Lorraine, > > do you know any more about Cherokee Williams? His birthdate, etc? Thanks. > Rosie ++++++++++++++++++++ Rosie; I have John W. "Cherokee" Williams birth as abt 1789 in Tennessee. One of his siblings has his birth recorded in Weakley Co., Tennessee, so that may be a good place to start. "Cherokee" was married to Rebecca Unknown in 1808. His death was in 11 Jul 1835 at Techuacana Springs, Texas. The following is excerpts regarding his parents and siblings sent to me by other researchers: "Thomas and (Mary) Priscilla Williams were in Louisiana Territory, just north of the Arkansas River near present Morrilton, by 1810. They and their six children were there by 1819, the year they sold their last preemption rights to the land and headed for Texas. Thomas and Priscilla Williams moved west of the Mississippi River in 1810 (according to one article). They were in Red River Co. by 1819. They were in Nacogdoches Municipality by about 1822. (one account says that they were there before 10-16-1821). They settled on the Angelina River in 1822 in what became Rusk County. He and his sons Brooks, Leonard, and William all received Texas land grants from the Mexican government by 1835. The Williams Settlement, enumerated by son-in-law William Elliott in 1835, was on Thomas's land. Thomas enlisted and served with Peter Ellis Bean (thought by some to be a relative) in the Fredonian Rebellion for the purpose of casting out the "out-laws" who readily ignored the benificance of the government in 1826. Brooks and William were Rangers for a time, and Leonard, a personal friend of Sam Houston, served as Indian Agent under him." "The Thomas Williams family settled in Hempstead Co., Arkansas where it is probable their son, William, met his wife-to-be Cinderella, possibly a Shaw or a Bean." "July 1997: Stockman Family Newsletter, Vol 3 #4 1988, pgs 62-66: Thomas Williams possibly from TN & Priscilla whose maiden name was possibly Brooks; the Brooks may have come from SC. Thomas was granted land in Mexican Texas in 1826 & his sons were not far behind: William, Leonard, Brooks, John A & 2 girls Mary Polly &?. The family had been in the unknown area which was between Ark & Spanish Tx. They lived beside Sam Houston in Tn prior to his fame. The family spent some time in Ark living alongside the Cherokee Indians, where Leonard & William married Nancy & Mary Isaacs." Now the latter, is possibly suggesting that the Isaac sisters are Cherokee. Just a guess. ---Lorraine

Hi Lilly, I actually have 3 William Williams in my database. The only info I have on my William WILLIAMS is that he was born 25 Oct 1803 in Weakley Co., Tenn. He married in 1825 to Mary Isaacs and then died in 14 May 1894 in Ranger, Eastland Co., Texas. He had another marriage to Lucinda Jane Bean and may have had more marriages. I have no children for him. That is all I know. Your William could very well be MY William's son. Also, William Williams (1803) had a brother, Leonard Houston Williams, who also had a son named William Williams b. 10 May 1833 in Texas. I have no other info on him except for the names of his siblings: Leonard Houston, Jr., Thomas, Mary, Sallie, Priscilla, Melinda, Polly and Nancy. In looking in my database I also found a 3rd William Lockwood Williams b. 1854 in Navarro, TX to Frederick Washington Williams and Frances "Fanny" E. Estes. Well, they probably aren't yours but maybe they can help knock out a brick in that wall. ---Lorraine > Can you give me some peticulars about the children of your Williams'. My > brick wall is William D. Williams b. abt 1880-85 East Texas d. abt 1945 > Angelina Co Tx. he was a logger until he lost a leg and the he worked for > the railroad. Some years later he and his wife Sallie Brown b. 1885 Tx d. > 1977 Angelina Co Tx, ran a boarding house. > Lilly Phelps > Tx >

The third Williams line I've found is short, before marrying into lines that married into my father's, Gilbert. John Williams b. about 1610 in England, migrated to VA before 1663. His daughter, b. about 1650 in England, marriedJohn R. Warren (b. 1635 in Old Rappahannock County, VA). Thomas Warren was their son. Thomas' daughter Elizabeth married into a line that married into a line, etc., that married into my father's line. Any help would be appreciated. Vivian Zabel Edmond, Oklahoma ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

My second Williams line goes back to Dorchester, Maryland, Edward Williams b. about 1731. His daughter Margaret, born about 1755, Dorchester, MD, married John Abbott. She died about 1800 in Indiana. Her daughter, Elizabeth Abbott, married an Osburn. Through marriages, the line joined the Gilbert line, my father's. Vivian Zabel Edmond, Oklahoma ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Hi Allen....I found 2 of my ancestors' Revolutionary War Pension applications at the regional facility of the National Archives and Records Admin. in Pittsfield, Massachusetts. If you've never been to one of the NARA facilities or are not familiar, you can go to www.archives.gov. In the upper right-hand corner of their home page, you'll see a "Where is...? Where do I...?" window. When you click on that, it will give you a drop-down menu from which you can choose "location/hours" and that will tell you where all the facilities are throughout the USA. I think most of the regional NARA facilities have ALL the applications on microfilm (regardless of which state the applications were originally filed). Additionally, most State Archives facilities (I think) have the applications on microfilm as well. (I believe I noticed that the Tennessee State Archives had them when I was researching there last winter). But just because an ancestor served in that war doesn't necessarily mean he filed a pension application (i.e. - he and his spouse may have died before the pension program was initiated). You'll have to go through an index to see if there is an application on file for your ancestor(s). If anyone else has better advice than this, please jump in here! There may be an index on-line (Library of Virginia???) Good luck Allen! Let me know if you need more help. ~Jane

We are seeking information on: John M. WILLIAMS b. 08 April 1776 MA(?)(we suspect it was closer to 1786, but that is date on tombstone) d. 01 July 1860 Green Co.,WI m. Mrs. Abbey H. (Bogue) DEE ( m 1st James DEE) 28 October 1823 Lebanon Twp., Ashtabula Co., Ohio c. Josiah WILLIAMS b. 28 December 1825 Lebanon, Ashtabula Co., Ohio m1) Elizabeth Loretta NIPPLE m2) Rosetta NIPPLE (sister of above) Any information on John would be GREATLY appreciated! Robin

This is a genealogy list - we are hunting ancestors - please do not post asking for information about living people. We do not supply info about living people, even if we know it, because to do so might jeopardize their well-being. Thanks! Carol (listowner for the Williams list) At 11:11 AM 9/21/2002 -0700, dhr909@earthlink.net wrote: >Hello, > >Does anyone have this brother and sister in their line? I don't >know Sabra's married name, which makes it more difficult, but I'm >hopeful someone out there knows them. I believe Geista was in the >Air Force. They lived in Portales, NM with their parents, Cloyd >May (Haney-Maiden name) Williams, and Howard "Rabbit" Williams. > >They also lived in OK, CO, and I believe they are presently in >NC or SC somewhere?????? > >Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. > > >==== WILLIAMS Mailing List ==== >List web page: http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/lists/WILLIAMS.htm >Your WILLIAMS listowner - Carol >C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/

Thanks to Debi (debip@bellsouth.net) who recommended census-online.com, I saw James Mastin Williams & family there in the 1850 census a while ago. But - your Elizabeth was born 1821. This Elizabeth was born 1849 or so. Plus - James & Elsa were married in 1820 but in the 1850 census their oldest child listed wasn't born until about 1838. Not likely a couple would have to wait THAT long. There must have been other earlier children who were grown & gone by 1850. So we're back to the original question mark. Hmmmm...

According to notes (unverified by me), Mary Elizabeth D. Williams (first HF Shelton wife) died in 1840 after having one child, Martha Elizabeth, in 1939. The dates are off in the info I have on the next two marriages and spouses' ages - they do not make sense, and am not sure which ones are accurate, if any. When Mary and Henry's baby Martha was a toddler, Henry remarried - a woman who was dying of TB, and she wanted nothing to do with Mary's daughter, and reportedly abused her, so the child was sent to live with Mary's parents. After that woman's death, he married Martha, the sister of his first wife, and they had Laura and Clara. *IF* the dates I have been sent in this data are correct, this is probably the wrong family- but I suspect the dates are NOT correct, given that they conflict even in this data, so I will be doing some checking asap. If James *was* Mary and Martha's father, his two younger children's being named for Mary would be understandable. I gotta check some dates. HF Shelton and Martha's first child was born (according to one source) in 1854. I wonder if this Martha on the 1850 is the daughter of Mary - the age is right - and Mary's sister Martha is probably already married to Henry - I gotta check some censuses and dates. Carol (getting confused and running around in circles) At 10:59 AM 9/21/2002 -0400, you wrote: >And a little more! This from the notes of Gayle Austin who is also >researching the William Williams/Lucy Terry line (look at the last child >listed!): > >Children of JAMES MASTIN WILLIAMS and ELSIE MOTLEY are: > i. JAMES M. WILLIAMS III. > ii. MARTHA W WILLIAMS. > iii. ALICE WILLIAMS. > iv. MARY SAMUEL WILLIAMS. (middle name was actually > "Lemuel") > v. WILLIAM D WILLIAMS. > vi. ELIZABETH WILLIAMS. > >Carol - I think we've got something here. If we can find this family in >the census, that would be great. Anybody out there have quick easy access >to the 1860 Pittsylvania County VA census? >Thanks. ~Jane

This is from the 1850 - Williams James M. 49 M . Merchant . Virginia . . . . . Williams Alcy B. 44 F . . . Virginia . . . . . Williams James 12 M . . . Virginia . . . . Williams Martha 11 F . . . Virginia . . . . . Williams William D. 8 M . . . Virginia . . . . . Williams Alice 7 F . . . Virginia . . . . .Williams Mary S. 4 F . . . Virginia . . . . . Williams Elizabeth 1 F . . . Virginia At 10:59 AM 9/21/2002 -0400, Jpsnidow2@aol.com wrote: >And a little more! This from the notes of Gayle Austin who is also >researching the William Williams/Lucy Terry line (look at the last child >listed!): > >Children of JAMES MASTIN WILLIAMS and ELSIE MOTLEY are: > i. JAMES M. WILLIAMS III. > ii. MARTHA W WILLIAMS. > iii. ALICE WILLIAMS. > iv. MARY SAMUEL WILLIAMS. (middle name was actually > "Lemuel") > v. WILLIAM D WILLIAMS. > vi. ELIZABETH WILLIAMS. > >Carol - I think we've got something here. If we can find this family in >the census, that would be great. Anybody out there have quick easy access >to the 1860 Pittsylvania County VA census? >Thanks. ~Jane

Hello, Does anyone have this brother and sister in their line? I don't know Sabra's married name, which makes it more difficult, but I'm hopeful someone out there knows them. I believe Geista was in the Air Force. They lived in Portales, NM with their parents, Cloyd May (Haney-Maiden name) Williams, and Howard "Rabbit" Williams. They also lived in OK, CO, and I believe they are presently in NC or SC somewhere?????? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

And a little more! This from the notes of Gayle Austin who is also researching the William Williams/Lucy Terry line (look at the last child listed!): Children of JAMES MASTIN WILLIAMS and ELSIE MOTLEY are: i. JAMES M. WILLIAMS III. ii. MARTHA W WILLIAMS. iii. ALICE WILLIAMS. iv. MARY SAMUEL WILLIAMS. (middle name was actually "Lemuel") v. WILLIAM D WILLIAMS. vi. ELIZABETH WILLIAMS. Carol - I think we've got something here. If we can find this family in the census, that would be great. Anybody out there have quick easy access to the 1860 Pittsylvania County VA census? Thanks. ~Jane

Yes, that IS possible. (The will of Wilmoth Walker Williams is dated April 1850.) I did come across one of the Shelton connections: James Mastin Wms. Jr.'s brother, William M. Williams had a daughter "Elizabeth A." who married Will H. Shelton 8-17-1829. But here is something you might find of more interest and it certainly opens up the possibility - although not hard documentation - for Martha W. having a sister Elizabeth: I have an old letter in my possession dated Oct. 26, 1933 from a Lessie Madison Garrett in Monroe, LA to a Mrs. Dunn (a descendant of this Williams line). Mrs. Garrett had been to see an old man (Henry Tunstall) who was born in 1855 in Pittsylvania Co. and was a servant of Robert Walker Williams (Mrs. Dunn's grandfather - my 2nd great grandfather). The letter quoted Mr. Tunstall's comments about who he remembered in the family..."Mr. Jim (ref. to James Mastin Wms. Jr.) kept a tavern at the south end of Main St. in Danville and that his daughters were Miss Sara who married Bainman; Miss Alice married Gravely; Miss Virginia married Anderson; Miss Mack married Jim Calloway; *Miss Bettie-single; Mr. Jim-single (ref. to James Mastin Wms. III)." Wasn't the name 'Bettie' sometimes a nickname for 'Elizabeth'? 1860 July- U.S.Census Pittsylvania County Va, (Whitmell Post Office) page 63 lists Robert W. Williams age 53 (my 2nd greatgrandfather) and family. We need to look for James Mastin Williams Jr. & family in the 1860 census! When I get up to the Nat'l Archives again, I will do that but it will be awhile probably. ~Jane

Greetings, I am new to your list. I am researching several Williams including: Elizabeth A. (1838-1897) B. MS, D. TX; Thomas C., Sr. (1817-1868) B. TN, D. TX; Claiborne (1775-1851) B. SC, D. MS; Daniel and Eleanor Williams mid 1700's, SC . Any help on these folks or this family would be greatly appreciated! Pattee

Greetings, I am new to your list. I am researching several Williams including: Elizabeth A. (1838-1897) B. MS, D. TX; Thomas C., Sr. (1817-1868) B. TN, D. TX; Claiborne (1775-1851) B. SC, D. MS; Daniel and Eleanor Williams mid 1700's, SC . Any help on these folks or this family would be greatly appreciated! Pattee

Does anyone have any information on a Mary Priscilla BROOKS b. in Tenn. who m. Thomas WILLIAMS in 1780? She died at the Williams Family Settlement in Nacogdoches, Texas in 1834. Am wondering about her ancestry (her husband's also). She had the following children: John W. "Cherokee" Williams Brooks Williams Leonard Houston Williams Naomi Williams Nancy Brooks Williams (whom I descend from) William Williams (poor guy) Mary "Polly" Williams Thank you, ---Lorraine

What was the date of the will? Might she possibly have omitted Mary due to the fact that she was married already? Carol At 07:18 PM 9/20/2002 -0400, Jpsnidow2@aol.com wrote: >I do think that your Martha Wilmouth Williams probably WAS the dau. of James >Mastin Williams/Ann Elsa Motley. I'll have to dig through my notes to see >what I have on the Shelton connection. > >The one problem I have though, is your "Mary Elizabeth D. Williams" being the >sister of Martha W. The date is okay (1821) as James Mastin Wms. Jr. & Ann >Elsa Motley were married in May, 1820. But in the will of James' mother, >Wilmoth Walker Williams, she specifically mentions her grandchildren >"children of my son James M Williams-James M. Williams, Martha W. Williams, >Alice Williams, Mary Lemuel Williams, William D Williams, under 21". > >My research is slow (as time allows) but ongoing and I will certainly keep >you posted. Good luck with the computer problems. May you be back up and >running 100% soon! ~Jane > > > > > > > > > > >==== WILLIAMS Mailing List ==== >List web page: http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/lists/WILLIAMS.htm >Your WILLIAMS listowner - Carol >C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/

I am looking for any information on a William Williams who married Martha (Polley) Winston in Franklin Co. NC c. 1795. I think that he was born c. 1770 in Bute/Franklin Co. NC. and died 1827 in Franklin Co., NC. Martha was born c. 1775 in Bute/Franklin Co. William's father may have been Richard Williams and Martha's father may have been Isaac Winston.

I do think that your Martha Wilmouth Williams probably WAS the dau. of James Mastin Williams/Ann Elsa Motley. I'll have to dig through my notes to see what I have on the Shelton connection. The one problem I have though, is your "Mary Elizabeth D. Williams" being the sister of Martha W. The date is okay (1821) as James Mastin Wms. Jr. & Ann Elsa Motley were married in May, 1820. But in the will of James' mother, Wilmoth Walker Williams, she specifically mentions her grandchildren "children of my son James M Williams-James M. Williams, Martha W. Williams, Alice Williams, Mary Lemuel Williams, William D Williams, under 21". My research is slow (as time allows) but ongoing and I will certainly keep you posted. Good luck with the computer problems. May you be back up and running 100% soon! ~Jane

Over the past couple of months I have had computer difficulties which necessitated my putting my personal research on a back burner while getting lists and websites handled. Am not through getting organized, but can't pass up this opportunity to connect!!! The Martha Wilmouth Williams I am researching is surely descended from someone in this line, wouldn't;t you think? Mary Elizabeth D. Williams, b. 1821, VA, m (1839) Henry Featherstone Shelton. Mary died, and Henry maried again. 2nd wife died, and Henry married a third time - to first wife's sister, Martha Wilmouth Williams, b. ca. 1833, VA. Henry and Martha W. are my grandson's ancestors. Any assistance in connecting these folks with your lines would be much appreciated!! Carol At 04:51 PM 9/20/2002 -0400, Jpsnidow2@aol.com wrote: >I have been researching the family of this John Williams. I descend from >John's younger brother, Robert Walker Williams (b. 1807) of Pittsylvania >County VA. See if this compares to your notes: >John and Robert were 2 of 14 children of James Mastin Williams/Wilmoth >Walker. (To go backward a bit, James Mastin Williams was one of 7 sons of >William Williams/Lucy Terry.) > >(So to really start at the beginning -here is a BRIEF outline of my notes): >William Williams b.ca. 1728, d. between Dec. 1777 and May 1780. I have >nothing on his parents/ancestry. That will come in the future hopefully. He >first married Mary Lewis (I have some info on her ancestry). William & Mary >had 2 children: Lewis and Susannah. Next William married Lucy Terry >November 21, 1755 in Halifax County VA. > >Lucy Terry b. ca. 1737 and died by July 21, 1788 in Pittsylvania County. She >was the dau. of Joseph Terry/Judith Crawford. > >William & Lucy's children: >1.Joseph Terry Williams b. 1756 d. after 1832. >2.John Williams (I am DESPERATE for info on him). >3.James Mastin Williams 1763-1838.*(see next section below). >4.Thomas Terry Williams d. 1794. >5.David Champness Williams. >6.William Mastin Williams. >7.Doctor Crawford Williams d. bef. May 1857. >- - - - > >*James Mastin Williams m. in 1784 to Wilmoth Walker (1768-1850). She was the >dau. of Col. James & Catherine Walker of Brunswick county, VA . >The children of James & Wilmoth (all born in Pittsylvania County as far as I >know): >1. Polly W. Williams b. 1786. >2. Susanna Williams. >3. Benjamin W. Williams. >4. Col. John Williams m. Elizabeth Wooding 11-13-1815. She was the dau. of >Thomas H. Wooding. I know that a dau. of John & Elizabeth married into the >Madison family in Louisiana. >5. Elizabeth W. Williams m. Wm. L. Terry in 1808. >6. Martha W. Williams m. John McAlister in 1824. >7. Samuel Carter Williams b. bef. 1807. >8. Sarah C. Williams m. Major William Leftwich 1820. >9. Thomas Terry Williams. >10. Wilmoth Motley Williams m. Thomas H. Neal. >11. Catherine Williams 1797-1876 m. Stephen Coleman Townes. >12. James Mastin Williams Jr. 1802-1864 m. Ann Elsa Motley. >13. Robert Walker Williams b. 1807. I have MUCH MUCH more on him & on the >lineage of his wife Elizabeth Pocahontas Martin, dau.of Col. Joseph Martin & >Sally Hughes. >14. William M. Williams 1809-1859. > >If interested, I have the wills of: >William Williams (dated Dec. 1777). >Lucy Terry Williams (dated 6-25-1788). >James Mastin Williams (dated 12-1836). >Wilmoth Walker Williams (dated April 1850 - but I need to get a better copy >of her will to properly transcribe it) > >Also have the Revolutionary War Pension Applications of Joseph Terry Williams >and of James Mastin Williams (both applications dated 1832). Willing to >share any of the above if it would help. ~Jane > > > > >==== WILLIAMS Mailing List ==== >List web page: http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/lists/WILLIAMS.htm >Your WILLIAMS listowner - Carol >C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/