Chapter 19, Walnut Grove Township, R. I. Holcombe, Editing Historian. 6)"Boone Pioneer Echoes", Vol 11, Number 3, July 1969, Pg 22.,Capt. Daniel Morgan Boone's Mounted Rangers - The War of 1812-Payroll of a Company of Mounted Rangers. 7)ABSTRACT of the ARMY ACCOUNTS OF THE NORTH CAROLINA LINE - 3170 Allenby Williams. 8) North Carolina Revolutionary War Soldiers - 89919. Williams, Allenby. 9)Event: Migrated 1831 Missouri to Texas DeWitt Colony Land Grants 1825-1832. 10)Goodspeed's History of Lincoln County, Missouri:ref.pgs.229-263. 11)Probate Court, Record 4, 2 January 1823, Lincoln County, Missouri. 12)Marriage Record 5 DEC 1837 Recorded in Jackson County, Texas Marriage Licences: Vol. A/B, pg. 7 [County Court Records - FHL microfilm # 1010624 - 1010625] 13)Arthur Burns, Malkijah Williams, Winslow Turner, Benjamin Highsmith -Source:1828 DeWitt Colony Biographies 14)Texas Census 1820-90,[1834;1838;1840;1843;1846;1860]. 15)Federal Census 1850;1860;1900 16)http://www2.tsl.state.tx.us/trail/RepublicSearch.jsp --- Other sources I have copies of: 1) "WHEN THE WOODS, HARRELL AND WILLIAMS' FAMILIES CAME TO TEXAS FROM MISSOURI" By Norman C. Hall [Leven Williams and Elizabeth Strader' line] Provided to me by Mary Beth Marchant. 2) FRONTIER TIMES, March 1939, Volume 16, No. 6, pp.231-236,276. "Mrs. Mary E. Billingsley: Pioneer Mother" By Maude Wallis Traylor. Provided to me by Mary Beth Marchant. 3) "GENEALOGICAL NOTES OF THE NOLEN, WILLIAMS, LOONEY AND ALLIED FAMILIES" By Nancy Williams Nolan. [Job Williams and Nancy Campbell line] Provided to me by Ginny Ayers Spann Source:"A Genealogical Study of Allumbee Williams and Siblings 1757-1985"-compiled by Joe G. Potter. [aka. Joseph Gilbert Potter] [Allam B. Williams and Sarah Clark line] Provided to me by Mary Beth Marchant. 4) Abstract from above study - Ref: Priscilla Abbott, daughter of Margaret Williams and John Abbott, is supposed to have told her son, James Abbott Lemmon, that she had aunts and uncles named Alumbee , James , Rebecca , Mary (Polly), and Elizabeth. Priscilla also stated that all of the above were born in Maryland, as was her mother. She also mentioned the following names: Elizabeth Mayberry or Maberry, Joseph Spradling, Stephen Tribble and Elisha Barnett. 5) Head of this family is possibly EDWARD WILLIAMS of Dorchester, MD. "Barbara Fleming's Genealogy" by Barbara Fleming: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~barbpretz. 6) Barbara Fleming Notes for Margaret Williams Abbott: 6a)She was also said to have been born ca 1755. [101] 6b)"No definite birth date or place is known for the wife (of John Abbott), but some family members have guessed she was born about 1759. [105] 6c)She is also listed as "b. 1757, MD. Parents: Edward WILLIAMS b. 1731, Dorchester, MD and unknown name of mother, b. 1735, Dorchester, MD". [378] 6d)"It is also believed that John's wife Margaret did not travel to North Carolina with her husband John, but did so at a later date with her mother, her and John's first child James, and her brother James and sisters Rebecca, Mary, and Elizabeth." [428] ANY AND ALL SUGGESTIONS WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. Thanks, Sheryl ------------ N & K Chestnut <nkopportunity@gorge.net> wrote: Sheryl Wrote --- If not, who was Mary Elizabeth "Betsy" WILLIAMS' mother? >> STILL UNDETERMINED << What efforts have you made to determine who it might have been? Kay Chestnut ----- Original Message ----- From: SHERYL WILLIAMS To: williams@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS] To Sheryl --- N & K Chestnut wrote: Sheryl Wrote --- Unk WILLIAMS Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS Mary Elizabeth "Betsy" WILLIAMS m: *cousin MALKIJAH WILLIAMS Kay Wrote --- I have a question? Was Mary Elizabeth "Betsy" WILLIAMS the daughter of "Allumbee" (Allen B.) WILLIAMS? >> YES << If not, who has Mary Elizabeth "Betsy" WILLIAMS' mother? >> STILL UNDETERMINED << Another question? Who was the wife of Malkijah WILLIAMS? >> CYNTHIA ANN BURNS << Kay Chestnut, a WILLIAMS by birth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sheryl Wrote --- If not, who was Mary Elizabeth "Betsy" WILLIAMS' mother? >> STILL UNDETERMINED << What efforts have you made to determine who it might have been? Kay Chestnut ----- Original Message ----- From: SHERYL WILLIAMS To: williams@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS] To Sheryl --- N & K Chestnut <nkopportunity@gorge.net> wrote: Sheryl Wrote --- Unk WILLIAMS Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS Mary Elizabeth "Betsy" WILLIAMS m: *cousin MALKIJAH WILLIAMS Kay Wrote --- I have a question? Was Mary Elizabeth "Betsy" WILLIAMS the daughter of "Allumbee" (Allen B.) WILLIAMS? >> YES << If not, who has Mary Elizabeth "Betsy" WILLIAMS' mother? >> STILL UNDETERMINED << Another question? Who was the wife of Malkijah WILLIAMS? >> CYNTHIA ANN BURNS << Kay Chestnut, a WILLIAMS by birth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kay that was the clearest I have ever seen it explained. Thank you. I think what your saying is: Malkijah's MATERNAL Line: Mary Elizabeth WILLIAMS ---------------------------------------------- Generations: 1. Unk WILLIAMS-->> [ only his sons will have yDNA ] - 2. Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS-->> [ only his sons will have yDNA ] - 3. Mary Elizabeth "Betsy" WILLIAMS -->>>>-- [ no yDNA ] - [has mother's mtDNA ] ----------- 4. MALKIJAH WILLIAMS-->> [ yDNA from father Wm. Williams ] - [ mtDNA from mother Mary Elizabeth Williams ] ----------- 5. Thomas R. WILLIAMS-->> [ only his sons will have yDNA ] - 6. Thomas Homer WILLIAMS -->> [ only his sons will have yDNA ] - 7. Jack WILLIAMS -->> [ only his sons will have yDNA ] - 8. Living WILLIAMS-->> [ only his sons will have yDNA ] - 9. Living WILLIAMS-->> [ only his sons will have yDNA ] Am I getting close?? Sheryl N & K Chestnut <nkopportunity@gorge.net> wrote: Sheryl Wrote --- Malkijah's MATERNAL Line: Mary Elizabeth WILLIAMS ---------------------------------------------- Unk WILLIAMS Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS-->> Mary Elizabeth "Betsy" WILLIAMS m: *cousin-->> MALKIJAH WILLIAMS-->> Thomas R. WILLIAMS-->> Thomas Homer WILLIAMS -->> Jack WILLIAMS -->> Living WILLIAMS-->> Living WILLIAMS-->> To be DNA tested Kay Wrote --- Sheryl, I think you have your brother's Paternal Line figured out. But I am not sure you have the Maternal Line figured out. Your brother's Maternal Line ends with him. If you are full brother and sister, Sheryl, you are the one who has your mother's female DNA, called "mtDNA". The daughter has only the "mtDNA". The son has both his father's (yDNA) and his mother's (mtDNA). "With or from" the son's DNA sample both yDNA and mtDNA can be tested. But the son cannot pass on his mother's mtDNA. The son passes on only his father's yDNA and only to his sons. Back to the daughter, she never receives her father's yDNA, and she receives only her mother's mtDNA. And the daughter passes on only her mtDNA to both her sons and daughters. But remember the sons cannot pass on any mtDNA. Kay Chestnut Sheryl Wrote Malkijah WILLIAMS is the son of two WILLIAMS cousins: -- Malkijah's PATERNAL Line: William WILLIAMS ----------------------------------------- Unk WILLIAMS William WILLIAMS m:*cousin-->> MALKIJAH WILLIAMS-->> Thomas R. WILLIAMS-->> Thomas Homer WILLIAMS -->> Jack WILLIAMS -->> Living WILLIAMS-->> Living WILLIAMS-->> To be DNA tested -- Malkijah's MATERNAL Line: Mary Elizabeth WILLIAMS ---------------------------------------------- Unk WILLIAMS Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS-->> Mary Elizabeth "Betsy" WILLIAMS m: *cousin-->> MALKIJAH WILLIAMS-->> Thomas R. WILLIAMS-->> Thomas Homer WILLIAMS -->> Jack WILLIAMS -->> Living WILLIAMS-->> Living WILLIAMS-->> To be DNA tested Sheryl Wrote --- My brother's DNA will follow Malkijah Williams' - PATERNAL - lineage only. However, with any luck there will be a match in the data base and we could potentially learn the identity of William WILLIAMS ancestors. This could in turn, identify Elizabeth ancestors as well. If they were in fact cousins. Kay Wrote --- You do understand. You did get it. Very good. Sheryl Wrote My direct WILLIAMS line is: Alembe Williams (Allen B. ?)-b:1757 MD MARY ELIZABETH WILLIAMS b:abt1787, d:abt1843 TX m1:WILLIAM WILLIAMS Malkijah Williams b:1803 TN, d:aft1850, m:Cynthia Burns Thomas R. Williams b:1836 TX, d:1919, m:Mary Ann Beckham Thomas H. Williams b:1874 TX, d:1949 TX, m:Carrie Cavender Jack Williams b:1910 TX, d:1992 CA, m:Lora Belle Marquess Living Son Williams Living Son Williams -- To be tested. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

N & K Chestnut <nkopportunity@gorge.net> wrote: Sheryl Wrote --- Unk WILLIAMS Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS Mary Elizabeth "Betsy" WILLIAMS m: *cousin MALKIJAH WILLIAMS Kay Wrote --- I have a question? Was Mary Elizabeth "Betsy" WILLIAMS the daughter of "Allumbee" (Allen B.) WILLIAMS? >> YES << If not, who has Mary Elizabeth "Betsy" WILLIAMS' mother? >> STILL UNDETERMINED << Another question? Who was the wife of Malkijah WILLIAMS? >> CYNTHIA ANN BURNS << Kay Chestnut, a WILLIAMS by birth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sheryl Wrote --- Malkijah's MATERNAL Line: Mary Elizabeth WILLIAMS ---------------------------------------------- Unk WILLIAMS Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS-->> Mary Elizabeth "Betsy" WILLIAMS m: *cousin-->> MALKIJAH WILLIAMS-->> Thomas R. WILLIAMS-->> Thomas Homer WILLIAMS -->> Jack WILLIAMS -->> Living WILLIAMS-->> Living WILLIAMS-->> To be DNA tested Kay Wrote --- Sheryl, I think you have your brother's Paternal Line figured out. But I am not sure you have the Maternal Line figured out. Your brother's Maternal Line ends with him. If you are full brother and sister, Sheryl, you are the one who has your mother's female DNA, called "mtDNA". The daughter has only the "mtDNA". The son has both his father's (yDNA) and his mother's (mtDNA). "With or from" the son's DNA sample both yDNA and mtDNA can be tested. But the son cannot pass on his mother's mtDNA. The son passes on only his father's yDNA and only to his sons. Back to the daughter, she never receives her father's yDNA, and she receives only her mother's mtDNA. And the daughter passes on only her mtDNA to both her sons and daughters. But remember the sons cannot pass on any mtDNA. Kay Chestnut Sheryl Wrote Malkijah WILLIAMS is the son of two WILLIAMS cousins: -- Malkijah's PATERNAL Line: William WILLIAMS ----------------------------------------- Unk WILLIAMS William WILLIAMS m:*cousin-->> MALKIJAH WILLIAMS-->> Thomas R. WILLIAMS-->> Thomas Homer WILLIAMS -->> Jack WILLIAMS -->> Living WILLIAMS-->> Living WILLIAMS-->> To be DNA tested -- Malkijah's MATERNAL Line: Mary Elizabeth WILLIAMS ---------------------------------------------- Unk WILLIAMS Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS-->> Mary Elizabeth "Betsy" WILLIAMS m: *cousin-->> MALKIJAH WILLIAMS-->> Thomas R. WILLIAMS-->> Thomas Homer WILLIAMS -->> Jack WILLIAMS -->> Living WILLIAMS-->> Living WILLIAMS-->> To be DNA tested Sheryl Wrote --- My brother's DNA will follow Malkijah Williams' - PATERNAL - lineage only. However, with any luck there will be a match in the data base and we could potentially learn the identity of William WILLIAMS ancestors. This could in turn, identify Elizabeth ancestors as well. If they were in fact cousins. Kay Wrote --- You do understand. You did get it. Very good. Sheryl Wrote My direct WILLIAMS line is: Alembe Williams (Allen B. ?)-b:1757 MD MARY ELIZABETH WILLIAMS b:abt1787, d:abt1843 TX m1:WILLIAM WILLIAMS Malkijah Williams b:1803 TN, d:aft1850, m:Cynthia Burns Thomas R. Williams b:1836 TX, d:1919, m:Mary Ann Beckham Thomas H. Williams b:1874 TX, d:1949 TX, m:Carrie Cavender Jack Williams b:1910 TX, d:1992 CA, m:Lora Belle Marquess Living Son Williams Living Son Williams -- To be tested.

Sheryl Wrote --- Unk WILLIAMS Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS Mary Elizabeth "Betsy" WILLIAMS m: *cousin MALKIJAH WILLIAMS Kay Wrote --- I have a question? Was Mary Elizabeth "Betsy" WILLIAMS the daughter of "Allumbee" (Allen B.) WILLIAMS? If not, who has Mary Elizabeth "Betsy" WILLIAMS' mother? Another question? Who was the wife of Malkijah WILLIAMS? Kay Chestnut, a WILLIAMS by birth

Lewis E. Williams, born July 13, 1869, died June 29, 1944, married Hattie Williams, born July 4, 1878, died Dec. 3, 1942. Parents of Lewis, Alexander Williams and Ann Eliz Stephens. Parents of Hattie, John Snidow Williams and Nancy ann Crouch. Known children of Lewis and Hattie, Gilbert Louis Williams, b Jan. 8, 1898 d Apr. 20, 1970 Bertha, b April 1900, Ruby, b 1906, M C Roy, b Sept. 20, 1913 d Feb. 20, 1920 Does any one connect to these ? Does any one know about any more siblings, that connect to these children ? Does any one know what happen to Bertha and Ruby ? Thanks for any help, Dale

Hi Kay, This is definately confusing but.....let's see if I'm even close. /////////////////////////////// Malkijah WILLIAMS is the son of two WILLIAMS cousins: -- Malkijah's PATERNAL Line: William WILLIAMS ----------------------------------------- Unk WILLIAMS William WILLIAMS m:*cousin-->> MALKIJAH WILLIAMS-->> Thomas R. WILLIAMS-->> Thomas Homer WILLIAMS -->> Jack WILLIAMS -->> Living WILLIAMS-->> Living WILLIAMS-->> To be DNA tested -- Malkijah's MATERNAL Line: Mary Elizabeth WILLIAMS ---------------------------------------------- Unk WILLIAMS Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS-->> Mary Elizabeth "Betsy" WILLIAMS m: *cousin-->> MALKIJAH WILLIAMS-->> Thomas R. WILLIAMS-->> Thomas Homer WILLIAMS -->> Jack WILLIAMS -->> Living WILLIAMS-->> Living WILLIAMS-->> To be DNA tested /////////// My brother's DNA will follow Malkijah Williams' - PATERNAL - lineage only. However, with - any luck there will be a match in the data base and we could potentially learn the identity of - William WILLIAMS ancestors. This could in turn, identify Elizabeth ancestors as well. If they - were in fact cousins. /////////// My direct WILLIAMS line is: Alembe Williams (Allen B. ?)-b:1757 MD MARY ELIZABETH WILLIAMS b:abt1787, d:abt1843 TX m1:WILLIAM WILLIAMS Malkijah Williams b:1803 TN, d:aft1850, m:Cynthia Burns Thomas R. Williams b:1836 TX, d:1919, m:Mary Ann Beckham Thomas H. Williams b:1874 TX, d:1949 TX, m:Carrie Cavender Jack Williams b:1910 TX, d:1992 CA, m:Lora Belle Marquess Living Son Williams Living Son Williams -- To be tested. - Thanks for all your amazing efforts! Sheryl N & K Chestnut <nkopportunity@gorge.net> wrote: Sheryl wrote --- Can you explain how it works when Williams cousins marry/have children? My thinking is if they were first cousins, they would still share the same Williams ancestor, therefore be in the same line?. MARY ELIZABETH WILLIAMS b:abt1787, m1:WILLIAM WILLIAMS (a cousin) Kay Chestnut wrote --- Sheryl, I will try. 1st an illustration - We think that Elihu WILLIAMS m. a first cousin, Elvira STRAIT 13 Nov 1836 in Greene Co., IL., the ceremony was performed by a John THOMPSON. Yes, Elvira had a different last name, her father was Israel STRAIT. But Elvira's mother was Hannah THOMPSON. We are trying to 'prove' that Elihu was the son of Jonas WILLIAMS. There was a marriage in Mercer Co., KY. 5 Apr 1798 of a Jonas WILLIAMS and an Elizabeth THOMPSON. We think that Elizabeth was the daughter of John THOMPSON & Winifred BRICKEY. And even more researchers think that Hannah (who m. Israel STRAIT) was the daughter of John THOMPSON and Winifred BRICKEY. Thus, Elizabeth and Hannah would be sisters, and their grandchildren first cousins. I think, what Sheryl must be saying is that both Grandfathers were WILLIAMSes and were sons of the same WILLIAMS male (Great-Grandfather). Jack Williams b:1910 TX, d:1992 CA. The one you plan to yDNA test is the son of Jack WILLIAMS (1910-1992). Is that correct? William WILLIAMS was the Father of Jack WILLIAMS? Is that, also, correct? Yes, now I see the problem. MARY ELIZABETH WILLIAMS b. abt 1787 could not pass on any yDNA (male DNA) because she was not a male. Mary Elizabeth never received any of her Father's male DNA and did not pass it on. Sheryl wrote --- Alembe Williams (Allen B. ?)-b:1757 MD (Allen B.) WILLIAMS b. 1757 MD. More questions from Kay Chestnut --- Was (Allen B.) the Father of MARY ELIZABETH WILLIAMS b. abt 1787? Did (Allen B.) WILLIAMS have any sons? Did any of those sons have sons, etc.? Advice from Kay Chestnut --- I think, that is what you need another WILLIAMS male descendant of "Alembe" (Allen B.) WILLIAMS. And then you need to have him tested. If both yDNA samples test out to be close 'matches' with each other, then you will have good evidence that Mary Elizabeth WILLIAMS married a first cousin, William WILLIAMS. If you cannot come up with that other male to test, then hope and pray that Jack's son has a close 'match' with someone else in the WILLIAMS DNA Project. And hopefully that 'someone else' would have a good 'paper trail' (regular genealogical records) back to an 'Alembe' (Allen B.) WILLIAMS. Any questions Sheryl? Or are you still confused? Kay Chestnut, a WILLIAMS by birth ----- Original Message ----- From: SHERYL WILLIAMS To: williams@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS] To Sheryl WILLIAMS Sorry Kay, I missed this part of your message. [DNA testing to check male lineage is called "yDNA". It will be the male line of his father that you will be testing. If you test a male's "mtDNA" (female DNA), you will be checking/testing his mother's female line (his mother's mother, etc.). Therefore, you will NOT be testing his mother's WILLIAMS line.] Can you explain how it works when Williams cousins marry/have children? My thinking is if they were first cousins, they would still share the same Williams ancestor, therefore be in the same line?. MARY ELIZABETH WILLIAMS b:abt1787, m1:WILLIAM WILLIAMS (a cousin) My direct WILLIAMS line is: Alembe Williams (Allen B. ?)-b:1757 MD - MARY ELIZABETH WILLIAMS b:abt1787, m1:WILLIAM WILLIAMS, m2:Winslow Turner - Malkijah Williams b:1803 TN, d:aft1850, m:Cynthia Burns Thomas R. Williams b:1836 TX, d:1919, m:Mary Ann Beckham Thomas H. Williams b:1874 TX, d:1949 TX, m:Carrie Cavender Jack Williams b:1910 TX, d:1992 CA, m:Lora Belle Marquess Living Son Williams SHERYL WILLIAMS wrote: We are both WILLIAMS by birth. N & K Chestnut wrote: To - SHERYL WILLIAMS Sheryl Williams wrote --- "His mother Mary Elizabeth (Williams) Williams Turner" "My brother plans to test" Questions Sheryl, are you a WILLIAMS by birth or by marriage? Sheryl, is your brother a WILLIAMS or a TURNER by birth? DNA testing to check male lineage is called "yDNA". It will be the male line of his father that you will be testing. If you test a male's "mtDNA" (female DNA), you will be checking/testing his mother's female line (his mother's mother, etc.). Therefore, you will NOT be testing his mother's WILLIAMS line. Kay C. ----- Original Message ----- From: SHERYL WILLIAMS To: williams@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS] Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS & James WILLIAMS Hi, Not certain if there are other any descendants who have tested on this line. My brother plans to test but this will only take us back to Malkijah Williams who is our grgrgrgrandfather. His mother Mary Elizabeth (Williams) Williams Turner is the daughter of Allumbee. However, family history states that she first married her cousin William Williams, which is perhaps from one of Allumbee (Allen B.) Williams' brother's sons? So perhaps, indirectly the DNA test will solve both of these lines if they are ultimately through the same ancestor Sheryl ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sheryl wrote --- Can you explain how it works when Williams cousins marry/have children? My thinking is if they were first cousins, they would still share the same Williams ancestor, therefore be in the same line?. MARY ELIZABETH WILLIAMS b:abt1787, m1:WILLIAM WILLIAMS (a cousin) Kay Chestnut wrote --- Sheryl, I will try. 1st an illustration - We think that Elihu WILLIAMS m. a first cousin, Elvira STRAIT 13 Nov 1836 in Greene Co., IL., the ceremony was performed by a John THOMPSON. Yes, Elvira had a different last name, her father was Israel STRAIT. But Elvira's mother was Hannah THOMPSON. We are trying to 'prove' that Elihu was the son of Jonas WILLIAMS. There was a marriage in Mercer Co., KY. 5 Apr 1798 of a Jonas WILLIAMS and an Elizabeth THOMPSON. We think that Elizabeth was the daughter of John THOMPSON & Winifred BRICKEY. And even more researchers think that Hannah (who m. Israel STRAIT) was the daughter of John THOMPSON and Winifred BRICKEY. Thus, Elizabeth and Hannah would be sisters, and their grandchildren first cousins. I think, what Sheryl must be saying is that both Grandfathers were WILLIAMSes and were sons of the same WILLIAMS male (Great-Grandfather). Jack Williams b:1910 TX, d:1992 CA. The one you plan to yDNA test is the son of Jack WILLIAMS (1910-1992). Is that correct? William WILLIAMS was the Father of Jack WILLIAMS? Is that, also, correct? Yes, now I see the problem. MARY ELIZABETH WILLIAMS b. abt 1787 could not pass on any yDNA (male DNA) because she was not a male. Mary Elizabeth never received any of her Father's male DNA and did not pass it on. Sheryl wrote --- Alembe Williams (Allen B. ?)-b:1757 MD (Allen B.) WILLIAMS b. 1757 MD. More questions from Kay Chestnut --- Was (Allen B.) the Father of MARY ELIZABETH WILLIAMS b. abt 1787? Did (Allen B.) WILLIAMS have any sons? Did any of those sons have sons, etc.? Advice from Kay Chestnut --- I think, that is what you need another WILLIAMS male descendant of "Alembe" (Allen B.) WILLIAMS. And then you need to have him tested. If both yDNA samples test out to be close 'matches' with each other, then you will have good evidence that Mary Elizabeth WILLIAMS married a first cousin, William WILLIAMS. If you cannot come up with that other male to test, then hope and pray that Jack's son has a close 'match' with someone else in the WILLIAMS DNA Project. And hopefully that 'someone else' would have a good 'paper trail' (regular genealogical records) back to an 'Alembe' (Allen B.) WILLIAMS. Any questions Sheryl? Or are you still confused? Kay Chestnut, a WILLIAMS by birth ----- Original Message ----- From: SHERYL WILLIAMS To: williams@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS] To Sheryl WILLIAMS Sorry Kay, I missed this part of your message. [DNA testing to check male lineage is called "yDNA". It will be the male line of his father that you will be testing. If you test a male's "mtDNA" (female DNA), you will be checking/testing his mother's female line (his mother's mother, etc.). Therefore, you will NOT be testing his mother's WILLIAMS line.] Can you explain how it works when Williams cousins marry/have children? My thinking is if they were first cousins, they would still share the same Williams ancestor, therefore be in the same line?. MARY ELIZABETH WILLIAMS b:abt1787, m1:WILLIAM WILLIAMS (a cousin) My direct WILLIAMS line is: Alembe Williams (Allen B. ?)-b:1757 MD - MARY ELIZABETH WILLIAMS b:abt1787, m1:WILLIAM WILLIAMS, m2:Winslow Turner - Malkijah Williams b:1803 TN, d:aft1850, m:Cynthia Burns Thomas R. Williams b:1836 TX, d:1919, m:Mary Ann Beckham Thomas H. Williams b:1874 TX, d:1949 TX, m:Carrie Cavender Jack Williams b:1910 TX, d:1992 CA, m:Lora Belle Marquess Living Son Williams SHERYL WILLIAMS <sherwillia60@sbcglobal.net> wrote: We are both WILLIAMS by birth. N & K Chestnut wrote: To - SHERYL WILLIAMS Sheryl Williams wrote --- "His mother Mary Elizabeth (Williams) Williams Turner" "My brother plans to test" Questions Sheryl, are you a WILLIAMS by birth or by marriage? Sheryl, is your brother a WILLIAMS or a TURNER by birth? DNA testing to check male lineage is called "yDNA". It will be the male line of his father that you will be testing. If you test a male's "mtDNA" (female DNA), you will be checking/testing his mother's female line (his mother's mother, etc.). Therefore, you will NOT be testing his mother's WILLIAMS line. Kay C. ----- Original Message ----- From: SHERYL WILLIAMS To: williams@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS] Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS & James WILLIAMS Hi, Not certain if there are other any descendants who have tested on this line. My brother plans to test but this will only take us back to Malkijah Williams who is our grgrgrgrandfather. His mother Mary Elizabeth (Williams) Williams Turner is the daughter of Allumbee. However, family history states that she first married her cousin William Williams, which is perhaps from one of Allumbee (Allen B.) Williams' brother's sons? So perhaps, indirectly the DNA test will solve both of these lines if they are ultimately through the same ancestor Sheryl

Still seeking clues; and will share data. Aaron believed to be of Bedford co. Tenn. parentage mid 1700's, Frederick maybe of German descent of Ill., maybe Chicago area. Rantoul(sp) Co., Eliza Cooper WILLIAMS LEE, twice married , have LEE line and two WILLIAMS children but who is husband #1 William WILLIAMS/ , William WILLIAMS husband of Ann TITUS last known 1860 in Henry Co. Mo. HELP.Bud. ----- Original Message ----- From: <williams-request@rootsweb.com> To: <williams@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 1:04 AM Subject: WILLIAMS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 55 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS & James WILLIAMS > (F2bemee@wmconnect.com) > 2. Re: Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS & James WILLIAMS > (F2bemee@wmconnect.com) > 3. our new Williams-Chat list (Carol C-H) > 4. Re: Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS & James WILLIAMS > (SHERYL WILLIAMS) > 5. Re: To Sheryl WILLIAMS (N & K Chestnut) > 6. Re: To Sheryl WILLIAMS (SHERYL WILLIAMS) > 7. Re: To Sheryl WILLIAMS (N & K Chestnut) > 8. Re: To Sheryl WILLIAMS (SHERYL WILLIAMS) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:57:55 EDT > From: F2bemee@wmconnect.com > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS] Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS & James WILLIAMS > To: williams@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c72.ebd71a5.332718d3@wmconnect.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi has this line tested with Adrian Williams"s DNA project? TIA > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:41:37 EDT > From: F2bemee@wmconnect.com > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS] Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS & James WILLIAMS > To: williams@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c48.ba24966.33272311@wmconnect.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > http://williams.genealogy.fm/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:24:57 -0500 > From: Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> > Subject: [WILLIAMS] our new Williams-Chat list > To: Williams@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070312171922.0274e868@netdoor.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > We now have an additional WILLIAMS list for those of you who enjoy > chatting about things that relate to your ancestors and family but do > not relate directly to genealogy. To sub, go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/w/williams-chat.html or just > send a post to Williams-Chat-request@rootsweb.com with SUBSCRIBE in > the subject line. > > > Carol > http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > <cch@netdoor.com>, <cch@jam.rr.com>, <carolch@bellsouth.net> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:54:47 -0700 (PDT) > From: SHERYL WILLIAMS <sherwillia60@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS] Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS & James WILLIAMS > To: williams@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <189287.61075.qm@web82015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi, > > Not certain if there are other any descendants who have tested on this line. My brother plans to test but this will only take us back to Malkijah Williams who is our grgrgrgrandfather. His mother Mary Elizabeth (Williams) Williams Turner is the daughter of Allumbee. > > However, family history states that she first married her cousin William Williams, which is perhaps from one of Allumbee (Allen B.) Williams' brother's sons? So perhaps, indirectly the DNA test will solve both of these lines if they are ultimately through the same ancestor > > Sheryl > > F2bemee@wmconnect.com wrote: > Hi has this line tested with Adrian Williams"s DNA project? TIA > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:31:21 -0700 > From: "N & K Chestnut" <nkopportunity@gorge.net> > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS] To Sheryl WILLIAMS > To: <williams@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001501c76528$739fd3e0$0201a8c0@nednulb6bx16vi> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > To - SHERYL WILLIAMS > > Sheryl Williams wrote --- > > "His mother Mary Elizabeth (Williams) Williams Turner" > "My brother plans to test" > > Questions > Sheryl, are you a WILLIAMS by birth or by marriage? > Sheryl, is your brother a WILLIAMS or a TURNER by birth? > > DNA testing to check male lineage is called "yDNA". It will be the male line of his father that you will be testing. If you test a male's "mtDNA" (female DNA), you will be checking/testing his mother's female line (his mother's mother, etc.). Therefore, you will NOT be testing his mother's WILLIAMS line. > > Kay C. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: SHERYL WILLIAMS > To: williams@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS] Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS & James WILLIAMS > > > Hi, > > Not certain if there are other any descendants who have tested on this line. My brother plans to test but this will only take us back to Malkijah Williams who is our grgrgrgrandfather. His mother Mary Elizabeth (Williams) Williams Turner is the daughter of Allumbee. > > However, family history states that she first married her cousin William Williams, which is perhaps from one of Allumbee (Allen B.) Williams' brother's sons? So perhaps, indirectly the DNA test will solve both of these lines if they are ultimately through the same ancestor > > Sheryl > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:39:56 -0700 (PDT) > From: SHERYL WILLIAMS <sherwillia60@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS] To Sheryl WILLIAMS > To: williams@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <399150.42713.qm@web82001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > We are both WILLIAMS by birth. > > N & K Chestnut <nkopportunity@gorge.net> wrote: To - SHERYL WILLIAMS > > Sheryl Williams wrote --- > > "His mother Mary Elizabeth (Williams) Williams Turner" > "My brother plans to test" > > Questions > Sheryl, are you a WILLIAMS by birth or by marriage? > Sheryl, is your brother a WILLIAMS or a TURNER by birth? > > DNA testing to check male lineage is called "yDNA". It will be the male line of his father that you will be testing. If you test a male's "mtDNA" (female DNA), you will be checking/testing his mother's female line (his mother's mother, etc.). Therefore, you will NOT be testing his mother's WILLIAMS line. > > Kay C. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: SHERYL WILLIAMS > To: williams@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS] Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS & James WILLIAMS > > > Hi, > > Not certain if there are other any descendants who have tested on this line. My brother plans to test but this will only take us back to Malkijah Williams who is our grgrgrgrandfather. His mother Mary Elizabeth (Williams) Williams Turner is the daughter of Allumbee. > > However, family history states that she first married her cousin William Williams, which is perhaps from one of Allumbee (Allen B.) Williams' brother's sons? So perhaps, indirectly the DNA test will solve both of these lines if they are ultimately through the same ancestor > > Sheryl > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:05:53 -0700 > From: "N & K Chestnut" <nkopportunity@gorge.net> > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS] To Sheryl WILLIAMS > To: <williams@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <003501c7652d$46f16f70$0201a8c0@nednulb6bx16vi> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > If you are both WILLIAMSes by birth, test your brother, and you will be testing his WILLIAMS line. As a female/daughter, you will NOT have any of your Father's yDNA (male DNA). > > Kay C. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: SHERYL WILLIAMS > To: williams@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 9:39 PM > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS] To Sheryl WILLIAMS > > > We are both WILLIAMS by birth. > > N & K Chestnut <nkopportunity@gorge.net> wrote: To - SHERYL WILLIAMS > > Sheryl Williams wrote --- > > "His mother Mary Elizabeth (Williams) Williams Turner" > "My brother plans to test" > > Questions > Sheryl, are you a WILLIAMS by birth or by marriage? > Sheryl, is your brother a WILLIAMS or a TURNER by birth? > > DNA testing to check male lineage is called "yDNA". It will be the male line of his father that you will be testing. If you test a male's "mtDNA" (female DNA), you will be checking/testing his mother's female line (his mother's mother, etc.). Therefore, you will NOT be testing his mother's WILLIAMS line. > > Kay C. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: SHERYL WILLIAMS > To: williams@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS] Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS & James WILLIAMS > > > Hi, > > Not certain if there are other any descendants who have tested on this line. My brother plans to test but this will only take us back to Malkijah Williams who is our grgrgrgrandfather. His mother Mary Elizabeth (Williams) Williams Turner is the daughter of Allumbee. > > However, family history states that she first married her cousin William Williams, which is perhaps from one of Allumbee (Allen B.) Williams' brother's sons? So perhaps, indirectly the DNA test will solve both of these lines if they are ultimately through the same ancestor > > Sheryl > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:18:49 -0700 (PDT) > From: SHERYL WILLIAMS <sherwillia60@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS] To Sheryl WILLIAMS > To: williams@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <406581.37381.qm@web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Sorry Kay, I missed this part of your message. > > [DNA testing to check male lineage is called "yDNA". It will be the male > line of his father that you will be testing. If you test a male's > "mtDNA" (female DNA), you will be checking/testing his mother's female line > (his mother's mother, etc.). Therefore, you will NOT be testing his > mother's WILLIAMS line.] > > Can you explain how it works when Williams cousins marry/have children? My thinking is if they were first cousins, they would still share the same Williams ancestor, therefore be in the same line?. > MARY ELIZABETH WILLIAMS b:abt1787, m1:WILLIAM WILLIAMS (a cousin) > > > My direct WILLIAMS line is: > Alembe Williams (Allen B. ?)-b:1757 MD > - > MARY ELIZABETH WILLIAMS b:abt1787, m1:WILLIAM WILLIAMS, m2:Winslow Turner > - > Malkijah Williams b:1803 TN, d:aft1850, m:Cynthia Burns > Thomas R. Williams b:1836 TX, d:1919, m:Mary Ann Beckham > Thomas H. Williams b:1874 TX, d:1949 TX, m:Carrie Cavender > Jack Williams b:1910 TX, d:1992 CA, m:Lora Belle Marquess > Living Son Williams > > > SHERYL WILLIAMS <sherwillia60@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > We are both WILLIAMS by birth. > > N & K Chestnut wrote: To - SHERYL WILLIAMS > > Sheryl Williams wrote --- > > "His mother Mary Elizabeth (Williams) Williams Turner" > "My brother plans to test" > > Questions > Sheryl, are you a WILLIAMS by birth or by marriage? > Sheryl, is your brother a WILLIAMS or a TURNER by birth? > > DNA testing to check male lineage is called "yDNA". It will be the male line of his father that you will be testing. If you test a male's "mtDNA" (female DNA), you will be checking/testing his mother's female line (his mother's mother, etc.). Therefore, you will NOT be testing his mother's WILLIAMS line. > > Kay C. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: SHERYL WILLIAMS > To: williams@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS] Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS & James WILLIAMS > > > Hi, > > Not certain if there are other any descendants who have tested on this line. My brother plans to test but this will only take us back to Malkijah Williams who is our grgrgrgrandfather. His mother Mary Elizabeth (Williams) Williams Turner is the daughter of Allumbee. > > However, family history states that she first married her cousin William Williams, which is perhaps from one of Allumbee (Allen B.) Williams' brother's sons? So perhaps, indirectly the DNA test will solve both of these lines if they are ultimately through the same ancestor > > Sheryl > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the WILLIAMS list administrator, send an email to > WILLIAMS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the WILLIAMS mailing list, send an email to WILLIAMS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of WILLIAMS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 55 > *************************************** >

Yes that would answer questions. I believe Adrian has a fund for those needing assistance to test. Good luck.

Sorry Kay, I missed this part of your message. [DNA testing to check male lineage is called "yDNA". It will be the male line of his father that you will be testing. If you test a male's "mtDNA" (female DNA), you will be checking/testing his mother's female line (his mother's mother, etc.). Therefore, you will NOT be testing his mother's WILLIAMS line.] Can you explain how it works when Williams cousins marry/have children? My thinking is if they were first cousins, they would still share the same Williams ancestor, therefore be in the same line?. MARY ELIZABETH WILLIAMS b:abt1787, m1:WILLIAM WILLIAMS (a cousin) My direct WILLIAMS line is: Alembe Williams (Allen B. ?)-b:1757 MD - MARY ELIZABETH WILLIAMS b:abt1787, m1:WILLIAM WILLIAMS, m2:Winslow Turner - Malkijah Williams b:1803 TN, d:aft1850, m:Cynthia Burns Thomas R. Williams b:1836 TX, d:1919, m:Mary Ann Beckham Thomas H. Williams b:1874 TX, d:1949 TX, m:Carrie Cavender Jack Williams b:1910 TX, d:1992 CA, m:Lora Belle Marquess Living Son Williams SHERYL WILLIAMS <sherwillia60@sbcglobal.net> wrote: We are both WILLIAMS by birth. N & K Chestnut wrote: To - SHERYL WILLIAMS Sheryl Williams wrote --- "His mother Mary Elizabeth (Williams) Williams Turner" "My brother plans to test" Questions Sheryl, are you a WILLIAMS by birth or by marriage? Sheryl, is your brother a WILLIAMS or a TURNER by birth? DNA testing to check male lineage is called "yDNA". It will be the male line of his father that you will be testing. If you test a male's "mtDNA" (female DNA), you will be checking/testing his mother's female line (his mother's mother, etc.). Therefore, you will NOT be testing his mother's WILLIAMS line. Kay C. ----- Original Message ----- From: SHERYL WILLIAMS To: williams@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS] Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS & James WILLIAMS Hi, Not certain if there are other any descendants who have tested on this line. My brother plans to test but this will only take us back to Malkijah Williams who is our grgrgrgrandfather. His mother Mary Elizabeth (Williams) Williams Turner is the daughter of Allumbee. However, family history states that she first married her cousin William Williams, which is perhaps from one of Allumbee (Allen B.) Williams' brother's sons? So perhaps, indirectly the DNA test will solve both of these lines if they are ultimately through the same ancestor Sheryl ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you are both WILLIAMSes by birth, test your brother, and you will be testing his WILLIAMS line. As a female/daughter, you will NOT have any of your Father's yDNA (male DNA). Kay C. ----- Original Message ----- From: SHERYL WILLIAMS To: williams@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS] To Sheryl WILLIAMS We are both WILLIAMS by birth. N & K Chestnut <nkopportunity@gorge.net> wrote: To - SHERYL WILLIAMS Sheryl Williams wrote --- "His mother Mary Elizabeth (Williams) Williams Turner" "My brother plans to test" Questions Sheryl, are you a WILLIAMS by birth or by marriage? Sheryl, is your brother a WILLIAMS or a TURNER by birth? DNA testing to check male lineage is called "yDNA". It will be the male line of his father that you will be testing. If you test a male's "mtDNA" (female DNA), you will be checking/testing his mother's female line (his mother's mother, etc.). Therefore, you will NOT be testing his mother's WILLIAMS line. Kay C. ----- Original Message ----- From: SHERYL WILLIAMS To: williams@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS] Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS & James WILLIAMS Hi, Not certain if there are other any descendants who have tested on this line. My brother plans to test but this will only take us back to Malkijah Williams who is our grgrgrgrandfather. His mother Mary Elizabeth (Williams) Williams Turner is the daughter of Allumbee. However, family history states that she first married her cousin William Williams, which is perhaps from one of Allumbee (Allen B.) Williams' brother's sons? So perhaps, indirectly the DNA test will solve both of these lines if they are ultimately through the same ancestor Sheryl ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We are both WILLIAMS by birth. N & K Chestnut <nkopportunity@gorge.net> wrote: To - SHERYL WILLIAMS Sheryl Williams wrote --- "His mother Mary Elizabeth (Williams) Williams Turner" "My brother plans to test" Questions Sheryl, are you a WILLIAMS by birth or by marriage? Sheryl, is your brother a WILLIAMS or a TURNER by birth? DNA testing to check male lineage is called "yDNA". It will be the male line of his father that you will be testing. If you test a male's "mtDNA" (female DNA), you will be checking/testing his mother's female line (his mother's mother, etc.). Therefore, you will NOT be testing his mother's WILLIAMS line. Kay C. ----- Original Message ----- From: SHERYL WILLIAMS To: williams@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS] Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS & James WILLIAMS Hi, Not certain if there are other any descendants who have tested on this line. My brother plans to test but this will only take us back to Malkijah Williams who is our grgrgrgrandfather. His mother Mary Elizabeth (Williams) Williams Turner is the daughter of Allumbee. However, family history states that she first married her cousin William Williams, which is perhaps from one of Allumbee (Allen B.) Williams' brother's sons? So perhaps, indirectly the DNA test will solve both of these lines if they are ultimately through the same ancestor Sheryl ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To - SHERYL WILLIAMS Sheryl Williams wrote --- "His mother Mary Elizabeth (Williams) Williams Turner" "My brother plans to test" Questions Sheryl, are you a WILLIAMS by birth or by marriage? Sheryl, is your brother a WILLIAMS or a TURNER by birth? DNA testing to check male lineage is called "yDNA". It will be the male line of his father that you will be testing. If you test a male's "mtDNA" (female DNA), you will be checking/testing his mother's female line (his mother's mother, etc.). Therefore, you will NOT be testing his mother's WILLIAMS line. Kay C. ----- Original Message ----- From: SHERYL WILLIAMS To: williams@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [WILLIAMS] Allumbee (Allen B.) WILLIAMS & James WILLIAMS Hi, Not certain if there are other any descendants who have tested on this line. My brother plans to test but this will only take us back to Malkijah Williams who is our grgrgrgrandfather. His mother Mary Elizabeth (Williams) Williams Turner is the daughter of Allumbee. However, family history states that she first married her cousin William Williams, which is perhaps from one of Allumbee (Allen B.) Williams' brother's sons? So perhaps, indirectly the DNA test will solve both of these lines if they are ultimately through the same ancestor Sheryl

Hi, Not certain if there are other any descendants who have tested on this line. My brother plans to test but this will only take us back to Malkijah Williams who is our grgrgrgrandfather. His mother Mary Elizabeth (Williams) Williams Turner is the daughter of Allumbee. However, family history states that she first married her cousin William Williams, which is perhaps from one of Allumbee (Allen B.) Williams' brother's sons? So perhaps, indirectly the DNA test will solve both of these lines if they are ultimately through the same ancestor Sheryl F2bemee@wmconnect.com wrote: Hi has this line tested with Adrian Williams"s DNA project? TIA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WILLIAMS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message