The reunion of the descendants of Ludwig Carl JULIUS are holding a family reunion on July 27, 2002, in the Spearfish, SD City park. Ludwing, his wife and 5 children came to this country circa 1850 from Darmstadt, Germany and settled in the Liberty/Stitzer area. My GGrandfather, Henry and his wife moved to Iowa sometime in the 1880s. Any other descendants that would like to attend would be more than welcome. His children were: Louis C., Sophia JULIUS Ottemeier, Henry, and Catherine (Katherine) JULIUS Blackburn. This will be a potluck with coffee, iced tea and kool aid provided. Also anyone having information on the family and would like to share we would be grateful. Anyone having any questions about the reunion can contact me at oldcherub@aol.com.

I am looking for information on Priscilla Dean who married Edmund Ivens in England.around 1830. I am most interested in their children and where they died. Priscilla Dean

At 12:13 PM 6/3/2002 EDT, you wrote: >I am looking for information on Priscilla Dean who married Edmund Ivens in >England.around 1830. I am most interested in their children and where they >died. Here are some possible matches: Wisconsin Deaths, 1820-1907: Name: George E Ivens Death Date: 01 Feb 1896 County: Grant Volume: 02 Page: 0088 Reel: 030 Image: 2499 Index Volume: - Sequence #: 172629 Wisconsin Marriages, 1835-1900: IVENS, CHARLES W. married COLLINS, LUCY A. 29 Dec 1888 Grant WI IVENS, GEORGE E. married HABLE, CARRIE L. 19 Jul 1888 Grant WI ============= Mary Thiele Fobian Independent Writer/Editor Associate Editor, Reunions Magazine Pacific Grove, CA

We can help you more easily if you let us know in what way these people are connected to Grant County, Wisconsin. At 12:13 PM 6/3/2002 EDT, you wrote: >I am looking for information on Priscilla Dean who married Edmund Ivens in >England.around 1830. I am most interested in their children and where they >died. >Priscilla Dean > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ============= Mary Thiele Fobian Independent Writer/Editor Associate Editor, Reunions Magazine Pacific Grove, CA

Susan, Where in Grant County did they live? If it was in the southern part of Grant County, you may want to try the Galena, IL courthouse. I'm not sure how much they can help, because I know they had a fire in the early 1900's, but they may have something. Aleise Oyen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Cummins" <cummins7@mindspring.com> To: <WIGRANT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 2:25 PM Subject: [WIGRANT] ideas on 1890 death ... > Anyone have any suggestions for me? I am at a huge DeadEnd with one of my > ancestors. > > His name was Washington ELLIS and he lived a good long time (1807 to 1890) > and had plenty of children (seventeen) so one would think I could find > enough information on him to get back another generation. I have found him > in the census in 1840 through 1880 (from 1850 through 1880, he was in Grant > County), I have found both his marriage records (in 1833 to Elizabeth > Blankenship and 1855 to Agnes Smith Cox) but so far, nothing that will > point me in the direction of his parents' names. I've asked Grant County > for a death record (7 Mar 1890) and a probate record, but they could find > nothing. I've also inquired of Lafayette County AND Dubuque, IA. Nothing. > Nothing in the Wisconsin state archives either. > > I've found his obituary in the Grand County "Herald," but it was very > skimpy on details. Washington did have two brothers who also lived in Grant > County for a time (Wesley and Marshall), but they both died in the 1850s. > > Any ideas????? > > Thanks so much. > > Susan > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Ron, my ancestors were married on 8/10/1870...I guess they went to the Preacher instead of the preacher going to them. When I was in High School (60's), kids went to Galena to get married because there was no 3 day waiting period like Iowa had.

That's funny Helen, my parents lived in Grant Co. and got married in Galena because my Mother was only 18 yo. I guess. Ron from Platteville in Vista, CA

Since Grant County borders Jo Daviess County, Ill- might want to check there. I have seen some Ellis's, but I don't remember a Washington. My ancestors lived in Galena, Jo Daviess County, Ill, but got married in Grant County Wisconsin. Good Luck!! Helen

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/lEC.2ACE/288.2.2.1 Message Board Post: I think the question you posed is a possibility; but I'm not far enough along in my research and documentation to comment for sure. Sorry it's taken me a while to reply. My computer has been infected by a virus and it's take a while to get it all restored. I'm not completely back in shape yet.

Susan, Yes, fiction becomes fact quite often. I have had the same problem myself on other lines. That is why I only use on-line "personal" submissions as clues, but never as fact. I'll use the clues to point me in the direction of where I might find some facts to back them up in source documents. I had the case of finding some information on a FTM World Family Tree disk. It said my Rachel (Unknown) McGahen was the daughter of a Thomas Henry Smith. How wonderful. After 20+ years of searching I finally had her surname and her father. Her father's name came from a deed filed in Sandusky Co., OH for land sold in Ontario, Canada. Unfortunately, no one could come up with this mystery deed. I ended up searching in Ontario land records and located her father's will. He was actually "Henry" Smith. Also found the Ontario filing of the Sandusky deed which confirmed everything. I finally did get ahold of that Thomas Henry Smith deed. Due to the bad (fancy) script, the submitter mistook "Whereas" for Thomas. "Whereas Henry Smith late of the town of Whitby, Home District...." Many other errors like turning 2 hundred acres of land into 2 "thousand", etc. But, anyone searching the FTM site will think the real name is Thomas Henry, owner of 2,000 acres of land in Canada. Oh well. Dave Taft

At 03:55 PM 6/2/02 -0500, David W. Taft wrote: >But, anyone searching the FTM site will think the real name is Thomas Henry, >owner of 2,000 acres of land in Canada. > >Oh well. Indeed. On this same "Joseph Ellis" ... I've had several people tell me that Washington's father is named "James Ellis." In a printed transcription of the 1850 census, there is a James Ellis living near Washington and his brother. Because there was a JOSEPH Ellis living near Washington back in 1840 in Virginia, I went to the microfilm to confirm this James. It's not James. It's Joseph written shorthand. So ... along with the Joseph Ellis/Mary Rooney muddle, people now think Washington's father was JAMES. The joy of genealogy ... Susan

At 01:15 PM 6/2/02 -0700, Mary Thiele Fobian wrote: >Found the following information at familysearch.com (it was submitted by >Samuel Boylan, 46201 Antoine Dr, Macomb, MI 48044): >And this Washington's parents are listed as: > >Joseph Ellis Compact Disc #5 Pin #1127161 >Birth: 1775 Place: Georgia >Spouse: Mary Rooney Disc #5 Pin #1127160 >Marriage: 24 Nov 1806 Place: Frederick Co., MD > >Mary Rooney Compact Disc #5 Pin #1127160 >Birth: 1770 Place: Maryland Oh, this is horrible. This is published by familysearch??? This information is from a theory I had almost thirty years ago. Correspondence that I had with one Ellis researcher was shared ... and shared ... and shared until it got to someone who decided that my theory (that Joseph Ellis and Mary Rooney were Washington's parents) was fact. Now ... everyone on this line has grabbed this "fact" and no one searches for the truth anymore. Can you tell this has left me not a little bit perturbed???? Susan

Found the following information at familysearch.com (it was submitted by Samuel Boylan, 46201 Antoine Dr, Macomb, MI 48044): Washington Ellis Compact Disc #5 Pin #1127169 Sex: M Birth: 14 Apr 1807 Place: Virginia Death: 7 May 1890 Place: Potosi, WI Father: Joseph Ellis Disc #5 Pin #1127161 Mother: Mary Rooney Disc #5 Pin #1127160 Marriage(s): Spouse: Elizabeth Blankenship Disc #5 Pin #1127170 Marriage: 18 Apr 1833 Place: Wythe Co., Virginia Spouse: Agnes Smith Disc #5 Pin #1127178 Marriage: 19 Dec 1855 Place: Dyersville, IA And this Washington's parents are listed as: Joseph Ellis Compact Disc #5 Pin #1127161 Birth: 1775 Place: Georgia Spouse: Mary Rooney Disc #5 Pin #1127160 Marriage: 24 Nov 1806 Place: Frederick Co., MD Mary Rooney Compact Disc #5 Pin #1127160 Birth: 1770 Place: Maryland Good luck!!! At 12:25 PM 6/2/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Anyone have any suggestions for me? I am at a huge DeadEnd with one of my >ancestors. > >His name was Washington ELLIS and he lived a good long time (1807 to 1890) >and had plenty of children (seventeen) so one would think I could find >enough information on him to get back another generation. I have found him >in the census in 1840 through 1880 (from 1850 through 1880, he was in Grant >County), I have found both his marriage records (in 1833 to Elizabeth >Blankenship and 1855 to Agnes Smith Cox) but so far, nothing that will >point me in the direction of his parents' names. I've asked Grant County >for a death record (7 Mar 1890) and a probate record, but they could find >nothing. I've also inquired of Lafayette County AND Dubuque, IA. Nothing. >Nothing in the Wisconsin state archives either. > >I've found his obituary in the Grand County "Herald," but it was very >skimpy on details. Washington did have two brothers who also lived in Grant >County for a time (Wesley and Marshall), but they both died in the 1850s. > >Any ideas????? > >Thanks so much. > >Susan > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ============= Mary Thiele Fobian Independent Writer/Editor Associate Editor, Reunions Magazine Pacific Grove, CA

Anyone have any suggestions for me? I am at a huge DeadEnd with one of my ancestors. His name was Washington ELLIS and he lived a good long time (1807 to 1890) and had plenty of children (seventeen) so one would think I could find enough information on him to get back another generation. I have found him in the census in 1840 through 1880 (from 1850 through 1880, he was in Grant County), I have found both his marriage records (in 1833 to Elizabeth Blankenship and 1855 to Agnes Smith Cox) but so far, nothing that will point me in the direction of his parents' names. I've asked Grant County for a death record (7 Mar 1890) and a probate record, but they could find nothing. I've also inquired of Lafayette County AND Dubuque, IA. Nothing. Nothing in the Wisconsin state archives either. I've found his obituary in the Grand County "Herald," but it was very skimpy on details. Washington did have two brothers who also lived in Grant County for a time (Wesley and Marshall), but they both died in the 1850s. Any ideas????? Thanks so much. Susan

In my family, I have an Anthony Schmitz married to Maria Anna McGirk in Grant Co., Potosi on 02/08/1887. Maria is the daughter of Joseph McGirk and Anna L. Winslow. Could this be related to your Schmitz? Thanks Barbara Young Las Vegas, NV BYoung128@aol.com

Well, it appears that I'm guilty of not reading far enough. I apologize to Aleise for having thought she was replying to the Board message. I hadn't scrolled down far enough to see that it was Mary's List post that she was responding to. Thanks to Mary for waking me up........again, I apologize, Aleise. Mari WIGRANT List Admin At 04:45 PM 5/31/02 , Mari wrote: >Aleise.... et all.......... > >The post for which you are responding is a gatewayed post from the Grant >County Message Boards. You can identify these posts by noting the initial >text at the beginning of the posts. >This particular one was: > >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Classification: Query > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/lEC.2ACE/382.1.1.1 > >(the actual post is inserted here) > >You will need to click on the url listed above......which is also given in >the beginning of the post that is sent to the WIGRANT mailing list. That >will take you to the particular board, where you need to respond. Posting >a response to the list will not get to the board poster. > >Thanks! >Mari >WIGRANT List Admin > > >At 02:38 PM 5/31/02 , Aleise Oyen wrote: >>I have Vesperman's in my family line, and would be happy to share with >>anyone >>who is seeking information. Just let me know what you are looking for and >>dates. >> >>I do know that some of Conrad Vesperman's children married children of >>Christian >>Vesperman III. >> >>Christian Vesperman III - Father-Christian Vesperman, Jr b. in Gifforn, >>Proviance of Hanover, Germany on 20 Sep 1830, d. 16 Feb 1909 at S. Lancaster >>Twp, Grant, WI. >>Mother-Carolina Breckmann, b.13 Jul 1837 in Heippeldmoldt, Germany, d.March >>1897 at Potosi Twp, Grant Co., WI. They are buried at British Hollow >>Cemetery, Potosi, WI. >> >>Christian Vesperman Jr is the son of Christian Vesperman and Dorotea____. >> >>Aleise Oyen >>aoyen@pcii.net >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Mary Thiele Fobian" <metaphor@mbay.net> >>To: <WIGRANT-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 1:42 PM >>Subject: [WIGRANT] VESPERMAN burials in Grant County (05/2002) >> >> >> > If anyone has additional information, please get in touch. >> > >> > >> > Grant County VESPERMAN Burials >> > >> > **VESPERMAN as surname at time of death:******************** >> > >> > Vesperman Ada (Hoehn) 1891-1991 Hillside South Lancaster >> > >> > Vesperman Adolph 1883-1944 Hillside South Lancaster >> > >> > Vesperman Alvin 1889-1979 Hillside South Lancaster >> > >> > Vesperman Clarence R. 1893-1984 Hillside South Lancaster >> > >> > Vesperman Delpha Elizabeth "Rusty" (Hore) 1913-1970 Hillside South >>Lancaster <snipped>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/lEC.2ACE/382.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I have Vesperman's in my family line, and would be happy to share with anyone who is seeking information. Just let me know what you are looking for and dates. I do know that some of Conrad Vesperman's children married children of Christian Vesperman III. Christian Vesperman III - Father-Christian Vesperman, Jr b. in Gifforn, Proviance of Hanover, Germany on 20 Sep 1830, d. 16 Feb 1909 at S. Lancaster Twp, Grant, WI. Mother-Carolina Breckmann, b.13 Jul 1837 in Heippeldmoldt, Germany, d.March 1897 at Potosi Twp, Grant Co., WI. They are buried at British Hollow Cemetery, Potosi, WI. Christian Vesperman Jr is the son of Christian Vesperman and Dorotea____. Aleise Oyen aoyen@pcii.net

Aleise.... et all.......... The post for which you are responding is a gatewayed post from the Grant County Message Boards. You can identify these posts by noting the initial text at the beginning of the posts. This particular one was: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/lEC.2ACE/382.1.1.1 (the actual post is inserted here) You will need to click on the url listed above......which is also given in the beginning of the post that is sent to the WIGRANT mailing list. That will take you to the particular board, where you need to respond. Posting a response to the list will not get to the board poster. Thanks! Mari WIGRANT List Admin At 02:38 PM 5/31/02 , Aleise Oyen wrote: >I have Vesperman's in my family line, and would be happy to share with >anyone >who is seeking information. Just let me know what you are looking for and >dates. > >I do know that some of Conrad Vesperman's children married children of >Christian >Vesperman III. > >Christian Vesperman III - Father-Christian Vesperman, Jr b. in Gifforn, >Proviance of Hanover, Germany on 20 Sep 1830, d. 16 Feb 1909 at S. Lancaster >Twp, Grant, WI. >Mother-Carolina Breckmann, b.13 Jul 1837 in Heippeldmoldt, Germany, d.March >1897 at Potosi Twp, Grant Co., WI. They are buried at British Hollow >Cemetery, Potosi, WI. > >Christian Vesperman Jr is the son of Christian Vesperman and Dorotea____. > >Aleise Oyen >aoyen@pcii.net > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mary Thiele Fobian" <metaphor@mbay.net> >To: <WIGRANT-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 1:42 PM >Subject: [WIGRANT] VESPERMAN burials in Grant County (05/2002) > > > > If anyone has additional information, please get in touch. > > > > > > Grant County VESPERMAN Burials > > > > **VESPERMAN as surname at time of death:******************** > > > > Vesperman Ada (Hoehn) 1891-1991 Hillside South Lancaster > > > > Vesperman Adolph 1883-1944 Hillside South Lancaster > > > > Vesperman Alvin 1889-1979 Hillside South Lancaster > > > > Vesperman Clarence R. 1893-1984 Hillside South Lancaster > > > > Vesperman Delpha Elizabeth "Rusty" (Hore) 1913-1970 Hillside South >Lancaster > > > > Vesperman Doris Ray 1914-2001 Hillside South Lancaster > > > > Vesperman Edward C. 1881-1976 Hillside South Lancaster > > > > Vesperman Edward L. 1888-1963 Hillside South Lancaster > > > > Vesperman Gerald 1933-1994 Hillside South Lancaster > > > > Vesperman INFANT 1909-1909 Bloomington-Tafton Bloomington > > > > Vesperman James Thomas 1944-1978 Hillside South Lancaster > > > > Vesperman Johan Conrad 1850-1903 Hillside South Lancaster > > > > Vesperman John C. 1884-1960 Hillside South Lancaster > > > > Vesperman Julia (Schultz) 1889-1997 Hillside South Lancaster > > > > Vesperman Kenneth 1907-1997 Hillside South Lancaster > > > > Vesperman Louis O. 1887-1948 Hillside South Lancaster > > > > Vesperman Maria Margretha "Mary" (Napp) 1852-1931 Hillside South Lancaster > > > > Vesperman Mattie (Vesperman) 1882-1976 Hillside South Lancaster > > > > Vesperman Mildred "Millie" (Vesperman) 1886-1972 Hillside South Lancaster > > > > Vesperman Nellie (Cox) 1906-1950 Hillside South Lancaster > > > > Vesperman Nellie (Jeide) 1886-1971 Hillside South Lancaster > > > > Vesperman Ralph Henry 1917-1986 Hillside South Lancaster > > > > Vesperman Rose (Vesperman) 1889-1995 Hillside South Lancaster > > > > Vesperman William 1891-1985 Hillside South Lancaster > > > > > > **VESPERMAN as maiden name:*********************************** > > > > Sandleback Marie (Vesperman) 1911-2001 Hillside South Lancaster > > > > Wepking Clara (Vesperman) 1879-1975 Hillside South Lancaster > > > > Wepking Emma (Vesperman) 1876-1949 Hillside South Lancaster > > > > ============= > > Mary Thiele Fobian > > Independent Writer/Editor > > Associate Editor, Reunions Magazine > > Pacific Grove, CA > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Regarding your Schmitz research, my grandmother, Catherine Morgan/Margan was married the first time to a Schmitz from Grant County. Could this be a relative of yours? She later married my grandfather, Anton Martin Larson. Kristine Larson Ritter

I have Vesperman's in my family line, and would be happy to share with anyone who is seeking information. Just let me know what you are looking for and dates. I do know that some of Conrad Vesperman's children married children of Christian Vesperman III. Christian Vesperman III - Father-Christian Vesperman, Jr b. in Gifforn, Proviance of Hanover, Germany on 20 Sep 1830, d. 16 Feb 1909 at S. Lancaster Twp, Grant, WI. Mother-Carolina Breckmann, b.13 Jul 1837 in Heippeldmoldt, Germany, d.March 1897 at Potosi Twp, Grant Co., WI. They are buried at British Hollow Cemetery, Potosi, WI. Christian Vesperman Jr is the son of Christian Vesperman and Dorotea____. Aleise Oyen aoyen@pcii.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Thiele Fobian" <metaphor@mbay.net> To: <WIGRANT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 1:42 PM Subject: [WIGRANT] VESPERMAN burials in Grant County (05/2002) > If anyone has additional information, please get in touch. > > > Grant County VESPERMAN Burials > > **VESPERMAN as surname at time of death:******************** > > Vesperman Ada (Hoehn) 1891-1991 Hillside South Lancaster > > Vesperman Adolph 1883-1944 Hillside South Lancaster > > Vesperman Alvin 1889-1979 Hillside South Lancaster > > Vesperman Clarence R. 1893-1984 Hillside South Lancaster > > Vesperman Delpha Elizabeth "Rusty" (Hore) 1913-1970 Hillside South Lancaster > > Vesperman Doris Ray 1914-2001 Hillside South Lancaster > > Vesperman Edward C. 1881-1976 Hillside South Lancaster > > Vesperman Edward L. 1888-1963 Hillside South Lancaster > > Vesperman Gerald 1933-1994 Hillside South Lancaster > > Vesperman INFANT 1909-1909 Bloomington-Tafton Bloomington > > Vesperman James Thomas 1944-1978 Hillside South Lancaster > > Vesperman Johan Conrad 1850-1903 Hillside South Lancaster > > Vesperman John C. 1884-1960 Hillside South Lancaster > > Vesperman Julia (Schultz) 1889-1997 Hillside South Lancaster > > Vesperman Kenneth 1907-1997 Hillside South Lancaster > > Vesperman Louis O. 1887-1948 Hillside South Lancaster > > Vesperman Maria Margretha "Mary" (Napp) 1852-1931 Hillside South Lancaster > > Vesperman Mattie (Vesperman) 1882-1976 Hillside South Lancaster > > Vesperman Mildred "Millie" (Vesperman) 1886-1972 Hillside South Lancaster > > Vesperman Nellie (Cox) 1906-1950 Hillside South Lancaster > > Vesperman Nellie (Jeide) 1886-1971 Hillside South Lancaster > > Vesperman Ralph Henry 1917-1986 Hillside South Lancaster > > Vesperman Rose (Vesperman) 1889-1995 Hillside South Lancaster > > Vesperman William 1891-1985 Hillside South Lancaster > > > **VESPERMAN as maiden name:*********************************** > > Sandleback Marie (Vesperman) 1911-2001 Hillside South Lancaster > > Wepking Clara (Vesperman) 1879-1975 Hillside South Lancaster > > Wepking Emma (Vesperman) 1876-1949 Hillside South Lancaster > > ============= > Mary Thiele Fobian > Independent Writer/Editor > Associate Editor, Reunions Magazine > Pacific Grove, CA > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >