Norma, can you give any additional details such as dates and places? It will help anyone who tries to help you. At 21:57 4/15/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Dear WAGENER researcher: > >I wonder if you would tell me what WAGENER family you are researching? >Could it be the family of Nathan WAGENER, by any chance? I am most anxious >to find information on his daughter, Rebecca. I believe her mother's maiden >name was Nancy BRIGGS. > >Sincerely, >Norma Jean Drebin >Oregon > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <cfritz@ix.netcom.com> >To: <WIGRANT-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 7:37 PM >Subject: [WIGRANT] Re: DIETZEL/WAGENER/WAGNER > > >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Classification: Query >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/lEC.2ACE/330.1 >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> In the Index to Deaths in Grant County, Wisconsin 1915-1930 I find the >following entry, on 02 Jan 1915 Anna Katharine VONDRA Dietzel died. She was >listed as being 80 years old and the daughter of Lawrence VONDRA. Other >deaths in this index list Lawrence's wife as Margaret RUHLAND. It also >states that she was survived by her husband last name DIETZEL >> >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ============= Mary Thiele Fobian Writer/Editor Pacific Grove, CA

At 09:56 PM 4/11/02 -0400, Michael Hampton wrote: >I'll be digging up LaVon Hall's number soon. Give LaVon my regards. I am related to her husband. We haven't corresponded in years, but she was one of my very first genealogy "finds," 20 or 30 years ago ... Susan

Dear WAGENER researcher: I wonder if you would tell me what WAGENER family you are researching? Could it be the family of Nathan WAGENER, by any chance? I am most anxious to find information on his daughter, Rebecca. I believe her mother's maiden name was Nancy BRIGGS. Sincerely, Norma Jean Drebin Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: <cfritz@ix.netcom.com> To: <WIGRANT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 7:37 PM Subject: [WIGRANT] Re: DIETZEL/WAGENER/WAGNER > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/lEC.2ACE/330.1 > > Message Board Post: > > In the Index to Deaths in Grant County, Wisconsin 1915-1930 I find the following entry, on 02 Jan 1915 Anna Katharine VONDRA Dietzel died. She was listed as being 80 years old and the daughter of Lawrence VONDRA. Other deaths in this index list Lawrence's wife as Margaret RUHLAND. It also states that she was survived by her husband last name DIETZEL > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/lEC.2ACE/330.1 Message Board Post: In the Index to Deaths in Grant County, Wisconsin 1915-1930 I find the following entry, on 02 Jan 1915 Anna Katharine VONDRA Dietzel died. She was listed as being 80 years old and the daughter of Lawrence VONDRA. Other deaths in this index list Lawrence's wife as Margaret RUHLAND. It also states that she was survived by her husband last name DIETZEL

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/lEC.2ACE/381.1 Message Board Post: In my records for Grant County I find an Orville Sands married to Jenny McFarland. One of the sons Twing Brooks Sand married Enda Frances Brown. They had a son Gordon Sands who married Lavena ?. They had a son Kendall Sands, who was in my High School graduating class. He died in a car accident many years ago.

In a message dated 02/4/12 1:38:28 PM, metaphor@mbay.net writes: << Sort of scary, isn't it?! >> LOL Yes it is! Thanks for the SOUNDEX reminder, Mary! Miracode & Sndx are good tools. Di

thanks for all the suggestions. keep them coming Helen

In a message dated 4/12/2002 10:22:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, HRkemp@aol.com writes: > Hello, my ggrandmother was Mary Mc Gahey. I have also found it spelled > McGaughey. Never thought about your spelling before. Do you suppose we > have > found another spelling? > Helen > Also, do not discount McCaughy and McCawhee Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, Churchill Nevada USGenWeb Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, USGenWeb Site Visit the proposed USGW Project bylaws at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nvchurch/proposedbylawschanges.htm

my Margaret Meithan or however you spell it, was born in County Wexford....and she married my great grandpa who was from County Cork. his name was Michael Condon ----- Original Message ----- From: HRkemp@aol.com To: WIGRANT-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [WIGRANT] MEIGHAN or MEIGHEY - Which one? My Mary McGahey (Ma-gay-hee) was born in Galena and married in Hazel Green. Her parenats were Owen Mc Gahey and Mary Keefe from County Cork Helen ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Then, there are so many other variations. Those who shortened the "Mc or Mac" and went with M' (Muh). A name like McGhan could conceivably evolve into modern spelling offshoots of: (M'Gan.) Megan. Maghan. etceteras...

My Mary McGahey (Ma-gay-hee) was born in Galena and married in Hazel Green. Her parenats were Owen Mc Gahey and Mary Keefe from County Cork Helen

In a message dated 02/4/12 10:00:46 AM, j.w.dvorak@worldnet.att.net writes: << Meighan in my tree.....The name could have been misspelled in our case, as now we spell the name "Mithen" or "Meithen" or "Meithan"......the name in my great grandmother's marriage certificate lists her maiden name as MEIGHAN. >> In a message dated 02/4/12 10:22:45 AM, HRkemp@aol.com writes: << Mary Mc Gahey. I have also found it spelled McGaughey. >> John & Helen, You both point out one of the problems of surname study. Many different ways to spell can all be one or separate families, anciently or more recently related. I suppose if I knew how these folk pronounced their name, it would help, although, not necessarily define the "truth." I'll look into the Celt origins, but I'm sure the following are all modern phonemic variations of the name: (may - ghan) (may - hee) (may - han) (mee - ghan) (mee - han) I'm no Celt linguist, but I'm currently under the impression that the common "gh" combination of letters was an Anglo translation of what Celts pronounced as "v" or "w". These later became a more "g" or "h" sounds as English overtook native languages. This is my very amateur memory working here, so expert advise is welcomed and further study will be pursued. I'll have to revisit the Fianna site and related links for more insight. We'll keep digging! Diane (Die - an)

Well....what county in Ireland were your ancestors from originally? ----- Original Message ----- From: HRkemp@aol.com To: WIGRANT-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [WIGRANT] MEIGHAN or MEIGHEY - Which one? Hello, my ggrandmother was Mary Mc Gahey. I have also found it spelled McGaughey. Never thought about your spelling before. Do you suppose we have found another spelling? Helen ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello, my ggrandmother was Mary Mc Gahey. I have also found it spelled McGaughey. Never thought about your spelling before. Do you suppose we have found another spelling? Helen

Being part Irish myself, I've got a name similar to Meighan in my tree.....The name could have been misspelled in our case, as now we spell the name "Mithen" or "Meithen" or "Meithan"......the name in my great grandmother's marriage certificate lists her maiden name as MEIGHAN........so I don't know if it was the misspelling of the person who made the record, or whether that was the original spelling of her surname....... ----- Original Message ----- From: KinDetective@aol.com To: WIGRANT-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:44 PM Subject: [WIGRANT] MEIGHAN or MEIGHEY - Which one? Hi all, Is anyone aware of how this Grant County surname is most accepted to be spelled? In the quoted portion of the bio below, it states that Alex McPherson married Henrietta MEIGHEY. I find, from GRANT COUNTY, WISCONSIN BIRTH RECORDS - EARLIEST TO 1891 ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/wi/grant/vitals/births/to1891/birthmo.txt (thanks again, Dave), the eight listed children are born to Alexander McPHERSON & Henrietta MEIGHAN. Which way? TIA! Di -- << Commemorative Biographical Record of the Counties of Rock, Green, Grant, Iowa and Lafayette, Wisconsin, 1901, J. H. Beers & Co., Chicago, Pg. 571-2: MRS. MARY J. SHINOE, ..<snip>.. (4) Alex McPherson, born in Grant county, enlisted when a boy of sixteen in the 43d Wis. V. I., and served until the close of the Rebellion. Returning from the war, he married Miss Henrietta Meighey, and now resides on his farm in the town of Paris. They a family of nine children, Estella, Alex, John, Arthur, Emaline, Bessie, Maggie, Gertrude, and Etta. >> ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi all, Is anyone aware of how this Grant County surname is most accepted to be spelled? In the quoted portion of the bio below, it states that Alex McPherson married Henrietta MEIGHEY. I find, from GRANT COUNTY, WISCONSIN BIRTH RECORDS - EARLIEST TO 1891 ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/wi/grant/vitals/births/to1891/birthmo.txt (thanks again, Dave), the eight listed children are born to Alexander McPHERSON & Henrietta MEIGHAN. Which way? TIA! Di -- << Commemorative Biographical Record of the Counties of Rock, Green, Grant, Iowa and Lafayette, Wisconsin, 1901, J. H. Beers & Co., Chicago, Pg. 571-2: MRS. MARY J. SHINOE, ..<snip>.. (4) Alex McPherson, born in Grant county, enlisted when a boy of sixteen in the 43d Wis. V. I., and served until the close of the Rebellion. Returning from the war, he married Miss Henrietta Meighey, and now resides on his farm in the town of Paris. They a family of nine children, Estella, Alex, John, Arthur, Emaline, Bessie, Maggie, Gertrude, and Etta. >>

Following the discussion on surname spelling variations, go to http://resources.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/soundexconverter You can type in a surname and get both a Soundex Code *and* a list of spelling variations for that code. For example, using "Meighan" from Meighey vs. Meighan question posted earlier, the results are: Soundex Code for Meighan = M250 Other surnames sharing this Soundex Code: MACKIN | MACON | MACQUEEN | MAGOON | MAKEMIE | MAKIN | MASON | MASSON | MAUGHAN | MAXON | MAXSON | MCCAIN | MCCAN | MCCANN | MCCOUN | MCCOWAN | MCCOWEN | MCCOWN | MCCUEN | MCCUNE | MCEWAN | MCEWEN | MCGANN | MCGINN | MCGOWAN | MCGOWEN | MCHAM | MCHONE | MCKAMEY | MCKANE | MCKEAN | MCKEEN | MCKENNA | MCKENNEY | MCKEON | MCKEOWN | MCKIM | MCKINNEY | MCKOWN | MCKUNE | MCNEW | MCNEY | MCQUEEN | MCQUOWN | MCSHANE | MCSWAIN | MCSWEENEY | MEACHAM | MEACHEM | MEAKIN | MECHEN | MESCAN | MESSINO | MICHUM | MIXON | MUGAN | MUSSINA | MUSSON | And using Meighey: Soundex Code for Meighey = M200 Other surnames sharing this Soundex Code: MAAK | MAAS | MAASS | MACE | MACK | MACKAY | MACKEY | MACKIE | MACY | MAES | MAGEE | MAIZE | MAS | MASK | MASSE | MASSEY | MASSIE | MAUCK | MAUK | MAUS | MAUZEY | MAXEY | MAYES | MAYHUGH | MAYS | MAZE | MAZZA | MAZZEO | MCCAY | MCCOY | MCCUE | MCGEE | MCGEHEE | MCGHEE | MCGOEY | MCKAY | MCKEE | MCKEY | MCKIE | MCQUHAE | MEASE | MEECE | MEEK | MEEKS | MEESE | MEGAW | MEIGS | MEWES | MICHIE | MICK | MICKEY | MIESS | MIKE | MIKSCH | MIX | MIZE | MOAK | MOCK | MOGG | MOOSE | MOSS | MOUSSEAU | MUCKEY | MUGG | MUIC | MUSE | Sort of scary, isn't it?! ============= Mary Thiele Fobian Writer/Editor Pacific Grove, CA

I apologize for the length of the following message... Dave, I so appreciate your help on this! You're a veritable one-man genealogy resource/library! <G> I'm grateful for our other list member's (Mari & Jeff) ideas on the delayed burial of Jane McPherson, too! It helps so very much to have collective intelligence on these issues, and several perspectives to keep open minds and fresh insight when dealing with the yet unproved. I'm sorry for the delay in reply, as my elderly father was struck from behind in his car on the highway, with my son in the car, but they are both fine. Dad just needed me for transportation while insurance decided whether to total or repair his car. He's so stubborn, that he didn't want to rent a vehicle in the mean. He finally broke down and did, after I chauffeured him around for a few days. It's been rare to even make it to my desk and turn the computer on, these last few days. Jane McPherson and her husband's burial plots are immediately adjacent, and not far from their son, Robert's plots. I surmised that she may have been buried in a family (farm) site until a cemetery plot was later purchased. Perhaps in the rush of emotions, when Jane died, the family didn't put rational thought into a permanent resting place, and as they saw more and more farmers retire, sell out, or otherwise leave farms or homesteads, they decided a public/church cemetery made more long term sense. Knowing what happened to some Grant County burials on farms (desecrated, plowed over), I only wish more ancestors had chosen the same route. Any of the mentioned scenarios are possible, and I'll let you know, if I can dig out the facts, down the road. I've written below, in the quoted text from Dave's insightful post, some replies in respect to each issue. Gosh, I feel as though a whole new path has opened up for researching a very large branch of my ancestry which was hidden in the overgrowth of time. I hope to be able to hand over some findings to other McPherson folk, who are currently in the dark, and busy researching their other lines. ----- In a message dated 02/4/9 7:23:13 PM, dtaft@cowtown.net writes: << ..<snip>.. I would have guessed maybe Dahlgren or similar, but really don't know. I did see that Mary J. (McPherson) Shinoe's death certificate lists Balzell as Jane's maiden name. Okay, not real close. Yikes! __After looking in the only home source I have for surnames, a Scots name book, I looked into some online sources for those names which are found mainly in the UK (all the most common ethnicity's) and the online IGI, coming up with nothing (sans the Yukon Trail character) other than the same idea you have of a possible DAHLGREN, or similar. That sounds very Scandinavian, but not out of the question, knowing how many Norse, Danes and Swedes were and are in the UK as permanent citizens. Honestly, I had put off getting Mary Shinoe's death cert. I got side tracked onto another surname quest. A third cousin popped out of nowhere to send me on a hunt with hot new leads in hand. I'm sure you know how that goes. I don't put much faith in death records, though if consistent with other records, they do help confirm some theories. Not so in this case? <sigh> That Balzell name struck me as recognizable, but turns out to be a related family's husband's first name: Bazel, or Berzzele, McDaniels married Mary Rister, 1862. I guess I could let my imagination get away with me to think this is a connection because up until seeing DALGRIL, the most suspected surname of Mrs. Jane McPHERSON, *was "McDANIELs." <shrug> The McDaniel(s) name comes up on Mary Jane SHINOE's pension increase record as a witness (in my cousin's possession). The name is found often in Grant records, so it may just be a neighbor. This could get very messy, and I cautiously reserve judgment. The other question surrounding Jane (?) McPherson was the location of her birth. There are several contradicting sources now which all say either Ireland or Scotland. The earlier census returns seem to indicate Ireland, and I may lean more to that, since she was alive, and being the lady of the house, possibly the person who answered many census questions? __ ..<snip>.. Per the history, Alexander and Jane moved to Allegheny Co., PA. Per the 1840 census index, there is an Alexander Mc Pherson in Antis Twp, Huntingdon Co., PA, Pg. 404. Maybe them? No Dalgril or even similar in the Township, however. __Back a few years, when I guessed that Alexander & Jane McPherson were Mary Jane Shinoe's parents, I quickly rushed to the FHL and viewed the Allegheny pages of the 1840 census. I jotted down the townships in which I found any McPherson men. Difficult, to say the least, to mull through the Pittsburgh and surrounds, to find such a common name, and hope to find an Alex. I don't think I was savvy or experienced enough at the time to take more specific notes, but believe I recall seeing a Dwight and an Alasdair who looked promising, in nearby Pitt area townships (found McP's in East Ward, Indiana, Mifflin & a handful in Ohio Twp). Looking at your notes above, I'm sure I'll be revisiting those films, to check in a larger area. I didn't put much thought into the idea that perhaps Mary was born at a different location from her next siblings in PA, but that may just be a fact of her infancy and earliest childhood, that even she didn't know. There's a Donald McPherson who buys land in the early 1850s in Grant County, WI. I'll be snooping around his paper trails, to see if he's related and can help lead me back to PA and Scotland. __ ..<snip>.. MCPHERSON, Alexander, died 1897/11/27, buried 1897/11/28 (Quick) That is really close. ..<snip>.. These look really good. Obituaries for Alexander or Jane could possibly clear up the maiden name thing and possibly more. ..<snip>.. >> __The quick burial is a mystery. I've heard of some religions which practice a rapid burial (before sundown the following day?) but doubt he fell into that category. Wonder if it was a public health issue? He was about 82, so I would think it would have been a common death, as opposed to contraction of a dangerous contagion. You know, when I was able to get a viewable version of the very biography of which you so kindly have me a much clearer transcription, and saw the Kansas location, being a devoted RootsWeber (RootsWebian, RootsWebite?), I went straight to that Phillips County site, and began to check all their resources. I have not been lucky with online records or transcriptions, and I guess my time had come, because of all those listed cemeteries, the only one completed and online was that which held the resting remains of my related McPherson folk! I literally teared up, finding it. <-insert Wizard of Oz humor here-> The only let down of the experience was reading the specifics of attaining death records from the county. Knowing that not many "official" records are available before 1906, I am always just hoping, but in this case, they don't seem to want any requests for anything prior to 1911. Perhaps the county, town or parish level will still have something that the state doesn't. I'll snoop around the KSPHILLI-L list and see if anyone can tip me off to a better route, and most certainly will keep your tips in mind. The library or your mentioned researcher may be the resources that come through for me. Sometimes obits are better than official bureaucratic paper, which is often filled out in haste to expedite the process. Obits or death notices sometimes are afforded better thought into content. I will definitely pursue that. __ Well, no other lists that I know of can boast such a helpful intelligent group of genies, all studying a very tiny population portion of a large country with such vast, complex history. I'm glad you're all here, thank you, and only have the best of wishes for all your research! One more thing, Dave, I hope you have your library and research carefully mentioned as an important element of your estate in your will! <WG> I'd hate to think that all that work, and all those resources would not end up in the best place for posterity. Bless ya! Diane

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: COOPER, PEARSON Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/lEC.2ACE/398 Message Board Post: I have a Mary Deleina COOPER married to George PEARSON in Grant County, WI on July 23, 1888. I believe Mary's father was George COOPER. Do not know who George COOPER married. The children of George COOPER were: Mary Deleina, Elfa, Mertle (a son), Lizzie, Charles, & George. I don't know anything about the family of George PEARSON. Looking for info on both families. Any help on these lines is greatly appreciated! Email to: patstarkey@attbi.com or pattystarkey@yahoo.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Kuhl, Muehl, Sauer Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/lEC.2ACE/397 Message Board Post: As of March 1, 2002, I have a new e-mail address. It is jmsauer@frontiernet.net Thank you.