Oooo! Shari! Lovely use of the lake applet! Marsha Shari Milks wrote: > > I happen to like what I have on my page...I think it's beautiful! > If anyone wants to look, its at: > http://members.xoom.com/2manitowoc > > If people can't figure out if's a Wisconsin page, they soon find out. No logos please!! That's for people who like waving flags and titles, and for companies with something to sell. None of these apply to me. Shari

Well I have read the post on this so far and just sat back and took it in. I see nothing wrong with a logo, now choice of colors, that maybe a differrent game, (of course if you have one in fucia & teal - I'll take it). But the one thing I am wondering is this Are we going to vote on having state bylaws and how we will permit the voting to be, I mean 2/3s of the CCs voting as counting as the majority or 2/3s of all the CCs?? To me the way we can voice our own opinions is great, but if we aren't going to have much say in the finmal decisions, (maybe someone is gone for two weeks or so ) then why waste the time even discussing anything. This is strictly my opinion and not those of any of my cost CCs. Thank you, JT

WI-00002 - Designation of Logo for the WIGenWeb Project I remember receiving an e-mail a few months ago informing me that I must have the WiGenWeb logo AND the USGenWeb logo on my main page or I would be removed from being the host of the project .... Sure don't want to see us going that route again. On this page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wigenweb/volunteer.html Under Page Guidelines, it now says: "5. You must display the USGenWeb Project Logo and the WIGenWeb Project Logo prominently on your page. " What's a guideline and what's a requirement? How are these guidelines different from bylaws? Where do we find the bylaws? We need to make all this MUCH clearer. And whatever the rules/bylaws/requirements/guidelines are, they should be posted in ONE place where we all know where to look and we should use consistent terminology. And let's make them as simple as possible - we don't want to lose any volunteers over this. A banner or logo that we all post for our county pages is fine but the volunteer should be able to use their creativity in designing the pages and not be forced into using certain colors, etc. Linda Schwartz http://www.rootsweb.com/~widunn/ http://www.rootsweb.com/`widougla/

At 01:03 PM 3/11/00 EST, WIGenWebProject@aol.com wrote: <snip> >The motions: > >WI-00001 - "Amendment of the current guidelines/bylaws: I >make a motion that WIGenWeb amends the current guidelines (By-Laws), to >require a majority vote for modification, whether it be an addition or >deletion." > >Question to the group.. (I always have questions..) What constitutes >majority? (i.e... majority of all CC's and Co-CC's within the WIGenWeb >Project, or majority of CC's and Co-CC's voting.) While most majorities may go for majority of those voting, I believe that in this instance it should be a majority, of a yet to be determined %, of all the unique CCs and Co-CCs. Tim Stowell, ASC - Richland County CC, Crawford County Co-CC >WI-00002 - Designation of Logo for the WIGenWeb Project: "I make a motion >that the WIGenWeb project designate a color series of logos or banners to >identify the WIGenWeb Project, and such design will be mandatory on the >MAIN page of each WI County belonging to WIGenWeb." > >I know that there are many variations to the theme visible on the project >pages. We have many creative people among us! I would like all those >interested in submitting logos to forward them to me. I will make them >available online for all to view. > >So everybody.. lets discuss! And yes, discussion can take place with >graphic programs open.. <g> > >Tina

Didn't we have this same discussion some months ago -- and come to the conclusion that it's not *required* but recommended. Why are we re-hashing this? Do we really want the fight to start all over again? Marsha Kelly & the Flock wrote: > > I can't see how a specific logo would squelch anyone's > individuality/creativity (in its entirety anyway). Offering logos in a few > different colors actually helps to prevent that monotony... i.e., if you > want a pink scheme, you can put a pink logo on it, or something blue, > neutral, etc. (okay... hopefully not PINK) > > With the existing logos, frankly... all 3 color choices clash miserably with > the "colonial blue" of the WIGenWeb page although I am suffering with it > quietly. > > Kelly > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jan & Glenn [mailto:cristian@netonecom.net] > > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 4:19 PM > > To: WIGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [WIGEN-L] Re: Logo or No.... > > > > > > While I agree that we need to all have something that identifies > > us with the > > WIGenWeb - don't you think that you are taking away all my individuality > > MAK???? > > > > Same format, logos and a couple of color choices??? Geez - like one sheep > > following the others and we don't like cow butt's? Guess we need > > to change > > it to a sheeps behind!!! What's the next step - perfectly > > synchronized raw > > data pages??? > > > > Just my two cents worth... > > > > Jan

I happen to like what I have on my page...I think it's beautiful! If anyone wants to look, its at: http://members.xoom.com/2manitowoc If people can't figure out if's a Wisconsin page, they soon find out. No logos please!! That's for people who like waving flags and titles, and for companies with something to sell. None of these apply to me. Shari

I can't see how a specific logo would squelch anyone's individuality/creativity (in its entirety anyway). Offering logos in a few different colors actually helps to prevent that monotony... i.e., if you want a pink scheme, you can put a pink logo on it, or something blue, neutral, etc. (okay... hopefully not PINK) With the existing logos, frankly... all 3 color choices clash miserably with the "colonial blue" of the WIGenWeb page although I am suffering with it quietly. Kelly > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan & Glenn [mailto:cristian@netonecom.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 4:19 PM > To: WIGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WIGEN-L] Re: Logo or No.... > > > While I agree that we need to all have something that identifies > us with the > WIGenWeb - don't you think that you are taking away all my individuality > MAK???? > > Same format, logos and a couple of color choices??? Geez - like one sheep > following the others and we don't like cow butt's? Guess we need > to change > it to a sheeps behind!!! What's the next step - perfectly > synchronized raw > data pages??? > > Just my two cents worth... > > Jan > -----Original Message----- > From: WIGEN-D-request@rootsweb.com <WIGEN-D-request@rootsweb.com> > To: WIGEN-D@rootsweb.com <WIGEN-D@rootsweb.com> > Date: Saturday, March 11, 2000 1:29 PM > Subject: WIGEN-D Digest V00 #51 > > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > Visit the Ashland County WIGenWeb Project Pages > http://www.usgennet.org/~ahwiashl/index.html >

While I agree that we need to all have something that identifies us with the WIGenWeb - don't you think that you are taking away all my individuality MAK???? Same format, logos and a couple of color choices??? Geez - like one sheep following the others and we don't like cow butt's? Guess we need to change it to a sheeps behind!!! What's the next step - perfectly synchronized raw data pages??? Just my two cents worth... Jan -----Original Message----- From: WIGEN-D-request@rootsweb.com <WIGEN-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: WIGEN-D@rootsweb.com <WIGEN-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, March 11, 2000 1:29 PM Subject: WIGEN-D Digest V00 #51

Marsha wrote: Didn't we have this same discussion some months ago -- and come to the conclusion that it's not *required* but recommended. Marsha and all: I may be remembering incorrectly, but as I recall, the issue was beginning to be discussed when Vicki left, and was put on hold until Tina had time to settle in. There still seems to be questions regarding it and, as such I think it would benefit all to finally resolve the issue, yea or nay, once and for all. With it actually adopted into the guidelines, there would finally be no question, nor need to revisit the issue every so many months. And as long as there are questions, this will probably be the case. Debbie Barrett <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~wipierce/">Pierce County, WI USGenWeb</A>

I don't mind putting a simple logo on my page or pages linking to the WIGebWeb. Infact I put it on each of my pages along with the USGenWeb logo-I just feel it is helpful to the researchers who may not find any thing in my county and can go directly to other sites. I use the logos as a hyperlink. I don't feel it takes anything away from my pages, as it is a small logo. It does help identify which pages are with the WiGenWeb Project. Whatever is decided is fine with me, as I have chosen to use the logos. Thanks- Paula Waupaca CC ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Good morning all! First of all, let me say that I welcome the discussion of the guidelines/bylaws and the logo presence and requiredness (is that a word?... <g>) within the WIGenWeb Project and its pages. Secondly, I really like the "cow butt" graphic .. so.. don't "badger" me about it .. LOL! Seriously, though.. We have a group of very dedicated, hardworking individuals who are doing an awesome job of providing free genealogical information on-line for our visitors. With Marcia's motions (which I will number and title), and Debbie's second, I open the list and the Wednesday evening chat to the discussion of these issues. I realize that with these motions there will be a lot to be discussed and many questions will be raised. It is important for all to work together to address the questions. The motions: WI-00001 - "Amendment of the current guidelines/bylaws: I make a motion that WIGenWeb amends the current guidelines (By-Laws), to require a majority vote for modification, whether it be an addition or deletion." Question to the group.. (I always have questions..) What constitutes majority? (i.e... majority of all CC's and Co-CC's within the WIGenWeb Project, or majority of CC's and Co-CC's voting.) WI-00002 - Designation of Logo for the WIGenWeb Project: "I make a motion that the WIGenWeb project designate a color series of logos or banners to identify the WIGenWeb Project, and such design will be mandatory on the MAIN page of each WI County belonging to WIGenWeb." I know that there are many variations to the theme visible on the project pages. We have many creative people among us! I would like all those interested in submitting logos to forward them to me. I will make them available online for all to view. So everybody.. lets discuss! And yes, discussion can take place with graphic programs open.. <g> Tina

Hello all: I have to say that I echo several of Marcia's points in my thinking. We are part of an organization dedicated to bringing free genealogical material to the public, a very worthy, difficult and sometimes thankless job, and I am very proud of what we are accomplishing here. The WIGenWeb has a wonderful network of people who have selflessly given of themselves to help others and I think we should announce it to the world that we are a part of this effort. Individualism is the very core of people, as Americans, but I do agree that there should be one common thread binding us all together as an organization, whether that be a logo or banner. I have an official state logo on my main page, and although I can honestly say, it's not what I would have chosen, I think it is important that people know that my site is part of a much greater effort out there. I have been with the WIGenWeb project for nearly 2 1/2 years now. For most of that time I did the mushroom thing, but having started attending the chats on Wednesday night, I see now what I have been missing all that time. Together we have the opportunity to make something really great here. We have good involved people, and an SC more than willing to work with us and give us whatever assistance she can. So let's take advantage of it. So, Marcia, I second your motions and hope that all will join in the discussion. It's all our organization, let's all participate and be heard. Debbie Barrett <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~wipierce/">Pierce County, WI USGenWeb</A>

On the chat Wednesday night, several of us discussed whether or not a logo was required on our pages, and if so, what logo. If you check the page guidelines, you will see that it is discussed there (See number five.) http://www.rootsweb.com/~wigenweb/volunteer.html All us "old timers" remember it being discussed, but, while it was never formally voted on, we did a COW on the state one, and most of us put it up. Then we had a "contest" and voted it out and another one in. But, it was never mandatory to use. If you look at the USGenWEb site http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/statepage.html states, A state logo is optional. So this discussion sorta lead the way for another couple of issues... Should we have bylaws vice guidelines? Differences? Well, guidelines implies rules that are nice to comply with but not necessarily required. Bylaw is a more formal term, and most people would agree that bylaws have been voted on by the members, the majority has agreed to them, and compliance to the bylaws ARE required. For those of you who know me, I am not really into having a lot of rules and regulations, but I am for having guidelines or ByLaws that the CCs vote on and majority rules. Currently, we do have a set of guidelines that were published at the URL, and the majority probably agrees with and follows, but they were never voted on by the WI CCs. Second issue, if we have guidelines or bylaws and someone doesn't comply, how is it enforced? This really can't be addressed until we decide if we want bylaws or not. One type of enforcement could be suspending the pages until compliance. This is really very negative, as we deprive our researchers from the information just because some one can't follow the rules... Now, having said all of that, should we be required to have a state logo or not on our pages? I kinda look at it this way. I belong to the USMC, and have a logo, it is an eagle globe and anchor (EGA), all the other militaries in the world recognize it as the US MARINES ensignia, and don't question it's authority or it's legitamacy. It is a symbol of pride and respect for what I, as a voluntary member of that organization, stand for. Everything that represents the Marine Corps has the EGA so it is easily identified. So, you know where I am going with this (grin). In Wisconsin, and I have been to most sites, we have a half a dozen or so, WI Graphics. While some are nice and others are, well, not as nice (yes, I am bashing the cow butt again ha ha ha), for some reason we have allowed this highly eclectic look, mainly because the logo is NOT required, therefore, it leaves the CCs open to chose anything they want. I have had many compliments on my "new" look on my pages, as they all maintain the same color scheme and people feel "at home" and know where they are. Maybe we want to keep this ecletic look, but it should be brought to a vote once and for all, so that the CCs have a say and majority rules... Obviously, my preference would be ONE set of logos or banners with a professional look, with a differing set of colors, so if you have a PINK page or a GREEN page, or whatever color scheme, it matches... If people have ideas, they should submit them, the CCs look at it, discuss, and then PICK ONE or actually a "color" set of one. Personally, I happen to think having a banner across the top is awesome (I am not into cutesy logo type stuff - grin), as it can readily identify us as WIGenWeb... an example can be seen at this page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwood/WLHN/WoodCoWI/ or this http://www.rootsweb.com/~wigenweb/images/wisc.gif The "authorized" graphics, sorta do that different color scheme thingee, so check out the graphics at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wigenweb/graphics.html This is what I recommend. Voting procedures should be set and added to the current guidelines. Procedures can be very simple, or complicated. For our purposes, we can keep it simple and friendly. -First step: A good discussion on the topic, like we do on chat or on the list, so everyone has a chance to present their opinions. -Second step: After discussion, a motion is made. -Third step: Motion is seconded. -Fourth step: The SC gives the motion a number (ie WI-00001), calls for a vote and states when our ballots must be in by (this should be a set timeframe and most other states agree 2-3 weeks is adequate.) Some states do an open vote, where we post our YEA, NEA, or abstain to the mailing list. Others send a "ballot" to the SC and ASC, or an appointed committee. -Fifth step: Once the votes are in and the deadline is up, they are tallied, and announced. Majority rules and the bylaws are modified accordingly. Whew! I didn't mean to be a windbag or bossy, but it seems like a bunch of us want this and no one wants to step into the street to get ran over. SO, Having said that: I make a motion that WIGenWeb ammends the current guidelines (By-Laws), to require a majority vote for modification, whether it be an addition or deletion. Futhermore, I make a motion that the WIGenWeb project designate a color series of logos or banners to identify the WIGenWeb Project, and such design will be mandatory on the MAIN page of each WI County belonging to WIGenWeb. R/S Marcia Ann Kuehl CC for Wood and Portage County __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Stop by Bayfield County for the latest editions of the news: http://www.usgennet.org/~ahwibayf/contents.html >From John Griener: 3 March 1905 Bayfield County Press Capt. Pike on Bayfield's beginnings - excellent read!! >From Zoe Lappin (with permission from the Bayfield County Journal) Memories Column of 28 August 1941 Yesteryear Column of 11 December 1924 Ah! Memories - they are right - wish I could have been there too! Stop in and enjoy, Jan, Donna, John and Zoe Bayfield County

Not meaning to iritate anyone, and I did not mean to infer that I ever had any trouble with getting records from the NARA because I did not have trouble with them at all. I just wanted to let folks know that sometimes it is more than $10 for records. I have requested and received three sets of Civil War records. The prices were $50, $26, and $10. Just the facts. Rita

Hello everyone, There is some misinformation going around about a proposed increase in fees for military and pension records requested from the National Archives. Below, I have pasted a response by Jack Brissee (pres. of Wis. State Gen. Soc. and chair of the FGS Records Preservation and Access Committee) that gives the correct info. Please not that updates will be posted to the FGS site at <http://www.fgs.org>. Please copy and post his message to other lists where the incorrect information has been posted. Dawn M. Knauft, CGRS Coordinator, Dane Co. WiGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~widane WiSearch, Professional Genealogical Research http://www.wisearch.net >______________________________ >-------------------- >X-Message: #11 >Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:05:06 -0600 >From: "Jack Brissee" <jbrissee@earthlink.net> >To: APG-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <003201bf83b9$84d4f300$1c6afc9e@computer> >Subject: [APG] re: Cost of Military Records Going Up (NARA Statement) >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > >There have been postings on a number of mail lists recently about an >increase in the fees the National Archives and Records Administration >(NARA) charges for copies of compiled military service records and pension >records. While NARA is considering a change to the fee structure for these >documents, the information that has been posted is both premature and >somewhat inaccurate. The Records Preservation and Access Committee, a >joint endeavor of the Federation of Genealogical Societies and the >National Genealogical Society, has contacted NARA officials for >clarification. The following is the "official NARA statement" issued in >response to our inquiry: > >-Begin NARA Statement: The National Archives and Records Administration >(NARA) will be issuing a proposed rule within the next few weeks that will >revise fees for reproduction, including the "fixed-fee" orders in the NATF >80 series. The proposed rule will have a 60-day public comment period, >during which time we will actively seek the comments of the user community. >The proposed rule is presently undergoing internal government review. When >it is released for publication in the Federal Register, NARA will notify >the national genealogical organizations and post a copy of the proposed >rule on its web site. The message will include the exact URL and the >address for sending comments. -End NARA Statement- > >The Records Preservation and Access Committee will continue to monitor >this proposal, and will post relevant information on the Records >Preservation and Access pages of the Federation of Genealogical Societies' >Web site (http://www.fgs.org) when it is available. > >Please feel free to forward this posting to other mail lists on which the >original posting may have appeared. > >Jack Brissee Chair, FGS/NGS Records Preservation and Access Committee -------[end forwarded message] Czaplewska@aol.com wrote: >Hi all, >I just received this email this morning...has anyone else heard about this? >If it's true---and I have no reason to believe it's not---the Civil War >records are getting really pricey! >Anne >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- >--------------------------------------- >Date: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 2:43 PM > Subject: Nat'l Archives records COST GOING UP!!! > Dr. Robert (Bob) PLOWMAN of the Mid-Atlantic National Archives in > Philadelphia. Said on July 1, 2000, the cost of the Military Records > was going from $10.00 to $17.50 & the cost of the Pension Records from > $10.00 to $40.00 this is for the Revolutionary War, Civil War, etc. So > you may want to send for these records before the cost goes up!

Hi all, I just received this email this morning...has anyone else heard about this? If it's true---and I have no reason to believe it's not---the Civil War records are getting really pricey! Anne - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------- Date: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 2:43 PM Subject: Nat'l Archives records COST GOING UP!!! Dr. Robert (Bob) PLOWMAN of the Mid-Atlantic National Archives in Philadelphia. Said on July 1, 2000, the cost of the Military Records was going from $10.00 to $17.50 & the cost of the Pension Records from $10.00 to $40.00 this is for the Revolutionary War, Civil War, etc. So you may want to send for these records before the cost goes up!

Did you guys know you could look up copyrights online? I didn't know! http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/ Kelly Jensen-Mullins Wisconsin Archives Census http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/census/states/wisconsi/wisconsi.htm

This one will be an open discussion.. bring your ideas, resources, links, and even questions .. to share! WIGenWeb Project Meetings Place: IRC server: irc.rootsweb.com (6667) Room: #USGW-WI Time: 9 PM EST Wednesdays Tina

Would just like to take a moment to welcome Linda to the WIGenWeb Project. I know you'll enjoy it as much as I have! Debbie Barrett <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~wipierce/">Pierce County, WI USGenWeb</A>