In a message dated 6/21/00 11:49:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MrsGrinnin@aol.com writes: > Tina, Tim, Holly, do you have any input on what is going on? Might this not > be a good topic for tonight's IRC chat? It certainly can be a topic at chat, I encourage all to join in. WIGenWeb Project Meetings Place: IRC server: irc.rootsweb.com (6667) Room: #USGW-WI Time: 9 PM EST Wednesdays http://www.rootsweb.com/~wigenweb/irc-chat.html Tina

At 11:48 AM 6/21/00 -0400, MrsGrinnin@aol.com wrote: >Tina, Tim, Holly, do you have any input on what is going on? Might this not >be a good topic for tonight's IRC chat? I'll try to be there... might run a bit late though, got an html group meeting here at the house tonight. Holly (MaMaT)

Well that's an interesting bit of news and you bring up a very good question! I think ancestry.com should give all CC's a subscription to their site. : ) Melissa *who grumbles, "yet another link I'll have to put on my page"* >From: MrsGrinnin@aol.com >To: WIGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [WIGEN-L] News from Rootsweb (to any Board Member) >Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:48:21 EDT > >Hi: > >It might be too early to be asking this, but I can't help but wonder what >the >latest news from Rootsweb regarding its merger with Ancestry.com is going >to >mean to free genealogy on the Internet. I just can't see a pay-for >service, >looking to their bottom line not eventually flexing their muscles looking >for >ways to make a profit from this. > >Tina, Tim, Holly, do you have any input on what is going on? Might this >not >be a good topic for tonight's IRC chat? > >Debbie Barrett >http://www.rootsweb.com/~wipierce/ >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywashin/ > > >==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== >Visit the Door County WIGenWeb Project Pages >http://www.rootsweb.com/~wigenweb/door/ > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Thanks everyone for the input on the questions I asked about the paid researchers on the county sites. Paula WaupacaCC http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaupac/index.htm ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Hi: It might be too early to be asking this, but I can't help but wonder what the latest news from Rootsweb regarding its merger with Ancestry.com is going to mean to free genealogy on the Internet. I just can't see a pay-for service, looking to their bottom line not eventually flexing their muscles looking for ways to make a profit from this. Tina, Tim, Holly, do you have any input on what is going on? Might this not be a good topic for tonight's IRC chat? Debbie Barrett http://www.rootsweb.com/~wipierce/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywashin/

In a message dated 6/20/00 7:55:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, treinhardt@iosys.net writes: > 3. Perhaps you could SELL advertising space to those who do this for profit. > (to pay for photocopying data for your 'free' pages.) To all, {From the by-laws} http://www.usgenweb.org/official/bylaws.html The USGenWeb Project is an organized group of volunteers working to create an online center for genealogical research by linking every county in the United States. The purpose of this organization shall be to gather genealogical and historical information for free online access by researchers Solicitation of funds for personal gain is inappropriate. This is defined as the direct appeal on the home page of any of the websites comprising The USGenWeb Project for funding to do research, to pay for server space, to do look-ups, etc. A website may, however, acknowledge any entities who may host their website (i.e., provide server space at no cost) or may include a link to a coordinator's personal page on which they offer research services for reimbursement. The acknowledgment may include a link to the hosting entity's website. A website may list research materials and/or services which may be for sale/hire, either by the coordinator, a genealogy society, or others. Such a listing shall not be on the main web page for the site, but may be linked from the main web page. It may be appropriate to include a disclaimer that the coordinator and The USGenWeb Project do not guarantee the contents of such research materials and/or the expertise of any professional researchers. Tina

Mea culpa, Mea culpa as usual, Tina is on her toes <g> There may be no right or wrong for the idea, but there is one NO-NO! Thanks for the alertness to my hastily scribbled note. I hadn't intended to go astray of the by-laws; just chalk this up to another of my many "senior moments" and bring on my rocking chair!!! While it does not totally answer the question as to whether or not you can/should/could list paid researchers, it sure clarifies things for me. You can link to websites of people who search for a fee. A listing of researchers in the area (free or for pay) could possibly be maintained, but of course, GET THEIR PERMISSION to post their name and address, if it is your intention to provide research assistance for people who reside out-of-state. Stepping down now, heading for my cane and rocking chair, and bottle of.........geritol! (do they still make that stuff???) Twacy Fond duh lack county WIGenWebProject@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/20/00 7:55:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > treinhardt@iosys.net writes: > > > 3. Perhaps you could SELL advertising space to those who do this for profit. > > (to pay for photocopying data for your 'free' pages.) > > To all, > > {From the by-laws} http://www.usgenweb.org/official/bylaws.html > > The USGenWeb Project is an organized group of volunteers working to > create an online center for genealogical research by linking every > county in the United States. The purpose of this organization shall be > to gather genealogical and historical information for free online > access by researchers > > Solicitation of funds for personal gain is inappropriate. This is > defined as the direct appeal on the home page of any of the websites > comprising The USGenWeb Project for funding to do research, to pay for > server space, to do look-ups, etc. A website may, however, acknowledge > any entities who may host their website (i.e., provide server space at > no cost) or may include a link to a coordinator's personal page on > which they offer research services for reimbursement. The > acknowledgment may include a link to the hosting entity's website. A > website may list research materials and/or services which may be for > sale/hire, either by the coordinator, a genealogy society, or others. > Such a listing shall not be on the main web page for the site, but may > be linked from the main web page. It may be appropriate to include a > disclaimer that the coordinator and The USGenWeb Project do not > guarantee the contents of such research materials and/or the expertise > of any professional researchers. > > Tina > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > Visit the Dane County WIGenWeb Project Pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~widane/

Since you asked......... Here is my two-cents worth about paid researchers on websites. 1. There is no right or wrong here. 2. Paid researchers DO perform a service, especially since WE can't do it all, even though we would like to think that we can. We want to offer all options that are available. 3. Perhaps you could SELL advertising space to those who do this for profit. (to pay for photocopying data for your 'free' pages.) 4. Posting paid researchers sends a subliminal message of endorsement of their work, even if you post a disclaimer. 5. If you post one name, you will be bombarded with others wanting to put their name up, and whose name goes first, etc etc etc etc. Is it worth it??? 6. If I were a paid researcher, I would have my own website, and wouldn't need a name on the county site. Honestly, I have thought long and hard about this, (all of two minutes) and feel that I actually would charge a fee to place a researcher's name on my site. (Those that live by the sword.........) If they are truly professional, they would not have a problem with that, and if they have no problem paying, then I would gladly accept their money to defray my photocopying costs. Tracy Reinhardt Fond du Lac Co Paula Vaughan wrote: > I have a question for the other County Coordinators. I some times get > requests for referrals to researchers (for hire), people asking me if I know > someone in my county's area that will do extensive research and that they > are glad to pay for this. > > Well I usally do as much of what I can for free, refer them to someone else > that can help them free and then if there is too much to research or a great > deal of time involved I refer them to a few of the people in the Waupaca > Area Genealogical Society for further help. > > What my question is-do any of you have these area researchers (paid > researchers) listed on your websites? I know we are trying to get as much > information out there for FREE! (And I do this in every way I can) But I am > wondering if this is also a service that I should have on my website (not > the homepage). I would really like to hear what the rest of you are doing > about this and what your thoughts are on it? > > Thanks > Paula > WaupacaCC > http;//www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaupac/index.htm > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > Visit the Fond Du Lac County WIGenWeb Project Pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wifonddu/index.htm

Rather than fool around with something or someone I know nothing about - I put a link on my pages (or at least some) to the Board of Certified Genealogists. IMO - its about as reputable as you can get....... (And am glad someone mentioned it - I got the link from one of my pages and it is outdated - so need to go back and correct. <G>) Current Link: http://www.bcgcertification.org/rost_ix.html And I'll slink back and correct the ones I have up. <g> Jan Ashland, Bayfield, Waukesha, Waushara Visit Jansdigs for History & Genealogy - New & Under Construction http://www.jansdigs.com/ Check Out Internet Pathways in History http://www.ipih.org/

What my question is-do any of you have these area researchers (paid researchers) listed on your websites? Thanks Paula WaupacaCC Paula, Recently I have also received several similar requests and have started to work up a page of guidelines on what to look for and expect in hiring a family researcher. Just simple points to ask about, and to give the reader a basic understanding of what to expect as most have no idea at all. I also hope to give a brief explanation on the various most commonly found accreditations. I am still undecided as to actually listing researchers to contact as I have no way of knowing their qualification or offerings. If I eventually do, it will be with a very CLEAR disclaimer stating that this is only meant to help in making contact between parties and is definitely not an endorsement of anyone listed. Any transactions agreed upon remain strictly between the parties involved in the contact. Since researchers offer differing services at varying prices, and set their own individual schedules, it is really not possible to give consistently reliable specific information. I, too, am interested in what others think. Rita - Oconto County http://www.rootsweb.com/~wioconto/

I have a question for the other County Coordinators. I some times get requests for referrals to researchers (for hire), people asking me if I know someone in my county's area that will do extensive research and that they are glad to pay for this. Well I usally do as much of what I can for free, refer them to someone else that can help them free and then if there is too much to research or a great deal of time involved I refer them to a few of the people in the Waupaca Area Genealogical Society for further help. What my question is-do any of you have these area researchers (paid researchers) listed on your websites? I know we are trying to get as much information out there for FREE! (And I do this in every way I can) But I am wondering if this is also a service that I should have on my website (not the homepage). I would really like to hear what the rest of you are doing about this and what your thoughts are on it? Thanks Paula WaupacaCC http;//www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaupac/index.htm ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Melissa, The seach engines I have are searchable at county and national... The code can be taken from: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/wi/wood/wood.htm Just change the info for your county and state.... If you need help, let me know. Marie, Can you tell me what information this book has, I would like to buy it if it is a historial in nature, as it has many of the counties I need, can you send details or URL to me P4 (that means to me, not the list). Thanks. R/S MAK ===== ===== TheStorm http://www.rootsweb.com/TheStorm MAK = "Mar sea ah Ann Keel" ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Shelley's comment about getting her next project in line for 2005 was really inspirational! I am only backlogged to 2002 (grin), ha ha ha... so I had better start looking for MORE stuff! If you haven't seen some of the latest Marathon stuff, well, it's great, especially since some of my Portage guys seem to overlap there!!! Second, I have really been feeling ill the last two months, and haven't been doing much of anything on the internet, so it isn't that I don't still love ya all, and my regulars have been extremely concerned, as their inputs are backing up!!! hee hee hee, at least they asked if I was OKAY first and to please let me know when they could start resending... I really enjoy working with all of you here at WI... Catching up (only 125 emails to go). R/S MAK --- WIGEN-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: ===== ===== TheStorm http://www.rootsweb.com/TheStorm MAK = "Mar sea ah Ann Keel" ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

I was following the thread on why are there so many (places to post info) and where should I put it, and wanted to add a few comments. First, most people don't understand that USGenConnect is affilicated with Rootsweb. Therefore, the engine search is at a national and county level with Rootsweb, NOT USGenWeb. So when you use the USGenConnect search engines, you only get information submitted at rootsweb. USGenWeb does have it's own search engine, and it can be programed at the county and national level also. And when you use their search engine, you only get information from USGenWeb. I use this simple example. There are three libraries within my area, one is county and two are cities. They have books, magazines and other resrouces, etc, and different people work at them and they serve some of the same clienteel... Now, which one do you use? I would say, all three for differing resources... Those of us who had accounts at rootsweb grumbled enough about having to do "extra" work, that the USGenConnect Boards were created. So, if you have your USGenWeb counties at rootsweb, it makes sense to make use of the USGenConnect, rather than post it on your pages separately (MY OPINION and MY PREFERENCE), but you are not required to do so. Some people don't have their accounts at rootsweb and may not "trust" rootsweb, so don't use the USGenConnect Boards, and use USGenWeb. There are also several other organizations which can be used... like ALHN and WLHN, smaller and normally concentrate on history... Now, the Archives are part of the USGenWeb program. If you put your information in at USGenConnect and for some reason it goes away, then USGenWeb wouldn't have it in their Archives. And vice versa. Therefore, some of us put it in more than one place, and sometimes in differing formats. I normally ask people to type it in an email, and cut and paste it to the USGenConnect Board. Whew, hope I didn't confuse anyone. R/S MAK __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Hi Fellow CC's, Wow, I've been reading all of the communication back and forth over the weekend, and I have to say, I like it! Questions are good, suggestions are good, and the general attitude of helping each other is really wonderful to see. I haven't seen any messages in the "redundancy" vein today, but would like to add my 2¢ worth. I am guilty of redundancy. I post most of my data both on my counties' main webpages and also in their archives. I also like to send a link to the Special Projects that Rootsweb hosts, such as the Tombstone Transcription project. The reason why I do this is that some people only browse through the 'pretty' county pages, while others only search through the text files because they only want the 'meat' of the material. Still others are only aware of the Special Projects websites. So, by posting them to every area that these records can possibly be posted at, they WILL be seen by those who otherwise might not find them. It is my way of trying to help those that can't get to the area to do the research themselves, and also, since I can't get to the county seats of all of my counties either, by plastering as much info out there as I can, maybe something will be the key to what that far-away researcher needs. I also send alot of this info out on my mail lists in the form of "daily news". So, I guess I really AM guilty of being redundant -- but no one has complained yet! Having said that, Tina, I have another cemetery that's been added to the Burnett Co. Archives that I would also like to donate to the Tombstone Transcription Project. This one is for the Davidson Island Cemetery, a history of one of the earliest cemeteries in Burnett Co., and one that is little known. Most of the graves are unmarked, but the story is very interesting. The URL is ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/wi/burnett/cemeteries/davidisl.txt Thanks for the opportunity to get the info out there! -- Nance mailto:nsampson@spacestar.net

Thanks to all of you for the response. I have gotten something that a person wanted posted - which I think is good material. Thanks Melissa - as you can see - I am one of those persons who like to forge ahead and only read the rules if I have to. That is after I can't figure out how to do it any other way!!! (And I have read all the rules - way back - who remembers.) <g> All I want to do is link from the front page to a publications available and do think it best to state that the USGW, WIGenWeb and myself are in no way endorsing any materials. Thanks again, Jan Visit Jansdigs for History & Genealogy - New & Under Construction http://www.jansdigs.com/ Check Out Internet Pathways in History http://www.ipih.org/

Here is what it says in the bylaws: "...A website may list research materials and/or services which may be for sale/hire, either by the coordinator, a genealogy society, or others. Such a listing shall not be on the main web page for the site, but may be linked from the main web page. It may be appropriate to include a disclaimer that the coordinator and The USGenWeb Project do not guarantee the contents of such research materials and/or the expertise of any professional researchers. " So it seems that so long as it's not on the main page than it's OK. Melissa >From: "Jan & Glenn" <cristian@netonecom.net> >To: WIGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [WIGEN-L] Question??? >Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 21:06:35 -0400 > >Have never done anything like this - but can some one tell me if it is okay >if I list publications for sale that are available, and cover county >vitals, >etc. > >If so - would we need some sort of disclaimer on the page????? > > > > >Visit Jansdigs for History & Genealogy - New & Under Construction >http://www.jansdigs.com/ >Check Out Internet Pathways in History >http://www.ipih.org/ > > >==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== >Visit the Dane County WIGenWeb Project Pages >http://www.rootsweb.com/~widane/ > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

YES, my point exactly! Why add to people's confusion? >From: "Shari Milks" <skeeter@peoplepc.com> >Reply-To: "Shari Milks" <skeeter@peoplepc.com> >To: WIGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [WIGEN-L] Archives >Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 16:11:33 -0500 > >I have everything on my county page. I find it less confusing for the >researcher if everything is in one spot. I put obits with the tombstone >inscriptions whenever possible, family information and pictures in the >marriages. I feel the fewer lists especially ones that are scattered here >and there, the easier it is for them to find what they are looking for. >It's a "one stop shop".<G> >Shari Milks, Manitowoc county > > >==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== >Visit the Door County WIGenWeb Project Pages >http://www.rootsweb.com/~wigenweb/door/ > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

I have my own search engine for my county page. I think it's great and it's makes searching the county page much much easier, but that's not what I was talking about. I mean something that would search ALL the county pages at once. You still have to be at my county page to use the search engine as it is now. Someone who has no clue their relatives migrated to such and such county will have no idea to look there. The way the bot for the search engine I use (and probably the one others use) takes your web page address and searches all files below that main thread you enter. What I'm trying to get across here is that if rootsweb made their own search engine (which they already have for the archives and other separate projects) and made the main stem be rootsweb.com, the bot would index everything below that. So everything below rootsweb.com, like rootsweb.com/~wigen.. /~wikewaun.. /~wirusk all down the line along with all the files below the county stems would be indexed. Each county would not have to be entered separate. The only problems I see with something like this is that I think rootsweb is selling web space to non-genealogy related sites. Also the people who don't have their county pages on a rootsweb server wouldn't be included for obvious reasons. On the plus side though, it would also index those personal sites that people have that ARE genealogy related. It could even be done on a state level, but a national level would be much better. Ah well, I suppose nothing will ever come of this anyway and it'll just be my responsibility to include the other projects more in my county page. (which is a good idea to begin with) but I still think we could come up with a better use of time. Melissa >From: "Kelly & the Flock" <kellyj@snowcrest.net> >Reply-To: <kellyj@snowcrest.net> >To: WIGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [WIGEN-L] Late Night Thinking >Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:21:12 -0700 > > >Actually Melissa, you can do your own search engine. I found this (Maybe >Tim >found this) and it works terrifically for my Monroe County, OH site... >which >does have a lot of data on it. > >http://www.picosearch.com/ > >This will index all of your pages, and then your pages are completely >searchable. It is also unobstrusive and doesn't require huge ads or any >ugly >things on your page <grin>. What you ask sounds simple, but the search >engine would have to be individually set up for each county. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Paula, We have a book on sale at the Polk Co., Wi Museum ($55.00) which is a remake of a 1888 history by W.L. Folsum called "50 years in the Northwest" which is a 3" book listing all of the counties of Northwest Wisconsin and part of Minnesota "i.e." Washington Co., Pine Co. Chisago Co. Etc. Is this the same book? I also have the book from 1909 published by the Stillwater paper by A. B. Easton. called the " History of St. Croix Valley" which is a 2 volume set. Listing not only the founding fathers of the communities but the bios of just regular "folk" , farmers, merchants, and neighbors which gives more of a sense of community and the genealogy of the neighborhood. Marie - CC Polk Co. Paula Vaughan wrote: > For those of you who had asked what other counties were in the History of > Northern Wisconsin-I checked the book at the library today and here are the > counties covered in the book. Some of the counties have alot of > details/information and others have very little. > > Adams, Ashland, Barron, Bayfield, Brown, Buffalo, Burnett, Calumet, > Chippewa, Clark, Door, Douglas, Dunn, EuClaire, Green Lake, Juneau, Jackson, > Kewaunee, Langlade, Lincoln, LaCrosse, Manitowac, Marathon, Marinette, > Marquette, Monroe, Oconto, Outagamie, Pepin, Pierce, Polk, Portage, Price, > Shawano, St. Croix, Sheboygan, Taylor, Trempealeau, Waupaca, Winnebago and > Wood. > > Paula > WaupacaCC > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaupac/index.htm > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > Visit the Dodge County WIGenWeb Project Pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~widodge/