This is a question asked by Anne. 4) Being a VERY independent person, I like the CC's ability to control their own project sites with minimum rules/supervision -- standard logo, links to US GenWeb, etc. are acceptable ... What minimum will you suggest that each site will be required to have or not have? We have requirements set forth by both the US GenWeb project and the WI GenWeb project. I believe these are: * All web sites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb Project logo on the home page. * Every page must have a pointer to the Wisconsin State Page. * Every county must provide a query page. * Every page must provide some kind of resource information for county. * The WIGenWeb Project has designated a color series of logos or banners to identify the WIGenWeb Project. The design is mandatory on the main page of each WI County belonging to WIGenWeb * Listings of research materials and/or services which may be for sale/hire shall not be on the main web page for the site * Perform periodic reviews of local-level project web sites to ensure compliance with The USGenWeb Project/XXGenWeb Project established guidelines/standards. * Removal of any links to web sites which fail to meet The USGenWeb Project/XXGenWeb Project established guidelines/standards. One of the first things we should do would be to review these requirements, and make sure we understand what they are saying. We should verify we want to continue with all existing WI GenWeb project requirements, or we should make changes where necessary. I'd like to try to get us going (as a state) on getting these things established ASAP. I want to state it would be the County Coordinators who would decide what would be required of all WI GenWeb sites; it wouldn't be me. I'd be there to make sure things agreed upon by the CCs were actually done. I would like to see simple modifications to make our web sites user-friendly to all researchers, including people with disabilities, as an increasingly large percentage of our researchers are homebound or elderly. Our sites shouldn't be so high-tech that people with older machines and browsers can't view them correctly. Conversely, our sites shouldn't be so out-of-date that they are optimal for 14K connection speeds. We need to continuously improve our sites, always keeping the users of our sites in the forefront of whatever we do. Static sites are a thing of the past, and our users have the right to expect our sites will continue to grow as our project grows. I personally have a lot of ideas on what I'd like to see our Wisconsin sites look like. However, when it came time to vote (as we would), I would get only one vote. I don't see the SC position as a dictatorship. It won't work that way. However, we won't grow if we don't have leadership. I would like to lead people forward in a direction that helps us to produce a collection of sites we can all be proud of. -Marie

Voting for the WI Run Off Election will begin on October 14th at 8 AM CST and end October 24th at 8 AM CST. You will recieve your password and the URL soon. Bev. USGenWeb EC

I think something like a 2-year term with no term limits would be appropriate. I also believe this is something that should only be decided by the CCs, as a group. Marie At 07:03 PM 10/26/2003, you wrote: >Marie, > >What are your thoughts on the term and/or term limit of the WIGenWeb >Project State Coordinator? > >Tina > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "R. Marie Mickalunas" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:48 AM >Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Error in judgement. > > > > Yes, I think guidelines are something a state should have. > > > > Article XII, Section 5 of the US GenWeb project bylaws states: State > > projects are empowered to develop/adopt any additional rules/bylaws and > > guidelines, as appropriate, for their state so long as they do not >conflict > > with these bylaws. > > > > To me, this implies the national level has recognized the state levels >will > > need guidelines to operate effectively. > > > > > > > > >R. Marie, from reading your campaign page, I think I know what your > > >thoughts are about state guidelines, but would you mind synopsizing (is > > >that a word?) your thoughts and give us all a brief overview of how you > > >feel about guidelines? > > > > > >Are guideleines something a state should have? > > > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > > Celebrate Wisconsin! > > Visit the Walworth County WIGenWeb Project Pages > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwalwor/ > > > > >==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== >Celebrate Wisconsin! >Visit the Waupaca County WIGenWeb Project Pages >http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaupac/index.htm

This is a question asked by Anne. 3) If you had won the election but also realized that the majority of WI CC's did not vote for you, but rather for a change, would you be open to a re-vote? And what would you offer as a "standard" for voting policies in the future to avoid this type of instability? I would be uncomfortable trying to lead a group of people when I knew that the majority of them did not choose to have me as their leader. I would prefer a re-vote in this instance. I think it is time for us to establish "standards" for voting policies. I would prefer that someone elected to a position be the person chosen by the majority (>50%) of the people. In our case that would mean someone would have to get at least 27 votes. (52 CCs / 2 = 26 26 + 1 = 27) Elections being as they are, not everyone will vote, and I don't think anyone will ever get 27 votes in one of our elections. Therefore, I would think the next best thing would be that someone got the majority of the votes cast in the election. For example if 12 people vote, a person would have to get 7 or more votes to win. (12 /2 = 6 6 + 1 = 7) Until this would happen, I'd hope we'd just keep on voting! -Marie

This is a question asked by Anne. 2) The Mailing List seems to be the official form of communication for WIGenWeb. Can a CC request to be removed from it or separated from it, or is it a mandatory requirement if you are part of the WIGenWeb Project? Is participation required for everyone in the WIGenWeb Project? As I read things in the bylaws, it appears all County Coordinators are required to join the mailing list for Wisconsin County Coordinators. There is nothing in our rules that states you can't be removed or separated from the list after you have joined it. However some people may feel that remaining on the list during your tenure as a CC is implied. Participation on the list does not appear to be required. How the list is to be used should be discussed and decided by the CCs. I do think we need to have a way to communicate, and to me, the list seems the obvious medium. One thing we need to recognize is that we can't force people to read the emails that are sent to the list. I think we need to find out why the participation on the list has dwindled to a trickle, and we need to find out what the CCs want to see on the list. For example: * Do we want the list to be a social communication tool? * Do we want the list used only for official announcements pertaining to the WI GenWeb project? * Do we want the list used to only communicate items that pertain to the WI GenWeb CCs, as a group? * Do we want the list used to tell other CCs what we have done with our sites? I think these are questions that need to be answered so we can determine the purpose of the list. Once we have agreed on the purpose of the list, we need to set guidelines for publishing to the list. Simple guidelines need to be agreed upon so that we communicate on the list in a professional, civilized manner at all times. Alienating other CCs is something we should strive to avoid at all times. -Marie

This question was asked by Anne. 1) What are the GenWeb policies that pertain to how an ASC is put in place? Is it appointed or elected? and for how long? ANSWER: The bylaws only say this much (from what I can find).. Section 1. ..., each state shall have an Assistant State Coordinator or other support team in place that can take charge in case the State Coordinator becomes unavailable for a period of 30 days, unless there are extenuating circumstances. From what I can tell, there are no GenWeb policies that pertain to how an ASC is put in place or for how long. If I were to become the WI GenWeb State Coordinator, I would seriously look at having a support team that would work WITH me to address the many issues we have to deal with. More questions/answers to follow shortly... -Marie

Yes please. Ellen's addy is: [email protected] Bev. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina S Vickery" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Run off election > Thanks Bev. Shall I subscribe Ellen to the WIGEN list for the period you > are gone? > > Thanks, > Tina > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bev" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:44 AM > Subject: [WIGEN-L] Run off election > > > > Your request for a Run Off election between Tina and R. Marie has been > turned into Larry. He will contact either myself or Ellen with dates and > times that he will beable to proceed with it. > > We will post this information on the List as soon as we get it. > > Bev > > USGenWeb EC > > > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > > Celebrate Wisconsin! > > Visit the Vilas County WIGenWeb Project Pages > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wivernon/ > > > > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > Celebrate Wisconsin! > Visit the Trempealeau County WIGenWeb Project Pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~witrempe/ > >

Thanks for the suggestion, Marie. My purpose in the trip is to keep my husband away from his cell phone and computer (he has agreed to leave it home) -- he needs a rest from work so I may have to steer clear of the Internet cafes or he will be tempted to "just check in with his office". ;-) Linda PS - Oddly, my posting has never reached my mailbox. Beginning to wonder if I am having an ISP problem today. At 12:54 PM 10/9/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Linda: > >If you are going to western Europe you'll have no trouble at all getting >on the Internet. There are Internet cafes all over the place. I used >them frequently when I was on my last trip. > >Also, for anyone else who is intersted, most U.S. public libraries have >Internet access. You can usually just ask the librarian and they can help >you get logged on. > >Enjoy your trip, Linda! > >R. Marie > >On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 07:14:07 -0400 > Linda Schwartz <[email protected]> wrote: >>I will be out of the country beginning Oct. 18 and may or may not be able >>to access a computer during that time. I would like to suggest spreading >>the election over more than one week - like 10 days maybe to allow those >>of us away from home more opportunity to participate. Thanks. >>Linda >>Dunn & Douglas CC

Linda: If you are going to western Europe you'll have no trouble at all getting on the Internet. There are Internet cafes all over the place. I used them frequently when I was on my last trip. Also, for anyone else who is intersted, most U.S. public libraries have Internet access. You can usually just ask the librarian and they can help you get logged on. Enjoy your trip, Linda! R. Marie On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 07:14:07 -0400 Linda Schwartz <[email protected]> wrote: >I will be out of the country beginning Oct. 18 and may or >may not be able to access a computer during that time. I >would like to suggest spreading the election over more >than one week - like 10 days maybe to allow those of us >away from home more opportunity to participate. Thanks. >Linda >Dunn & Douglas CC > >At 09:12 PM 10/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: >>Hi all, >> >>The consensus is to hold a runoff election. With this >>note, I am >>requesting the Election Committee to conduct a run-off >>election for >>the position of WIGenWeb Project State Coordinator >>between R. Marie >>Mickalunas and myself. The majority vote getter (of >>those who vote) >>will be seated as SC. In the event of a tie -- We will >>explore our >>options. >> >>I encourage you all to vote. >> >>Tina > > > >==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== >Celebrate Wisconsin! >Visit the Trempealeau County WIGenWeb Project Pages >http://www.rootsweb.com/~witrempe/ >

Your request for a Run Off election between Tina and R. Marie has been turned into Larry. He will contact either myself or Ellen with dates and times that he will beable to proceed with it. We will post this information on the List as soon as we get it. Bev USGenWeb EC

Yes, I think guidelines are something a state should have. Article XII, Section 5 of the US GenWeb project bylaws states: State projects are empowered to develop/adopt any additional rules/bylaws and guidelines, as appropriate, for their state so long as they do not conflict with these bylaws. To me, this implies the national level has recognized the state levels will need guidelines to operate effectively. >R. Marie, from reading your campaign page, I think I know what your >thoughts are about state guidelines, but would you mind synopsizing (is >that a word?) your thoughts and give us all a brief overview of how you >feel about guidelines? > >Are guideleines something a state should have?

add my name to people not being around for a while I will be in Albuquerque from the 12th to the 25th. Not as wet as Hawaii, but full of hot air and corn mazes this week. will try to get to a computer when I am there, but not sure if I will find time. tracy reinhardt

I will be out of the country beginning Oct. 18 and may or may not be able to access a computer during that time. I would like to suggest spreading the election over more than one week - like 10 days maybe to allow those of us away from home more opportunity to participate. Thanks. Linda Dunn & Douglas CC At 09:12 PM 10/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Hi all, > >The consensus is to hold a runoff election. With this note, I am >requesting the Election Committee to conduct a run-off election for >the position of WIGenWeb Project State Coordinator between R. Marie >Mickalunas and myself. The majority vote getter (of those who vote) >will be seated as SC. In the event of a tie -- We will explore our >options. > >I encourage you all to vote. > >Tina

I had the same question, Debie, a few weeks (months?) ago when the bylaws committee was discussing local project guidelines. I wanted to know what was in place for WI and found out that very little had been discussed in enough detail to be considered a guideline. R. Marie, from reading your campaign page, I think I know what your thoughts are about state guidelines, but would you mind synopsizing (is that a word?) your thoughts and give us all a brief overview of how you feel about guidelines? Are guideleines something a state should have? Does anyone have any ideas on how we can get more people to participate in the decision making processes? Ellen- >From: Debie + Joe <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Error in judgement. >Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:58:30 -0500 > >Tina, > > Once again my thanks for your prompt answer. That was what I was >asking for but had a hard time finding where it was located, if it existed. >I guess I wasn't looking in the right place. The ~wigenweb/volunteer.html >was the one I was looking for and when I couldn't locate it, then I had >wondered if anyone was keeping track of this. > > Again, my many thanks for letting me know where it is, > > Debie > >At 10:30 PM 10/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: >>Debie, the guidelines we currently have in place are at >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~wigenweb/volunteer.html and the USGenWeb >>Project Bylaws are at http://www.usgenweb.org/official/bylaws.html. >>Ellen and Marion (they both serve on the Bylaw Revision Committee) can >>both interject the National Bylaws implications as we go along, and I >>hope they will. >> >>It is my understanding that USGenWeb National by-laws trump (for lack >>of a better word) any XXGenWeb guidelines, so as we discuss these >>issues we should be mindful of both the current ones, and the ones >>that are being *proposed* The BRC News I forward are draft and far >>from being presented to the USGenWeb Project, but, they are a good >>gauge as we discuss. >> >>Tina >> > > > > >==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== >Celebrate Wisconsin! >Visit the Taylor County WIGenWeb Project Pages >http://www.rootsweb.com/~witaylor/ > _________________________________________________________________ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com

I would love to go to Hawaii or out of the country, but I have out of country guests visiting the 22nd and staying through the 29th. I am also Maid of Honor in a wedding on the 25th. Besides the general preparing for that, I have been working long hours at work. My company just acquired the assets of another web development company, so we have been busy keeping an additional 75+ websites online and recieving their mail, as well as, keeping those new servers from crashing every other minute. And the billing oi vey! I should be around for any election in that time period, but please someone poke me if they don't hear from me. Have a great time Shelley and Linda! Ellen- >From: "Jan Cortez" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] I will be gone >Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:27:00 -0400 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <[email protected]> > > I asked about absentee ballots, but I will apparently have to try to >access a > > computer on vacation. I wanted to also let you know that I will be gone >from > > Oct. 13 - Oct 25. Sunny Hawaii, here I come! > > > > Shelley >************REPLY SEPARATOR***************** > >Well, the solution to that is, we *all* go with you on your vacation to >sunny Hawaii, then when *we* all get back, we can have the SC election. ><grin> > >Have a great trip, Shelley. > >Jan > > > >==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== >Celebrate Wisconsin! >Visit the Waushara County WIGenWeb Project Pages >http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwausha/wsctweb.html > _________________________________________________________________ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com

Tina is right, they are far from being presented to the USGenWeb. The bylaws are only proposed first draft. After the committee goes through the entire set of bylaws we will start over to make sure things are consistent as well as discuss and interject any of the comments and questions that anyone had allong the way. So please do let us know your comments and questions as they are presented or as you reread them. The proposals are here: http://home.mchsi.com/~sagitta56/ Ellen- >From: "Tina S Vickery" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Error in judgement. >Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:30:34 -0400 > >Debie, the guidelines we currently have in place are at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~wigenweb/volunteer.html and the USGenWeb >Project Bylaws are at http://www.usgenweb.org/official/bylaws.html. >Ellen and Marion (they both serve on the Bylaw Revision Committee) can >both interject the National Bylaws implications as we go along, and I >hope they will. > >It is my understanding that USGenWeb National by-laws trump (for lack >of a better word) any XXGenWeb guidelines, so as we discuss these >issues we should be mindful of both the current ones, and the ones >that are being *proposed* The BRC News I forward are draft and far >from being presented to the USGenWeb Project, but, they are a good >gauge as we discuss. > >Tina > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Debie + Joe" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:17 PM >Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Error in judgement. > > > > Tina, > > > > Thanks for clearing the cobwebs out of my head. I had thought >we > > had talked about this, but I must be way off with my dates, but I >couldn't > > remember is anything was ever decided as to when this would go into >effect > > or if a term limit was placed.. As I said, no one ever stayed very long, > > besides you, to have to worry about it. > > > > Can I ask a goofey question? Is there anyone who is kind of > > keeping track of the state Bylaws and what has become "law for >Wisconsin" > > and what was never decided or are we relying on the mailing list >archives? > > > > Just wondering, Thanks for the response Tina, > > > > Debie > > > > At 09:49 PM 10/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > >There is no term limit in WI. There has never been to the best of my > > >knowledge. The discussion has come up over the years of my tenure, but >the > > >discussion never resulted in a decision or implementation into our > > >guidelines. My thought is that the term of SC should be elected, and >they > > >should serve for a term of 2 years. I also feel that there should be >no > > >term limit. > > > > > >This is a good discussion to begin up whomever is elected in the >upcoming > > >election. > > > > > >Tina > > > > > > > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > > Celebrate Wisconsin! > > Visit the Washington County WIGenWeb Project Pages > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwashin/ > > > > >==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== >Celebrate Wisconsin! >Visit the Vilas County WIGenWeb Project Pages >http://www.rootsweb.com/~wivernon/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get McAfee virus scanning and cleaning of incoming attachments. Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es

Thanks Bev -- I hope your time away is to be a fun one! Tina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bev" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Run-off election requested. > Tina: > I am leaving on Friday and will be back late on Monday. Any questions > during this time period need to be directed to Ellen. > I will contact Larry tomorrow and ask him to contact me with dates and times > that he will beable to proceed with the run off. > Bev. > USGenWeb EC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tina S Vickery" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:12 PM > Subject: [WIGEN-L] Run-off election requested. > > > > Hi all, > > > > The consensus is to hold a runoff election. With this note, I am > > requesting the Election Committee to conduct a run-off election for > > the position of WIGenWeb Project State Coordinator between R. Marie > > Mickalunas and myself. The majority vote getter (of those who vote) > > will be seated as SC. In the event of a tie -- We will explore our > > options. > > > > I encourage you all to vote. > > > > Tina > > > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > > Celebrate Wisconsin! > > Visit the Vilas County WIGenWeb Project Pages > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wivernon/ > > > > > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > Celebrate Wisconsin! > Visit the Vilas County WIGenWeb Project Pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wivernon/ >

Debie, the guidelines we currently have in place are at http://www.rootsweb.com/~wigenweb/volunteer.html and the USGenWeb Project Bylaws are at http://www.usgenweb.org/official/bylaws.html. Ellen and Marion (they both serve on the Bylaw Revision Committee) can both interject the National Bylaws implications as we go along, and I hope they will. It is my understanding that USGenWeb National by-laws trump (for lack of a better word) any XXGenWeb guidelines, so as we discuss these issues we should be mindful of both the current ones, and the ones that are being *proposed* The BRC News I forward are draft and far from being presented to the USGenWeb Project, but, they are a good gauge as we discuss. Tina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debie + Joe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Error in judgement. > Tina, > > Thanks for clearing the cobwebs out of my head. I had thought we > had talked about this, but I must be way off with my dates, but I couldn't > remember is anything was ever decided as to when this would go into effect > or if a term limit was placed.. As I said, no one ever stayed very long, > besides you, to have to worry about it. > > Can I ask a goofey question? Is there anyone who is kind of > keeping track of the state Bylaws and what has become "law for Wisconsin" > and what was never decided or are we relying on the mailing list archives? > > Just wondering, Thanks for the response Tina, > > Debie > > At 09:49 PM 10/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >There is no term limit in WI. There has never been to the best of my > >knowledge. The discussion has come up over the years of my tenure, but the > >discussion never resulted in a decision or implementation into our > >guidelines. My thought is that the term of SC should be elected, and they > >should serve for a term of 2 years. I also feel that there should be no > >term limit. > > > >This is a good discussion to begin up whomever is elected in the upcoming > >election. > > > >Tina > > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > Celebrate Wisconsin! > Visit the Washington County WIGenWeb Project Pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwashin/ >

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > I asked about absentee ballots, but I will apparently have to try to access a > computer on vacation. I wanted to also let you know that I will be gone from > Oct. 13 - Oct 25. Sunny Hawaii, here I come! > > Shelley ************REPLY SEPARATOR***************** Well, the solution to that is, we *all* go with you on your vacation to sunny Hawaii, then when *we* all get back, we can have the SC election. <grin> Have a great trip, Shelley. Jan

----- Original Message ----- From: "Debie + Joe" <[email protected]> > Can I ask a goofey question? Is there anyone who is kind of > keeping track of the state Bylaws and what has become "law for Wisconsin" > and what was never decided or are we relying on the mailing list archives? > > Just wondering, Thanks for the response Tina, > > Debie **************REPLY SEPARATOR*************** I don't believe that Wisconsin has ever set down any guidelines or bylaws. This would be a good thing to have. Perhaps whoever is our next SC, can begin a committee to see that we have guidelines. After formulation, they would then be approved by vote of the CC's. Jan