The discussion centered on the topic of page identification and linking, in reference to frames. WI welcomed it's own wonderful volunteers (as SC, I am allowed to gush, <g>), but also visitors from NY, ND, CO, CA, SD, WA, SD, WA, GA, AL, TX, IL, OK, OH, MS, MA, and ME and many other states, so if I missed a state, please forgive me. I very much want to thank Holly Timm, and Joy Fisher, State Coordinator of NY and SD respectively, for leading this discussion. After some visiting and dare I wonder.. cow pies that melt in your mouth and not in your hands, Joy started with introducing a demo page. This page was used to illustrate a frame. http://www.rootsweb.com/~sdgenweb/test/test.html Frames are where one part of the page changes and other part(s) don't. The URL that remains in our browser, is *not* the page that we are actually visiting. Visitors are unable to bookmark, the actual site they are on. A frame places our page(s) *inside* another page, so that its heading is at the top, and [our] URL's do not show. Holly introduced the concept of breakout. Breakout, taking the page out of the frame so it shows by itself. Now on, to the HTML stuff .. TARGET="_top" Thank my lucky stars, someone asked, What does the TARGET="TOP" do? TARGET="_top" breaks you out of frames, if your pages been framed by someone else. http://www.rootsweb.com/~seky/sampleheader.html demonstrates it is clear when someone links to the site from elsewhere. Discussion ensued on notices to be placed on pages to identify not only copyright issues, but also encouraging that our page URL's be prominent, along with identification of the USGenWeb Project affiliation. It was emphasized that breakouts and statements are good but labeling every page will also catch people coming from search engines and various link lists that link direct to the data pages. Meta Tags -- Meta Tags are only used for search engine identification and such, doesn't have anything to do with frames. Meta tags have a reload function that can automatically load or reload a page. Meta Tags help some search engines index your site for keywords. Different HTML editors were discussed and the global search and replace features were mentioned for ease in updating pages. Arachnopilia, Front Page, NoteTab Pro, and Homesite - http://www.allaire.com/download Server Side Include files were mentioned. What is server-side include?? <Tina raises her hand.. !!>.. Server side include is a file that that is called into other files.., in other words do it once, change it once. Gotta love it <g>. That is my take. For a more techie talk on Server Side Includes, come to #htmlhelp Sunday (6:30 AM or 11:30 AM Eastern time) We were reminded to use care when linking to other sites, and to always credit appropriately, the source of the site and the material. Joy, jfisher@ucla.edu and Holly, hollyft@bright.net , will supply anyone who wants -- instructions and code for dealing with frames and protecting our pages. Tina Vickery SC WIGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~wigenweb