I read with interest your message about the Commenorative Bio Record, County of Grant WI. I am stuck on the death record of a Hugh Calhoun who died there in 1857, September 27th. Perhaps his daughter was burried there she died in 1847 Jennett Calhoun Cunningham. I would be greatly appreciative if you could have a look in the book I have just joined the Grant Co. I would be glad to share any information on Hugh Cunningham, he is my grgrgrandfather. Thanks again. I am happy to pay any costs of this inquiry. Gale Manion ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Taft" <dtaft@cowtown.net> To: <WIGRANT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 8:37 PM Subject: RE: [WIGRANT] Help! - Commemorative Bio Record...Counties...Grant...WI > Di, > > I have a reprint of the 1901 book. What bio. are you interested in? > > As for sources of the information, this book, like most, were "subscription" > type publications. The information was generally written and/or provided by > the individuals. Being included cost the individual. I don't know how > much, but in modern dollars, I would suspect at least $100. Most of the > data is accurate, but often the family members took some historical > liberties. Granted, there are probably some typo's as well. > > I have a relative in the 1901 book who claimed to be related to Benedict > Arnold. Oops! No he wasn't, but it was a nice try. Guess he never thought > someone would check it out. > > Let me know who you are looking for and I can get you a transcript of the > biography. > > Dave Taft > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Robert F. Doren marr. Mary V. DeVoe 20 Nov. 1873 in Grant Co. Looking for relatives. Thank you, Duane -- Donna & Duane DeVoe Come Visit Lena, Illinois! http://www.villageoflena.com

At 16:50 4/7/2002 -0500, you wrote: > Robert F. Doren marr. Mary V. DeVoe 20 Nov. 1873 in Grant Co. Looking for relatives. Thank you, Duane Links to/from the following entries are available at familysearch.com: Husband's Name Robert F. DOREN (AFN:TVWD-C0) Pedigree Born: Abt. 1849 Place: <, Prob.grant, Wisconsin> Married: 20 Nov 1873 Place: Montfort, Grant, Wisconsin Father: Mother: Wife's Name Mary Virginia DEVOE (AFN:TVWD-D5) Pedigree Born: 15 Mar 1853 Place: , Prob.grant, Wisconsin Died: 20 Feb 1898 Place: Married: 20 Nov 1873 Place: Montfort, Grant, Wisconsin Father: Robert Jackson DEVOE (AFN:TVWC-ZX) Family Mother: Lydia Elliot KENDRICK (AFN:TVWL-89) Other Dorans/Dorens married in that time frame in Grant County: DORAN, W. P. married RICHARDS, JANE ANN on 9 Feb 1876 Grant WI DORAN, JOSEPH EDWIN married BUNKER, SARAH A. on 27 Dec 1868 Grant WI TURKINGTON, JAMES married DOREN, SARA on 1 Jan 1879 Monroe WI Other DeVoes married in that time frame in Grant County: JENKINS, BENJAMIN MARTIN married DEVOE, JOSIE FRANCES 10 Jul 1887 Grant WI DEVOE, DAVID J. married BOVEE, IDA A. 22 Dec 1875 Grant WI DEVOE, FULLER married STEVENS, LENA 13 Apr 1875 Grant WI DEVOE, WILLIAM married HARISON GROSSENBACHER, LYDIA 18 Mar 1874 Grant WI DEVOE, AMOS married GASTON, ELIZABETH E. 17 Mar 1859 Grant WI KNOWLTON, BENJAMIN F. married DEVOE, LAVONIA 15 Mar 1866 Grant WI DEVOE, EDWIN F. married ROBINSON, SALINA A. 27 Mar 1868 Grant WI DEVOE, GEORGE J. married FOX, ALICE E. A. 25 Dec 1864 Grant WI JOHNSON, WILLIAM H. married DEVOE, ANN TAYLOR 3 Jan 1866 Grant WI From ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/wi/grant/vitals/births/to1891/birthce.txt Doran, Amy Elliotte born 1878-Jul-09 in Clifton Father Robert Franklin Doran Mother Mary Virginia Devol Grant County Births, Vol. 1 Page 0459 Several Doran deaths recorded in Wisconsin Vital Records Death Index for Iowa, Lafayette & Rock counties ============= Mary Thiele Fobian Writer/Editor Pacific Grove, CA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Logue, Hoyt Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/lEC.2ACE/394.1 Message Board Post: Ralph, You have an interesting problem here. I'm not related, but can provide you a few clues that might help you out. 1870 Census, Muscoda, Grant, WI, Household 95 James Logue, 43, Laborer, PA Cathrine, 39, PA Samuel, 20, PA Edward E., 18, PA J. D., 16, PA (male) John J., 14, WI Amanda A., 9, WI Almira F., 7, WI Adele, 4, WI I suspect Adele is Della/Adella. 1870 Census, Muscoda, Grant, WI, Household 98 A. J. Hoyt, 50, Farmer, NY Mary Ann, 49, PA Royal, 21, PA John, 17, PA Mary, 12, WI Leotona Logue, 10, WI George (Logue?), 3, WO Laurie (Logue or Hoyt?), 47, PA The question of the day is what happened to James and Catherine in 1880. Did they die? Move away? They aren't found in Grant Co. 1880 Census, Muscoda, Grant, WI, Pg. 247C A.J. Hout, 59, Farmer, BP not State, VT, Mother BP not Stated Mary A., 58, Keeping House, PA, MD, CT Mary, 21, At School, WI, NY, PA Della Lagne/Logue?, 13, At Home, WI, PA, PA (Niece) George McDoncal, 13, Works on Farm, WI, PA, PA (Nephew) This must be your Della Logue. Now, back to the 1900 census. Adella is listed as the "cousin-on-law" of Leroy Hoyt which would make her the "cousin" of his wife Mary H. Also you find Albert J. (A.J.) Hoyt, Mary H's father living there. Per the Grant Co. marriage records, Laroy (Leroy) S. Hoyt married Mary H. Hoyt, 19 Nov 1899, recorded in Bk. 12, Pg. 395. Laroy is recorded as the son of Edgar M. and Amanda C. (Unknown) Hoyt. Mary H. the daughter of Albert J. and Mary Ann (Logue) Hoyt. Well, here is part of the connection. I suspect Leroy and Mary were cousins. Also, Mary's mother was a Logue and quite likely the sister of Jame Logue. It's pure speculation, but would seem that Adele Logue was born in Muscoda in 1867 to James and Catherine Logue. In 1870 she is in their household. In 1880 she is listed as Della in the houshold of her Aunt, Mary Ann (Logue) Hoyt. In 1900 she is living with her cousin Mary H. (Hoyt) Hoyt and her Uncle, Albert J. Logue who apparently raised here since at least the age of 13. I don't find any reference to Addom James Logue, but likely this is the James you seek. Do you have the names for any of Jacob B.'s siblings? Do they match up with the 1870 census? Is J. D. in 1870 actually J. B. (Jacob B.)? Good luck in the search. Dave Taft Arlington, TX

Di, First let me try and answer your questions based some on fact and some on experience. _How is the bio in question placed in the book in relation to other information, (i.e. is it just an alpha-surname listing? Are the bio's in geographically relevant placement--chapter structure, etc.). Unlike most traditional county histories of the 1880's era, this book is strictly a biographical volume. There are no chapters and the bio's are in not set structure that I can figure out. They are neither in alphabetical, nor geographical order. Just bio's from page 1 to 982. I due suspect that bio number 1 came at an extra price to someone. _Does the book have further information on how the biographical data was acquired, (i.e. interviewer's names, dates, supplier's identity?) As with bio's in other county histories, the information came from the family. It is unclear if they were published as written, written with assistance of the publisher or their local representative, or edited by the publisher. There is no bibliography or footnotes identifying the source of the information. It was likely a family project, however these generally contain some "flowery" language that had to have been crafted by a trained writer. In some cases, there are biographies of people who died previously. These were obviously submitted by the family. Here is the preface to the 1901 History: "The importance of placing in book form biographical history of representative citizens - both for its immediate worth and for its value to coming generations - is admitted by all thinking people; and within the past decade there has been a growing interest in this commendable means of perpetuating biography and family genealogy. That the public is entitled to the privileges afforded by a work of this nature needs no assertion at our hands; for one of our greatest Americans has said that the history of any country resolves itself into the biographies of its stout, earnest and representative citizens. This medium, then, serves more than a single purpose: while it perpetuates biography and family genealogy, it records history, much of which would be preserved in no other way. In presenting the COMMEMORATIVE BIOGRAPHICAL RECORD to its patrons, the publishers have to acknowledge, with gratitude, the encouragement and support their enterprise has received, and the willing assistance rendered in enabling them to surmount the many unforeseen obstacles to be met with in the production of a work of this character. In nearly every instance the material composing the sketches was gathered from those immediately interested, and then submitted in type-written form for correction and revision. The volume, which is one of generous amplitude, is placed in the hands of the public with the belief that it will be found a valuable addition to the library, as well as an invaluable contribution to the historical literature of the State of Wisconsin. THE PUBLISHERS." _Any author's/editor's notes or preface on how the subject selections were made? This is an interesting question that many genealogists may not be aware of. >From :The Researcher's Guide to American Genealogy," by Val D. Greenwood, "A feature of many local histories is a biographical section with short historical sketches of prominent citizens and early settlers in the locality. Some of these are quite authentic because the families provided the information, and others contain many errors for the same reason. Those books which specialized in biographical sketches accompanied with pictures of the persons named therein are often referred to by book dealers and genealogists as "mug books" because anyone could get his "mug" in one if he paid the fee, and no one could if he didn't." >From "Preserving Your American Heritage, by Norman E. Wright, "Many of these earlier histories were the work of commercial businesses that solicited subscriptions from local citizens to finance publication. For a price almost anyone could become prominent, and for additional fees pictures and sketches of farms and outbuildings were included. Biographical sections extolled in extravagant terms the lives of the simplest citizens, for those who could afford the subscription price. Unfortunately many otherwise stalwart citizens were not included." This is really no different than many "Who's Who" type publications done today. I have heard that many early newspapers limited obituaries and mentions of births and marriages to paid subscribers...quid pro quo. _Accuracy. You asked about this before. As stated above, there can be problems. Some could be a simple as typographical errors made in the publication process. Some could be bad memory or overactive imagination. Other information is simply "left out" for some reason. A case in point is the bio. of my GGGG Uncle, Seymour Taft, in the 1884 History of Crawford Co. Even though he married a 3rd time to Mari's (our Mari) GG-something Grandmother in 1879, she isn't mentioned, even though his first two wives were. And now, here is the biography of Mary J. Shinoe: Commemorative Biographical Record of the Counties of Rock, Green, Grant, Iowa and Lafayette, Wisconsin, 1901, J. H. Beers & Co., Chicago, Pg. 571-2: MRS. MARY J. SHINOE, not now actively interested in the business cares which absorbed her attention for many years, and living quietly and at her ease in the town of Paris, Grant county, was born in Allegheny county, Penn., Aug. 18, 1838. Alexander and Jane (Dalgril) McPherson, her parents, were both natives of Scotland, where they were reared. While they were still young people they came to Allegheny county, Penn., and there they were married and made their home some five or six years. Mr. McPherson was a shoemaker, and followed his trade while living in Pennsylvania. In 1844, Mr. and Mrs. McPherson, with their family, moved West, and effected a settlement at the mouth of the Big and Little Platte rivers, in Grant county, where he ran a ferry boat for a number of years. While living on the Platte he purchased a farm of 160 acres of wild land two miles west of Dickeysville. This place he cleared up, erected good farm buildings, and made a comfortable home for his family, occupying same until 1881, when he sold out and moved to Phillipsburg, Kans. where he purchased a home and lived until his death, in 1898. Mrs. McPherson died in 1882, in Kansas. Of their family of nine children, three died while children: (1) Mary J., Mrs. Shinoe, was their eldest child, and received her education in the common schools of Grant county. (2) James McPherson, the eldest son and second child, was born in Pennsylvania in 1840, and died while a soldier in the Civil War. He was a member of Company I, 25th Wis. V. I. (3) Robert McPherson, born in Pennsylvania in 1844, was a soldier in the Civil war, serving until its close as a member of the 33d Wis. V. I. He married Miss Montie Dickey, of Dickeysville, Grant county, and now resides on a farm near Phillipsburg, Kans. They have three children, Frank, Estella and Maggie. (4) Alex McPherson, born in Grant county, enlisted when a boy of sixteen in the 43d Wis. V. I., and served until the close of the Rebellion. Returning from the war, he married Miss Henrietta Meighey, and now resides on his farm in the town of Paris. They a family of nine children, Estella, Alex, John, Arthur, Emaline, Bessie, Maggie, Gertrude, and Etta. (5) William McPherson, born in Grant county, is married, and now lives in Ironton, Iowa. He is the father of four children; we have record of three, Susan, Jennie, and William. (6) Julia McPherson, born in Grant county, is now the wife of John Ferguson, who lives near Phillipsburg, Kans. They have one son, James. In March, 1856, Mary J. McPherson was married to Lewis Shinoe, a native of Virginia, then living in Grant county. Jeremiah Shinoe, his father, moved into Ohio when Lewis was very young, and after a short stay in that State came to Wisconsin, where the family made a permanent location. During the Civil war, in September, 1862. Mr. Shinoe enlisted in Company I, 25th Wis. V. I., and served with his regiment on the Minnesota frontier, in Kentucky and Missouri, and then with Gen. Sherman on his famous March to the Sea. While in the campaign around Atlanta Mr. Shinoe was taken sick, and his malady proving serious, he was sent home on a furlough. He died in January, 1864, after having faithfully performed his every duty as a citizen and a soldier. Mr. Shinoe was greatly honored and esteemed by his comrades, as well as by the people of his own community. Mrs. Shinoe was left at the home in Dickeysville with four little children. After her husbands death she bought the Allen Taylor farm, and there lived until recently, now making her home with her daughter, Mrs. Benjamin Folts. (1) Martha J. Shinoe, the eldest child of this estimable lady and her honored husband, was born in the town of Paris in 1857, and is now the wife of James Harvey, of Remsen, Iowa. They are the parents of six children, Orvil, Maud, Bessie, Benjamin, Roy and Carl. (2) John L. Shinoe, born in Grant county in 1858, married Miss Othie Rister, and is now living in Bottineau county, N. Dak. They have six children, Pearl, Ernest, Effie, Nellie, Burt and Bertha James. (3) Nora Shinoe, born in February, 1861, married Benjamin Folts, now of the town of Paris, a veteran of the Civil War, in which he was a member of Company K. 44th Wis. V. I., serving throughout that desperate struggle. They have one son, Leslie B. Mr. Folts was born in Milwaukee in 1846, a son of David and Mary Folts, who came west from Pennsylvania, and settled in Jamestown, Grant county, where the father is still living at a ripe old age. In 1891 Mr. Folts purchased his present home in the town of Paris, and here he has since followed farming. (4) Benjamin F. Shinoe, born in 1863, is unmarried, and resides on his farm in North Dakota. Mr. Shinoe was always a Republican in politics. Mrs. Shinoe is a member of the Congregational Church of Mount Zion. She deserves more than passing mention in a work like this. Left a widow, with a family of small children, and smaller resources, she has battled successfully with the difficulties of life, and has reared a family of children in whom she takes much pride and comfort. One final comment. You will notice the name of the town Dickeysville. That is what it used to be called. Today it's Dickeyville. Enjoy, Dave Taft

TY Dave! SOURCE: Commemorative Biographical Record of the Counties of Rock, Green, Grant, Iowa and Lafayette, Wisconsin: containing biographical sketches...; Beers, 1901. Biography of which I hope to find either an accurately transcribed version or copy: Pages 571 & 572 Mary J. SHINOE, Mrs. Questions about the source (some of which you've already answered): _How is the bio in question placed in the book in relation to other information, (i.e. is it just an alpha-surname listing? Are the bio's in geographically relevant placement--chapter structure, etc.). _Does the book have further information on how the biographical data was acquired, (i.e. interviewer's names, dates, supplier's identity?) _Any author's/editor's notes or preface on how the subject selections were made? T-Oodles-IA for help! Di - Kindet@ yahoo. com --

Di, I have a reprint of the 1901 book. What bio. are you interested in? As for sources of the information, this book, like most, were "subscription" type publications. The information was generally written and/or provided by the individuals. Being included cost the individual. I don't know how much, but in modern dollars, I would suspect at least $100. Most of the data is accurate, but often the family members took some historical liberties. Granted, there are probably some typo's as well. I have a relative in the 1901 book who claimed to be related to Benedict Arnold. Oops! No he wasn't, but it was a nice try. Guess he never thought someone would check it out. Let me know who you are looking for and I can get you a transcript of the biography. Dave Taft

Hi all, I wondered if SKS could help clarify some things from a transcription of a biography in: Commemorative Biographical Record of the Counties of Rock, Green, Grant, Iowa and Lafayette, Wisconsin: containing biographical sketches..., Beers, 1901. I have a typed transcription of a biography and I'm desperately trying to iron out a few questionable items therein. It involves a crucial bunch of genealogical information/clues for my research. I would like to know how accurate the transcription is, and further info on the source, if available (interviewer/ee, etc.). I may eventually rent the film, but need to have some more immediate questions answered. I know this list has many helpful, experienced researchers who will have some wisdom to share, and I'm in good hands, grateful to have this resource to turn to! Q: Does someone have access to this book who is familiar with details of the publication, or can look them up and would be willing to send me a scan or transcription of a bio, along with some source detail questions? (e or snail mail would be great & I'd be glad to send compensation) Q2: If above isn't possible, would the GCGS, WHS, or Karrmann send me same? Q2a: Has anyone sent for a bio from the book from above, and if so, what was the fee and how long did it take to receive it? (member/non member fees) Q3: Providing none of the above work out, if I knew the name and pages of the bio, would the FHC send a copy to me? Has anyone done this? (providing the fee for this service isn't higher than that to rent the film) Q4: For Qs 2-3, would email be possible and just as efficient a way to request this service as would snail mail? According to response to this plea, I'll send details of my lookup request & questions thereof, in a follow-up message. TIA for any assistance! Di - Kindet@ yahoo. com --

Hi All, Been out of town, but saw these queries regarding the Primitive Methodist Church. Here is there official web site with some history of the church: http://www.primitivemethodistchurch.org/ Dave Taft

In a message dated 02/4/4 10:40:33 AM, KinDetective@aol.com writes: << Church history >> I just wanted to quickly add this link for folks who want a fascinating topic related site to muse. Di Religion and the New Republic (Religion and the Founding of the American Republic, Library of Congress Exhibition) http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel07.html

DeLories, Interesting question. No Church history charts in The Source. I've seen some churches in directories for UMC, listed as Primitive Methodist, but see no mention of Primitive history in the brief Church history given here: http://www.umc.org/genconf/history.html I did a quick Google search for Primitive Methodist and found a list of sites, but I don't have time now to scan them for an historical summary. It sounds from your description that it may well have been an English-American version of what seems to me to have been a Church of England revival (Methodist). I'm interested to read some more educated feedback on this. The Anglican, especially American, branches of Protestantism are, I'm sure, too complex to be explained in a chart which covers a small monitor screen size <G>, but I do have a very simplified chart of the general branches of Christianity, which I can scan from a book, just to show a small group of folks, if anyone is interested. Since it's copyright material I want to be respectful. On short notice, I only know of one nicely created chart showing church roots structure, splits, branches, etc., which is for the Scot Presbytery 1560-1929 (Calvinist). If anyone on the list knows of a similar one for the Wesleyan Methodist Church (Anglican), I'm sure that others would like to know of it. I'll also look through a PDF file I have which contains several pages of church charts, to see if they might be helpful and if there's a way I can share them. Di Church of Scotland chart: http://www.btinternet.com/~stnicholas.buccleuch/chart.htm#Splits Other 'church' related sites: Early American Church Denominations http://www.geocities.com/gentutor/churches.html Denomination & Church Affiliations with church Directory listings http://netministries.org/denomlst.htm APS Guide to Resources in Theology (Canadian University site) http://www.utoronto.ca/stmikes/theobook.htm CyndisList - Religion / Methodist http://www.CyndisList.com/religion.htm http://www.CyndisList.com/methodis.htm -- In a message dated 02/4/4 7:17:10 AM, JDVon@aol.com writes: << I was wondering if the United Methodist Church was once the Primitive Methodist Church? As my family help to start the Primitive Methodist Church in Grant CO., when they came over from England in the early 1800s. >>

I was wondering if the United Methodist Church was once the Primitive Methodist Church? As my family help to start the Primitive Methodist Church in Grant CO., when they came over from England in the early 1800s. Specifically, Big Patch, Platteville and surrounding areas. Just curious. DeLories (Robinson) Vaughn Summer: Lynnwood, Washington Winter: Yuma, Arizona

Hi again Sandy, Silly me, I sometimes forget that I have Szucs & Luebking's, The Source, and what a key tool it is. I looked up Churches, Methodist and have the below to offer in hopes it helps expedite your search. My guess is, that the quoted website from my previous reply, below, may have an email address to which you can write, in lieu of snail mail. Happy Hunting! Di Transcribed from page 166, The SOURCE: ~~Major Collections are in: United Methodist Archives Center General Commission on Archives and History of the United Methodist Church P.O. Box 127 Drew University Madison, NJ 07940 This archive is making a concerted effort to collect microfilm copies of the many newspapers published by the various state conferences of the Methodist church. It also houses microfilm copies of foreign-language newspapers published by churches such as the Evangelical United Brethren, which later merged with the Methodist church. For a fee of $10, the archive will search the newspaper holdings for an obituary if provided with a place and time of death and precise denominational affiliation. This archive does NOT maintain records of DEFUNCT congregations. These are housed in the pertinent STATE REPOSITORY. However, the general archive will INFORM correspondents of the LOCATION of the state repository most likely to have the records in question.~~ It then lists 11 addresses of various libraries, archives, research centers, etc. -- In a message dated 02/4/2 1:07:23 PM, KinDetective@aol.com writes: << You might also check out the United Methodist Church, General Commission on Archives & History, here: http://www.gcah.org/ >>

I couldn't agree more with you, Robin. One of the articles I scanned about the NARA release of the 1930 said that the particular regional facility opened at midnight to allow extra research time for the anticipated rush of genies, and the interviewee told that she wasn't the only one there at opening time. As for Ancestry... Well, I stayed away from them for years because I just had heard too many similar frustration stories and at those times they didn't have enough for me to invest time or money for what they then offered. I still don't think the service is up to par, but since they now have some new and more extensive British Isles data and the Images Online project, I did recently break down and purchase some time. I do find that between the times they have temporarily interrupted service, or poor connections and less than efficient navigating, along with what you mention regarding the index inconsistencies, it is frustrating. I have to say though, I believe I will have gotten my money's worth, where in past I know I wouldn't have, as most of what would have been available could and should be gotten elsewhere. With a much busier, complicated life I now enjoy the convenience of desktop searches and save time waiting for ordered films, sources and computer/reader availability. Some FHLs have more hours than mine, which only has one day per week that is opened past banking hours, and they're not open any weekend time. It is infuriating when you know someone's there and they don't show up on Ancestry search results. I can understand some missing folks due to spelling or human error, but far too many people are seemingly nonexistent in the most key times for researching details of their lives. <sigh> Di -- In a message dated 02/4/3 3:30:16 PM, robinkaspar@attbi.com writes: << For what it's worth, I'm staying far away from the NARA for a few months. That 1-1/2 hour drive to DC (in DC traffic) isn't worth it just to find out a bazillion other people are there, too. I got a short Ancestry subscription to check out what they have to offer. Navigating around the site once I've logged in is a little frustrating, cause it seems I get a different screen every time I want to search for something. The censuses that are indexed are much nicer than the ones that aren't, yet the indexing seems inconsistent. For instance, I was trying to search on the name of a child since I didn't know her parents' names. She didn't come up. So I thought, ok they've only indexed heads of household, or only the adults, etc. Well, in other searches I've seen children (and babies) come up in the indexes. So I don't get it. Some of the indexes show the person's age, some of them don't. >>

Wow! This is really cool. Seems it covers all states too. Just what I needed. Thanks again Di! Regards, --- Sandy B. NW WASH STATE, USA --- FAULL-L@rootsweb.com List Administrator --- --- KinDetective@aol.com wrote: > >Hi again Sandy, >Silly me, I sometimes forget that I have Szucs & Luebking's, The Source, and >what a key tool it is. >I looked up Churches, Methodist and have the below to offer in hopes it helps >expedite your search. >My guess is, that the quoted website from my previous reply, below, may have >an email address to which you can write, in lieu of snail mail. >Happy Hunting! >Di > > >Transcribed from page 166, The SOURCE: > >~~Major Collections are in: > >United Methodist Archives Center >General Commission on Archives and >History of the United Methodist Church >P.O. Box 127 >Drew University >Madison, NJ 07940 > >This archive is making a concerted effort to collect microfilm copies of the >many newspapers published by the various state conferences of the Methodist >church. It also houses microfilm copies of foreign-language newspapers >published by churches such as the Evangelical United Brethren, which later >merged with the Methodist church. For a fee of $10, the archive will search >the newspaper holdings for an obituary if provided with a place and time of >death and precise denominational affiliation. This archive does NOT maintain >records of DEFUNCT congregations. These are housed in the pertinent STATE >REPOSITORY. However, the general archive will INFORM correspondents of the >LOCATION of the state repository most likely to have the records in >question.~~ > >It then lists 11 addresses of various libraries, archives, research centers, >etc. > > > > > >-- >In a message dated 02/4/2 1:07:23 PM, KinDetective@aol.com writes: > ><< You might also check out the United Methodist Church, General Commission >on > >Archives & History, here: > > http://www.gcah.org/ >> > > > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _____________________________________________________________ Visit www.KoolBits.com The Koolest site on the web! Tell you friends about KoolBits.com _____________________________________________________________ Run a small business? Then you need professional email like you@yourbiz.com from Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net?tag

For what it's worth, I'm staying far away from the NARA for a few months. That 1-1/2 hour drive to DC (in DC traffic) isn't worth it just to find out a bazillion other people are there, too. I got a short Ancestry subscription to check out what they have to offer. Navigating around the site once I've logged in is a little frustrating, cause it seems I get a different screen every time I want to search for something. The censuses that are indexed are much nicer than the ones that aren't, yet the indexing seems inconsistent. For instance, I was trying to search on the name of a child since I didn't know her parents' names. She didn't come up. So I thought, ok they've only indexed heads of household, or only the adults, etc. Well, in other searches I've seen children (and babies) come up in the indexes. So I don't get it. Some of the indexes show the person's age, some of them don't. Robin -----Original Message----- From: KinDetective@aol.com [mailto:KinDetective@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:15 AM To: WIGRANT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WIGRANT] 1930 census info In a message dated 02/4/2 7:18:36 PM, j.w.dvorak@worldnet.att.net writes: << David when will the Grant County Wisconsin census records be out? >> Hi John, I know this was directed to David, but for what it's worth, since Robin posted the related NARA site last week in timely manner for us to anticipate it's public release, below is some from what I've snooped out about the 1930 (Federal Census), which is available as of this past Monday 1 April 2002 (note: Wisconsin's last state census was 1905). It can be purchased ($34), rented, or viewed on microfilm at NARA in DC, & at the 13 regional facilities. I did not see any mention of indexes for the census and only 12 Southern States had Soundex completed by the WPA. I've not found any evidence that the FHC yet has copies available for rent (check with your local FHL or email fhl@ldschurch.org to inquire when they might acquire them). Ancestry is adding to their online database, which by 3 April only contained three counties of Delaware State, although it is said to be aiming to have all images online (2,667 rolls of microfilm) in the next three months, and create an all-name index by November. Hoping all find their desired+ data! Di From a 25 March article in the Everett Washington Herald, referenced from LDS site: "...Even with the census rolls in hand, finding a relative may not be easy. Unlike the 1920 or 1910 census, the 1930 results weren't organized to make it easy to search by a person's surname. That means researchers will have to narrow down where a person lived to a neighborhood before delving into the census, unless they want to be stuck poring over reams of information,... .... ...Where to look at the 1930 Census: National Archives, .... [lists closest regional NARA repository] Local library: ....[].... Regional Library System and the ....[].... Public Library are able to rent microfilms of the census information from the National Archives. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Family History centers. ..." [does not list an availability date, but nothing is listed in the FHC Library catalog as yet] From Deseret News 1 April Article: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,380009611,00.html "... The count was taken April 1, 1930, just over five months after the October 1929 stock market crash that plunged the country into depression. One question asked whether someone had worked the previous day; another asks to give what "class of worker" you are. The 1930 census also lent evidence to a shift in educational goals for Americans. It was the last census to ask if someone could read or write and the first to ask if someone had attended college. "It is at this pivotal point of history, poised between two tumultuous but very different decades, that enumerators of the 1930 census captured a statistical snapshot of our nation," said John Carlin, archivist of the United States. The 1930 count was also the last tally in which all Americans answered the same questions. Short and long versions of the census questionnaire were introduced in 1940. No forms were mailed. All homes were visited by a census taker, who read off a series of 32 questions and recorded responses by hand. ..." From the NARA 1930 Census FAQ page (which includes all questions asked on census): What are the major differences from the earlier census records? 1.In 1920, the census asked "if naturalized, year of naturalization." In 1930, the Census asked only if the person were naturalized. 2.The 1900, 1910, and 1920 censuses asked if a person owned or rented a house. In 1930, the schedules also included the value of the home or the amount of rent paid each month. 3.The 1930 census asked if the home had a radio. 4.The 1930 census asked a person's age at the time of his or her first marriage. 5.In 1930, the census asked which specific war a man fought in. Enumeration district maps can be found in M1930, Enumeration District Maps for the Fifteenth Census of the United States, 1930 (36 rolls). These maps show the boundaries and the number of each enumeration district. M1931, Index to Selected City Streets and Enumeration Districts, 1930 Census (7 rolls). This series cross references street addresses with enumeration districts for more than 50 cities. - http://1930census.nara.gov/beginSearch.asp Grant County, WI in 1930 census. Microfilm Publication: T626. Microfilm Roll Number: 2574 Number of Microfilm Rolls: 1 Number of Enumeration Districts: 59 ED are arranged alphabetically, as per the *Partial* list below, for example. ____ ED Enumeration District Descriptions 22- 1 BAGLEY VILLAGE 22- 2 BEETOWN TOWN 22- 7 BOSCOBEL TOWN EXCLUDING BOSCOBEL CITY 22- 8 CASSVILLE TOWN EXCLUDING CASSVILLE VILLAGE 22- 11 CLIFTON TOWN EXCLUDING LIVINGSTON VILLAGE 22- 12 CUBA CITY 22- 17 HARRISON TOWN 22- 18 HAZEL GREEN TOWN EXCLUDING HAZEL GREEN VILLAGE 22- 22 JAMESTOWN TOWN 22- 23 LANCASTER CITY 22- 27 LIVINGSTON VILLAGE (PART) 22- 37 PARIS TOWN 22- 40 PLATTEVILLE City, WARD 1, BOUNDED BY (N) City LIMITS; (E) City LIMITS; (S) E. MINERAL; (W) WATER. 22- 47 PLATTEVILLE City, WARD 8, BOUNDED BY (N) E. MINERAL; (E) City LIMITS; (S) City LIMITS; (W) GALENA RD., LYDIA, E. PINE, OAK. 22- 48 PLATTEVILLE TOWN EXCLUDING PLATTEVILLE CITY 22- 49 POTOSI TOWN EXCLUDING POTOSI VILLAGE 22- 51 SMELSER TOWN EXCLUDING CUBA CITY 22- 53 GRANT CO. INSANE ASYLUM AND HOME 22- 54 WATERLOO TOWN _ Institutions not already listed.... 22- 23 GRANT CO. HOSPITAL 22- 23 GRANT CO. JAIL 22- 23 LANCASTER HOSPITAL 22- 45 WILSON CUNNINGHAM HOSPITAL 22- 46 ANDREW HOSPITAL ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

In a message dated 02/4/2 7:18:36 PM, j.w.dvorak@worldnet.att.net writes: << David when will the Grant County Wisconsin census records be out? >> Hi John, I know this was directed to David, but for what it's worth, since Robin posted the related NARA site last week in timely manner for us to anticipate it's public release, below is some from what I've snooped out about the 1930 (Federal Census), which is available as of this past Monday 1 April 2002 (note: Wisconsin's last state census was 1905). It can be purchased ($34), rented, or viewed on microfilm at NARA in DC, & at the 13 regional facilities. I did not see any mention of indexes for the census and only 12 Southern States had Soundex completed by the WPA. I've not found any evidence that the FHC yet has copies available for rent (check with your local FHL or email fhl@ldschurch.org to inquire when they might acquire them). Ancestry is adding to their online database, which by 3 April only contained three counties of Delaware State, although it is said to be aiming to have all images online (2,667 rolls of microfilm) in the next three months, and create an all-name index by November. Hoping all find their desired+ data! Di From a 25 March article in the Everett Washington Herald, referenced from LDS site: "...Even with the census rolls in hand, finding a relative may not be easy. Unlike the 1920 or 1910 census, the 1930 results weren't organized to make it easy to search by a person's surname. That means researchers will have to narrow down where a person lived to a neighborhood before delving into the census, unless they want to be stuck poring over reams of information,... .... ...Where to look at the 1930 Census: National Archives, .... [lists closest regional NARA repository] Local library: ....[].... Regional Library System and the ....[].... Public Library are able to rent microfilms of the census information from the National Archives. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Family History centers. ..." [does not list an availability date, but nothing is listed in the FHC Library catalog as yet] From Deseret News 1 April Article: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,380009611,00.html "... The count was taken April 1, 1930, just over five months after the October 1929 stock market crash that plunged the country into depression. One question asked whether someone had worked the previous day; another asks to give what "class of worker" you are. The 1930 census also lent evidence to a shift in educational goals for Americans. It was the last census to ask if someone could read or write and the first to ask if someone had attended college. "It is at this pivotal point of history, poised between two tumultuous but very different decades, that enumerators of the 1930 census captured a statistical snapshot of our nation," said John Carlin, archivist of the United States. The 1930 count was also the last tally in which all Americans answered the same questions. Short and long versions of the census questionnaire were introduced in 1940. No forms were mailed. All homes were visited by a census taker, who read off a series of 32 questions and recorded responses by hand. ..." From the NARA 1930 Census FAQ page (which includes all questions asked on census): What are the major differences from the earlier census records? 1.In 1920, the census asked "if naturalized, year of naturalization." In 1930, the Census asked only if the person were naturalized. 2.The 1900, 1910, and 1920 censuses asked if a person owned or rented a house. In 1930, the schedules also included the value of the home or the amount of rent paid each month. 3.The 1930 census asked if the home had a radio. 4.The 1930 census asked a person's age at the time of his or her first marriage. 5.In 1930, the census asked which specific war a man fought in. Enumeration district maps can be found in M1930, Enumeration District Maps for the Fifteenth Census of the United States, 1930 (36 rolls). These maps show the boundaries and the number of each enumeration district. M1931, Index to Selected City Streets and Enumeration Districts, 1930 Census (7 rolls). This series cross references street addresses with enumeration districts for more than 50 cities. - http://1930census.nara.gov/beginSearch.asp Grant County, WI in 1930 census. Microfilm Publication: T626. Microfilm Roll Number: 2574 Number of Microfilm Rolls: 1 Number of Enumeration Districts: 59 ED are arranged alphabetically, as per the *Partial* list below, for example. ____ ED Enumeration District Descriptions 22- 1 BAGLEY VILLAGE 22- 2 BEETOWN TOWN 22- 7 BOSCOBEL TOWN EXCLUDING BOSCOBEL CITY 22- 8 CASSVILLE TOWN EXCLUDING CASSVILLE VILLAGE 22- 11 CLIFTON TOWN EXCLUDING LIVINGSTON VILLAGE 22- 12 CUBA CITY 22- 17 HARRISON TOWN 22- 18 HAZEL GREEN TOWN EXCLUDING HAZEL GREEN VILLAGE 22- 22 JAMESTOWN TOWN 22- 23 LANCASTER CITY 22- 27 LIVINGSTON VILLAGE (PART) 22- 37 PARIS TOWN 22- 40 PLATTEVILLE City, WARD 1, BOUNDED BY (N) City LIMITS; (E) City LIMITS; (S) E. MINERAL; (W) WATER. 22- 47 PLATTEVILLE City, WARD 8, BOUNDED BY (N) E. MINERAL; (E) City LIMITS; (S) City LIMITS; (W) GALENA RD., LYDIA, E. PINE, OAK. 22- 48 PLATTEVILLE TOWN EXCLUDING PLATTEVILLE CITY 22- 49 POTOSI TOWN EXCLUDING POTOSI VILLAGE 22- 51 SMELSER TOWN EXCLUDING CUBA CITY 22- 53 GRANT CO. INSANE ASYLUM AND HOME 22- 54 WATERLOO TOWN _ Institutions not already listed.... 22- 23 GRANT CO. HOSPITAL 22- 23 GRANT CO. JAIL 22- 23 LANCASTER HOSPITAL 22- 45 WILSON CUNNINGHAM HOSPITAL 22- 46 ANDREW HOSPITAL

The street name is Wisconsin Avenue where Muscoda High School and St. John's Catholic school was located. "A high school was organized in 1877. In 1879, the voters of the district changed the school from a Town High School to a District High School. The first class to graduate was in 1880 and consisted of two persons. In 1885 the school built in 1860 burned and a new two-story building was built at the same location. This building consisted of four large rooms, two on each floor plus a large hallway on the first floor and stairs leading to the top two rooms. This is the building where many of our alumni attended high school and or grade school. Many of the old pictures show a widow's walk on the roof of the building. In the summer of 1920 lightning struck the roof, burning it off. Again a new building was built in 1938 where it still stands as a skeleton on Wisconsin Avenue. The St. John's grade school was built in 1937, the first high school class graduated in 1941 and ultimately closed in July 1957. A new grade school was built in another location and is no longer used as such." Verbatim from Muscoda High Schools Directory compiled by Joe Drone and John Duffey. Given at Muscoda High School, School Reunion.

Wow! This is great....Thanks Kin, always nice to have you on our side Regards, --- Sandy B. NW WASH STATE, USA --- FAULL-L@rootsweb.com List Administrator --- --- KinDetective@aol.com wrote: > >Book references from the FHC Library Catalog: > > Cross and flame in Wisconsin : the story of United Methodism in the Badger >State Blake, William > > >http://www.FamilySearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?displ > >ay=titledetails&titleno=184607&disp=Cross_and_flame_in_Wisconsin > > > History of Methodism in Wisconsin Bennett, Pansy S. (Pansy Seaton Field) , >1910- > (also on Film) > > >http://www.FamilySearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?displ > >ay=titledetails&titleno=181827&disp=History_of_Methodism_in_Wisconsin > > > A hundred years of Congregational history in Wisconsin Dexter, Frank N > > >http://www.FamilySearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?displ > >ay=titledetails&titleno=480400&disp=A_hundred_years_of_Congregational_histor > > > > > >Wisconsin, Grant - Church records References from FHC Library Catalog: > > Church record, 1880-1900 Hurricane Gemeinde (Hurricane, Wisconsin) > > >http://www.FamilySearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?displ > >ay=titledetails&titleno=174267&disp=Church_record,_1880-1900 > > > Church records, 1804-1890 Patch Grove Good Templer Church (Methodist >Episcopal : Patch Grove, WI) > > >http://www.FamilySearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?displ > >ay=titledetails&titleno=456771&disp=Church_records > > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _____________________________________________________________ Visit www.KoolBits.com The Koolest site on the web! Tell you friends about KoolBits.com _____________________________________________________________ Run a small business? Then you need professional email like you@yourbiz.com from Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net?tag

Does anyone know the name of the street that the school/schools are located on in Muscoda? I'm also wondering if they changed the street name or the address through time when there used to be a farm at that address the shool is at now or would the address be the same as what was the farm years ago?