I think it's just a fluke. I heard from Joan and she seems fine in her e-mail to me. Don't know what to tellya, other than she is alive, her mom and hubby are fine as was she this morning. Debie P.S. What does the bounce say, that should tell you why it's bouncing. At 09:30 PM 3/1/2004, you wrote: >Hey in Wisconsin - does anyone know what's up with >Joan M Benner???? I have known her for a zillion >years - and not once has her email ever bounced - SO >I am trying not to think the worst. > >Is the server down in Wisconsin maybe due to snow??? >Or did something happen to her mother, husband, family >???? > >I am pretty worried - she lives in Wisconsin Rapids >(my hometown) - so if anything bad has happened let me >know - email me P4 at <[email protected]> > >thanks. R/S MAK > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster >http://search.yahoo.com > > >==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== >Celebrate Wisconsin! >Visit the Waushara County WIGenWeb Project Pages >http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwausha/wsctweb.html >Visit the Wood County WIGenWeb Project Pages >http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwood/

Hey in Wisconsin - does anyone know what's up with Joan M Benner???? I have known her for a zillion years - and not once has her email ever bounced - SO I am trying not to think the worst. Is the server down in Wisconsin maybe due to snow??? Or did something happen to her mother, husband, family ???? I am pretty worried - she lives in Wisconsin Rapids (my hometown) - so if anything bad has happened let me know - email me P4 at <[email protected]> thanks. R/S MAK __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com

Tim - Awesome - Bet you are doing some hardcore reading - My only question is, did he give permission to go on-line with it, and if so, when will you have it up (ha ha ha - ducking and bobbing) R/S MAK --- Tim Stowell <[email protected]> wrote: > This weekend a gentleman in Janesville sent me a 600 > page plus book series > he put together of articles his great-grandmother > wrote for a local paper > in Crawford County covering the years 1915-1944. ===== MAKTranscriber - http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwood http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiportag http://www.rootsweb.com/~wimonroe __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com

This weekend a gentleman in Janesville sent me a 600 page plus book series he put together of articles his great-grandmother wrote for a local paper in Crawford County covering the years 1915-1944. He said he sent the copy to another researcher and myself for the work we'd put into providing data for Crawford County researchers. This whole series covers the town of Ferryville. I was flabbergasted to say the least. Tim

The 1850 Milwaukee County, Wisconsin (Oak Creed Township) Federal Census is online in the WIGenWeb Archives. Thanks to John F. Scheiding! ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/wi/milwaukee/census/1850/ The 1900 Shawano County, Wisconsin (ED 159) Federal Census is online in the WIGenWeb Archives. Thanks to Lisa Gerving! ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/wi/shawano/census/1900/ed159/ The 1870 Winnebago County, Wisconsin (Vinland Township) Federal Census and the 1870 Winnebago County, Wisconsin (Eureka and Wolf River) Federal Census are online in the WIGenWeb Archives. Thanks to contributor Kathy Grace! ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/wi/winnebago/census/1870/ Clark County has the addition of three new bios. Thanks to contributor Jan Cortez! http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiclark/biographies.html Clark County also has the addition of 14 obituaries from Clark County newspapers Thanks to contributor Joan Benner! http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiclark/obituary.html Tina

Michelle - Nice sites - R/S MAK --- Michelle Laycock <[email protected]> wrote: > The Kenosha WI GenWeb site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wikenosh/kenoindex.htm > has been re-designed. > > The Kenosha County Genealogical Society Web Site at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wikenosh/gensoc.htm > has also been re-designed. > ===== MAKTranscriber - http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwood http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiportag http://www.rootsweb.com/~wimonroe __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools

They look wonderful! Terrific job! Tina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Laycock" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 10:37 PM Subject: [WIGEN-L] Ken WIGenWeb Project and Kenosha Genealogy Soc. RE-DESIGNED > The Kenosha WI GenWeb site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wikenosh/kenoindex.htm > has been re-designed. > > The Kenosha County Genealogical Society Web Site at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wikenosh/gensoc.htm > has also been re-designed. > > The URL's are the same, - the web sites have changed. > > I am in the process of re-designing Racine and > Walworth sister sites also. > > I am also in the process of building a website for the > Caledonia (Racine > Co.) historical society. > > Michelle Laycock > Kenosha/Racine WIGenWeb > Walworth ALHN > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > Celebrate Wisconsin! > Visit the Waukesha County WIGenWeb Project Pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaukes/indice.html >

Wow, We are busy these days aren't we. Good luck in all your endeavors, I know they will benefit many. Debbie Barrett Coordinator Pierce County WIGenWeb Project www.rootsweb.com/~wipierce/ -----Original Message----- From: Michelle Laycock [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 7:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [WIGEN-L] Ken WIGenWeb Project and Kenosha Genealogy Soc. RE-DESIGNED The Kenosha WI GenWeb site http://www.rootsweb.com/~wikenosh/kenoindex.htm has been re-designed. The Kenosha County Genealogical Society Web Site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~wikenosh/gensoc.htm has also been re-designed. The URL's are the same, - the web sites have changed. I am in the process of re-designing Racine and Walworth sister sites also. I am also in the process of building a website for the Caledonia (Racine Co.) historical society. Michelle Laycock Kenosha/Racine WIGenWeb Walworth ALHN ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== Celebrate Wisconsin! Visit the Waukesha County WIGenWeb Project Pages http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaukes/indice.html

The Kenosha WI GenWeb site http://www.rootsweb.com/~wikenosh/kenoindex.htm has been re-designed. The Kenosha County Genealogical Society Web Site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~wikenosh/gensoc.htm has also been re-designed. The URL's are the same, - the web sites have changed. I am in the process of re-designing Racine and Walworth sister sites also. I am also in the process of building a website for the Caledonia (Racine Co.) historical society. Michelle Laycock Kenosha/Racine WIGenWeb Walworth ALHN

Tina, I think that Joan has tried to write to the List Administrator, with no response, I'm assuming, at this point. Actually she has made a very valid point here. We all realize that vital records and out of copyright material is free for the taking, but, in this case, it was out and out copied, down to the spelling errors. 20 people can all have the same newspaper or book, but, if you have it, type it up, and present it to a list or website, and maybe I have the same thing, it doesn't give me the right to go and copy your work. I must type it up for myself in order for it to be my work. I think that in this case, it is a very blatant copyright violation, when one has just copied the material. It does disturb me that RW would think that it was okay to do this. In other words, I could go and copy and paste the portions of the Clark County site into my browser and upload it to my site, as long as its material that is out of copyright. Actually this thought does scare me. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina S. Vickery" <[email protected]> > Joan and all, > My best advice is to work with the List Administrator, and > or Rootsweb to alleviate your concerns. > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html

FYI. Tina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Swafford" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 2:56 PM Subject: [USGW-Discuss] Bylaws Revision -- News > (**Please forward to all appropriate project lists**) > > The Bylaws Revision Committee (BRC) is starting the final review process of > first draft proposals. Members are encouraged to respond with comments or > suggestions related to the following articles. > > > ARTICLE VII. ADVISORY BOARD PROCEDURES > Section 1. A majority of the current voting members of the Advisory Board > shall constitute a quorum. > Section 2. The vote requirements for motions to be adopted shall be in > accordance with the parliamentary authority, except as specified in these > bylaws. In all cases determination shall be made by the legal votes cast. > Section 3. The Advisory Board shall utilize "roll call votes". Members are > responsible for expeditiously responding to vote calls. The duration of > voting time for motions shall be a minimum of 24 hours. The maximum duration > shall be at the discretion of the presiding officer, except that the voting > period shall not exceed 72 hours. > Section 4. Voting records of the Advisory Board shall be posted publicly. > > ARTICLE VIII. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS > Section 1. All USGenWeb web sites shall display an official USGenWeb logo > prominently, on the home or index page, in such a way that the entire image > is visible without scrolling down on a standard browser screen. The > USGenWeb logo used shall be at least 100 pixels by 100 pixels in size. > Section 2. All USGenWeb web sites shall display the following disclaimer on > the home or index page: "Links to external web sites are being provided as a > convenience and for informational purposes only; they do not constitute an > endorsement or approval of any of the products, services or opinions > contained in any external web site." > Section 3. Solicitation of funds on a USGenWeb affiliated web site is > prohibited. It is permissible, however, to provide a link to a non-USGenWeb > affiliated personal web site where genealogical services or materials are > offered for sale. It is also permissible to acknowledge any entities who > host or provide server space at no cost and to include a link to that > entity's web site. If a coordinator lists materials or services for sale or > hire by third parties, such as genealogical societies or commercial > interests, the home or index page may include a link to the listing, but the > materials and services themselves may not be listed on the home or index > page. Any such listing of materials or services for sale or hire by third > parties should include a disclaimer on the listing page saying that The > USGenWeb Project and the site coordinator make no warrantee as to the > contents or accuracy of any of the materials for sale by these third > parties, nor the expertise of any professional researchers listed. > > > All revision drafts may be viewed at http://home.mchsi.com/~sagitta56/ > > Roger Swafford > BRC - Chairman > > > ==== USGENWEB-DISCUSS Mailing List ==== > --Celebrate the USGenWeb Project! -- Can you identify? > Rocks & Narrows, Concord [there are 3 Concords in PA] > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/mystery/postcards/roxnrw.jpg > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

The mailing list administrator of the WI Clark County mailing list is not the County Coordinator of the WIGenWeb Clark County site. Many of you do indeed host your county mailing lists hosted by Rootsweb, but your role as list admin does not fall under the auspices of the WIGenWeb Project. Tina > > From: [email protected] > Date: 2004/02/20 Fri AM 08:42:32 EST > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] rootsweb/ancestry concern > > I can understand your concern, Joan, but it is up to the county coordinator > to determine content, as far as I know. If she wants to claim your > contribution as hers, I don't think there is anything you can do about it, other than > refuse to help out Clark County any more, and notify the rest of us what > happened. I know I for one will back you up, and not try to help that county. > > Shelley > Marathon and Lincoln > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > Celebrate Wisconsin! > Visit the Waupaca County WIGenWeb Project Pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaupac/index.htm > >

Currently I am maintaining the Clark County site. http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiclark/ It is available for adoption Tina > > From: [email protected] > Date: 2004/02/20 Fri AM 10:37:05 EST > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] rootsweb/ancestry concern > > Joan is a personal friend of mine, and I know she goes way out of her way to > help others. I have donated in the past to Clark County, with information > that helps researchers in that county. However, the past few years, there have > been multiple problems - I am not sure if it even has a coordinator! > Shelley > > > In a message dated 2/20/2004 8:10:24 AM Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > Shelley - > > I think this is the wrong attitude to take. Please let us all remember > that we are here to help the researchers. Refusing to assist Clark > County if she has any problems - fine. But refusing to donate > information to the list will only hurt the researcher, not the coordinator. > > On the main issue, I agree that her theft was a wrong - she should have > cited Joan as the contributor. > > Lori in Rock > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > Celebrate Wisconsin! > Visit the Washington County WIGenWeb Project Pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwashin/ > >

Joan and all, It is unfortunate that you were not credited with your transcription of your contribution to the Clark County Message Board. Marcia is correct that I, as WIGenWeb Project State Coordinator, do not have any direct authority, for lack of a better word, of the county mailing lists hosted by Rootsweb. They do not come under the auspies of the USGenWeb/WIGenWeb Project, even if as County Coordinator, you are the Admin. My best advice is to work with the List Administrator, and or Rootsweb to alleviate your concerns. http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html As for your concerns about the material we all place on WIGenWeb Project pages, It is the policy of the USGenWeb Project that the copyright of the material presented remains with the contributor. To illustrate this point, the following copyright statement appears on pages I put on- line. I offer it as an example of what I feel portarys a fair statement of the work we and our contributors all do. "Copyright Notice: All files on this site are copyrighted by their creator and/or contributor. They may be linked to but may not be reproduced on another site without specific permission from Tina Vickery [[email protected]] and/or their contributor. Although public information is not in and of itself copyrightable, the format in which they are presented, the notes and comments, etc., are. It is however, quite permissable to print or save the files to a personal computer for personal use ONLY." Tina

Hi Joan, As a mailing list and message board administrator, my first thought would be that something happened and the message did not post like it should have, and by default, the message went back to the list or message board administrator. I don't think there is anyway to block a message going thru unless you would have some sort of block on the posters email. <puzzled> Is it possible that she/he just sent the message on to the list? I have done that on many occasions, but, do add a note that whatever the query was, listers should respond back to the researcher. Lately, I have taken to writing the poster, as when I do that people seem to respond to me instead of the researcher. Argh! Guess, I'm thinking that it could be very innocent, but, I would have thought this person would have written you back. Then again maybe they aren't online. If, in fact, this person some how did this on purpose, I would consider it very tacky and wouldn't post to the message boards any more. I'd just send the info on to the Clark County Coordinator, which is Tina right now, as the site is up for adoption. Just my thoughts on the subject, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "joan benner" <[email protected]> > Dear Fellow CC's, > > I need some advice, and maybe some encouragement. > > Last night I typed an obit for a Clark Co Civil War veteran from a 1911 > newspaper onto the Clark Co messageboard. Nothing unusual there, I like to > help surrounding counties' boards and cc's as you all know. This morning I > was alerted that the Clark Co mailing list administrator had seen fit to > block my post from the automatic relay to the mailing list but had instead > copied and pasted my contribution into a mailing list message as though she > herself had typed it. (Complete with my typos, and if you would like a copy > of the mailing list message just contact me) > > I've been taught it is dishonest to claim someone else's work as your own > and it is right to give credit where it is due. So I wrote to the mailing > list admin and rootsweb help desk about the apparent 'oversight'. The Clark > Co mailing list moderator has not responded to my message sent last night. > I asked to have this 'oversight' corrected with another message to the > mailing list listing myself as the original contributor or that the item be > deleted from the mailing list archives. > > I also wrote to rootsweb's help desk with my concerns and asked how to > avoid this problem in the future. The response from rootsweb has me > wondering if I, and all of us, are maybe being taken advantage of and > played as fools. Here is the response: > > "The obit was published in 1911, so is now public domain. It can be > appropriated by anyone and attribution is not required. Discovery does not > entitle you > or anyone to ownership (copyright)." > > Rootsweb thus far refuses to become involved in correcting this "mistake" > of the mailing list moderator not naming the original contributor. The tone > of the messages from helpdesk have not been friendly or helpful. So far I > have been told about copyright law and they suggest I ask to have the Moody > obit deleted form the Clark Co messageboard...which would conveniently > remove evidence that I had been the original contributor. > > I asked if this copyright/public domain opinion meant > rootsweb/ancestry/myfamily.com (whomever!) could come along and take what > is on our websites and messageboards. Note that I have no objection if > Sally Smith finds Grandpa's obit but I do have a problem with others > harvesting our work for their own financial gain now or down the road. No > one at the helpdesk has addressed my questions about the > ownership/copyright of what we have worked and paid to compile on our > GenWeb sites. Now I understand that USGenWeb is supposedly independent, yet > somewhat dependent of rootsweb. But if rootsweb says if the item is in > public domain, "it can be appropriated by anyone" just where does that > leave all of us volunteer coordinators who have done the work and paid for > computers, books, cd's, photocopies, etc.? > > To me the silence on this question says more than words can, and it sounds > as though the only copyright we have is the arrangement of the information > on our websites, graphics, etc; the information itself is "free for the > taking." Suggestions and comments are welcome whether sent privately or to > the list. > > Thanks all, > > > Joan > Adams and Marquette CC's > > > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== > Celebrate Wisconsin! > Visit the Waushara County WIGenWeb Project Pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwausha/wsctweb.html > Visit the Wood County WIGenWeb Project Pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwood/ > >

Joan is a personal friend of mine, and I know she goes way out of her way to help others. I have donated in the past to Clark County, with information that helps researchers in that county. However, the past few years, there have been multiple problems - I am not sure if it even has a coordinator! Shelley In a message dated 2/20/2004 8:10:24 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Shelley - I think this is the wrong attitude to take. Please let us all remember that we are here to help the researchers. Refusing to assist Clark County if she has any problems - fine. But refusing to donate information to the list will only hurt the researcher, not the coordinator. On the main issue, I agree that her theft was a wrong - she should have cited Joan as the contributor. Lori in Rock

My thoughts: Isn't it still possible that some mailing lists only allow subscribers to post, so that non-subscribers have to go through the list admin? And it could just be possible that the list admin, neglected to give credit to the donation, only by oversight? Just wondering. tracy reinhardt Fond du Lac and Winnebago GenWeb

I can understand your concern, Joan, but it is up to the county coordinator to determine content, as far as I know. If she wants to claim your contribution as hers, I don't think there is anything you can do about it, other than refuse to help out Clark County any more, and notify the rest of us what happened. I know I for one will back you up, and not try to help that county. Shelley Marathon and Lincoln

Shelley - I think this is the wrong attitude to take. Please let us all remember that we are here to help the researchers. Refusing to assist Clark County if she has any problems - fine. But refusing to donate information to the list will only hurt the researcher, not the coordinator. On the main issue, I agree that her theft was a wrong - she should have cited Joan as the contributor. Lori in Rock [email protected] wrote: >I can understand your concern, Joan, but it is up to the county coordinator >to determine content, as far as I know. If she wants to claim your >contribution as hers, I don't think there is anything you can do about it, other than >refuse to help out Clark County any more, and notify the rest of us what >happened. I know I for one will back you up, and not try to help that county. > >Shelley >Marathon and Lincoln > > >==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== >Celebrate Wisconsin! >Visit the Waupaca County WIGenWeb Project Pages >http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaupac/index.htm > > > > >

Hi Joan, Nice to see you writing to the list again. Sorry to see it is under such circumstances. After reading your letter, it seems to me that you have had problems with the mailing list admin for Clark county in the past, haven't you? If not, please forgive my memory. Personally I think Tina should step in and say something about this, based on the trouble I believe you have had in the past with this person. If the person is refusing to reply to you and work this out in private and is doing such things, perhaps Tina could find out what her problem is with you and why she does this. Just my thoughts and I hope Tina will step in and assist you with this, Hopefully you can get some form of resolve to this soon, Good Luck, Debie Blindauer Calumet & Sheboygan Counties