Dear Fellow CC's, I need some advice, and maybe some encouragement. Last night I typed an obit for a Clark Co Civil War veteran from a 1911 newspaper onto the Clark Co messageboard. Nothing unusual there, I like to help surrounding counties' boards and cc's as you all know. This morning I was alerted that the Clark Co mailing list administrator had seen fit to block my post from the automatic relay to the mailing list but had instead copied and pasted my contribution into a mailing list message as though she herself had typed it. (Complete with my typos, and if you would like a copy of the mailing list message just contact me) I've been taught it is dishonest to claim someone else's work as your own and it is right to give credit where it is due. So I wrote to the mailing list admin and rootsweb help desk about the apparent 'oversight'. The Clark Co mailing list moderator has not responded to my message sent last night. I asked to have this 'oversight' corrected with another message to the mailing list listing myself as the original contributor or that the item be deleted from the mailing list archives. I also wrote to rootsweb's help desk with my concerns and asked how to avoid this problem in the future. The response from rootsweb has me wondering if I, and all of us, are maybe being taken advantage of and played as fools. Here is the response: "The obit was published in 1911, so is now public domain. It can be appropriated by anyone and attribution is not required. Discovery does not entitle you or anyone to ownership (copyright)." Rootsweb thus far refuses to become involved in correcting this "mistake" of the mailing list moderator not naming the original contributor. The tone of the messages from helpdesk have not been friendly or helpful. So far I have been told about copyright law and they suggest I ask to have the Moody obit deleted form the Clark Co messageboard...which would conveniently remove evidence that I had been the original contributor. I asked if this copyright/public domain opinion meant rootsweb/ancestry/myfamily.com (whomever!) could come along and take what is on our websites and messageboards. Note that I have no objection if Sally Smith finds Grandpa's obit but I do have a problem with others harvesting our work for their own financial gain now or down the road. No one at the helpdesk has addressed my questions about the ownership/copyright of what we have worked and paid to compile on our GenWeb sites. Now I understand that USGenWeb is supposedly independent, yet somewhat dependent of rootsweb. But if rootsweb says if the item is in public domain, "it can be appropriated by anyone" just where does that leave all of us volunteer coordinators who have done the work and paid for computers, books, cd's, photocopies, etc.? To me the silence on this question says more than words can, and it sounds as though the only copyright we have is the arrangement of the information on our websites, graphics, etc; the information itself is "free for the taking." Suggestions and comments are welcome whether sent privately or to the list. Thanks all, Joan Adams and Marquette CC's

lol caught me, I didn't ask that quite right did I .. <ducking> Thanks Rita, I will read the history tomorrow. Tina ----- Original Message ----- From: "RMN" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Cattle Brand Mark Registrations > I don't think they asked about the owner's markings. Humans have been known to > change their original markings over their lifetime. <G> But the names of the > owners and their farms were required, there was also a fee. By the way, many > farms had names, such as "Butternut Farm" (my grandpa's), "Sunny View Farm" > (Great grandpa's), "Back Acres Farm" (Great uncle's - he was a little > different), etc. > > I think this is where the history of registration is, but not sure: > http://www.legis.state.wi.us/rsb/code/register/reg544a.pdf > Happy Valentines Day > Rita > > > "Tina S. Vickery" wrote: > > > Rita, were the owners recorded with the markings compiled and recorded at > > the town, county, state level? > > Thanks for giving the history! > > > > Tina > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "RMN" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:52 PM > > Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Cattle Brand Mark Registrations > > > > > I am not aware of branding, at least in farm cattle. It certainly may > > > have been done. But cattle in WI were marked in a number of other ways. > > > Some farmers made a certain shaped "chip" along the edge of the ear of > > > cows, swine and sheep. It was always on the same ear and at the same > > > spot on the ear. This was early (as early as the 1770's in Brown County, > > > at "La Baye") when there were not many cattle per farmer, unlike the > > > large cattle ranches later on out west and south west. The color marking > > > of cows and milk oxen were later drawn on the paper outline of each side > > > of a calf and sent in to register that animal to the owner. There were > > > no photographs then so this was used. These color spots do not change in > > > shape, pattern or color (usually black, "red" or brown) during the life > > > of the animal. Still later, metal ear clips with the registration > > > numbers stamped on them were used. Tatoos were sometimes used on the > > > inside lip and sometimes photographs, as early as the early 1900's. > > > > > > "Tina S. Vickery" wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > Tonight, a page was shared with me. It got me to > > > > thinking ... You all know that is dangerous, > > > > especially given my penchant for cows <VBG> ! > > > > > > > > but.. does the State of WI have records similar to > > > > what this page presents? > > > > > > > > "During the 19th Century and early 20th Century, many > > > > farmers let their cattle graze in unfenced areas. > > > > Branding was used to identify the owners of the > > > > cattle" > > > > > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~msissaq2/cattle.html > > > > > > > > Tina > > > > > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > Celebrate Wisconsin! > > > > Visit the Vilas County WIGenWeb Project Pages > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wivilas/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > > > Celebrate Wisconsin! > > > Visit the Waushara County WIGenWeb Project Pages > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwausha/wsctweb.html > > > Visit the Wood County WIGenWeb Project Pages > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwood/ > > > > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > > Celebrate Wisconsin! > > Visit the Washington County WIGenWeb Project Pages > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwashin/ > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > Celebrate Wisconsin! > Visit the Waukesha County WIGenWeb Project Pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaukes/indice.html >

What did the wild cow look like, the ones our cattle are descendants of, and where did they live? How far back was their domestication? Any wild cows left? Wondering. Rita "Tina S. Vickery" wrote: > LOL, I thought with marriages was udderly I don't know what <g>. > > Tina > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RMN" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:07 PM > Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Cattle Brand Mark Registrations > > > I'll have to check on that one. Maybe I should should look under > marriages? > > :0D > > Rita > > > > "Tina S. Vickery" wrote: > > > > > Rita, were the owners recorded with the markings compiled and recorded > at > > > the town, county, state level? > > > Thanks for giving the history! > > > > > > Tina > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "RMN" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:52 PM > > > Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Cattle Brand Mark Registrations > > > > > > > I am not aware of branding, at least in farm cattle. It certainly may > > > > have been done. But cattle in WI were marked in a number of other > ways. > > > > Some farmers made a certain shaped "chip" along the edge of the ear of > > > > cows, swine and sheep. It was always on the same ear and at the same > > > > spot on the ear. This was early (as early as the 1770's in Brown > County, > > > > at "La Baye") when there were not many cattle per farmer, unlike the > > > > large cattle ranches later on out west and south west. The color > marking > > > > of cows and milk oxen were later drawn on the paper outline of each > side > > > > of a calf and sent in to register that animal to the owner. There were > > > > no photographs then so this was used. These color spots do not change > in > > > > shape, pattern or color (usually black, "red" or brown) during the > life > > > > of the animal. Still later, metal ear clips with the registration > > > > numbers stamped on them were used. Tatoos were sometimes used on the > > > > inside lip and sometimes photographs, as early as the early 1900's. > > > > > > > > "Tina S. Vickery" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > Tonight, a page was shared with me. It got me to > > > > > thinking ... You all know that is dangerous, > > > > > especially given my penchant for cows <VBG> ! > > > > > > > > > > but.. does the State of WI have records similar to > > > > > what this page presents? > > > > > > > > > > "During the 19th Century and early 20th Century, many > > > > > farmers let their cattle graze in unfenced areas. > > > > > Branding was used to identify the owners of the > > > > > cattle" > > > > > > > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~msissaq2/cattle.html > > > > > > > > > > Tina > > > > > > > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > > Celebrate Wisconsin! > > > > > Visit the Vilas County WIGenWeb Project Pages > > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wivilas/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > Celebrate Wisconsin! > > > > Visit the Waushara County WIGenWeb Project Pages > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwausha/wsctweb.html > > > > Visit the Wood County WIGenWeb Project Pages > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwood/ > > > > > > > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > > > Celebrate Wisconsin! > > > Visit the Washington County WIGenWeb Project Pages > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwashin/ > > > > > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > > Celebrate Wisconsin! > > Visit the Waukesha County WIGenWeb Project Pages > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaukes/indice.html > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > Celebrate Wisconsin! > Visit the Washburn County WIGenWeb Project Pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwashbu/

I don't think they asked about the owner's markings. Humans have been known to change their original markings over their lifetime. <G> But the names of the owners and their farms were required, there was also a fee. By the way, many farms had names, such as "Butternut Farm" (my grandpa's), "Sunny View Farm" (Great grandpa's), "Back Acres Farm" (Great uncle's - he was a little different), etc. I think this is where the history of registration is, but not sure: http://www.legis.state.wi.us/rsb/code/register/reg544a.pdf Happy Valentines Day Rita "Tina S. Vickery" wrote: > Rita, were the owners recorded with the markings compiled and recorded at > the town, county, state level? > Thanks for giving the history! > > Tina > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RMN" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:52 PM > Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Cattle Brand Mark Registrations > > > I am not aware of branding, at least in farm cattle. It certainly may > > have been done. But cattle in WI were marked in a number of other ways. > > Some farmers made a certain shaped "chip" along the edge of the ear of > > cows, swine and sheep. It was always on the same ear and at the same > > spot on the ear. This was early (as early as the 1770's in Brown County, > > at "La Baye") when there were not many cattle per farmer, unlike the > > large cattle ranches later on out west and south west. The color marking > > of cows and milk oxen were later drawn on the paper outline of each side > > of a calf and sent in to register that animal to the owner. There were > > no photographs then so this was used. These color spots do not change in > > shape, pattern or color (usually black, "red" or brown) during the life > > of the animal. Still later, metal ear clips with the registration > > numbers stamped on them were used. Tatoos were sometimes used on the > > inside lip and sometimes photographs, as early as the early 1900's. > > > > "Tina S. Vickery" wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Tonight, a page was shared with me. It got me to > > > thinking ... You all know that is dangerous, > > > especially given my penchant for cows <VBG> ! > > > > > > but.. does the State of WI have records similar to > > > what this page presents? > > > > > > "During the 19th Century and early 20th Century, many > > > farmers let their cattle graze in unfenced areas. > > > Branding was used to identify the owners of the > > > cattle" > > > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~msissaq2/cattle.html > > > > > > Tina > > > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > > > Celebrate Wisconsin! > > > Visit the Vilas County WIGenWeb Project Pages > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wivilas/ > > > > > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > > Celebrate Wisconsin! > > Visit the Waushara County WIGenWeb Project Pages > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwausha/wsctweb.html > > Visit the Wood County WIGenWeb Project Pages > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwood/ > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > Celebrate Wisconsin! > Visit the Washington County WIGenWeb Project Pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwashin/

LOL, I thought with marriages was udderly I don't know what <g>. Tina ----- Original Message ----- From: "RMN" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Cattle Brand Mark Registrations > I'll have to check on that one. Maybe I should should look under marriages? > :0D > Rita > > "Tina S. Vickery" wrote: > > > Rita, were the owners recorded with the markings compiled and recorded at > > the town, county, state level? > > Thanks for giving the history! > > > > Tina > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "RMN" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:52 PM > > Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Cattle Brand Mark Registrations > > > > > I am not aware of branding, at least in farm cattle. It certainly may > > > have been done. But cattle in WI were marked in a number of other ways. > > > Some farmers made a certain shaped "chip" along the edge of the ear of > > > cows, swine and sheep. It was always on the same ear and at the same > > > spot on the ear. This was early (as early as the 1770's in Brown County, > > > at "La Baye") when there were not many cattle per farmer, unlike the > > > large cattle ranches later on out west and south west. The color marking > > > of cows and milk oxen were later drawn on the paper outline of each side > > > of a calf and sent in to register that animal to the owner. There were > > > no photographs then so this was used. These color spots do not change in > > > shape, pattern or color (usually black, "red" or brown) during the life > > > of the animal. Still later, metal ear clips with the registration > > > numbers stamped on them were used. Tatoos were sometimes used on the > > > inside lip and sometimes photographs, as early as the early 1900's. > > > > > > "Tina S. Vickery" wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > Tonight, a page was shared with me. It got me to > > > > thinking ... You all know that is dangerous, > > > > especially given my penchant for cows <VBG> ! > > > > > > > > but.. does the State of WI have records similar to > > > > what this page presents? > > > > > > > > "During the 19th Century and early 20th Century, many > > > > farmers let their cattle graze in unfenced areas. > > > > Branding was used to identify the owners of the > > > > cattle" > > > > > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~msissaq2/cattle.html > > > > > > > > Tina > > > > > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > Celebrate Wisconsin! > > > > Visit the Vilas County WIGenWeb Project Pages > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wivilas/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > > > Celebrate Wisconsin! > > > Visit the Waushara County WIGenWeb Project Pages > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwausha/wsctweb.html > > > Visit the Wood County WIGenWeb Project Pages > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwood/ > > > > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > > Celebrate Wisconsin! > > Visit the Washington County WIGenWeb Project Pages > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwashin/ > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > Celebrate Wisconsin! > Visit the Waukesha County WIGenWeb Project Pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaukes/indice.html >

I'll have to check on that one. Maybe I should should look under marriages? :0D Rita "Tina S. Vickery" wrote: > Rita, were the owners recorded with the markings compiled and recorded at > the town, county, state level? > Thanks for giving the history! > > Tina > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RMN" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:52 PM > Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Cattle Brand Mark Registrations > > > I am not aware of branding, at least in farm cattle. It certainly may > > have been done. But cattle in WI were marked in a number of other ways. > > Some farmers made a certain shaped "chip" along the edge of the ear of > > cows, swine and sheep. It was always on the same ear and at the same > > spot on the ear. This was early (as early as the 1770's in Brown County, > > at "La Baye") when there were not many cattle per farmer, unlike the > > large cattle ranches later on out west and south west. The color marking > > of cows and milk oxen were later drawn on the paper outline of each side > > of a calf and sent in to register that animal to the owner. There were > > no photographs then so this was used. These color spots do not change in > > shape, pattern or color (usually black, "red" or brown) during the life > > of the animal. Still later, metal ear clips with the registration > > numbers stamped on them were used. Tatoos were sometimes used on the > > inside lip and sometimes photographs, as early as the early 1900's. > > > > "Tina S. Vickery" wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Tonight, a page was shared with me. It got me to > > > thinking ... You all know that is dangerous, > > > especially given my penchant for cows <VBG> ! > > > > > > but.. does the State of WI have records similar to > > > what this page presents? > > > > > > "During the 19th Century and early 20th Century, many > > > farmers let their cattle graze in unfenced areas. > > > Branding was used to identify the owners of the > > > cattle" > > > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~msissaq2/cattle.html > > > > > > Tina > > > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > > > Celebrate Wisconsin! > > > Visit the Vilas County WIGenWeb Project Pages > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wivilas/ > > > > > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > > Celebrate Wisconsin! > > Visit the Waushara County WIGenWeb Project Pages > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwausha/wsctweb.html > > Visit the Wood County WIGenWeb Project Pages > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwood/ > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > Celebrate Wisconsin! > Visit the Washington County WIGenWeb Project Pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwashin/

Added today to the What's New! Happy Valentines Day, all! Tina ----- Original Message ----- From: "RMN" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 5:35 PM Subject: [WIGEN-L] By Special Invitation - Oconto County > You are cordially invited to: > > A Victorian Celebration of Love > VALENTINE POSTCARDS > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wioconto/Valentines/Valentines.htm > > This is a "sneak preview". Other site visitors will have to wait until > Valentines Day. > Rita - Oconto County WIGenWeb Coordinator > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wioconto/ > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > Celebrate Wisconsin! > Visit the Waushara County WIGenWeb Project Pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwausha/wsctweb.html > Visit the Wood County WIGenWeb Project Pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwood/ >

I know Wisconsin did have log marks - we have some of them at our Historical Societyl.. Shelley

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Rita, were the owners recorded with the markings compiled and recorded at the town, county, state level? Thanks for giving the history! Tina ----- Original Message ----- From: "RMN" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Cattle Brand Mark Registrations > I am not aware of branding, at least in farm cattle. It certainly may > have been done. But cattle in WI were marked in a number of other ways. > Some farmers made a certain shaped "chip" along the edge of the ear of > cows, swine and sheep. It was always on the same ear and at the same > spot on the ear. This was early (as early as the 1770's in Brown County, > at "La Baye") when there were not many cattle per farmer, unlike the > large cattle ranches later on out west and south west. The color marking > of cows and milk oxen were later drawn on the paper outline of each side > of a calf and sent in to register that animal to the owner. There were > no photographs then so this was used. These color spots do not change in > shape, pattern or color (usually black, "red" or brown) during the life > of the animal. Still later, metal ear clips with the registration > numbers stamped on them were used. Tatoos were sometimes used on the > inside lip and sometimes photographs, as early as the early 1900's. > > "Tina S. Vickery" wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Tonight, a page was shared with me. It got me to > > thinking ... You all know that is dangerous, > > especially given my penchant for cows <VBG> ! > > > > but.. does the State of WI have records similar to > > what this page presents? > > > > "During the 19th Century and early 20th Century, many > > farmers let their cattle graze in unfenced areas. > > Branding was used to identify the owners of the > > cattle" > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~msissaq2/cattle.html > > > > Tina > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > > Celebrate Wisconsin! > > Visit the Vilas County WIGenWeb Project Pages > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wivilas/ > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > Celebrate Wisconsin! > Visit the Waushara County WIGenWeb Project Pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwausha/wsctweb.html > Visit the Wood County WIGenWeb Project Pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwood/ >

The gentleman that shared the link told me that MS (anyways) has the records within the Circuit Court .. filed with marriages.. (I didn't really want to ponder that <g>). Tina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Cortez" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Cattle Brand Mark Registrations > Well in WI, we had very good cows and they never strayed into other areas! > LOL Seriously, I would think that they would, but, I have never seen > anything like that. > > MI has registered log marks, so I would think that WI had some such thing > for cows and logs. Wonder if you could get that from the WI Department of > Agriculture??? > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tina S. Vickery" <[email protected]> > > > > Hi all, > > > > Tonight, a page was shared with me. It got me to > > thinking ... You all know that is dangerous, > > especially given my penchant for cows <VBG> ! > > > > but.. does the State of WI have records similar to > > what this page presents? > > > > "During the 19th Century and early 20th Century, many > > farmers let their cattle graze in unfenced areas. > > Branding was used to identify the owners of the > > cattle" > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~msissaq2/cattle.html > > > > Tina > > > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > > Celebrate Wisconsin! > > Visit the Vilas County WIGenWeb Project Pages > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wivilas/ > > > > > > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > Celebrate Wisconsin! > Visit the Washburn County WIGenWeb Project Pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwashbu/ >

Well in WI, we had very good cows and they never strayed into other areas! LOL Seriously, I would think that they would, but, I have never seen anything like that. MI has registered log marks, so I would think that WI had some such thing for cows and logs. Wonder if you could get that from the WI Department of Agriculture??? Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina S. Vickery" <[email protected]> > Hi all, > > Tonight, a page was shared with me. It got me to > thinking ... You all know that is dangerous, > especially given my penchant for cows <VBG> ! > > but.. does the State of WI have records similar to > what this page presents? > > "During the 19th Century and early 20th Century, many > farmers let their cattle graze in unfenced areas. > Branding was used to identify the owners of the > cattle" > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~msissaq2/cattle.html > > Tina > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > Celebrate Wisconsin! > Visit the Vilas County WIGenWeb Project Pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wivilas/ > >

I am not aware of branding, at least in farm cattle. It certainly may have been done. But cattle in WI were marked in a number of other ways. Some farmers made a certain shaped "chip" along the edge of the ear of cows, swine and sheep. It was always on the same ear and at the same spot on the ear. This was early (as early as the 1770's in Brown County, at "La Baye") when there were not many cattle per farmer, unlike the large cattle ranches later on out west and south west. The color marking of cows and milk oxen were later drawn on the paper outline of each side of a calf and sent in to register that animal to the owner. There were no photographs then so this was used. These color spots do not change in shape, pattern or color (usually black, "red" or brown) during the life of the animal. Still later, metal ear clips with the registration numbers stamped on them were used. Tatoos were sometimes used on the inside lip and sometimes photographs, as early as the early 1900's. "Tina S. Vickery" wrote: > Hi all, > > Tonight, a page was shared with me. It got me to > thinking ... You all know that is dangerous, > especially given my penchant for cows <VBG> ! > > but.. does the State of WI have records similar to > what this page presents? > > "During the 19th Century and early 20th Century, many > farmers let their cattle graze in unfenced areas. > Branding was used to identify the owners of the > cattle" > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~msissaq2/cattle.html > > Tina > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > Celebrate Wisconsin! > Visit the Vilas County WIGenWeb Project Pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wivilas/

Hi all, Tonight, a page was shared with me. It got me to thinking ... You all know that is dangerous, especially given my penchant for cows <VBG> ! but.. does the State of WI have records similar to what this page presents? "During the 19th Century and early 20th Century, many farmers let their cattle graze in unfenced areas. Branding was used to identify the owners of the cattle" http://www.rootsweb.com/~msissaq2/cattle.html Tina

Hi, After having a rough few weeks, I'm finally getting back to some long neglected tasks... only to find this in today's email: <<I might have already asked this or something but um like I need all the information on the all the people on the shawano obituaries could you help?>> OK, I replied nicely that if they needed a couple I might be able to help... they replied that they would like them all -- 6000+ I guess... I explained what MESSAGE BOARDS are for... If I didn't know better, I'd think this was one of my kids trying to make me smile today!!! LOL... Last week, it was a familiar pain in the rump roast, wanting me to correct all the old censuses so his families could be found... including correcting the 1880 LDS online census... Yep, co-cordinators = superheros! Anne aka miracle worker & doer of the impossible...not!

In a message dated 2/12/2004 10:55:38 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: It was suggested that I scan for SPYWARE - there were > 61 spys on my computer - and most of them were active. > I got the SPYWARE NUKER Hi.. how did you scan for the spyware? do you mean, do a search for them? or ? Thanks Brendakwm [email protected]

If it makes you feel better, I had to de-install Zone Alarm. If it was running, I had no sound on my computer and it was really a pain in the rear. I'm pretty pleased with Ad Aware and Spybot. I do tend to run both though, and at any given time one picks up more than the other one did. I downloaded the Google browser bar, and the new one there zaps popups, but you can easily activate them for certain websites. That's real nice. I've had problems with some of the commercial popup zappers because you need to utilize the popups for some websites (like my bank's.) Kelly > -----Original Message----- > From: MAK - Transcriber [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 12:52 AM > > It was suggested that I scan for SPYWARE - there were > 61 spys on my computer - and most of them were active. > I got the SPYWARE NUKER > http://www.spywarenuker.com/overture.php and a POP-UP > NUKER - both tonight - they were not free but seemed > to get rid of the problem - of course after I did that > I found ZoneAlarm (below) - rats.... it does all the > above does and more...

MAK, How do you find out the price for SpywareNuker? I visited but can't find out if it is free or free for a limited time? I've heard it is good. Rita MAK - Transcriber wrote: > Hi, I just wanted to send a quick email and warn > people about SPYing on the internet - My computer kept > going slower and slower and bogged down, and sometimes > would just FREEZE up - well, I didn't know why - > thought I was doing something wrong. > > It was suggested that I scan for SPYWARE - there were > 61 spys on my computer - and most of them were active. > I got the SPYWARE NUKER > http://www.spywarenuker.com/overture.php and a POP-UP > NUKER - both tonight - they were not free but seemed > to get rid of the problem - of course after I did that > I found ZoneAlarm (below) - rats.... it does all the > above does and more... > > I signed up for a Free 45 day trial with ZoneAlarm - > Perhaps now I won't get so much internet garbage > coming in and out of my life.... IF it is doing a > great job at the end of the trial - then I will > purchase it. WOW, just in the last 5 minutes since I > installed, it stopped 3 intruders - that is wild. > http://www.zonelabs.com/ > > Thought I would share with you... If you know which > product(s) are better, please send me an email... > > R/S MAK > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > Celebrate Wisconsin! > Visit the Vilas County WIGenWeb Project Pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wivilas/

Hi all, I use Spybot, which is free. http://www.safer-networking.org/ Also, Fond du Lac county has a computer genealogist group, and we actually have a computer tech who attends our metings as co-speaker. He recommended spybot, a free software program to check for spyware, which should be used monthly. He also recommended using Mozilla (or anything except Microsoft) for email. (viruses are written to take advantage of 'holes' in Microsoft programming, so they don't work in Mozilla or other email software). Our computer tech has some wonderful little tips and tricks, and we are so very lucky that he attends our meetings. He is worth his weight in gold!!!!! He is NOT interested in genealogy, but since a lot of his customers are genealogists, we prevailed upon him to attend our meetings (we provide transportation for him) After our meetings, I usually send notes to the Fond du Lac mailing list, when he has a gem of good computer advice, but I debate about doing so, since it is not genealogically related. tracy reinhardt Fond du Lac and Winnebago GenWeb

HEADS UP - MULTIPLE EMAIL POSTING - Tirenia DeSmedt <[email protected]> has sent the same query to 96 Message Boards in Wisconsin asking for info on RUIDL or DeSmedts. I found it on one of my boards and did a quick on-line search: The only WI counties I found RUIDL in were Jefferson and Milwaukee. (my reply posted in Jefferson) The only WI counties I found DeSmedt in were Milwaukee and Sheboygan. (My reply posted in Milwaukee) I have deleted her emails off the Wood, Portage, and Monroe Message Boards. If you your county Message Board - and actively respond to queries - you might want to keep that in mind before you do the research like I did. Fortunately, it was a quick search - (grin), and I didn't want to just delete the info - so I posted it to the appropriate Message Boards (Jefferson, and Milwaukee).... R/S MAK __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html