This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/lEC.2ACE/324.1.1.1.1.3 Message Board Post: I too have an Anna Funk from the Grant cnty Wisc. area. My Anna was b. June 25, 1865 and m. John Joseph Reuter. Anny thought?
Bill, if you'll format this into a .txt file and email it to me, I'll put it up on the website. Robin -----Original Message----- From: BSmithIowa@aol.com [mailto:BSmithIowa@aol.com] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 1:10 PM To: WIGRANT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WIGRANT] Township Listing for the 1870 Grant County Census Below is what I have. If the GCGS wants to list this on their website, that is fine with me. Township Listings for the 1870 Grant County, Wisconsin Federal Census Microfilm M593-1716 1870 Wisconsin Census Vol. 9 Grant Co. (part), pp. 1A-199B Beetown Township 1A-14B Beetown (village) 15A-22B Bloomington Township 23A-34B Bloomington (village) 35A-40B Blue River Township (PO: Muscoda) 41A-50B Note: Blue River Twp. no longer exists: current day Castle Rock Twp.? Boscobel (city) 51A-70B Boscobel Township 71A-72B Cassville Township (PO: Cassville) 73A-82B Cassville (village) 83A-90B Clifton Township (PO: Annaton) 91A-104B Ellenboro Township 105A-115B Fennimore Township 116A-139B Glen Haven Township 140A-153B Glen Haven (village) 154A-157B Harrison Township 158A-171B Hazel Green Township 172A-189B Hazel Green (village) 190A-199B Microfilm M593-1717 1870 Wisconsin Census Vol. 9 Grant Co. (part), pp. 200A-513A Hickory Grove Township 200A-211B Jamestown Township 212A-225B Lancaster Township 226A-260B Note: Above township later split into North Lancaster and South Lancaster townships. Liberty Township (PO: Liberty Ridge) 261A-272B Lima Township 273A-286B Little Grant Township 287A-298B Marion Township 299A-308B Millville Township 309A-312B Mt. Hope Township 313A-322B Muscoda Township 323A-334B Paris Township 335A-346B Patch Grove Township 347A-360B Platteville Township 361A-376B Platteville (village) 377A-410B Potosi Township 411A-444B Smelser Township 445A-462B Waterloo Township 463A-474B Watterstown Township 4745A-482B Wingville Township 483A-495B Woodman Township 496A-503B Wyalusing Township 504A-513B Note: The numbers after the townships refer to the microfilm page numbers (usually, but not always, the numbers used for census indexes). Bill Smith BSmithIowa@aol.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
Would someone be able to look up William and Mary Faull of Grant Co or surrounding county in the census, I am not picky of the year as long as it is after 1875. Her maiden name was Kinney and she was born in VT. She is listed on her obit as being born in 1817, which I think is wrong, and is why I would like to look at census for her. Being that she was married in 1875 in Grant Co and she lived til 1927, this age is doubtfull. Her middle initial is J and his is R. I would appreciate any help on this. Even if someone could find her in WI as her maiden name Mary J Kinney brother Vernon. Thanks, Sandy ps It also states in the obit her nephew, U W Beeman. He was born about the time Nuate/Nate Beeman and DAVID TAFT Do you thing the Nuate could have been Uriah W Beeman? I found him in census with Henry after Mary Faull Jewell Beeman's passing. Thanks again Sandy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Researching JEFFERS, NEWTON, BLANCHARD, RACEY, SCOTT, MANN, JEWELL, BEEMAN, FAULL, McCLOUD, CROW, HOLEMAN, TURNER, FULLER, KINNEY, LIAS, NORTON, OBERMIRE, PRITCHARD, FOWLER AND ATTEBERRY NY, IA, WI, OR, AZ, ENGLAND and IRELAND. and FERNANDEZ, SANCHEZ, LOPEZ, TRIGUERO, CASTRO From Spain>Hawaii>CA --- WIGRANT-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >Part: 1 >From : >To : >Date : >Subject : > ><pre>WIGRANT-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 49 > >Today's Topics: > #1 [WIGRANT] More Census Tips & Distr ["David W. Taft" <dtaft@cowtown.net] > #2 Re: [WIGRANT] More Census Tips & D [Mari <ddmmjm@netins.net>] > #3 Re: [WIGRANT] More Census Tips & D [KinDetective@aol.com] > #4 [WIGRANT] Re: unsubscribe [CMNation@aol.com] > #5 Re: unsubscribe [CMNation@aol.com] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from WIGRANT-D, send a message to > > WIGRANT-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >To contact the list administrator, send mail to >WIGRANT-admin@rootsweb.com. > >______________________________</pre>Part: 2 >From : "David W. Taft" <dtaft@cowtown.net> > >To : WIGRANT-L@rootsweb.com > >Date : Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:39:21 -0600 > >Subject : [WIGRANT] More Census Tips & District No. 24 > > ><pre>Di & List, > >I guess Census is the topic of the day. It is a good one and a primary >source for all researchers. > >A couple of additional comments based on my "lessons learned" from the >census. > >First, the census films available from the LDS are the same as those from >the National Archives. The LDS didn't film any of the federal census >records. All of their films are copies of the originals done by the >Archives (NARA). The LDS have filmed many off-year state census records. > >The census indexes on Ancestry.Com and/or from most books for 1790-1860 >are >90% from those done by Ron Jackson's company, Accelerated Indexing Systems >(AIS) of Ogden/Logan?? Utah. So far as I know, Ron's company closed or >something years ago. It was a private indexing service and Ancestry >purchased his database at some point. I can't locate the paper written >on >them, but it explains that these, like most "human" transcribed records, >contain many errors. > >They are very well done, but probably are missing about 5% or so of the >actual records. I have found that personally while looking for my GGG >Grandfather Benjamin E. Taft in the 1860 Ohio census index. He is there, >but he's not found in the index. > >Another problem is page numbers. I have found many irregularies, >particularly in the 1860 indexes. Many families are 3-4 pages off of what >the index says. Below is a web site I located with a bit of data on the >AIS >indexes: > ><A HREF="http://members.aol.com/dearmyrtle/ais.htm" target="_new">http://members.aol.com/dearmyrtle/ais.htm</A> > >A quote it has says: > >"Regarding the page numbers indicated in the AIS Indexes -- use them as >a >"loose" guide. The census microfilms I've reviewed have three different >page >numbers listed on each page. Its easy to get confused, and it seems the >AIS >indexers sometimes used one, and then another of those numbers. Sometimes, >the actual census entry was a page or two before or after the page indicated >in the index. So I'd say -- "Be flexible!" > > >I have personally experienced the "what page number is this" syndrome over >the years. There are numbers on the pages written by the enumerators, >others stamped on the pages, and yet other's handwritten on the pages when >they were bound. Our ancestors made this a challenge for us. It gives >one >a headache at times. > >In recent years Heritage Quest has published many indexes for the 1870 >census. They have accomplished a daunting task and their indexes are quite >good. > >Of course, the 1880 "all-name" census index/full transcription done by the >LDS is the best. For $49 (including shipping) you get some 56 CD's with >over 50 million names. These are searchable by name nationally and by >state. Most, if not all, LDS family history centers have these CD's. Or >you can order the set from <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org." target="_new">http://www.familysearch.org.</A> Click on >Order/Download Products. The order number is 50168000. > >Speaking of 1850 Grant Co., some years ago I was sent the following >"definition" of District #24 in Grant Co: Some of the townships in District >24 are the areas of Mt. Hope, Patch Grove, Bloomington, Little Grant, >Liberty, Lancaster, Hurricane, Beetown, North Andover, Waterloo, British >Hollow, Potosi, Tennyson, Glen Haven, Cassville. > >Please share any good census searching articles you locate and I will do >the >same. I have seen several over the years, but can't recall if they were >on-line, in genealogy books, or in genealogy periodicals. > >Dave Taft > >______________________________</pre>Part: 3 >From : Mari <ddmmjm@netins.net> > >To : WIGRANT-L@rootsweb.com > >Date : Thu, 07 Feb 2002 22:44:16 -0600 > >Subject : Re: [WIGRANT] More Census Tips & District No. 24 > > ><pre>Dave, thanks. I appreciate your expertise, and your spot on this list! >:)) > >Mari > > >At 10:39 PM 2/7/02 , David W. Taft wrote: >>Di & List, >> >>I guess Census is the topic of the day. It is a good one and a primary >>source for all researchers. >> >>A couple of additional comments based on my "lessons learned" from the >>census. >> >>First, the census films available from the LDS are the same as those from >>the National Archives. The LDS didn't film any of the federal census >>records. All of their films are copies of the originals done by the >>Archives (NARA). The LDS have filmed many off-year state census records. >> >>The census indexes on Ancestry.Com and/or from most books for 1790-1860 >are >>90% from those done by Ron Jackson's company, Accelerated Indexing Systems >>(AIS) of Ogden/Logan?? Utah. So far as I know, Ron's company closed or >>something years ago. It was a private indexing service and Ancestry >>purchased his database at some point. I can't locate the paper written >on >>them, but it explains that these, like most "human" transcribed records, >>contain many errors. >> >>They are very well done, but probably are missing about 5% or so of the >>actual records. I have found that personally while looking for my GGG >>Grandfather Benjamin E. Taft in the 1860 Ohio census index. He is there, >>but he's not found in the index. >> >>Another problem is page numbers. I have found many irregularies, >>particularly in the 1860 indexes. Many families are 3-4 pages off of what >>the index says. Below is a web site I located with a bit of data on the >AIS >>indexes: >> >><A HREF="http://members.aol.com/dearmyrtle/ais.htm" target="_new">http://members.aol.com/dearmyrtle/ais.htm</A> >> >>A quote it has says: >> >>"Regarding the page numbers indicated in the AIS Indexes -- use them as >a >>"loose" guide. The census microfilms I've reviewed have three different >page >>numbers listed on each page. Its easy to get confused, and it seems the >AIS >>indexers sometimes used one, and then another of those numbers. Sometimes, >>the actual census entry was a page or two before or after the page indicated >>in the index. So I'd say -- "Be flexible!" >> >> >>I have personally experienced the "what page number is this" syndrome over >>the years. There are numbers on the pages written by the enumerators, >>others stamped on the pages, and yet other's handwritten on the pages when >>they were bound. Our ancestors made this a challenge for us. It gives >one >>a headache at times. >> >>In recent years Heritage Quest has published many indexes for the 1870 >>census. They have accomplished a daunting task and their indexes are quite >>good. >> >>Of course, the 1880 "all-name" census index/full transcription done by >the >>LDS is the best. For $49 (including shipping) you get some 56 CD's with >>over 50 million names. These are searchable by name nationally and by >>state. Most, if not all, LDS family history centers have these CD's. >Or >>you can order the set from <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org." target="_new">http://www.familysearch.org.</A> Click on >>Order/Download Products. The order number is 50168000. >> >>Speaking of 1850 Grant Co., some years ago I was sent the following >>"definition" of District #24 in Grant Co: Some of the townships in District >>24 are the areas of Mt. Hope, Patch Grove, Bloomington, Little Grant, >>Liberty, Lancaster, Hurricane, Beetown, North Andover, Waterloo, British >>Hollow, Potosi, Tennyson, Glen Haven, Cassville. >> >>Please share any good census searching articles you locate and I will do >the >>same. I have seen several over the years, but can't recall if they were >>on-line, in genealogy books, or in genealogy periodicals. >> >>Dave Taft >> >> >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >>go to: >><A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237" target="_new">http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237</A> > >______________________________</pre>Part: 4 >From : KinDetective@aol.com > >To : WIGRANT-L@rootsweb.com > >Date : Fri, 8 Feb 2002 00:17:56 EST > >Subject : Re: [WIGRANT] More Census Tips & District No. 24 -very helpful! > > ><pre>Dave, your post was chock full of wisdom and tips, as usual. Thank you. >As per your suggestion, I did scope out Cyndi's lists and found a great >essay >site which gives a very detailed explanation of the "History of Enumeration > >Procedures, 1790-1940", that I'm enjoying reading, though, at this late >hour, >will have to continue tomorrow. I doubt that there is a definitive >answer to >my original question, other than possibly how you listed the >townships of >district #24. Perhaps, in lieu of, or until an educational >response from >NARA microfilm experts (or LDS), that's the way to proceed >for all early >bundled locations, throughout the country. I certainly have >learned to take >notes for future. > >Thanks loads to all who have contributed and continue to hunt for helpful > >tips, and especially to Dave for all the time he generously invests in his > >fellow researchers! >Di > > Here's that essay, >History of Enumeration Procedures, 1790-1940 > <A HREF="http://www.ipums.umn.edu/~pipums/voliii/enumproc1.html" target="_new">http://www.ipums.umn.edu/~pipums/voliii/enumproc1.html</A> > >Partial Quote; from the site Introduction: > >"Diana L. Magnuson > > This essay presents a short history of enumeration practices from 1790 > >to 1940. It aims to describe those aspects related to organization, >personnel, >and oversight that might have affected the outcome of the census >as reflected >in the manuscript returns. > The essay does not cover the processing of the returns, only the >elements >that affected the manuscripts from which the modern census samples >were >created. The essay is divided into four parts: personnel recruitment and > >quality, training and oversight, public preparedness for the census, and > >mechanisms for correcting the final returns. > Most of the material >contained here is derived from Diana L. Magnuson, >Magnuson, "The Making >of a Modern Census: The United States Census of >Population, 1790-1940," >Ph.D. dissertation, University of Minnesota, 1995. >The various sources >for this essay are cited there. " > >______________________________</pre>Part: 5 >From : CMNation@aol.com > >To : WIGRANT-L@rootsweb.com > >Date : Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:13:34 EST > >Subject : [WIGRANT] Re: unsubscribe > > ><pre>unsubscribe > >______________________________</pre>Part: 6 >From : CMNation@aol.com > >To : WIGRANT-D@rootsweb.com > >Date : Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:13:32 EST > >Subject : Re: unsubscribe > > ><pre>unsubscribe ></pre> _____________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE email from The PI Directory at http://www.pi-directory.com
Below is what I have. If the GCGS wants to list this on their website, that is fine with me. Township Listings for the 1870 Grant County, Wisconsin Federal Census Microfilm M593-1716 1870 Wisconsin Census Vol. 9 Grant Co. (part), pp. 1A-199B Beetown Township 1A-14B Beetown (village) 15A-22B Bloomington Township 23A-34B Bloomington (village) 35A-40B Blue River Township (PO: Muscoda) 41A-50B Note: Blue River Twp. no longer exists: current day Castle Rock Twp.? Boscobel (city) 51A-70B Boscobel Township 71A-72B Cassville Township (PO: Cassville) 73A-82B Cassville (village) 83A-90B Clifton Township (PO: Annaton) 91A-104B Ellenboro Township 105A-115B Fennimore Township 116A-139B Glen Haven Township 140A-153B Glen Haven (village) 154A-157B Harrison Township 158A-171B Hazel Green Township 172A-189B Hazel Green (village) 190A-199B Microfilm M593-1717 1870 Wisconsin Census Vol. 9 Grant Co. (part), pp. 200A-513A Hickory Grove Township 200A-211B Jamestown Township 212A-225B Lancaster Township 226A-260B Note: Above township later split into North Lancaster and South Lancaster townships. Liberty Township (PO: Liberty Ridge) 261A-272B Lima Township 273A-286B Little Grant Township 287A-298B Marion Township 299A-308B Millville Township 309A-312B Mt. Hope Township 313A-322B Muscoda Township 323A-334B Paris Township 335A-346B Patch Grove Township 347A-360B Platteville Township 361A-376B Platteville (village) 377A-410B Potosi Township 411A-444B Smelser Township 445A-462B Waterloo Township 463A-474B Watterstown Township 4745A-482B Wingville Township 483A-495B Woodman Township 496A-503B Wyalusing Township 504A-513B Note: The numbers after the townships refer to the microfilm page numbers (usually, but not always, the numbers used for census indexes). Bill Smith BSmithIowa@aol.com
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Dave, your post was chock full of wisdom and tips, as usual. Thank you. As per your suggestion, I did scope out Cyndi's lists and found a great essay site which gives a very detailed explanation of the "History of Enumeration Procedures, 1790-1940", that I'm enjoying reading, though, at this late hour, will have to continue tomorrow. I doubt that there is a definitive answer to my original question, other than possibly how you listed the townships of district #24. Perhaps, in lieu of, or until an educational response from NARA microfilm experts (or LDS), that's the way to proceed for all early bundled locations, throughout the country. I certainly have learned to take notes for future. Thanks loads to all who have contributed and continue to hunt for helpful tips, and especially to Dave for all the time he generously invests in his fellow researchers! Di Here's that essay, History of Enumeration Procedures, 1790-1940 http://www.ipums.umn.edu/~pipums/voliii/enumproc1.html Partial Quote; from the site Introduction: "Diana L. Magnuson This essay presents a short history of enumeration practices from 1790 to 1940. It aims to describe those aspects related to organization, personnel, and oversight that might have affected the outcome of the census as reflected in the manuscript returns. The essay does not cover the processing of the returns, only the elements that affected the manuscripts from which the modern census samples were created. The essay is divided into four parts: personnel recruitment and quality, training and oversight, public preparedness for the census, and mechanisms for correcting the final returns. Most of the material contained here is derived from Diana L. Magnuson, Magnuson, "The Making of a Modern Census: The United States Census of Population, 1790-1940," Ph.D. dissertation, University of Minnesota, 1995. The various sources for this essay are cited there. "
Wow Bill, Thank you! That is helpful. Would you be willing to have your lists included on the Grant County Rootsweb site, if Robin will post them for us? I am not currently (today <G>) doing this, but have found that if I knew the order (not just the ED#) that they appear in sequence, then sometimes a family member or cousin who hopped the fence to a neighboring township would more easily be found! Thanks Di == In a message dated 02/2/7 8:20:07 PM, BSmithIowa@aol.com writes: << In the 1850 Grant Co. Federal Census, it appears that no townships were listed, just two districts, No. 24 & No. 25. I have lists of the townships in the order they appear for 1870, 1900, 1920 Grant Co. censuses if these are wanted. >>
In a message dated 02/2/7 7:56:22 PM, VistaRon96@aol.com writes: << And where do you find this index? >> Chapter 2; Page 46 of Szucs' "The Source:" As early as 1996, statewide census indexes existed for all federal censuses taken throughout 1860 and for all but thirteen states for the 1870 census. ....... Book indexes for later censuses (1880, 1910) for many western states are available.>< Some are available in CD format at your local FHC, and if not there, can be ordered on film (fiche?). The member service sites also have some, if not all of them available (i.e., Ancestry.com), and many can be purchased in CD format from FamilySearch.com. There's just one example of how the index may not help, and why scrolling through townships sometimes is necessary, in this article: HTTP://www.ancestry.com/library/view/news/tip/1618.asp
In the 1850 Grant Co. Federal Census, it appears that no townships were listed, just two districts, No. 24 & No. 25. I have lists of the townships in the order they appear for 1870, 1900, 1920 Grant Co. censuses if these are wanted. Bill Smith
And where do you find this index? Ron
Dave, thanks. I appreciate your expertise, and your spot on this list! :)) Mari At 10:39 PM 2/7/02 , David W. Taft wrote: >Di & List, > >I guess Census is the topic of the day. It is a good one and a primary >source for all researchers. > >A couple of additional comments based on my "lessons learned" from the >census. > >First, the census films available from the LDS are the same as those from >the National Archives. The LDS didn't film any of the federal census >records. All of their films are copies of the originals done by the >Archives (NARA). The LDS have filmed many off-year state census records. > >The census indexes on Ancestry.Com and/or from most books for 1790-1860 are >90% from those done by Ron Jackson's company, Accelerated Indexing Systems >(AIS) of Ogden/Logan?? Utah. So far as I know, Ron's company closed or >something years ago. It was a private indexing service and Ancestry >purchased his database at some point. I can't locate the paper written on >them, but it explains that these, like most "human" transcribed records, >contain many errors. > >They are very well done, but probably are missing about 5% or so of the >actual records. I have found that personally while looking for my GGG >Grandfather Benjamin E. Taft in the 1860 Ohio census index. He is there, >but he's not found in the index. > >Another problem is page numbers. I have found many irregularies, >particularly in the 1860 indexes. Many families are 3-4 pages off of what >the index says. Below is a web site I located with a bit of data on the AIS >indexes: > >http://members.aol.com/dearmyrtle/ais.htm > >A quote it has says: > >"Regarding the page numbers indicated in the AIS Indexes -- use them as a >"loose" guide. The census microfilms I've reviewed have three different page >numbers listed on each page. Its easy to get confused, and it seems the AIS >indexers sometimes used one, and then another of those numbers. Sometimes, >the actual census entry was a page or two before or after the page indicated >in the index. So I'd say -- "Be flexible!" > > >I have personally experienced the "what page number is this" syndrome over >the years. There are numbers on the pages written by the enumerators, >others stamped on the pages, and yet other's handwritten on the pages when >they were bound. Our ancestors made this a challenge for us. It gives one >a headache at times. > >In recent years Heritage Quest has published many indexes for the 1870 >census. They have accomplished a daunting task and their indexes are quite >good. > >Of course, the 1880 "all-name" census index/full transcription done by the >LDS is the best. For $49 (including shipping) you get some 56 CD's with >over 50 million names. These are searchable by name nationally and by >state. Most, if not all, LDS family history centers have these CD's. Or >you can order the set from http://www.familysearch.org. Click on >Order/Download Products. The order number is 50168000. > >Speaking of 1850 Grant Co., some years ago I was sent the following >"definition" of District #24 in Grant Co: Some of the townships in District >24 are the areas of Mt. Hope, Patch Grove, Bloomington, Little Grant, >Liberty, Lancaster, Hurricane, Beetown, North Andover, Waterloo, British >Hollow, Potosi, Tennyson, Glen Haven, Cassville. > >Please share any good census searching articles you locate and I will do the >same. I have seen several over the years, but can't recall if they were >on-line, in genealogy books, or in genealogy periodicals. > >Dave Taft > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
In a message dated 02/2/7 7:34:00 PM, dtaft@cowtown.net writes: << http://www.cyndislist.com/census.htm#General >> Thank you Dave! I'll be popping in to visit Cyndi, momentarily! If I can compile an order to these "unknowns", I'll send an email to Robin, in hopes she'll add it to the site for future quick-reference. Smile
Di & List, I guess Census is the topic of the day. It is a good one and a primary source for all researchers. A couple of additional comments based on my "lessons learned" from the census. First, the census films available from the LDS are the same as those from the National Archives. The LDS didn't film any of the federal census records. All of their films are copies of the originals done by the Archives (NARA). The LDS have filmed many off-year state census records. The census indexes on Ancestry.Com and/or from most books for 1790-1860 are 90% from those done by Ron Jackson's company, Accelerated Indexing Systems (AIS) of Ogden/Logan?? Utah. So far as I know, Ron's company closed or something years ago. It was a private indexing service and Ancestry purchased his database at some point. I can't locate the paper written on them, but it explains that these, like most "human" transcribed records, contain many errors. They are very well done, but probably are missing about 5% or so of the actual records. I have found that personally while looking for my GGG Grandfather Benjamin E. Taft in the 1860 Ohio census index. He is there, but he's not found in the index. Another problem is page numbers. I have found many irregularies, particularly in the 1860 indexes. Many families are 3-4 pages off of what the index says. Below is a web site I located with a bit of data on the AIS indexes: http://members.aol.com/dearmyrtle/ais.htm A quote it has says: "Regarding the page numbers indicated in the AIS Indexes -- use them as a "loose" guide. The census microfilms I've reviewed have three different page numbers listed on each page. Its easy to get confused, and it seems the AIS indexers sometimes used one, and then another of those numbers. Sometimes, the actual census entry was a page or two before or after the page indicated in the index. So I'd say -- "Be flexible!" I have personally experienced the "what page number is this" syndrome over the years. There are numbers on the pages written by the enumerators, others stamped on the pages, and yet other's handwritten on the pages when they were bound. Our ancestors made this a challenge for us. It gives one a headache at times. In recent years Heritage Quest has published many indexes for the 1870 census. They have accomplished a daunting task and their indexes are quite good. Of course, the 1880 "all-name" census index/full transcription done by the LDS is the best. For $49 (including shipping) you get some 56 CD's with over 50 million names. These are searchable by name nationally and by state. Most, if not all, LDS family history centers have these CD's. Or you can order the set from http://www.familysearch.org. Click on Order/Download Products. The order number is 50168000. Speaking of 1850 Grant Co., some years ago I was sent the following "definition" of District #24 in Grant Co: Some of the townships in District 24 are the areas of Mt. Hope, Patch Grove, Bloomington, Little Grant, Liberty, Lancaster, Hurricane, Beetown, North Andover, Waterloo, British Hollow, Potosi, Tennyson, Glen Haven, Cassville. Please share any good census searching articles you locate and I will do the same. I have seen several over the years, but can't recall if they were on-line, in genealogy books, or in genealogy periodicals. Dave Taft
In a message dated 02/2/7 7:21:30 PM, Renogen@peoplepc.com writes: << they would be on the index for the State. >> Phyl, Thanks... If the index lists the sequence of townships it would be very helpful. I've found some mistakes in indexes (both online and at FHC), where I have searched and searched but not found someone in the indicated location. In the case of searching online, the person and location is identified, but the records are bundled together in a group of "unknown townships" ranging from a handful of images to over 400, so that makes for a very long search, if the image number isn't known, and in most cases even those are off by a few digits. I've used various methods to cut the time down--skipping ahead to estimated image number to find next township, etc. Still a long process. The microfilm scrolling at the FHC is long too, though much faster (in my experience). Then, there's another application for wanting to know the sequence of township order: I have some ancestors who moved around to neighbors or in-laws, etc. and may not yet know in whose home they resided at that time, but know that they are there, just not indexed or the head of household. I'm searching through the LDS research guide now. Let me know if that index indicates township sequence, and I'll be so very grateful! Smile Di
I've seen the enumerator's instructions (usually a spiral bound or stapled compilation which is donated to libraries), at my main branch library. I don't recall for which location that particular one was, but it was interesting. There may be similar online somewhere (I think I recall an Ancestry digest or RW review which pointed to some URLs). They describe how the individual enumerator covered their assigned area and which/how questions were asked and recorded. I would like to see the same (like the map you mention) for how the NARA compilers bundled the townships, or organized entire counties, and similar for how they were filmed by the LDS. I'm heading off to search that online at all the major info sites now, in hopes I'll find a definitive explanation. (crossing fingers) If I don't find one, I may email the sites and ask that same Q. I would like to check the Census-L list archives, but can't think of a good keyword to use for the query, which would be effective. Could be, I'll have to subscribe & pose the Q there. The words, "various, unknown, other" are my present nightmare! Di == In a message dated 02/2/7 6:42:24 PM, ddmmjm@netins.net writes: << ...<snip> census taker, a female school teacher who took two weeks to cover her area....there was a city map of the era, and it was marked with the route she took. Am wondering if there wouldn't be old city/town/area maps that could be had that would provide the information that would show the direction of the census takers' route. <snip>...>>
Di, There are quite a few resources on Cyndi's List census page: http://www.cyndislist.com/census.htm#General I've viewed a few and some are quite interesting in the General and How To categories. Dave
In a message dated 02/2/7 6:05:47 PM, KinDetective@aol.com writes: << Does anyone have an idea of how, in what order, the townships, etc. were enumerated on the 1850 census? >> And of course, I mean, in what order they appear on the LDS film, as well! Smile D
Hi all, Does anyone have an idea of how, in what order, the townships, etc. were enumerated on the 1850 census? Did they go by quadrant? Am I missing a web page that explains this? FamilySearch perhaps? Anyone have an index that describes or hints to the answer? Help please! I've spent a good amount of time scrolling through and would very much like to expedite the search. I think this info (for each "bundled twp" census) would help others if it was included it on the Grant Co. USGenWeb site. I've been taking notes on some townships on certain census for other areas, where they, like this one, do not have ED#s or are not indexed by twp--are all listed as "various" or "unknown" townships. I'm listing each township in order of appearance and how many pages, etc. Thanks for any assistance! Di
Dave? I had read an article in Family Tree Magazine http://www.familytreemagazine.com/ (not to be confused with Family Tree Maker) and it talked about a census taker, a female school teacher who took two weeks to cover her area....there was a city map of the era, and it was marked with the route she took. Am wondering if there wouldn't be old city/town/area maps that could be had that would provide the information that would show the direction of the census takers' route. Unfortunately, the article isn't one that they feature on the website, but it was interesting reading. Mari List Admin At 08:26 PM 2/7/02 , David W. Taft wrote: >Di, > >Interesting question that I have wondered myself. I've never seen an >explanation. > >Generally those enumerated next to each other are neighbors. But, you >wonder in which direction the enumerator traveled. Did he go in a circle. >I have often thought of the starting point myself. > >Think about a modern block. If he started at my house and went down the >block in one direction, one of my next door neighbors would be listed far >from me depending on the direction. Next door neighbors in bordering >townships (right on the line) would seem miles away by the census. Does >that make sense?? > >Hopefully someone has an explanation, but it probably varies by >county/township. > >David > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237