I figured I'd post this once every 6 months and hope some new member to the list has information. . . . Anybody ever heard of Roland Emery (or Emory) Williams? We're told he was born in Massachusetts in 1877 or 1878, but he doesn't appear on the 1880 census. He was practicing medicine in Chicago by 1908-1910, and married Susan Edna Damon in 1910 and moved to California shortly afterward. Died in Los Angeles in 1919. I can't find any information on him anywhere -- he doesn't appear in the 1880 census, his name doesn't bring up any hits on any of the genealogy Web sites. I'm still waiting for California to send me a copy of his death certificate. All he left behind was a photo (no identifying info), my father and the Williams name (my father passed on, but knew nothing about his father -- his mother wouldn't even allow his name mentioned), a headstone with no information, and a bunch of medical stationery from Chicago. And a lot of rumors -- he may have been a bigamist. He may not have been licensed to practice medicine. My grandparents may not have been legally married. There's a lot of speculation. He was apparently a very colorful character before his untimely death. Many people have kindly pointed out that I should get his death certificate or contact medical schools that he might have attended -- so that advice has already been given and taken <s>. If you have any information about this most mysterious Williams, or have another trick up your sleeve that I can try, I'd really appreciate it! Thanks! Karen Williams Johnson kwj@lynxrobotics.com http://home.socal.rr.com/kjquilts

Looking for family that can help me build a small tree of her family to connect into my Shelby County Williams families. I know she is part of the Shelby County Williams, but i am having trouble locating anyone who ever worked her tree besides me. Jim Shivers shivers@xtremechat.org http://www.xtremechat.org Shelby County, TN Migrations Coordinator PS: Do not reply if you do not want your information used to help build a larger more correct version of these families. PSS: If you are a "For Profit" genealogist, then delete this email and do not use the content in your next book. PSSS: If you want help in locating your ancestors, scan and copy all your books or send them to me for Search Archiving. All items returned always !!

"These are the 'genealogists' who rush to submit every little detail, whether correct or not, in order to see their names in print on the internet." AMEN to this, Mary. George Lincoln, CA

My husbands father had always stated that we were shirttail relation to the WIlliams in the nearby town of Rushford, New York (Allegany County). I have been given a genealogy of those Williams in hopes of finding out the connection. This genealogy goes back to Moses Williams from Pantgwyn, Wales. Moses had three sons: James (1775-1844), Moses, and Robert (1787-1871). Does anyone connect to this line and can tell me if they have a Robert William Williams that was married to an Elizabeth Llewellyn? They had a son James Paul Williams (1835-1909) born in Freedom, New York Cattaraugus County (right next to Allegany County). James was married to Eleanor Thomas who I believe was born in Wales (1835-1909). Any Clues? I have recently been in contact with the Daniel Williams family in Rushford and his wife Anne states that her Mother - in - law keeps in touch with family in Wales. I know that my Williams were from Wales as the Freedom Town Clerk stated that the death certificate said that Robert was from Wales. Any help would be gratefully appreciated. Lois Lane ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

At 02:07 AM 10/29/02 -0500, AWNRDC@aol.com wrote: >[snip] >My grandmother and her father were researching their family as far back as >1906, according to letters I have in my possession. I can't begin to imagine >the monies spent on documents, postage, copying, etc. On my grandfather's >side, I have cousins who have been researching that family for thirty years. >ALL of us share our information freely. >[snip] > >Remember that it is not stealing or plagiarism or unethical if the original >person is credited. Even if the document is quoted directly. > >Manners and proper citational form are all that is required to solve this >conflict. It also will make our research more credible and scholarly. > >What I think BELONGS to me are the pleasures and memories of the hunt. The >rest BELONGS to my family. Hi: Exactly! I have a genealogical register that was handwritten, in a lined notebook of the kind a student would use, in the mid-1800s, along with many letters and notes taken at that time, and a nearly continuous record of the family researches ever since. The "mass of documents" has changed hands twice. "Quoting" my own web site with editorial insertions: My DUTTON ancestry is taken from years of research, much of which came into my hands after the death of my grandmother Ruth (WILLIAMS) DUTTON (1908-1975) of Springfield, Vermont. That which she did not discover herself was given to her, probably sometime in the 1930s, by my first cousin thrice removed "Myra" (SEVERANCE) JACOBS (1875-1958) of Saxtons River, Vermont. She in her turn had research notes and documents that were gathered in the mid to late 1800s, by whom I do not know. Someone much wiser than I am once said, "Scatter your bread on the water; it will come back to you." He also recommended, "If a man takes your coat, give him your shirt." Following these maxims will certainly not help you keep the results of your research to yourself, but it will most likely help control your blood pressure. Darrell Darrell Allen MARTIN a native Vermonter currently in exile in Addison, Illinois darrellm@sprynet.com www.darrell-martin.net/genealogy/

In a message dated 10/28/2002 7:35:58 PM Central Standard Time, robinsnest@centurytel.net writes: > Should you or anyone else have a right to take > for free what we have paid for? NO! And, it is people like you that are > causing many of us NOT to publish on the Internet. You think because it is > on the net it belongs to you? Guess what, copyright laws DO apply and you > cannot legally take the information without asking the author first..... > Even if it were not against the law to take and publish others hard work, > what about the moral issues? Perhaps you can sleep well at night knowing > you stole something that did not belong to you, but I sure couldn't. > My grandmother and her father were researching their family as far back as 1906, according to letters I have in my possession. I can't begin to imagine the monies spent on documents, postage, copying, etc. On my grandfather's side, I have cousins who have been researching that family for thirty years. ALL of us share our information freely. My $1000 investment in research is traded off by my cousin's $1000 investment in research. What I see going on is a "sea-change" in genealogy from the old "each researcher travels and spends" to "coalitions travel and research in their area and share." Some adapt well to change; others don't. I understand both sets of feelings, while I endorse the latter. I understand charging for books, as the publishing costs are separate from research expenses. We are solving that problem by putting ours onto CD's ($1 a CD and cheap postage) and everyone is getting credit for their work. Since we are scattered across the nation, we have a wider access to more repositories of data, including private caches of family letters, obits, wedding announcements, photos, certificates -- birth, death, marriage, yearbooks, etc. This allows us to SAVE the thousands of $$$ and hours it would cost EACH of us to travel to all the libraries and archives and collect all the information individually. Genealogy is about FAMILY. FAMILY, as I was raised, is about cooperation and sharing. My 8th cousins belong to me as much as my direct line belongs to my 8th cousins. I do not feel I have the right to POSSESS the information about my line and the sources of the documentation nor to keep it from interested parties in order to get credit or make a profit. To me the goal is to have the information available instead of lost in time. I spend lots of hours and money on research trips myself. My attitude is the money buys me the pleasure of DOING the research in the archives in those locations, to SEE the land my family owned 150 or 200 years ago. It also BUYS me the PRIVILEGE of giving a GIFT to my family at large -- including those members who may not, through health or financial reasons, have the liberty to travel to those locations. I find I get enormous payoffs -- the joy of meeting a distant cousin in a Louisville, GA library, of spending three delightful days as the guest of a phenomenal genealogist/cousin in Atlanta, corresponding with cousins all over the country who enrich my life with travel photos, family photos, seeing the portable organ my ggggrandfather gave his daughter c. 1846 and playing a tune on it, learning from the archivists and librarians and historical or genealogical society members I meet, and, yes, the thrill of occasionally finding something that verifies an oral tradition or a theorized connection. I also spend hours and money doing lookups for people and copying and transcribing and scanning documents, photos, pages from books. From this I get the pleasure of HELPING SOMEONE ELSE. Now, as a matter of the Southern manners my grandmother taught me, I ask permission WHEN I CAN REACH THEM. Even if I cannot reach them, I credit them with the information, thank them for making it available and invite them to contact me. One such person has contacted me, and was completely gracious. In return, he got the information I had added to his original document. Occasionally, I have been "ripped off." ::Shrug:: I don't own the FACTS. I only own the words I use to describe the family beyond the FACTS of births, marriages, divorces, remarriages, and deaths. While I do not condone plagiarism, I recall that "imitation is the highest form of flattery." If my words are so compelling and perfect that someone feels they wish to "steal" them, I am honored. The thief will be shown to be what he/she is in the long run. I get leads from websites totally unconnected to my family, because someone has posted a deed or court document on which my family member appears as participant or witness. I try to contact them --some don't have a contact address or email at all, and others have outdated ones -- to thank them for posting it and ask permission to use the information. Whether or not I am successful in contacting them, I credit their website. Remember that it is not stealing or plagiarism or unethical if the original person is credited. Even if the document is quoted directly. Manners and proper citational form are all that is required to solve this conflict. It also will make our research more credible and scholarly. What I think BELONGS to me are the pleasures and memories of the hunt. The rest BELONGS to my family.

I'm a member of two Myfamily.com web sites and they stopped being totally private back in June or May. You still have to be a invited member of the site to post to it but not to view the info. lee

I know everyone means well and trying to help, but I think after 20 or so e-mails giving advice, we all got the message......................lets get back to what this site is intended for - to post queries and help one another if we have the info. in our files to be of assistance........ Happy Hunting, Judi

Correction should be made to my instructions re finding info about how to use Acclerated Indexing System at Family History Centers (LDS) On <A HREF="www.familysearch.org">www.familysearch.org</A> Click on Search Click on Research Helps Second item on left should be: Sorted by title Click on that. Second item on right (under the A's) should be: Acclerated Indexing System Item 30970 Sorry about the senior moments. They come quickly these days. E.W.Wallace

How does one become a certified genealogist? > [Original Message] > From: Bobbye Davis <bobbye@microsped.com> > To: <WILLIAMS-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 10/28/2002 12:11:33 PM > Subject: [WILLIAMS] Copy write of your materials > > I asked my cousin who is a Certified Genealogist about copy write. This her > reply > > . Your research is copyright already when you write it and sign your name > as researcher. > > As that stupid person said, all records are public. Public records, yes, > but not when you dig them out with hours of your time invested and somebody > comes along and uses your exact wording for their own write up. > > Besides, you are the one with the documentation. If any questions arise, > you are the one to give the answers. What answers is he going to give if > asked? He must refer the question to you as the author of the published > piece. He cannot answer with authority if he did not do the research. Why > would anyone want to put themselves in that position? The legal term for > this type of "stealing" is Plagiarism. (copying, lifting, stealing, illegal > use, breach of copyright, bootlegging) . > > > > > > > > > ==== WILLIAMS Mailing List ==== > List web page: http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/lists/WILLIAMS.htm > Your WILLIAMS listowner - Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ --- Carla Turner --- kitten0318@earthlink.net

At 08:06 AM 10/28/02 -0800, Mary Bateman wrote: >Hello Williams List, > >One way to try to correct any misinformation out there if people are >unwilling/unable to delete/correct misinformation is that some of those >trees have the capability to add "postems". This might be the place to add >in a disclaimer that the info is wrong and to contact you at your email >address if there are any questions so you can correct the interested party. >The postems can not be deleted because they require a password that you >enter when you add the info. At least it's a start if ancestry, rootsweb and >LDS are unwilling/unable to delete the multiple trees that are incorrect >copies > >Mary in CA Hi, Mary: Ancestry, RootsWeb, and LDS do not claim accuracy for any of the user-supplied information that they make available. For them to do that, they would have to have an entire regiment of Certified Genealogists, at least, as paid staff, checking up on each submission. You would have to pay many hundreds of dollars a year for access, for many fewer records than are now available. The LDS (I am not a member of that religion) are particular careful to point out that the nature of the information that is supplied in the Personal Ancestral File and the International Genealogical Index make it inevitable that the quality of the information will be "uneven", at best. They post that disclaimer on the familysearch.org website, and the volunteers at my nearby FHC say the same thing. Yet there are nuggets of gold in the mud at the bottom of the creek, and I am so very glad that I have had the chance to find a few of them. Anyone who takes any of this secondary information at face value will get results that match in quality. But oh, what clues!! Darrell Darrell Allen MARTIN a native Vermonter currently in exile in Addison, Illinois darrellm@sprynet.com www.darrell-martin.net/genealogy/

I guess many people also point their fingers at me. Yes, I have a website , and yes i research my materials myself. BUT !!!! When you post your information on the Internet it is in public view.Automatically downloaded into your system without your knowledge. This is where i spend hours every night going through my cache of information looking over the clues. I take your email's to this very list and attach them to a named entry in my database hoping that one day i will dig up a document to support your internet writings.You posted the information in a public forum on a public mailing list. Get real, Thats kinda stupid to post it on the internet then run around complaining because it shows up in someone elses work. This is the grey area. You said it on the internet and i located a document for it. Does this make me wrong ? Does this mean i stole your work ? Or does this mean i took the ball where you were fumbling because my research also included similar named persons with similar dates and you pop a name that fits my research and i continue to work your lead. Grey Area. I am getting hammered daily because i have so much information on my website and I claim very little except for the documents i place against the names and the complete collection of collections. I do correct errors when people are nice to me and offer the corrections. This is when some people send you the corrections in the form of a garbage file that corrupts and ruins your work and my work together. To me that is illegal on your part to be so jealous that i have more on your family than you, but then again i spend thousands of hours also researching the same families for different reasons. More importantly to me is this. I am working a large circle of families to find a single person. I know about everyone of these families more than you do and i only need your data to put it all together. You posted it, you quoted the references and all i need now is the exact same document to prove my part of the research where all the families come together. Where you may be working a straight narrow, I am working a large circle around you researching families that you do not care to have in your research. The only way to prove my family is to work your family to locate the clues. The whole genealogy community has given me a rude, raw, nasty taste in my mouth. I am ready to take my clues to my grave. That is way to selfish and I have to much time invested to just give up because your clue is copyrighted. Screw the copyright, document it, and get the document yourself, WHO cares WHO found it first ??? Are you that self centered that it makes that big a deal to you that you found you dead ancestors birthdate and you are so stupid to think that no one will ever find it too ? I find that these people want to profit from their research and this is where i draw my line in the sand. I spend thousands of dollars also, i research the clues that you toss out, I prove those first to get them out of the way. I take pride in the fact i am working my family, I take pride in the fact that i share my research for free, But i do not trust any other researchers and i only believe it when i have a document in MY hand. Then i have the proof that i need.. The difference is that i give my documents away for free and you moan and complain that someone is working your family and not giving you credit for your research. Again, WHO CARES ? If its that important to you to be so secretive, then unsubscribe from the lists, never tell anyone, never publish it in a book , never upload it to any website and eventually WHO CARES. I know that my work is a collection of mistakes, mistakes that are keeping the whole big picture from coming together. To me when i post it on MY PERSONAL WEBSITE, then it is private to me. I do not invite you to come look over my free documents that i spent my thousands of hours locating and then i post them on my site in plain view for free.. I want these documents out in the open so that eventually someone will also help locate a missing relative of mine. What the internet has done is ruin the credability of genealogy. It has ruined the profitability of genealogy. And the profiteers are those that scream the loudest and also threaten to SUE other family members for chasing a clue on the same grandfather. What a family system of sharing and working together for a common goal.. Also. Do not email a mailing list and ask a few questions hoping someone will give you that big break so that you can run and copyright it and then start sueing everyone because you are also calling this your research. You would not get that clue without one of us replying to your email. Guess this is why i am quiet on the list, i scavage the information i want, post it into a larger database full of more information that you have in yours and then i work the magic of trying to connect them all together. If they connect correctly then they must fit. You will never hear of me sueing someone because they used my information to crack a big old nasty genealogy nightmare. I encourage it and i also encourage others to post freely. Just remember if you post something, its public knowledge forever. There are websites that record your information many years down the line just because you put it on the internet.

This is all good and well, but the information I found posted was NOT previously on the Internet, nor was it my intention that it be posted since it was a working copy and not verified. Now, the information is posted in such a way as to look like fact. Since it was posted, I have made corrections and found reliable sources. The corrections have been placed on the Internet, but after reading your letter I may remove it. Many of us started our genealogy pre-internet. What this means to many is thousands of dollars spent on snail-mail, certificates, private researchers, travel etc... Should you or anyone else have a right to take for free what we have paid for? NO! And, it is people like you that are causing many of us NOT to publish on the Internet. You think because it is on the net it belongs to you? Guess what, copyright laws DO apply and you cannot legally take the information without asking the author first. I have NEVER turned down anyone who asked, even providing additional information that is not on the internet. Even if it were not against the law to take and publish others hard work, what about the moral issues? Perhaps you can sleep well at night knowing you stole something that did not belong to you, but I sure couldn't. While I agree that the information found in major sites, like Ancestry, LDS Etc... should be able to be freely used, since the author already gave it away, information from personal websites should NOT be used without the authors permission. Just my humble opinion. Robin At 07:54 PM 10/28/02 -0500, James Shivers wrote: >I guess many people also point their fingers at me. Yes, I have a website , >and yes i research my materials myself. BUT !!!! When you post your >information on the Internet it is in public view.Automatically downloaded >into your system without your knowledge. This is where i spend hours every >night going through my cache of information looking over the clues. I take >your email's to this very list and attach them to a named entry in my >database hoping that one day i will dig up a document to support your >internet writings.You posted the information in a public forum on a public >mailing list. Get real, Thats kinda stupid to post it on the internet then >run around complaining because it shows up in someone elses work. This is >the grey area. You said it on the internet and i located a document for it. >Does this make me wrong ? Does this mean i stole your work ? Or does this >mean i took the ball where you were fumbling because my research also >included similar named persons with similar dates and you pop a name that >fits my research and i continue to work your lead. Grey Area. I am getting >hammered daily because i have so much information on my website and I claim >very little except for the documents i place against the names and the >complete collection of collections. I do correct errors when people are nice >to me and offer the corrections. This is when some people send you the >corrections in the form of a garbage file that corrupts and ruins your work >and my work together. To me that is illegal on your part to be so jealous >that i have more on your family than you, but then again i spend thousands >of hours also researching the same families for different reasons. > >More importantly to me is this. I am working a large circle of families to >find a single person. I know about everyone of these families more than you >do and i only need your data to put it all together. You posted it, you >quoted the references and all i need now is the exact same document to prove >my part of the research where all the families come together. Where you may >be working a straight narrow, I am working a large circle around you >researching families that you do not care to have in your research. The only >way to prove my family is to work your family to locate the clues. > >The whole genealogy community has given me a rude, raw, nasty taste in my >mouth. I am ready to take my clues to my grave. That is way to selfish and I >have to much time invested to just give up because your clue is copyrighted. >Screw the copyright, document it, and get the document yourself, WHO cares >WHO found it first ??? Are you that self centered that it makes that big a >deal to you that you found you dead ancestors birthdate and you are so >stupid to think that no one will ever find it too ? I find that these people >want to profit from their research and this is where i draw my line in the >sand. I spend thousands of dollars also, i research the clues that you toss >out, I prove those first to get them out of the way. > >I take pride in the fact i am working my family, I take pride in the fact >that i share my research for free, But i do not trust any other researchers >and i only believe it when i have a document in MY hand. Then i have the >proof that i need.. The difference is that i give my documents away for >free and you moan and complain that someone is working your family and not >giving you credit for your research. Again, WHO CARES ? If its that >important to you to be so secretive, then unsubscribe from the lists, never >tell anyone, never publish it in a book , never upload it to any website and >eventually WHO CARES. > >I know that my work is a collection of mistakes, mistakes that are keeping >the whole big picture from coming together. To me when i post it on MY >PERSONAL WEBSITE, then it is private to me. I do not invite you to come look >over my free documents that i spent my thousands of hours locating and then >i post them on my site in plain view for free.. I want these documents out >in the open so that eventually someone will also help locate a missing >relative of mine. > >What the internet has done is ruin the credability of genealogy. It has >ruined the profitability of genealogy. And the profiteers are those that >scream the loudest and also threaten to SUE other family members for chasing >a clue on the same grandfather. What a family system of sharing and working >together for a common goal.. > > >Also. Do not email a mailing list and ask a few questions hoping someone >will give you that big break so that you can run and copyright it and then >start sueing everyone because you are also calling this your research. You >would not get that clue without one of us replying to your email. Guess this >is why i am quiet on the list, i scavage the information i want, post it >into a larger database full of more information that you have in yours and >then i work the magic of trying to connect them all together. If they >connect correctly then they must fit. > > >You will never hear of me sueing someone because they used my information to >crack a big old nasty genealogy nightmare. I encourage it and i also >encourage others to post freely. Just remember if you post something, its >public knowledge forever. There are websites that record your information >many years down the line just because you put it on the internet. > > >==== WILLIAMS Mailing List ==== >List web page: http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/lists/WILLIAMS.htm >Your WILLIAMS listowner - Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > > >

> Bobbye what you might do is seeing about copy writing your work. I have done > trading with several researchers that state the copy write on all of their > work Better review the copyright laws. Publicly available information cannot be copyrighted. Names, dates, and places are not created by the genealogist. You can copyright your presentation, such as a web page or written family history, but not the data. So if you post your research anyone can use the vital stats any way they like. Unfortunate but true. Anita

Well folks I have one more question. I have a private web site on my Williams in My Family.com. Yet when I click on a name it will take me straight to Ancestry. Global.I put my info there so the members I had invited could go there and see the family research while I was still working on it. I thought private meant private and by invitation only.

I am still looking for parents/siblings of my grandfather: George Williams born abt. 1867 AL; married Etta Holman abt. 1900, Etta born 1878 TX; died 1912 OK. She is buried Cornish Cem., Jefferson Co., OK. Children: Bill, Henry, Clay, Nell, Blanche, and Beulah. Last found in 1910 Census, Alfalfa Twp., Tillman Co., OK. Have info on all children and their mother, but have not found any matches on George. This was his second marriage. No info on first marriage. Believe he may have died abt. 1910-1911. Mary

But I believe the originator (poster) of the information, right or wrong, > can delete the post -em My cousin eliminated hers. I am awaiting her info on how but I believe she removed all of her info from My Family. com and that removed it from Ancestry . Then she could go back and re enter her own family minus what she wanted removed. There are two problems working here with my family line 1. I am not related to either line that they have me connected to. 2. Some one else is taking credit for information on both sites that are in question. There is more than one submitter involved here with this. One claimed to get his off of a Co. web page that was posted by the Moderator. That moderator lost that site over a year ago. I am told because information posted on that site was in error. bobbye@microsped.com

On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:32:51 -0800 Lynda Cook <mousecook@earthlink.net> wrote: > Having read the previous comments on > unauthorized use, I have a general > question that someone might be able to assist > with. When I find family > connections on the web, I usually contact the > author and try to set up a > dialog with them. If I am not able to reach > them, I usually just use the > data as a guide and try to find sources to back > up the information. > Recently I discovered a family connection (not > Williams line) that was > beautifully documented and took the family back > to the 11th century. I have > tried to contact the author, but his email > address is no longer correct. > From the amount of information presented, I > assume this was an older > person. Any suggestions on how to find the > source or possible heirs to this > research? I did download, but kept the gedcom > file separate from my family > file, so that I don't lay claim to something I > didn't do. I have been able > to verify some of the data from independent > sources, but don't andt to > "steal" his work. > Lynda Hi, Lynda: Your approach is commendable and should be imitated by others. However, there is no such thing as "heirs to research". One cannot inherit facts because one cannot own them. One can only own creative expressions of facts, that is, only the exact way that one uses words to describe those facts. There is also no such thing as "unauthorized use" of publicly available documents. One cannot, by finding even a whole passel of documents, require others to get your permission before using them to draw conclusions. Can you imagine what would happen to genealogy if every time you found a document, you had to cite the researchers that helped you find it, or prove that there weren't any? We'd all be collecting stamps instead of WILLIAMS relatives. The only way you can steal someone's research is to claim that person's creative expression as your own. *That* is wrong, no matter what term you use to describe it. Finding data on the Internet and using it does not remove it from the control that is rightfully the author's. The only thing that might be lost to the author is a pride of ownership, which is usually not real. One can never take from the author the pride in a job well done, or the joy of discovery. And if an author has published a discovery before anyone else, then that satisfaction also can never be taken away. You should cite this author as the source of your information, for facts where this author is your only evidence. Where you have found and verified primary sources, it is *not* necessary to note that the author of whom you speak got there first. My OWN choice in such a situation would be a general acknowledgement of the debt I owe to this person, and I WOULD cite his research, identifying him as best I could, for each fact that he stated. I would do this even if I had verified the primary sources. That is my CHOICE. It is not *necessary* if I have seen the primary sources myself. That is true even if the only reason I know the sources exist is the work of this unknown author. Darrell darrellm@sprynet.com

Nope, they can't. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Cason" <ccason@compuserve.com> To: <WILLIAMS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: [WILLIAMS] " postems" > But I believe the originator (poster) of the information, right or wrong, > can delete the postem. > > Carl. > > >Hello Williams List, > > > >One way to try to correct any misinformation out there if people are > >unwilling/unable to delete/correct misinformation is that some of those > >trees have the capability to add "postems". This might be the place to > add > >in a disclaimer that the info is wrong and to contact you at your email > >address if there are any questions so you can correct the interested > party. > >The postems can not be deleted because they require a password that you > >enter when you add the info. At least it's a start if ancestry, rootsweb > and > >LDS are unwilling/unable to delete the multiple trees that are incorrect > >copies > > > >Mary in CA > > > ==== WILLIAMS Mailing List ==== > List web page: http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/lists/WILLIAMS.htm > Your WILLIAMS listowner - Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > > >

On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:25:01 EST AWNRDC@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/28/2002 7:38:50 AM > Central Standard Time, > darrellm@sprynet.com writes: > >> it is *not* ethical for anyone to quote primary >> sources as if that person had seen them, when >> that person > > Actually, if credit is given to the original > researcher, it is ethical to cite primary > sources in order that anyone using > a compiled history can CHECK > those sources. One merely states that not all > of the cited sources have been > personally verified YET. [snip] Hi: I agree with what you say in the above quoted paragraph. My problem is with the one who cites sources, "as if that person had seen them when that person has not". I will not hesitate to mention a source that is quoted by another person, but I try to make it very clear that is what I did. If I cite a source as if I have seen it myself, then I *have* seen it, *myself*. Darrell darrellm@sprynet.com