This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Schaben/Scheben Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/lEC.2ACE/144.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Lynn,,, thanks for the offer. I have virtually nothing on the Iowa branch but I do know there are a lot of 'em... I have his spelling as Godfried and Gottfried. I am leaning toward the latter but would appreciate any input. Also, do you have any information on their migration from Germany?? ie, ship, point of embarkation, debarkation and route from there to Wisconsin?? I will be happy to share any information I have..

At 18:44 2/18/2002 -0800, you wrote: >I just recently bought the Family Tree Maker program >(ver 9) and I can't figure out how to block out the >birth dates of living persons in my tree when I want >to send my info to someone. Perhaps someone else on >the list has the answer? Thanks. I have version 7, and don't know whether it's done the same in version 9. But try this: 1. Click on FILE 2. From drop-down menu, select PREFERENCES 3. From the next drop-down menu, select PRIVATIZE 4. Click on the box next to "Privatize information" 5. Click on OK. Good luck! =============== Always use real butter. =============== Mary Thiele Fobian Writer/Editor Pacific Grove, CA

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/lEC.2ACE/144.1.1 Message Board Post: I have information on decendants of Godfried on the Iowa side. Id love to exchange notes. Lynne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cooper/Williamson/Neefe Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/lEC.2ACE/368 Message Board Post: My great-grandmother Addie G. Cooper married Franklin Julius Neefe on May 9, 1883 in the U. B. in Christ Church by A. J. Hood in Muscoda. I am looking for her birth record, perhaps in Grant County, but not sure. Her parent's names are listed as Thomas Cooper and Christina Cooper. Information I have lists Christina Cooper's maiden name as Williamson. Are there any Coopers or Williamsons buried in or near the Muscoda area? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/lEC.2ACE/350.4 Message Board Post: sorry, that's it!

The original question regarding which term to use was posted to attain an English (American) version of a foreign language term which translates somewhat to "ancestor loss." Pedigree Collapse was the term used by the larger organizations of genealogist, and in those old anthropology articles quoting demographer K. Wachter, and Alex Shoumatoff ("The Mountain of Names") who also quotes science author Guy Murchie, apparently by anthropologists and geneticists. I did see reference to "of the half blood" used by the New England Historical and Genealogical Society, to represent the lesser loss of ancestors by the common populations as opposed to Royal lineage which have a high percentage of "collapse." To me: -Six of one, half dozen of another.- Of the ones Jeff mentions, confluence seems the more logical, evoking a pleasant mental image with the river analogy. I think the collapse term was to emphasize the great loss of numerical ancestors, and point out that our family tree model can't be an inverted p yramid. They provide the graphic diagram of a diamond shaped genealogy, where ego is the bottom and their proverbial Adam and Eve are the top. The collapse happens and progresses in similar exponential fashion to the buildup. Some of our diamonds have differing dimensions, but obviously we all have them or the scientists should have to tell us that the population of the earth was much larger (some 281 trillion) in past than it is now. Royal diamonds must have a much sharper (acute) top than common populations! OUCH :-) Di <--- thinking about rivers of diamonds... LOL j/k == In a message dated 02/2/14 9:50:31 PM, ScismGenie@aol.com writes: << NOT pedigree collapse, but I have seen it called "confluence", "A close knit family", and "circular Genealogy". Jeff >>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: RE: Mt. Ida, WI Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/lEC.2ACE/350.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi, Mt. Ida is between Fennimore, WI and Mt. Hope, WI. Its a tiny little twnship. My grandparents had a farm there off Ideal Road. There's use to be a little Tavern Inn named Wehrley's (sp.?)that had fish fry's on friday nights that were great. It was the owner's house, people would wait for hours to seat. Not very big at all. Terry

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/lEC.2ACE/367 Message Board Post: I am searching for information concerning William Randall Worden, his brother Warren D. Worden, and their parents, Gilbert David Worden and Clarissa (unknown maiden name). They also had a sister, Cordelia Clarissa. Both brothers were in the Civil War, 25th Regiment, Company C, Infantry. William died in the war in Rome, GA, 17 Sep 1864. I do not know if Warren survived the war, but do know he transferred to 12th Regiment, Company B, Infantry. Cordelia Clarissa married a Joseph Randall in 1852 in WI and then married his brother, Rueben Wait Randall, in 1864. I will gladly exchange any information I have for what you have. Thank-you!

NOT pedigree collapse, but I have seen it called "confluence", "A close knit family", and "circular Genealogy". Jeff

In a message dated 02/2/14 3:53:44 PM, ddmmjm@netins.net writes: << It's not just the British! >> Well, I misquoted that portion terribly by 2 centuries or so, but yeah, if that was the statistics for England, then would an individual have a better chance of being related to a higher percentage of lesser populated areas... Choose any from a hat. Sweden, German Duchies or Kingdoms, Scots, French, etc...... Here's the part I misquoted as the 20c Englishman being related to 80 percent of 15c English population. (make that early 13c England) From: http://www.generations.on.ca/genealogy/pedigree.htm >>"Mr. K. W. Wachtel, a demographer cited by Shoumatoff, built a probability model for a child born in England in 1947. Around the time of King John who reigned from 1199 AD to 1216 AD, this 1947 child would have about two million grandparents in the same generation. This represents about 37% of the progenitors required 30 generations back. This is the first type of pedigree ‘collapse’ that occurs. The child would be descendant from 80% of all the people in England at that time. "<< Well, of course it wasn't just the British.... (snicker) How else would we have migrated so far and wide? With all those related populations, not every younger son or daughter could have waged war on or murdered family to inherit the family lands. Sooner or later, they had to go looking for a new place to call their own. :-)~

LOL It's not just the British! <g> Mari At 04:28 PM 2/14/02 , KinDetective@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 02/2/14 2:01:18 PM, ddmmjm@netins.net writes: > ><< Yikes! >> > > > >Heehee Mari! >I guess when I discovered some fourth cousins who descended from a couple of >cousin marriages, my first (honestly) thought was "thank creation it wasn't >my line!"... (followed by a sigh of relief) >But hey, it's bound to come up in my (or anyone's) line eventually. >Now, if I could get a pedigree, collapsed or not, that went back to the time >of Charlemagne? >LOL >And what about that mid 20th century English person related to %80 of the >15th century English population? >Ummm, does that mean I can halt my British Isles search and just quote that >article? >:-) > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

In a message dated 02/2/14 2:01:18 PM, ddmmjm@netins.net writes: << Yikes! >> Heehee Mari! I guess when I discovered some fourth cousins who descended from a couple of cousin marriages, my first (honestly) thought was "thank creation it wasn't my line!"... (followed by a sigh of relief) But hey, it's bound to come up in my (or anyone's) line eventually. Now, if I could get a pedigree, collapsed or not, that went back to the time of Charlemagne? LOL And what about that mid 20th century English person related to %80 of the 15th century English population? Ummm, does that mean I can halt my British Isles search and just quote that article? :-)

I just wanted to say hello to all of you, because you're all my cousins! <WG> Someone on another list had a question regarding the proper term used for the loss of numerical ancestors which occurs to the descendant when related persons are married. The responses were interesting, ranging from a joke about calling it incest to those who seemingly were in denial that they could possibly have had ancestors who were the product of interrelated marriages. The math is pretty cut and dry, however, and these links lead to interesting articles on the topic of the Genealogically coined term: "Pedigree Collapse" Enjoy! http://www.anatomy.usyd.edu.au/danny/usenet/sci.anthropology/archive/january-1 995/0213.html http://www.generations.on.ca/genealogy/pedigree.htm CAUTION: The first link which leads to a mail list / message board for anthropology can be very distracting! I got lost clicking link after link, reading a couple of different topic threads. Could be very divisive to genealogy research, as you may find yo urself reading through the day, and not tending to those ancestor hunts! Smiling to all her kin - the WI Grant List... Di

Seems to be my experience too, Bill. I guess each ED has it's own pattern (recorded. After scrolling through township after township, village after village, census year after census year, etc. I'm a little miffed at our past statisticians and demographers for their lack of organizational continuity. Why did they not know we'd need them neat and pretty, so we could investigate the past more easily? .hmphhhh!.... <W> Di == In a message dated 02/2/9 9:52:31 PM, BSmithIowa@aol.com writes: << I found both alphabetical ordering and physical ordering of the townships in other counties, depending on the census year. >>

Interesting! Pedigree Collapse? Hmmmmmmm.....well, we've always said "no wonder the family has problems"<g> Many of my aunts and uncles married half third cousins. My GGgrandmother married several times, but two of her marriages had offspring that intermarried down the line. In fact, my mom, and a close friend of hers in high school found they were related when they were doing a family tree as an assignment in high school! Some of my cousins are related to this same lady (my GGgrandmother) on BOTH sides of their family. Yikes! Mari At 03:37 PM 2/14/02 , KinDetective@aol.com wrote: >I just wanted to say hello to all of you, because you're all my cousins! ><WG> >Someone on another list had a question regarding the proper term used for the >loss of numerical ancestors which occurs to the descendant when related >persons are married. The responses were interesting, ranging from a joke >about calling it incest to those who seemingly were in denial that they could >possibly have had ancestors who were the product of interrelated marriages. >The math is pretty cut and dry, however, and these links lead to interesting >articles on the topic of the Genealogically coined term: "Pedigree Collapse" >Enjoy! > > >http://www.anatomy.usyd.edu.au/danny/usenet/sci.anthropology/archive/january-1 > >995/0213.html > > http://www.generations.on.ca/genealogy/pedigree.htm > >CAUTION: The first link which leads to a mail list / message board for >anthropology can be very distracting! >I got lost clicking link after link, reading a couple of different topic >threads. Could be very divisive to genealogy research, as you may find yo >urself reading through the day, and not tending to those ancestor hunts! > >Smiling to all her kin - the WI Grant List... >Di > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Mickey, Huldah is my GGG Aunt. I descend from her sister, Eva Irene (McLimans) Walker. This family is posted on my web page, although some of the data needs updating. http://members.cowtown.net/dtaft/Mclimans3.html Huldah is person #70 in the listing. There are also photo's of Huldah's parents, John and Sophronia Ann (McGhan) McLimans at the following: http://members.cowtown.net/dtaft/Mclimans.html http://members.cowtown.net/dtaft/Civilwarreunion.html http://members.cowtown.net/dtaft/Memories.html Hopefully we can exchange some notes. Dave Taft Arlington, TX _______________________________________ Sent via the Cowtown Net WebMail system

Niki and David, My great grandmother was Huldah Sophronia McLimans.. Are any of you related to this side? Mickey

Niki, I'm sure we have exchanged notes in the past, but I have McLimans ancestors. My Grant Co. McLimans line is posted at: http://members.cowtown.net/dtaft/Mclimans3.html Dave Taft

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cramer,Davies, Coalburn, Parish, Chadwick, Pratt, Zimpel, Glass, Hammerly, Pickett Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/lEC.2ACE/366 Message Board Post: Joel and Hannah and three children moved from PA in mid l850's to Wingville Township, Grant County. He was a wagon maker. Hannah dies after l860 and Joel marries Elizabeth Allison. They have three more children, one of which is my Gr. Gr. Grandfather, Henry. Would like to hear from anyone working on desendants of this couple. Surnames I know of would be Davies, Coalburn,Parish,Chadwick, Pratt, Zimpel, Glass, Hammerly, Pickett. Thank you, Mary J.